Nu-/pol/ will disagree with this.
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>>71697075
He was probably a Jew
>>71697075
If the government defines the people's rights, then how can they violate them? What's more, if they're any good at it, the people wouldn't know. It's not like government officials tell the public when they commit crimes.
>>71697075
No.
>>71697075
It's true that /pol/ has shifted from libertarianism to nationalism, but I think most here still agree with the right to revolt. It's the strongest justification of our 2nd amendment.
>>71697075
>Nu-/pol/
Nu-males and sjw will want the power to infringe upon other peoples rights. They trully believe that the ends outweigh the means because in the end everthing will work out for the best.
I guess we can take the french revolution as an example of this.
Lafayette was basically a slightly more moderate Thomas Jefferson.
Whether /pol/ is becoming more nationalistic. It is only to protect ourselves from outsiders/foreigners/merchants/bankers/etc.
Secession is something entirely different, and is not in conflict with "patriotism".
>>71697197
The government does not define the people's right familam. The government exists to protect the people's rights to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That is the basis to the Constitution, and why it is next to impossible to change the original bill of rights.
>see >>71697075 for the most concise reasoning behind the 2nd Amendment
>>71697075
>mfw ppl are actually answering and not just meme posting
>>71697718
You have no idea what you are talking about.
>>71697197
>government denies rights
>not bestowed by their creator
Nigger (You)
>>71697894
Yes he does. What the fuck are you talking about?
>>71697943
Rights are inalienable, but that doesn't preclude them from being violated. I believe that people in China have the same basic human rights as any American, yet their government there restricts the citizenry's access to them.
>>71697949
You and him are repeating a myth, which has never actually existed in reality.
Governments exist to further the interests of the government. If you think otherwise, you're a fucking brainwashed idiot.
Before stupid people open their mouths. Please read Mikhail Bakunin: Theory of the State. And then Lysander Spooner: No Treason.
http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/Anarchist_Archives/bakunin/rousseau.html
http://praxeology.net/LS-NT-6.htm
"The existence of one sovereign, exclusionary State necessarily supposes the existence and, if need be, provokes the formation of other such States, since it is quite natural that individuals who find themselves outside it and are threatened by it in their existence and in their liberty, should, in their turn, associate themselves against it. We thus have humanity divided into an indefinite number of foreign states, all hostile and threatened by each other. There is no common right, no social contract of any kind between them; otherwise they would cease to be independent states and become the federated members of one great state. But unless this great state were to embrace all of humanity, it would be confronted with other great states, each federated within, each maintaining the same posture of inevitable hostility. War would still remain the supreme law, an unavoidable condition of human survival.
Every state, federated or not, would therefore seek to become the most powerful. It must devour lest it be devoured, conquer lest it be conquered, enslave lest it be enslaved, since two powers, similar and yet alien to each other, could not coexist without mutual destruction."
>>71697075
>Nu-/pol/ will disagree
>giving a shit what newfags on /pol/ think
>>71698412
what was the point of quoting that particular bit of hogwash?
>>71697075
Not really. If anyone tries to take guns away for real in the US I'll be one of the first people who attempts to give the politicians trying to legislate it some free bullets.
>>71698999
My point is, all nations must at all times do what is in the national interest. If they didn't, they would cease to be nations.
As a general rule, the interest of all nations, is economic growth. Which then produces tax-revenue, and money to develop technology, and pay for weapons and armies.
The idea that the government exists to guarantee your freedom or your rights is downright delusional. Wars aren't won with freedom or rights. They're won with guns, tanks, planes, and bombs.
>>71699599
>cont...
Or in summary, "Every state, federated or not, would therefore seek to become the most powerful. It must devour lest it be devoured, conquer lest it be conquered, enslave lest it be enslaved."
Do you have any fucking clue what imperialism is?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neocolonialism
>>71697157
>Jews insinuating resistance to authority
Good joke, Chaim.
>>71697075
It's a cute quote, but it's ultimately meaningless. If you don't like the current government then it is oppressing you and violating your rights. If you support or are the government then they did nothing wrong and the people wanting to overthrow them are terrorists and traitors. Who was in the right is ultimately determined by the legal system which means the state decides.
