Is there anything more degenerate then Nihilism?
>>71695775
i dont think im a nihilist but not giving a fuck about anything is the only thing that keeps me from tearing shit up all around me
>>71695775
Atheism, maybe?
Just out of curiosity, what are the counter arguments to nihilism?
Just because nothing matters and spooks like "morals" don't exist doesn't mean we can't make our own judgements
I know my ideas of good and evil are fantasies, but I'll still uphold them for my own sake
>>71696031
atheism is the first stepping stone to nihilism.
>>71696068
>spooks
this failed meme was always shit.
>>71696113
Yeah, but it's a lot more evangelical.
>>71696193
I'm sure you think so
>>71696065
counter arguments to nihilism don't really exist
>>71695775
Not at all, just another philosophical chain.
>>71696065
Nature, like Nietzsche and ccia
>>71696263
>I'm sure you think so
Yes. Because I just told you I did, Sherlock.
>>71696065
I'm not some fancy New Yorker with city values but I would say irs something similar to living by virtue ethics but instead of determining the standards of your life you justify the purpose of your life because you are capable of that elevated purpose
>>71696366
Affirmative
>>71696343
Not familiar with those.. Care to explain a little more?
>>71696568
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRj8n4a7kpU
>>71696402
Hmm, sounds bull shitty. I hate fancy new Yorkers
Nihilism is the current thing that everyone is but everyone also thinks they are unique for being.
It's possibly the laziest and easiest ideology possible.
t. nihilist
>>71695775
>more degenerate then
People who lack a 5th grade education.
>>71696264
Heh.
Hehehe.
>tfw my conscious doesn't want to be a nihilist but deep down I totally am one
>>71697643
>confusing two homophones
>lacking 5th grade education
Aussies are supposed to be good at shitposting
>>71697782
>posting about homophones
Fucking fag enablers make me sick
>>71695775
You mad that it's the ultimate red pill? Keep squabbling over things of no consequence.
>>71697782
I'm not wrong though.
>>71695775
Yes
>>71695775
Say what you will about the tenants of National Socialism, at least it's an ethos.
>>71697700
There's no harm in preoccupying yourself with self-admitted delusions while you wait for death.
What do you think God does all day?
>>71697700
More like you wish you were a true nihilist, but human weakness and biological imperatives prevent you from being one.
>>71696065
Disease.
More specifically, impending death.
You'll never see a nihilist shrivel up and seek a higher power much faster than that.
>>71698122
self-admitted delusions created the foundation for philosophy and the art of science.
"God does all day" - If God created time, I doubt there would be talk shows on the tablet.
What about modern day artefacts? Bracelets, vouchers, get one buy one. Brands attempting to establish a reciprocical consumer cycle by gaining monopolistic tendencies and reaching the economics of scale. (Leverage)
A "God" controls an arena. He creates light, he opens the case. He creates darkness, he closes the case.
>>71698291
How is an innate will to survive weakness? Giving in to suicide at the first sign of struggle is true weakness, untermensch.
>>71696065
The best that existentialist philosophers could come up with is "freedom is good, and there is truth in a self determined life lived freely".
>>71699222
Camus is a retard. All existentialists who try to bullshit meaning into a meaningless existence (a life without God) are retards. It is an impossible task.
you struggle, you will never be truly satisfied, and then you die, pointlessly. Learn to love it or kill yourself. That is the conclusion they should have all reached (and is what Nietzsche reached, the glorious bastard).
Catholicism.
What's wrong with not giving a fuck? It's not like anything will magically get better if you do.
Best way of life is living one day at a time, only caring about what you're going to do in the next hour or so. There's no need to complicate life.
>>71699654
>hedonism
Might as well just kill yourself if you are not going to use your life for anything important.
>>71699486
holy shit go straight back to rebbit you 14 year old moron.
>>71699654
>>71699795
Do you want me to find the number for the suicide hotline, sir?
>>71699795
I just want to enjoy myself and minimize pain. Why die when there are things I enjoy? Both material and relational.
>>71699654
>this is what non-american's actually believe
let a sweet tear roll down your cheek while you look out the rain covered window and ponder existence. some of us want to be winners.
>>71697669
Well? Prove him wrong if you disagree
>>71696065
Despite their lofty claims it is both life denying and in denial of nature. It is also incoherent both as an ethical and as a moral philosophy.
Total jewish nonsense.
>>71696065
If you ever meet someone who claims to be a nihilist ask them why they are up out of bed wearing clothes
real nihilism is an apathy to existence
>>71699795
>anything important
Do you honestly believe anything you do will really matter?
Isn't the most important thing in life just to be happy while you can? Before you get old and sick and die of some painful disease alone and sad?
I stay in shape, eat healthy, do what I can do avoid getting shit on by some shitty disease.
Do you really think wasting your life for some made up degrees or used up old vagoo is going to change anything?
Y'all faggots need to read Kierkegaard.
Man's relation to God is what gives this mortal life it's meaning.
so quirky xD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--RB1ZmF_B4
>>71700274
>claims to be a nihilist
>she explains her personal philosophy
>it's just hedonism
She gets an F
>>71700054
Because that will leave you hollow. Better to set big goals and attempt to achieve them. It is much more fulfilling. If the pointlessness of life has made you sad, you are looking at it wrong. It is liberating. Nothing matters, so we can achieve anything.
>>71695775
>be degenerate, die
>be non-degenerate, die anyway
we're all equal in death
>>71700154
I say important, I really mean fun. Why not try to take over the Earth or become a billionaire? If you only get one life, do something worth doing mate. Just doing drugs and dying is stupid and you will regret it. Hedonism is hollow. Roll the dice even if the odds are one in a billion, if nothing matters anyway.
>>71696343
>Nature
there's nothing more nihilist than nature itself: be born, live, die. like everything in the universe. its the circle of life. death is inevitable
>>71700579
>>71700239
Just believing in God is a cop out. I believe in God too, but we are pretending he does not exist to make the discussion interesting.
>>71696402
your purpose in life is to die
>>71699486
your life us as meaningless as everyone else's, whether you believe in god or not
>>71700711
youll still die
>>71700781
No, it is to pass on your genes to the best of your ability. Sentience allowed us to see past our purpose as self-replicating, organic machines and now we are unsatisfied with that answer because we see no purpose to passing on genes.
The problem is life cannot have meaning. It is physically impossible. Try to imagine a purpose that would satisfy you? It is truly impossible.
>>71700863
If you truly believed what you say than you would have already killed yourself, leaf.
>>71700670
>Just doing drugs and dying is stupid and you will regret it
I'm not doing drugs at all though. My life is good enough to not having to use drugs just to cope.
I wouldn't call myself a hedonist. Then I would be eating pizza every day and drinking myself to death. I value being alive, I just don't see the point in having to achieve anything in life.
>>71700941
>No, it is to pass on your genes to the best of your ability.
and to die, then your offspring will die, and your offspring's offspring will die, until this planet, has run its course and all life dies. thats what nihilism is, just the cold hard truth. you can push back the inevitable as long as you can, but it is still inevitable. once you realize that and come to term with it, youre free to make your own decisions as to how you want to spend your limited time.
>>71700941
>Gen 6:6 It repented him that he had made man on the earth
>>71700983
i dont have to believe it, because its the truth. just because im going to die, doesnt mean i cant enjoy the time i have left.
>>71700781
>>71700941
Your purpose is what causes the transcendence of life to death. How your purpose is inflicted by the weight of your consciousness. The deeds done and the individuals one affiliated oneself with creates, not only the faith of one's deathbed, but also the seeds one plant by -establishing a family and participating in the communitas.
Devote
Emancipate
Acquire
Tranquillize
Hoes and bitches, I spelled death
>>71701013
There is not a point. It order to cope with that fact, it is best to set long term goals and define that as a make-shift purpose. If you succeed the rush of dopamine will be enough to satisfy you for quite a while, but if you fail you can take comfort in knowing that your life does not matter. It is a win win, really.
>>71701340
>Your purpose is
no. thats what you decide to do with your limited time on earth. your ultimate purpose is to die
>>71695775
I'm not sure if it was something written here but i don't think the average person have descended to full nihilism, it has a lot implications. The only one i can think will that guy from it always sunny, Frank.
>>71696065
Objectivism.
Wasn't the whole point of nihilism that nothing mattered and it's up to humans to create their own purpose
>>71701571
What is your definition of purpose? Because ours might be incoherent
>>71701811
ya but creating purpose is just bullshit people tell themselves to stave off suicide. If life is inherently meaningless as nihilism dictates, nothing can be done to give it meaning.
There is a reason the best nihilist, Nietzsche, just settled on saying that we should live to struggle and that we were untermensch if we did not want to do so.
>>71701361
But I get dopamine from working out every day. I can see why when you explain it like that though. Maybe someday I will get restless and feel like I have to do something more long term.
>>71701811
Nihilism implies that nothing matter, and it never mattered. The thing you are saying sound more akin to the middle path of Budha.
>>71701832
>1. the reason for which something exists or is done, made, used, etc.
>2. an intended or desired result; end; aim; goal.
aka die. not talking only about human death, but the destruction of all things. even stars die, so that other stars may be born. its the circle of life.
>>71702072
they are not mutually exclusive. something doesnt have to matter for it to be enjoyable. im well aware that my life is meaningless and that i will die no matter what path i chose, doesnt mean i have to wallow in self-pity and depression. nothing matters, so make the most of it. its your life, after all
>>71702003
ya, I love working out too, desu. The long term goals are just so I do not end up at 60 with nothing to do and full of regret. My grandpa is that way and I am terrified it is how I will end up.
Humans are (very) slightly evolved monkeys. Each and every last one of us will be utterly and completely forgotten in a thousand years (a blink of an eye). The entire human race and every trace of our existence will be completely gone within a million years (a slightly longer blink of an eye).
If anyone was going to assign a higher meaning or moral standard, it would have to be one of us monkeys. Which monkey should it be? You?
ITT the black pill
>>71702123
Death is not my reason nor my desired result.
We have now found the same definition of the word and we are still disagreeing.
>>71696068
This, it's not about what your morals are, its about having morals, and living your life by a set of standards. As long as you have lines that you know you will never cross, you'll always retain some semblance of pride. Of course our individual lives don't matter and our legacies will be forgotten and our bones will turn to dust. But while we're alive we might as well try and live a moral life. Having moral standards and principles should be the foundation of your life.
TL;DR: It literally doesn't matter what you believe as long as you don't continually compromise it.
>>71702530
i guess its just arguing semantics at this point, but the word 'result' is very important. whether it be desired or not, the intended result of your life is death. i know what you mean, im not autistic. death is not the reason you live life. you have goals for your life. but the result will still be the same. at the end, you will die. i hope my point of view is clearer now
>>71702230
That's a good train of thought.
>>71702530
All humans feel like our lives must be important, part of something greater, and some achieve that, they transcend throught the memories, being good at something. Other don't and as contradictory as it sounds it doesn't matter either, as long the things you do make you happy.
>being nihilist
>not being absurdist, which is even more pretentious edgy and cynical
an analogy
nihilism is reddit circa 2016
absurdism is the golden age of 4chan
>>71701811
that's existentialism, m8
>>71702924
well meme'd friend.
>>71702801
Disagreed. That's hedonism again.
Short term increase might cause long term decrease frm the bipolar perspective of the average white western male.
>>71702773
And what if death becomes optional if one acquires enough goals?
>>71703189
>what if death becomes optional
if death becomes optional, we'll have a lot more to re-think
>>71700274
What is with that pseudo-british accent shit that she's attempting? She sounds brain damaged.
>>71695775
Possibly but nihilism is basically the philosophy for degenerate sociopaths.
parts of the Nihilism philosophy are taught in the "secret societies" "alchemy" and "magic" type schools. Go read "the book of results" to see what im talking about. (protip never talk about magic or alchemy with /x/ they are retarded as fuck)
Here's something a lot of people dont know/realize:Genes do not perform their function in a vacuum they react to their environment this is an established fact.
Evolution is a constant process. Evolution is not an organism being born with a weird mutation then passing on that weird mutation. It is an organism being born and being subject to an environment which causes its organism to adapt to that environment and mutate.
For example If a lobster lives in an environment with no sunlight the pigment in its body will not develop as much, its eyes will not be worked as hard and will not develop to the extent they would have if they had the chance to see. after a couple generations the lobster would seem colorless and be completely blind. That is a real world example of evolution.
Environment includes more than just weather but also food, society, and an organisms effort needed to gather its resources. People can set different standards for these factors that they find socially acceptable and work towards them. As they change their behavior and alter their environment they evolve. People who work really hard in intellectual pursuits will get smarter and their brain will actually change a bit.
people who have no standards or morals will stagnate or even devolve. They have nothing they believe is worth exerting themselves for so they do not struggle. They do not evolve. They are literally degenerate.
>>71703189
hedonism goes hand in hand with nihilism. if you truly believe that nothing matters, then pleasure becomes the only important thing. but thats just a matter of perspective. some people will hate everything, some people will kill themselves, and some people will do whatever, because fuck it, nothing matters and we're all going to die anyway, so why not
>>71703473
>check flag
Canada I didn't know you had it in you. Quality post.
Also, I personally believe that /x/ being the most moronical board is a conspiracy
>>71703473
youre not seeing the bigger picture. evolution is just life that will one day be destroyed, as all forms of life eventually will. it does not matter. life on this planet is a blink of an eye in the history of the cosmos, which is also going to be destroyed eventually.
>>71695775
>coherent
>>71703578
correct. A belief system.
Belief systems are more complicated than that though they both have some methology worth engaging as does Durkheim, Marx, Weber, Foucalt, even Hume has points worth mentioning in the context of draconian response systems.
>>71703886
How many blink of an eye are there in your history?
>>71704304
>A belief system
just because someone gave it a name, doesnt make it a belief system. it only is if you actively believe in it. when you go ''fuck it, nothing matters, ill do whatever i want'', its not a belief. its the polar opposite.
>How many blink of an eye are there in your history?
what kind of question is that?
>>71696666
>>71696366
>>71696699
>>71697700
>>71698122
>>71698555
>>71701288
>>71704578
One you did not dare to answer, Maple
>>71696065
Nihilism produces nothing, helps no one, does nothing. It is complete bullshit and being apathetic is fucking despicable. You're basically saying "fuck everyone, fuck everything" there's a genocide going on somewhere? Those people are starving? These people are being persecuted? Nah fuck 'em we all end up in the same place.
Nihilists are next in line after the jews for my oven.
>>71704936
That's not what it means though, you could help others for practical reasons like it makes you feel good or because people would treat you better if they knew you helped.
Meanwhile you couldn't be tricked INTO supporting a genocide like all the retards do on here for their ideology.
>>71695775
people who use nihilism as a cover for their insecurity.
