If you believe in god, what would it take for you to stop believing?
If you don't believe in god, what would it take for you to start believing?
N/a
For Trump to become President.
>>71690711
>If you don't believe in god, what would it take for you to start believing?
proof
>>71690711
>If you believe in god, what would it take for you to stop believing?
proof
>>71690711
Old school miracles. An angry guy casting fireballs at pagans, the clouds parting with a flaming chariot, 4 headed and winged monsters flying around, demons being clinically proven to cause epilepsy, etc.
>>71690711
Well, I usually thought I would need some pretty good proof of a god's existence, but lately I've been coming to terms that I'm not psychologically healthy, so any proof good enough to convince me of a higher power would also be pretty good evidence that I'm truly losing my mind.
>>71690711
undeniable evidence of extra-terrestrial intelligent life
>>71690711
Unlimited weed and no niggers
>>71690711
A really sweet infographic
>>71690787
>>71690868
>mfw I was thinking both of these answers at once in response to OP's query
>>71690891
>clinical trials occurring during the tribulations of the apocalypse
>>71690964
Aliens aint proof of god.
>>71690711
In order to believe in (a) god/God, Trump has to win the Presidency and either become a god emperor or have someone even better than him supersede him.
>>71691147
Also, r/a8 my bBT
I'm a pantheist. 'God' is just another term I use for the entirety of all things in the universe. It literally can't be disproven because there's not much to it other than my own approval.
>>71691235
no, i believe in God, but i think the existence of alien life would destroy my faith, the Christian narrative at least.
I believe in that anything that becomes a concept in the collective consciousness of humanity and has real and lasting influence in the world, is real. So God is very real and very powerful. This is the same concept behind meme magic.
Our reality is shaped by our consciousness, and our consciousness is influenced by the sphere of thought around us, which directly controls how we interact with and shape reality. To make me stop believing in God, you would have to disprove his influence in the history of the world and the actions of men, which you cannot do.
>>71690711
>If you don't believe in god, what would it take for you to start believing?
Same thing it would take for me to believe other ridiculous shit: something besides some dipwad' FEELS that shows it's true.
>>71690711
oh i dunno, some consistency and justice would go a long way towards getting me to believe
>>71691592
Interesting concept.
Inb4 sophists shit up the thread
>>71692855
Solipsists even
>>71690711
Nothing. What would it profit a man to gain the world and lose his soul?
>>71690711
Proof.
And proof.
>>71690711
recently experienced pulmonary arrest. it all just went black. no light, no tunnel, no bearded niggerman with gate... sorry, so sorry
>>71690711
death, we'll see where it goes from there
>>71693486
Confirmed dead or just hypoxic unconsciousness?
I only ask because I'm in the medical field and see my fair share of resuscitation. Most that go unconscious see nothing, or have a feeling of having just slept a while. The ones that go into full cardiac arrest for longer than 30 seconds tend to have some stories.
I want a bj from an angle bitch
>>71693848
acute angle?
>>71690711
i pray in a vague way so that the god of my ancestors, (witch ever they may be) are the only ones that hear my prayer.So that i ask for help from the ones that helped me exist in the first place.
>>71690711
How about this; what if God came to you and told you to stop believing in him? For the sake of the argument, let's assume he proves to you that he is God.
How would you react if God told you to actively preach against worshipping him?
>>71690711
A miracle i seen with my own eyes. Something physically impossible that cannot be explained away by our current scientific models.
Like, an asteroid crushing the middle east and Africa killing all life, yet not throwing a cloud of debris that kills everyone except the most avid doomsday prepper. That would make me believe in God.
>>71693887
That's the right angle, m8.
>>71690711
Ascendency to a state of being so far above human in it's understanding of the universe that it would cease to be a relevant question
>>71695197
Yo whose the QT
>>71690711
N/A
Honestly I don't think anything should, that would destroy the concept of faith.
>>71690711
I'll find out when I die.
>>71690711
Good question. Even if a giant figure engulfed in light descended from the heavens and said, 'Here I am, I exist' my first thought would be not that god exists, but that I was hallucinating.
>>71696383
Jordyn Jones, one of those gross "dance" whores. Not a qt, just a slut
>>71691499
Well, it's probably a few decades off, but one of Jupiter's moons, Europa, has a covering of ice that conceals a global ocean that almost certainly supports complex life. There are plans to survey it.
>>71696893
Theres fucking bacteria on Mars right now.
>>71696961
Well, there's possible evidence of fossilized bacteria on Mars. If there was any evidence of life on Mars today, it would be a sensation.
>>71690711
I'd have to get really demoralized, like really bad.
I do want to stick to my hope though, but a key part of that hope is believing that even if I do fall away, no matter how tragic that may be, I'm a son of God and that can't change.
So I may go to heaven for having put my trust in him before, but be ashamed initially because I was so weak to give in and doubt. Aren't the strong there to help the weak? Christ will not be ashamed to call us brothers.
And when I didn't believe, it was being introduced personally to what appeared to be satanists or some unnamed group. All the stories I had heard about who ran the world from the bible, it all made sense to me then and everything kind of fell into place from there.
>>71690711
Evidence.
I mean real empirical scientifically based evidence.
>>71690711
>If you believe in god, what would it take for you to stop believing?
cant take away my faith ever
>>71690891
Disbelieve it if you want to and it can all be a pretty great timing coincidence but I had epileptic seizures when I was young up until the point I was anointed with oil by a pastor.
>>71697335
It was probably cannabis oil
>>71697140
except there is no evidence for a second genesis. none. and there never will be.
continue believing we evolved from rocks - rocks that appeared from nothing
>>71696961
>detect bacteria on your earth made equipment
what is the significance of this though?
>>71690891
i used to be a atheist and i did see miracles , because god really wants me in his flock, but even then i did not belief, it took me a decade to see it as miracles and only i did so when i found faith
>>71690711
nothing for either
if we could prove God was real, there'd be no point in the whole free will and faith thing in the bible, yknow
>>71698023
what? free will would still exist even if some dude was walking around turning water into wine
free will existed when you believe that shit happened anyways.
>>71697459
That is interesting but would it really be a permanent cure. That was some 20-30 years ago.
>>71698313
no it does not if it was 100 % sure that god was real and hell is a horrible place . charles manson would not have killed people
does a child steal cookies when their parents are in or out the room
>>71698023
the evidence for god is all around you, every touch taste and smell. to ignore it is to be blinded with pride.
pride is of course the worst of all deadly sins.
>>71690711
I would have to see a ghost in order to believe in a god.
thats it.
>>71698596
there are people who belief in ghost but not in god, a ghost is not even a biblical spirit.
>>71698517
>my sweaty man smell is a sign of god
Well he's a madman for sure.
>>71698596
to be atheist is such an unnatural and miserable decision though... when there is literally no proof or reason to choose to be atheist.
>>71697593
>continue believing we evolved from rocks
Is this an exaggeration, or is this really your level of understanding when it comes to the origin of life?
>>71698517
I literally had a panic attack watching that webm
>>71697140
Mars is dead and cold. It may have at one point supported life but it is too small. It's core cooled down too much and it lost/weakened it's magnetic field and when that happens you lose your atmosphere to solar winds.
>>71690711
>If you believe in god, what would it take for you to stop believing?
An answer as to how nothing became something with no cause, no outside force, and nothing to be created out of.
The most logical answer is that there was an outside force, and until I am proven otherwise, 'tis what i shall believe.
>>71698949
it either is or it isnt. there will either be a creator or we prove we all evolved from rocks to primordial ooze to humans... all of which appeared out of nowhere along with reality and all matter and dimensions and time ... both fantastically impossible concepts.
>>71698949
is your sweaty man smell not proof that you need to wash your self filthy pig
>>71699355
>both fantastically impossible concepts
One is scientific research and data and the other is faith. One aligns with the physical world we observe, the other is hopes and prayers.
>>71699219
What outside force created God?
>>71699072
elaborate for me on the part where it goes from rocks forming planets to humans please.
clearly i skipped a few steps - that isnt an exaggeration so much as it is a summary including the plainly stated start and the finish of current scientific knowledge.
>>71699951
god created time so god is beyong creating
>>71699155
when adrenaline is your drug of choice and you hit rock bottom
>>71699951
That would be applying logic to something which does not abide by logic.
>>71698596
An afterlife doesn't necessarily imply a god
>>71700281
>logic doesn't apply to the religious
That's already well known.
>>71699907
i have rejected no science. you might find that the ven diagrams of faith/belief and science do not intersect at all. did you really fall for the science requires you to be atheist meme?
>>71699965
I guess I'll reply.
Oceans formed by the beginning of atmospheric cycles contained many molecules such as carbon, nitrogen, and hydrogen. Scientists have different views on how the building blocks of life were formed, but there is a theory where simple molecules, called RNA, were formed as part of underwater chemical reactions. These molecules held specific shapes, which allowed them (by chance) to perform "catalysis", which means the assistance of other chemical reactions. (molecular shape has a "square hole", so a "square molecule" sticks there, and can react)
Some pieces of RNA randomly formed to catalyze reactions that created a gradient, which means "more" of energy, salt, molecules, whatever, on one side of a system than the other.
This gradient, at its most simplest, is life.
The molecules that happened to catalyze these gradient reactions got bigger, and began to form more complicated catalytic machines, some even making more RNA!
This is life, and a couple billion years of nitrogen and hydrogen bouncing into each other made this.
>>71690711
>what would it take for you to start believing?
The rapture
>>71690711
I would need proof that believing in God doesn't make you happier. Thusfar, the evidence points in the opposite direction, so it's been an easy run.
>>71700462
Why believe in something with no evidence or proof?
>>71691213
Lel
>what would it take for you to start believing?
one fucking prayer answered
>>71700471
Another note: the moment some teeny tiny molecule is able to make more of itself, Life is off to the races. Reproduction fucks up sometimes, and that is the basis of natural selection. Fuckups that are able to reproduce more, create more offspring. Fuckups that can't reproduce as well, don't have as much offspring.
Result: molecules that can reproduce better.
>>71700490
atheist are horrible people
If god is real why do churches have lightning rods?
>>71691073
Underrated post
>>71690711
>what would it take for you to stop believing?
Death
>>71700387
The real fool is the one who tries to apply logic where none is present.
>>71690711
Proof
But believing isn't worshipping, if he was literally like entity from Bible, would I want to feed such moody asshat?
>>71700471
>>71700717
Well said. I won't be surprised in a few years time when scientists announce they've midwifed a new origin of life in the lab, using simple organic material and recreation of conditions on Earth billions of years ago.
>>71701001
You're right it is foolish arguing. You cant reason someone out of a position that they didn't reason themselves into.
>>71700717
the scientific theorie is the how not the why.. i am a christfag and i can belief in macro evolution to some degree as in a test of faith.
In the old days we had gods, now god upt his game with theere is no god
>>71690711
>start believing
Not sure I would be convinced by anything at this point.
When the apparent evil one is the master of lies and the other has made no effort to differentiate himself to you, what do you do if the evil one poses as God? How do you know he's not? Nothing within human faculties would enable you to objectively determine which is which.
Only fuzzy feelings and skepticism. One wants blind faith, and the other uses lies to usurp motives. It's a game you're destined to fail.
>If you don't believe in god, what would it take for you to start believing?
For god to say hi. That's all. Just say hi to me, personally. Even a disembodied voice would be fine, if it spoke with truths that I could identify, as a god could.
I do look for god, I just never find it, I only find man's compulsion to control.
>>71697933
sometimes good things happen
>HURRR DUURRR ITS GOD THANK U JEBUS
>>71700578
Because it makes you feel better.
Which, personally, is the most disgusting and selfish reason to believe something.
Hilariously enough, no matter how much religionfags deny it, this is the root reason for their faith. It's too horrible for theme to accept anything else, so to be able to deal with it they delude themselves.
>>71701126
You didn't reason anything senpai, you simply said 'hur dur whut create Dog then?' then called me an idiot when i answered.
>>71700791
this is true though i am a horrible person
>>71701233
But my favourite sports team won this year, how can that not be a miracle, and a sign of God's true will!
>>71700471
so rocks -> humans
so just like i said. please, continue believing this. it's even more bizarre when you muddle through the part where reality and the laws of physics were created along with all matter/energy that ever existed. there are many parts you are skipping over with absolutely no proof.
>>71690711
regarding OPs question, seeing a reliable and reproducible experiment showing primordial ooze forming into cellular life, with proteins and rDNA. AKA humans being able to create a 2nd/3rd/infinite genesis.
>>71701375
id like to thank jesus for letting me catch that football
>>71701211
>if I heard voices
How could you be sure they're not macinations of some undiagnosed mental disorder?
People keep saying 'undeniable proof this' 'evidence that'. But they haven't actually considered what evidence or situation would be viable enough to actually be reasonable.
People want proof. What would prove something to be God and not an asshole alien, mental disorder, demon masquerading? What would make God's proof readily discernible from any other supernatural phenomena?
>>71701079
Thanks m8. Currently taking a great bio class with a great teacher that really makes this stuff sound stupid simple
>>71701233
nonono my life has been hell and in the end the only way is god.
>some people really belong in hell , thank you jebus for creating hell a mirace to us , a curse to others
>>71701330
>I'm better than religious people because I'm enlightened by my own intelligence unlike the sheep around me
You're a dumbass. You haven't got a clue as to why people are religious, but it's good to know you've boiled it all down to a sophomoric knee jerk conclusion.
I think we are all god, the whole universe is god. It's all in our brains, our consciousness creates everything, since this is subject and introspective nothing could really change my view.
>>71701550
are you trying to say your life hasnt been good and you put your faith and actions towards god in hope of a better after life?
>>71701372
hey you are on 4 chan /pol/ where people have hope for happenings how horrible can you be?
>>71701622
what if i told you it was 2 for $2 Tuesday at subway?
>>71701079
There's actually a number of primordial cauldrons in labs around the world that have been trying to pressure cook the building blocks of life for something like the last 50 years.
So far nothing has happened. It could very well take 50 million years, or 5 days.
>>71698967
>to be atheist is a decision
no, you don't choose what to believe, smartass.
>>71690711
>If you don't believe in god, what would it take for you to start believing?
the notion is so ridiculous if something happened that would demonstrate god existing to me I'd honestly just think I was hallucinating or there was a very elaborate prank being played on me or ayy lmaos were visiting since those are all actually physically possible
I guess I would have to go insane, go through some severe psychological trauma, be high as fuck, get brain damage, ect, literally something to retard my problem solving abilities
>>71701735
i did a 40 in a 35 once
>>71690711
Overwheming evidence that reality exists independent of a conscious observer, and proof that that causality can be violated would make me reconsider my beliefs about God.
>>71690711
I believe in god and hope to one day end him. And I have no doubt that, as the kikes claim, god is absolutely a male human. There is simply no other explanation for how truly fucked up everything is.
I don't, however, believe in god and it would take proof that he had any sort of decency to believe in him.
>>71698967
im a nihilist and it only hurts but i cant find it in myself to believe in anything greater
I would have to get rid of my long education in biochemistry and microbiology to start belieivng in the "God" you are refering to.
I would have to start being education in Biochemistry and Microbiology to believe there is a God
The God we read in texts isn't right.
We interpreted things thousands of years ago based on what we knew so everything is lost in translation.
stfu and go to school fag
>>71700578
it is a natural thing, it isnt a choice, it is a given from birth as a sentient human, it is part of your existence. you however are making an unnatural decision to be an atheist. this odd choice and the mental gymnastics required to believe it - are causing you great emotional distress, from denying the evidence that fills your eyeballs every moment of your life.
>>71701680
nope at the moment i probably have a one way ticket below
i dont know if hell is going to be a blessing or a curse
>>71701946
How exactly does your education in biochemistry interfere with belief in God?
>>71701946
god is the why and science is the how your a fucking retard
>>71701819
>>71701986
>you however are making an unnatural decision to be an atheist
What the fuck are you talking about
You're born atheist
Religions are something that you're taught
>The pope appears in public once again
>last week IS had blown up an entire german city
>"We must pray for those who will suffer of this racism and islamophobia"
>"As all religions are the same and strive only for peace and prosperity"
>cucks cheer as the cucks they are
>Right as he is to talk again a fuckloud thunder smites him and causes the balconny to explode
>the crowd is screaming in shock and awe
>all TV broadcasts cut to report it.
>No trace of the pope to the found other than a fuckhuge splatter of gore and smoke where he used to be
>ratzinger comes from the crowd
>in shiny armor and raising a sword
>He reinvigorates screaming "OUR DUTY IS HOLY, GOD COMMANDS WE PURGE ISLAM´S TERROR FROM THIS WORLD"
>"Deus vult" is heard through all the vatican and italy.
>All of the Church gold and assets but the vatican itself are sold and the finest weaponry and clothes are bought.
>Followers and new-comers shocked by gods message rally to the vatican.
>Banners high, Weapons loaded and proud uniforms plague the streets.
>Young and Old, Women and Men are carrying huge crosses and waving banners across the streets, chanting in name of their god.
>Riots in turkey,germoney,Sweden,France and every place that hosts mudslimes as they sense their end is coming.
>The holy troops march to the Mecca.
Sadly this will never happen because this pope will gladly offer us to the moors.
>>71701999
i feel like hell is played up a little to much. Thousands of years in hell-fire for a few bad decisions? youll get like 2 years in purgatory max
>>71690711
I can't imagine of anything.
It's not like God is a possibility, He is a certainty - you have a Personal relation with God.
Sure talking about the only God, the real one - the Trinity.
>>71691499
The Bible doesn't say much about life elsewhere, neither does it say we are the only ones.
>>71702112
*tips fedora*
>>71697335
Well that's good enough for me, anonymous poster. Who would go on the internet and tell lies? Praise Jesus!
>>71702033
that fedora trick proves god is real it truly is a miracle
>>71702113
I wood cum
>>71702020
wtf?!?!
dude stfu. Youre not getting it. What "GOD" are you speaking of? There is a "God" of course but we dont know what that is so why fucking talk about it?
We go based on what we know can prove and again
LONG AGO WHEN THE FUCKING BIBLE WAS WRITTEN WE INTERPRETED THINGS BASED ON WHAT WE KNEW
SOOOOO
wtf
if i saw a fucking meteor in the sky i wouldn't know it was an icy ball of rock id probably think it was "GOD" pissed that i jacked off yesterday
>>71701079
that sounds a lot like faith
>>71702184
But that's literally true, fucktard.
>inb4 he panics and starts spamming his neckbeard-in-hat collection
>>71701986
You were taught that God exists. You were born an atheist agnostic.
inb4 you have no real response other than memes
>>71697335
and then he also sucked your dick? praise the pastor
>>71697335
Read a fucking neuropsychology book fag
>>71702295
>this tantrum
You're up pretty late for a 15 year old. This is also not a kiddy board.
>>71701211
>ignore literally everything that fills your eyeballs every day
where is the proofs?
>>71690711
If you truly believe, nothing will stop you believing.
>>71691028
Then you're no better than niggers
>>71702295
its alright let it out just let it all out im sure shell come back to you someday
I've quit caring about the question of God altogether.
I don't really think anything could really persuade or dissuade me at this point.
>>71702441
I'm 24 and have a head ache and you are all making it worse.
Seriously, thinking about people simply saying "God" and not specifying what god they are referring to is clearly bait but I bit so my fault
I dont believe in god but if someone were to die and somehow come back to life I'd go to church every sunday for the rest of my life.
That ain't gonna happen tho
>>71702544
Not even trolling but seriously?
Thanks anon
One cause I just laughed so hard and two cause I hope so
>>71701457
19yo edgy atheist bro confirmed
>>71702591
>you need to discuss deism on my terms or I'll have a fit
>I'm 24
Then you've failed your family. It's a personal question you may answer in any way satisfies it for you. If your God is Allah, then you answer that way. If your God is a fedora tipping spaghetti dildo, then you'd answer with what would be necessary for you to believe in him.
Stop being a spazzing cunt and communicate like normal people.
If canadians managed not to shitpost for a whole 24 hours
>>71702843
That'd be a miracle for sure... oh wait.
>>71701766
>this bucket of shit will eventually evolve into sentient life
keep the faith fellow scientist
>>71702656
no troll i promise :^)
>>71701776
believing in god is your natural state from birth. atheism is a hard life choice that can only be made with great pain, to perform daily mental gymnastics to maintain. why put yourself through hell? bend the knee, take on a pious life.
>If you don't believe in god, what would it take for you to start believing?
Empirical evidence supplied through a testable, falsifiable proposition of which the terms are defined in advance
>>71690711
I want to believe in god since it would make me feel good however shit dosnt make sense so i need definitiv proof and a damn good backstory.
>>71702158
There is the whole "man is made in His image" thing, or whatever. Having ayys come in not looking like us would be a big shake-up.
>>71690711
for me to start believing you would need to bring hitler back to life and destroy all the feminists, BLM supporters, isis, and other like minded individuals. at the same time. essentially what im saying is eradicate 1/3 of the total population of earth.
>>71703031
>athiesm is a hard life choice
What's hard about it? Wake up. Chop some lumber. Hunt a deer. Clean it and butcher it to store for the coming winter. Read a book until candlelight, then go to bed.
>>71701574
Nice argument. I like the part where you provided evidence or examples to back up your reasoning.
Too bad you can't deny that the only reason to believe in God is insecurity. Please, attempt to come up with another reason, and I'll explain to you how that reason stems from insecurity.
Protip: you're upset because I'm right and you know it, but don't want to admit it.
>>71702113
Sounds cool except for everyone carrying around crosses. They are heavy, inconvenient, and make awful weapons. They'd be best left at home or something.
Really for me it would take a god himself to appear, prove that he is not just some alien with extremely powerful technology that we can't comprehend yet, and explain why he didn't just make a uniform world religion in the first place or hasn't made himself present more often.
Finally really it would require him to lay down what the one true religion is, because like 90% of what you idiots say on here as far as religion goes I'm pretty damn sure your god would not approve of in the slightest. Like seriously, y'all fucktards go "deus vult!" "lets kill them nigs, jews, mudslimes, and gays" and one of your commandments says "Thou shalt not kill", along with shit like "turn the other cheek". It's ridiculous.
So yea, if a god can come down, prove that it is a god and not some alien with superior tech, set down an actual religion that doesn't contradict itself and is not easily misinterpreted, and explains wtf is up with the universe then sure, I'll believe.
>>71703141
image isnt a visual image
we learned this in my years of priavte school and it was drilled into us
it was more of an emotional and spiritual image
>>71703141
Man is made in his image.
Who said Ayylien means Man?
Aliens don't actually conflict with the bible because of the things he said. The bible doesn't discuss much other than the middle east and man and his interactions.
Never says there can't be ayys.
>>71690787
When you close your eyes, push away your ego, and lose all attachment to the physical, what do you feel?
>>71701946
>implying biochemistry and microbiology prove there is no god
you arent the only person here with a massive science education. this in no way disproves any aspect of faith/belief.
i will concede the holes poked into specific dogma of certain faiths, such as dna proving our x eve and y adam being hundreds of thousands of years apart.... but this - as you say - only proves the written dogma etched in stone by men thousands of years ago was not accurate... it only proves the fallacies of men. it in no way attacks faith/god/belief, in fact to think that it does shows you are prone to your own logic holes just like the men you are attacking that died thousands of years ago.
Just try psycedlics u fuckin nerds
>>71703169
>I need to be right so bad, I'm willing to act like an insufferable faggot because I'm blinded by my own arrogance
Believe it or not, you don't know everything and don't have a monopoly on the inner workings of another person's head. And from the way you conduct conversations, you don't seem to be in control of your own thoughts.
>all religion is insecurity
Generalizations like that make you look stupid. Give it another 10 years, and maybe a hardship or two and you might pass for a decent human being if you make it.
>>71703031
believing in god is not your natural state. It's entirely learned. For example, my cousins kid, brought up without a single mention of gods, religions, any of that, just taught to respect others and to be nice. She had literally no idea about god until her fish died and her friend said that the fish went to heaven, to which she goes "What's heaven?". Take your head out your ass and see, religion is learned.
Nothing. My faith in Atheism is rock solid. God could appear to me in person and I'd just think it was a trick played by Le Trash Man.
>>71701937
take a day off, spend it in the park, bring a picnik lunch, open your eyes to the sights and sounds and all of gods creations. the evidence is all around you that god is good and he loves you.
If god talked to me i would believe. Or if i could see him or an angel or something. I dont ask for much
>>71691288
>tfw god comes over that ridge just right
v good b8 m8
>>71693887
good one senpai
>>71690711
Once you truly found Jesus and are grafted into His Church, you won't stop believing in Him. Turn away from Him, perhaps, in some dark hour of your life where you get lost, but stop believing? Not going to happen.
>>71703296
Be american
take a day off,
>get shot
spend it in the park
>get shot
bring a picnik lunch
>get shot for being a faget
open your eyes to the sights and sounds and all of gods creations.
>get shot for being a faggot
the evidence is all around you that god is good and he loves you
>except for literally everything in this world including happiness which is fleeting
>>71703539
>god is good, and he loves you
Lol. If there's a God, he either doesn't give a shit about you on a personal level, or his grand design considers you a means to an end and not the end itself.
>>71690711
>If you don't believe in god, what would it take for you to start believing?
Getting laid, I suppose.
>>71690711
I believe
Literally nothing
>>71703111
This.
God's existence in our lives is a corruption of his greatest creation: the human mind.
>>71690711
>If you don't believe in god, what would it take for you to start believing?
Evidence.
>>71703888
>evidence
Such as? A voice? An image? A miracle? A smiting?
>>71703692
Rape some commies in the coming chaos ,Hue.
>>71701430
No, it was more like hydrogen -> everything. Hydrogen (and other elements) fused in stars, and out of these elements the first cell-like things were formed. Out of other elements, stones n shiet was formed. So stones are kind of like our common ancestor...
>>71702112
dogma is something you are taught, the church, ie. the way to properly worship the god that is so blindingly obvious to everyone. this is why you feel pain during your daily mental gymnastics to twist your mind into not believing what you plainly see.
i think your issue is common. a pre-atheist finds holes in written dogma, just like all of us have, yet we dont twist our mind into devaluing our lives and our very existence.
>>71703744
That must be exhausting.
>>71698517
>>71698967
What exactly does the human understanding of physics and a vehicle designed to take impacts from other vehicles traveling at speed surviving the outer wall of a storm have to do with God or beliefs?
>>71704029
Not sure what you mean
>>71703968
a repeatable act that anyone can conduct that results in the only conclusion there being that it must be a god of some sort and no other explanation fits.
It's somewhat of a paradox because god itself is considered to be something 'beyond nature' but that's the problem for the theist to solve, not me.
>>71690711
>If you believe in god, what would it take for you to stop believing?
Nothing
You can't stop believing in my God, the Christian Holy Trinity God.
>>71697335
Placebo is a hell of a drug
>>71704139
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZcZSIGHDz8
>>71703247
>They are heavy, inconvenient, and make awful weapons
Not when you charge them with faith
>>71704150
>up to the theist
Why? The only person that stands to benefit is you. Not sure why anyone else should endeavor to save your soul for you. Have a hard enough time themselves often enough.
>>71702295
attaching specific written dogma in the bible doesnt make your case for atheism any better... it literally boils down to an adhominem against a church that you rebelled from. it in no way disproves god's existence to show adam/eve through dna. geologists showing an earth billions of years old doesnt disprove god either.
dont you see, you are merely proving men were wrong. men.
>>71690711
>>71703856
Divine visions of God's immanent appearance within the somatic realm of my conscious perceptions.
Literally being in the presence of God, or being brought through metaphysical transportation of my consciousness into the sublime realm of his almighty kingdom.
Failing that, I will probably remain atheistic until I die.
>>71699951
God created God, God is something Humans can't understand
Does an ant knows how are gummy bears made?
>>71704150
What in the fuck could possibly demonstrate that? You will never ever see something like that in your lifetime
>>71703510
Still no evidence or reasoning. No argument. How sad.
>calling people out on their delusions makes me an insufferable faggot
I wonder why you get defensive and lash out at me with emotion and ad hominim?
Is it because you're insecure about your place in existence? Yes. Yes it is.
>>71704000
I'd rather just cure them of their red disease.
And by cure I mean 7.62
Getting laid isn't that hard considering all the whores and sluts here, but since there is no merit in fucking a random whore I'd rather save my money and patience by masturbating instead.
>>71704476
god is our gummy bear
>>71702591
that is because your entire logic tree requires a written dogma to immediately attack and dog pile ontop of with herp derp logic. atheism logic revolves around ad hominem attacks on written scriptures and cannot exist on its own.
>>71704569
or u could stop being a neckbeard loser and get a gf
>>71702113
>implying the christian God would support the Catholic diocese
You people are heretics through and through.
I'm not sure there is any proof he doesn't exist
Just look at DNA, it's been around for a long fucking time and it's something that is more advanced than any super computer that will be around in the next 10 years. It has actual physical codes on how to make a human. Scientist are quick to scream "volutionnl" when they can't even explain how the first micro organisms poped up to evolve from, and natural selection? It's just modifications of genes and traits that are ALREADY there. Everything has a cause and effect yet somehow the universe was thrown into existence by nothing. It's like a system of gears in a clock. They all work together, but some how there was a certain nothing that throw the first gear of the universe into motion. Everything around us is so damn complicated, our most brilliant designs as humans can't even come close to what the universe made by "accident" I mean just look at the cell diagram of the human eye. It connects to your brain and allows you to see the world, it has censors and a bunch of mechinism like that of the pupil, it works in a way to let in the perfect amount of light for your brain to process, it's amazing yet so complicated for even evolution or chance. Just put aside your "logical thinking" and use real logical thinking to think about the structure of our world and the actual complicitys that lie behind it, and if I am wrong about God, I've only wasted a tiny part of my life, much better than wasting my entire eternity because someone who gets paid 10x what I will ever get paid to look at cells under a microscope and tell me what lies beneath
I'm not here to convert you but there is something amazing behind a force that exists in 2 billion people. You may feel like a dumb fuck but since you won't lose anything by trying just look up at the stars and ask if he's there, ask for a sign and you'll start to see them. Got a problem in life?Try praying for a solution. They call it saving yourself for a reason. Good luck /pol/
>>71704555
It's fine, man. I don't need to feel superior to anonymous people on the internet to justify my existence.
Somehow it's just petty and meaningless to need that. It's a weakness of character. Same thing with going full dunning-kruger about other people's thoughts. They should really keep you on retainer at every courthouse in the country. I'm sure there'd never be a problem down the line.
>>71704476
Read up on general and special relativity sometime as well as quantum spookyness and realize that's the shit you dint know, not "God".
Humans know a hell of a lot, you however don't.
Hell God died with Copernicus' realization that the universe isn't heliocentric.
>>71703031
an uneducated child is not an atheist. they are infact able to see the evidence for gods existence, unlike yourself. try explaining to them we evolved from rocks that came from nothing.
>>71704332
>Not when you charge them with faith
Stop watching anime, this is real life. Going to battle with a huge fucking cross is retarded. You will die.
>>71704704
>if I can't explain it it's god
Top spook
>>71702184
chegmade :DDD
>>71704225
created by god so we can heal our self just with our mind
>>71700578
Why would you not choose to believe it if it makes your life worth living?
>>71704881
Shhhh anon,
Most religions being, ultimately, Sun worship is not a pill many people can take.
>>71704629
That may be true for him, but I have no problem contemplating the acceptance of almighty God without needing to achieve any theological understanding whatsoever, and I am still convinced that the universe fundamentally lacks spirituality of any kind.
See here:
>>71704459
Would you agree that it is possible to be open and willing to accept the divinity of existence and simultaneously disbelieving in it entirely?
>>71704778
Nah you don't need to feel superior because your delusional belief in a SUPREME being (who by default is your ultimate Trump card that can't be defeated) takes the place of your sense of superiority. You've given it over to skydaddy in a delusional attempt to make the crushing terror of reality more comforting to you.
With every word you type denying this, you prove it correct.
Oh, this guy is being an asshole and you know there's really nothing you personally can do about it, because for all intents and purposes, we're on equal footing as Humans. So how do you deal with the fact that someone is acting in a way you don't like? You delude yourself with an ultimatum fantasy. You may not have power, but what if you lived your life pretending there's an almighty being above everything who eventually WILL teach that asshole a lesson? Then, everything is kosher. You no longer have to worry or have responsibility because skydaddy will now solve every problem ever and it'll all be okay!
It's absolutely disgusting, but the worst part is people are oblivious to this mental gymnastics. It's cognitive dissonance. You're literally fabricating unbeatable solutions to problems you can't figure out how to solve other ways because it's too hard to put that much effort into it when you can just pretend it's all good eventually.
>>71690711
Can't go back man, once you understand you understand
Agnostic here.
I'll know when I die.
For now, I'm just gonna try to keep a clear conscience.
>>71705099
>>71703677
>not knowing how to properly quote
it's ok bro
>obsession with getting shot
people die, however those with faith ... their culture and goodness lives on... those without faith die and their progeny die out. the prious rule the earth and heaven. getting shot might have more to do with our common failure to show others what is good and what to uphold. a failure of culture doesn't disprove god in any way.
>>71704934
>we evolved from rocks that came from nothing.
One of the many problems with religionfags is the strawmanning.
The scientific community does not claim we came from rocks made of nothing
Is like this video, it fails at the most basic level to understand the argument for evolution and ends up strawmanning into amazing levels of stupidity
https://youtu.be/FZFG5PKw504
>>71703683
why do you hate yourself so much. you ridicule your own existence, this has to damage your mental self-image and effect your everyday life, probably more than you realize.
>>71690711
>If you don't believe in god, what would it take for you to start believing?
Witnessing a genuine miracle. Something that should not be scientifically feasible happening before my very eyes, like the second coming.
Besides, if God is as forgiving as they insist he is, wanting proof first should sit well with him, right?
>>71704010
people evolved from rocks that appeared out of nowhere.
lol
>>71705147
>Helios will never pull you across the sky on his chariot
>>71704881
>Hell God died with Copernicus' realization that the universe isn't heliocentric.
fucking false man why do you lie
>In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
universe then earth it does not state that the earth revolves around the universe
>>71704085
i tried, i cannot understand what you are saying. i wont insult you for your incoherent question though.
>>71705564
You do not know the very images you posted along with your words?
>>71704704
>there is something amazing about the constancy of those forces permeating life through eternity by din of cosmic fate
Amazing, or terrifying on an epistemological level. The perceivable permanence of infinite existence is what Nietzche antithetically named 'the abyss'
>>71705532
No but the clergy spouted that shit for centuries
Not once did God tell the Pope, a human who's job it is to talk to God, that the universe wasn't heliocentric.
It took a dude who actually looked at PROOF and OBSERVATIONS to debunk it
And you're right God died before then. We can go back in our history and see that these monotheistic religions are new. Why is Jesus more Gods son than Hercules?
>>71690711
I will never stop believing in God. You can call me a christcuck, close-minded, and a number of other insults, but no man will ever disrupt my faith in our lord.
>>71690711
some evidence other than schizophrenic delusions
>>71704664
well not after Vatican II
>>71690891
This
I'd probably blame aliens though
>>71704704
appeal to common sense
Hume btfo you 300 years ago
>>71705815
What if God himself told you to stop believing in him? He doesn't need a reason, he's god.
>>71705277
your desire to keep a clear conscious... why? is this some natural pull towards a godly way of life?
>>71705791
not a argument human error does not fault god, show me 1 piece of evidence that a pope can talk to god
>>71701430
>>71705443
The Big Bang is by definition explainable, as space, time and the elements were created in that instant. But you seem to have difficulty grasping events after the Big Bang: events such as star and galaxy formation, planet formation, ocean formation, organic material formation and the origin of life. All of these were made possible by the fruits of the Big Bang: all of them have been explained. The only tenuous one left is the origin of life: even though it has a simple, common sense explanation, we still need some hard evidence.
>>71706109
*unexplainable
>>71705815
Do long as you aren't some assmad that rejects science as a result (even tho religion is unscientific) than its OK desu
Plenty of people believe in a God and evolution and the big bang. Even Einstein, in fact he rejected quantum mechanics due to his faith in God.
>>71705298
no no, i completely understand evolution. it say we came from rocks that appeared out of nowhere.
well big bang and hydrogen and primordial ooze etc... but essentially humans evolved from rocks that blinked into existence.
keep believing that.
>>71690711
What would it take for you stop making threads?
>>71706152
You're just being willfully obtuse to keep the argument open.
Most of you have been doing this for the entire thread.
>>71706109
reiterating it in such a verbose manner doesnt it make it more/less true. humans evolved from rocks that appeared out of nowhere. it is so much simpler and easier to understand, why reject it? go with it my atheist friend. embrace it!
>>71690711
I remember you from hat thread where I was the long winded Australian and you were arguing with that American. I then went to bed.
Remember that? If you did that would be cool.
>>71706102
Show me 1 piece of evidence God exists
Man says God exists
Man says the Pope can talk to God
Man says Helios pulls the sun across the sky
So you aren't a Catholic. What makes your religion the right one then?
>>71706059
It's honestly a decent way to go about life, because what if say Hinduism was right all along? Majority of religions say live a good life, have a good afterlife, so on the off chance that a different one is right than you thought may as well live the good life, and when you die, if you were on the wrong side of things you wont be as screwed as if you lived your whole life for the wrong cause.
>>71706265
It was not that long ago. Maybe 12 hours ago?
>>71705438
Tbh I agree with the evangelical baptist ITT accusing people who demand incontrovertible happenings are directly contradictory to all empirical understanding are literally setting up a paradox and demanding that it be rationally 'solved' with some logically coherent explanation.
If you want a falsifiable, empirically-demonstrated violation of the physical laws of reality as proof of the divine you are ipso facto precluding the possibility of anything meeting your standard of belieaveability. Its willful paradox.
>>71690711
1)if God himself descends into the earth and says he does not exist
>>71690711
The problem with omnipotence is that logic can't apply. But going by the bible there's just not much reason to believe it's anything more than folk tales and people speaking their ideas or delusions as fact.
>>71705738
ok. still cant be sure, but are you commenting on the random picture/webm?
>>71706152
>no no, i completely understand evolution. it say we came from rocks that appeared out of nowhere.
So you don't understand evolution. As I said it does not claim it. Just because you say it does doesn't make it true, it just means you're an idiot who can't or refuses to read
>>71706261
What you fail to realize is the answer of God did it replaces the answer of an accident did it. Either way, it happened out of nowhere and nothing. Whether that happening was caused by an intelligence or just happened, it's illogical both ways.
Evidence
>>71705957
I said man, not God himself. Also I have no clue why God would do such a thing, and how I'd be able to do so after that.
>>71706142
I am open to science, and I don't reject claims that have sufficient proof, but I always put my religion first.
>>71706280
i ask you of a document what gives a pope authority.by god, because that is what you belief
muh evidence of god strawmans
>>71690711
It would take god actually speaking to me I think. Or some unexplained miracle in my own life.
>>71706285
This is the problem I have with religion.
Personally, I don't care about my own happiness. I want to be useful, considerate, and honorable.
I would never consider doing the right thing just because if I didn't I might get screwed. I don't really care if I get screwed. If there is a God and it decides I deserve an eternity of punishment, fine. If not and I get an eternity of pleasure, fine too. But I'm not gonna let that outcome be the determining factor of my actions in this universe
FUCK the next life. It can deal with itself and it's own problems, we have our own shit to take care of here.
>>71705443
You're not getting it. As stars burn through their fuel they create progressively heavier elements. This mass eventually comes together to form planets. It's not just "humanz r rokz lol" it takes billions of years for life to take hold.
