Should stealing carbonated sugar water be considered a crime?
>>71649878
this like those stories you hear about where people take a leak in a public ally way and end up as sex offenders.
i can tell you that in my professional opinion and in my professional experience it would be safe to rely on the belief that this dude was a major asshole at some point during this ordeal.
is it right? probably not. but when it comes to the police the bigger the asshole you are the harder they come down on you. if he was polite they probably would have scared him and told him to fuck off.
that's bullshit, even wal-mart lets you steal if it's cheap
>>71649878
absolutely not, another sign of government getting bigger and bigger to put their claws in everything
on the other hand, people who have no qualms stealing little stuff might eventually make the leap to bigger and bigger crimes since they obviously have no regards to law and order
>sugar water
Not even.
It's almost certainly that high fructose corn syrup swill.
>>71650121
^ ^ ^ ^ ^
THIS
My first reaction, too. White manchild gets charged with theft of a cup of soda ... pretty sure there's a good bit missing from the story.
OP always delivering by stripping out all sauce and miscellaneous related info that might infringe upon his narrative.
Robbery implies force. He probably tried to attack or threatened one of of the employees when he was caught.
It'll be reduced in court to simple theft, if not entirely thrown out.
Also, what fast food employee actually gives a shit about this sort of thing? Is it your soda?
I've seen one complaint when this happened, and it was some big fat loud white trash whore with buck teeth. It was like she finally found a situation in life where she had some authority and power, and latched onto it, no matter how frivolous.
>>71649878
>should stealing be considered a crime?
I shortened it down for you
>>71650121
OP deliberately left out the part where the guy dindu nuffin and ran over the manager
>stealing the fizzy jew
>>71649878
I saw a bunch of niglets do this.
He hit someone with his car, dumbasses....
>>71649878
Stealing is stealing is stealing.
Should have one of his hands chopped off.
>should stealing be a crime
I'm going to go with yes.
>>71649878
>Cody Morris and two friends allegedly took soda from the fountain without paying for it, but when McDonald’s branch employees in Springdale, Ark. instructed him to return the stolen property, he left the store to make a getaway in his car, the Sprindale Police Department says. Two employees then tried to detain Morris by standing behind his car, when he backed into one of them multiple times during a scuffle for the keys, according to authorities.
i'm a security guard.
i have to write reports and call the cops on the littlest bullshit.
the job is so technical and exact,there's no room for leniency or personal judgement calls.
a crime is a crime.
>>71652845
>>71650121
>>71650877
Then charge him with that. Bending the law to be "extra mean" instead of enforcing justice just makes me hate the man AND the law.
Should [crime] be a crime?
>>71654307
They should all be arrested.
>>71654428
>t.
I can't believe the manager chased the kid out of the McDonalds and tried to block his car. When I worked fast food I could give no fucks about someone stealing soda. Those fountain drinks cost literally pennies each to the company, the labor loss of chasing that guy down alone makes it a loss for the company. Makes no sense on any level.
>>71654428
>this is what rentacops actually believe.
Please don't be that fuck with the "Storm Chaser" car who works at my mall. It's cringey.
But yeah, the soda's not actually the main offense. He hit two people with his car to get away with it, hence the "robbery" charge for what would normally be petty theft at best.
My family frequents the Micky Dees by our house so often, they don't even bitch, if we take a drink cup that we got from the drive thru in for a refill. Worst I've ever seen someone get it for stealing from the diabetes machine is a tongue lashing from one of the Mexicans working there.
If you ask for a water cup then get soda you should receive a criminal fine and be forced to pay for the soda.
>>71650121
I like the police, they're fantastic understanding people, the courts on the other hand are broken.
I was slapped with a domestic assault charge last year in May, the person in question didn't press charges, but the state did under the "battered wife" statute. He had tried to commit suicide weeks prior, and I confronted him in an effort just to talk with him. He wasn't having any of it and pushed me after running at me arm-cocked which led to 3 good punches of mine. The guy and I get along fine otherwise, he's not testifying, but the court has decided I deserve 2 years supervised probation, mandatory counseling, an anger management course, and have to pay court costs all for my first offense of any kind. Seriously.
The U.S. judicial system is a game of who can stack the most money on the scales. So I'm going to make sure this misdemeanor goes away.
>>71654639
They are they're charging him with robbery since he got violent in his act of theft.
>>71649878
>should stealing X be a crime
>should stealing be a crime
Stealing is a crime, so is assault with a deadly weapon (kid tried to run over the pajeet)
>>71655061
>>71655266
You mean he should get charged with vehicular assault and not robbery...
Law system is fucked no matter how you slice it.
Thanks liberals.
>>71650121
>>71650877
Kill yourselves.
>>/b/
>>71654639
Theft = misdemeanor, taking something of little value
Robbery = felony, taking something by force.
This was petty theft that probably would have been ignored by the police. But then they hit the manager with their car twice. That elevates the theft charge to robbery regardless of the value of the item taken. There likely will be other charges added on for using the car as a weapon but the initial charge is from the event that started the whole thing.
>>71649878
>Should taking things that don't belong to you be considered a crime?
This is why socialism is so popular with the kids nowadays.
>>71655475
>Robbery is the crime of taking or attempting to take anything of value by force or threat of force or by putting the victim in fear.
You're fucking retarded.
>>71649878
Stealing anything that's not yours is a crime
>>71650121
THE HEADLINE IS A LIE
IT WASNT JUST FOR STEALING SODA, THE MANAGER FOLLOWED HIM OUTSIDE AND THEN THE GUY
INTENTIONALLY HIT THE MANAGER WITH HIS CAR.... TWICE
THATS WHY HE WAS CHARGED WITH A SERIOUS CRIME
ITS LIKE WHEN BLACK PEOPLE RESIST ARREST SO COPS HAVE TO USE FORCE THEN THE FAMILY COMPLAINS THAT THE DINDU DIDNT COMMIT A SERIOUS CRIME
>>71649878
Dumb ass, he probably got Coke instead of based Sprite
>>71651174
>>71650877
He hit the manager with his car twice, when the manager confronted him
>>71655710
And like a Darwin advocate he stood there.
>>71649878
Theft is theft, but it shouldn't go on his record. Give him a $50 fine and let it go.
>>71655017
My first job was at a Burger King near Alabama State University (a black school). We had blacks come in all the time, ask for a water cup and then fill it up with cola. You're right that it's only a few pennies but that they kept doing it so brazenly is what pissed off the store manager. He never stood in front of anyone's car (most of them walked over from campus) but he did install a remote control cutoff for the soda fountain. When someone with a water cup tried to get soda, he'd hit the cutoff switch. About half of the idiots would come up to the counter to complain about the soda fountain not working without realizing they were admitting guilt.
>>71655241
>2 years supervised probation, mandatory counseling, an anger management course, and have to pay court costs
it sounds like you tendered a plea...
>>71655475
theft is taking something without paying
robbery is taking/demanding something without paying using some form of force or coersion
he used his vehicle as a weapon in the act of stealing some sugar. Robbery.
If he was just running over the guy and nothing else it would be vehicular assault
>>71655605
No, anon is correct. The law differentiates between theft and robbery. Go look up the law.
>>71649878
Yes, its not free.
>>71655605
You're quite right, it is theft not robbery.
>>71650121
This, one night I was walking home with my housemate piss drunk, and I also really had to take a piss. We saw a sign for a crossfit gym and decided to piss on it, but it turned out the building was a church that the crossfit was held inside. Some cops pulled up onto the curb and my buddy took off while they grabbed me. Was put up against the car, asked some questions, they found a pipe and some weed in my pockets, but I was polite the whole time and they gave everything back and warned me not to do it again. One officer even told me to go 'burn a bowl'
>>71655793
Shopkeeper's privilege.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shopkeeper%27s_privilege
>>71656005
>>71655605
>>71655548
He didn't use the car to rob anyone, dumbasses.
It's petty theft and vehicular assault. Black and white.
Twisting shit to "pile on" charges is exactly why false rape claims even are a thing now.
>>71656225
Your laws might be different. In the US what the criminal did was robbery due to using force.
>>71655241
You're definitely not telling the whole story, you wouldn't get that kind of sentence for what you described, even in the broken US court system.
>>71649878
>robbery
wat
>self-service soda station
That's asking for it.
>>71654245
t. muhammad
>>71652845
>>71650121
>>71649878
I feel like pretty clearly he didn't run over the manager because of the fucking soda, but because of the argument with the manager over it.
I feel like there's a difference here. One is in cold blood, the other isn't.
>>71656323
Doesn't matter. He committed a violent act during the commission of a crime. Play internet attorney all you want, the law is on the side of the restaurant here. It's just like people who get convicted of murder even thought they didn't kill anyone but someone else in their group did. When you commit a crime, all of your actions become part of that crime. The criminal committed a violent act during the same event as when he committed theft. That binds the two together.
I know it's difficult to admit you're wrong but you're wrong. Stop before you make yourself look even stupider... or go to /b/ where they're into that kind of thing. You're not a lawyer. The law does not say what you dream it to say. You are simple wrong. Stop being an idiot and take a few moments on Google to educate yourself instead of acting like a nigger.
>>71649878
He should have been charged with petty theft.
>>71649878
No, but trying to run someone over because you're too much of a jew to pay for it does fall under assault.
>>71656676
>Doesn't matter.
Of course it matters, Sulkowitz. Do the fucking law right or get the fuck out.
>>71656676
And to follow up...
THIS IS ALSO HOW PEOPLE GET OFF ON TECHNICALITIES.
Dumbass.
>>71650866
It's the same thing, goy. Didn't you review the study we funded and conducted ourselves that proved as much?
>>71656668
The law doesn't give a shit. The manager had shopkeepers privilege to keep them there due to the theft. The idiot elevated it to robbery by using force. That's the law here. You can think it is stupid but your feelings don't matter. The law is the law. Engage in violence during a theft and it automatically becomes robbery. Shopkeepers privilege means what happened in the parking lot is still part of the theft event.
>>71656323
He doesn't have to use the car directly in the robbery.
Don't use violence when you're involved in theft.
>>71655831
there's actually a bit more to it than that. for starters, he ordered the water at the drive-thru and then proceeded to go inside and dump it/fill it with pop at the fountain.
THEN he hit the manager with his car.
>>71656768
Robbery is any theft, including petty, plus violence or the threat of violence. You can rob a bank, you can rob a man of his wallet, and you can rob a soda from mcDs.
>>71656831
>>71656902
You're not a lawyer. You're just talking out your ass because you are wrong. Don't worry, your ego will recover. The law is crystal clear on this. Just because you are ignorant of the law doesn't change the actual law. Violence + theft = robbery. End of story.
>>71657007
>He doesn't have to use it directly.
Now you're definitely twisting shit.
>tfw I do this all the time
>go to McDs
>get 30oz bottles and fill it up with coke
>take it to my dirty apartment and watch TV all day during the summer
>repeat
I'm 29 on bux
>>71649878
In the local crackhead part of town here junkies constantly fish empty McPuke's cups out of the trash and then go refill them. McDonald's is pretty much the only place keeping them alive by offering free daily sugar doses
>>71657155
>You're not a lawyer!
Not an argument.
>>71649878
lol he looks like a poor man's justin beiber
>>71656448
There's nothing else to tell anon.
That was literally it.
That was deal they offered me, so I turned it down and now it goes to trial A YEAR after it happened.
Jesus, I've had more than a couple holidays with this man since then and we've sat down and played video-games since then.
Since the court doesn't have a case if he doesn't testify and his friend doesn't say anything, then it will all go away.
>>71657161
No, anon is stating the law. You're just a ignorant of what the law actually says.
>>71656984
The law does indeed give a shit about wether something was done in cold blood or not. It's very often the difference between a charge of murder and a charge of manslaughter.
>>71657272
>Post definition.
>Point out it doesn't fit the definition.
>IT DOESN'T MATTER! IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE DIRECT!
This is why the law is shit. Because of people like you.
>>71657348
This.
Mens rea is a thing.
>>71649878
>>71657161
I'm not twisting anything.
What I meant was during the commission of a theft, physical force will escalate your theft charge to robbery, even afterwards.
That anon is correct, people turn theft into robbery by getting physical.
It happens a lot.
>>71657230
Ok, you're not a lawmaker. The law clearly says "theft + violence = robbery". If you don't like it, go get elected to the state legislature and change the law. whining on /pol/ about someone being charged with nigger tier activities doesn't make those activities legal. The law is the law and you're 100% ignorant of what it actually says. You can stick your fingers in your ears and yell "lalalala can't hear you" all day long and it still won't change the law.
>>71657348
Nope. Not in the relationship between theft and robbery. This isn't a murder case, it's a robbery case. Different crimes, different case law.
>>71649878
I just to say Assholes like him grind my gears.
They walk in like they own the stores refill their old cups and walk out.
And I can't do shit because management is the only who's allowed to contest it.
I just have to stand and watch that smug fucker walk out with free shit, and then mop up after his fucking ass.
>>71657498
>>71657501
>inb4 it gets knocked back down because the charge won't hold
>>71649878
>Sugar
its not even that good its corn syrup
>>71657678
I don't think anyone is debating what could happen.
You just don't seem to understand how it works.
>>71655295
Well, if they are stopping him from leaving an area, without cause, they are committing false imprisonment. So he would be allowed to use reasonable force to free himself.
Not robbery but it is shoplifting.
>>71649878
The one time I asked for a water cup and tried to get sprite I got yelled at by an employee. He literally watched me and said HEY, THAT'S NOT WATER. So I asked him what to do? Dump the shit out? And he tried shaming me (which worked really well because I think I have extremely high moral standards). Never again. Should be drinking water anyways.
>>71650121
I despise public pissers. I work as a security guard and last week I had to step in an alleyway to take a phone call. This old black guy comes through thinking he's gotta piss but he sees me standing there and just pisses himself. I was embarrassed for the both of us.
>>71651174
yeah a small cup of soda costs literally nothing to a restaurant that shit is cheap. most times its the actual cup thats more expensive
>>71649878
>Drinking carbonated Jewish mind control
>>71649878
He should be charged with theft.
Robbery is taking something by force.
>>71657600
Source? Why is it relevant for differentiating murder from manslaughter, but not for seperating theft + battery from robbery?
Can you cite the law in question?
>>71657997
Read the thread.
>>71655598
Should corporations be treated as people and therefore have human, individual based rights?
> Yes, in Amerifat
Should corporations have local, state, federal ties to police and law making government bodies?
> Yes, in Amerifat
Should individual people, have lesser rights, or second class rights, compared to those corporations?
> Yes, in Amerifat
If you pee in a toilet, that is for customers only, is that a crime? are you vandalizing and assaulting their property?
Cola and McDonalds have argued that they broke the law, plainly, and blatantly, and their excuse was, that no one would believe the clearly "joke" messages, saying things like "vitamin water is healthy" or "burgers are good for you" its all BS. Money buys laws, justice fails.
>>71655636
> He probably got GM corn syrup with flavouring A instead of GM corn syrup with flavouring B, dumbass.
See how stupid you look?
>>71654245
Please get out of my country, sandnigger. '-)
>>71649878
>steal 1.2 cents worth of soda from McDonalds
>life without parole
Get your shit together Murica
If he wasn't dirt poor, his lawyer would have rekt this shit and made the fast food chain apologise and offer free shit. I spoke to a guy in the US whose yearly income was $7,000 - people don't get that keeping honest hard working people poor, is the BEST and easiest way to subjugate a population.
>>71649878
You wouldn't steal a free refill.
>>71658383
It was a joke dumbass
Also I just read the story. Why the hell did the employees and manager get into a scuffle with the guy? Why did they try to block his car with their bodies? Why did the manager try to grab the keys?
Fire every single one of them, sounds like everything they did was against policy.
Theft is theft. He tried to get away with shit. He failed.
That said, I would have just told him "You need to pay for a small drink or I'm calling the police."
Hey - it could have been worse. Pic related. Fucking niggers see nothing wrong with this.
>>71657501
we should do an ironic punishment, like force feeding him soda till his stomach ruptures and his entrails go everywhere, that'll teach him. How dare this scum of the earth be allowed in public, he owes society for his crimes.
>>71657155
I am an attorney, former prosecutor at that. You're correct, I would have charged with robbery as vehicular assault without major injuries carries a lessor penalty than does robbery. The other ignoramus can eat a bag of roasted dicks.
>>71649878
At most it should be petty theft. It's a massive waste of public resources to call in the police for something that can be stopped with a tongue lashing.
>>71659509
Are you really an attorney? Would it be possible to add you on skype if I ever need legal advice? Feel free to say no, I understand your time is valuable, but hey, you're already on /pol/
>>71649878
BAN ASSAULT BEVERAGES
>>71649878
Fuck that degenerate.
>>71654245
>t. Hussein al-Baghdadi Saladin Ibn-Mohammad
>>71649878
Fuck off. The title obviously doesn't tell the whole story.
Free refills doesn't mean you can walk up 500 times. The customer needs to be able to read between the lines.
Retards like this are why there are no free refills at any of the fast food places near my house anymore.
>>71656323
If you use violence when stealling shit, it becomes robbery.
>>71657801
Manager never had custody of the guy. And false imprisonment requires you to not be a criminal.
>>71658899
manager's probably getting demoted or fired, but I think it's the whole, drive through for water cups, and then coming in and taking soda that set the dude off.
>>71659838
No. We only need reasonable control on high capacity assault beverages. No one NEEDS 64 ounces of soda.
>>71659998
Can you answer >>71658022
I'm confused here
>>71649878
Did he pay for it? No?
That's theft.
>>71655017
Apparently the importance of not wasting public (or private money) on nuisance is less important than circlejerking about how authoritarianism ALWAYS works...
>>71655017
Most managers are extremely proud of their job and act like they're the ones in charge of the entire franchise
Plus many are autistic. This isn't a joke, bosses in the US prefer autistic kids to be managers in their fast food joints because they're less likely to steal etc
>>71655598
Epic meme.
Do you support a state-owned military? Do you support interstate road construction by the Feds? Do you support the existence post office? Do you support government regulation of nuclear weapons? Do you support public prisons over private ones? Do you believe in the national park service?
All are sustained by what you termed "theft."
>>71658678
Good post.
>>71660084
>I feel like pretty clearly he didn't run over the manager because of the fucking soda, but because of the argument with the manager over it.
>I feel like there's a difference here. One is in cold blood, the other isn't.
US law only now. It only makes a difference on the violence side of the charges. For example, if the manager had died, the crime would probably be manslaughter or murder 2.
On the theft side of the charges the difference is ONLY that he used violence. He attacks a security guard blocking him? Robbery. He slaps a cashier to get her to open the cash register? Robbery. He kicks an old lady who's in the doorway and just being slow? Robbery. He beats the crap out of a guy who calls him a bitch for stealing? Robbery.
>>71650321
Yeah, I've been caught stealing in Walmart. They told me to put it back. Then I left.
>>71661487
I'm asking you for a source for these claims though.
I get the logic behind it, I just don't believe you. For most legal situations intent is very important, I don't believe it's not this way here before I see proof as in the relevant law.
>>71649878
I find it hilarious that this is "robbery" yet you could pay 3 dollars and fill up a fucking cup indefinitely
>>71662363
http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/robbery-basics-33779.html
Intent matters in robbery, as if you intend to cause or threaten violence, but don't actually deliver, it still usually counts.
That doesn't matter here because he actually did violence.
>>71663493
Ah, it does say here
>An act shall be deemed “in the course of the taking” if it occurs either prior to, contemporaneous with, or subsequent to the taking of the property and if it and the act of taking constitute a continuous series of acts or events.
I guess US law is just weird like that
Thanks for the link
