Liberals BTFO
http://redalertpolitics.com/2015/04/30/pizza-shop-worker-loves-seattles-new-15-minimum-wage-finds-cost-job/
>>71645728
As the prophecy foretold
>make minimal wage high
>companies need to fire people to pay other people.
Who thought this was a good idea?
Why does the company have to fire people? There actually is an alternative. They eat the loss. These greedy corporations become addicted to a certain profit margin. The world wont end if they make a little less.
>>71647050
Economic illiterates and those who wish to destroy capitalism.
>>71647402
stop it
>>71645728
>mfw
>>71647050
Liberals and blacks
>>71647402
Did you read the article? The owner of that restaurant isn't just firing people, she is closing that pizza shop entirely.
>>71647402
Or they could just fire him, and hire someone they think can and will consistently shoulder what they deem as $15/hr worth of labor and service?
>>71647402
>they eat the loss
When a company repeatedly takes losses, it ends up bankrupt. I worked delivering pizza and was paid $5 an hour and most of my income came from tips. $15 an hour is unsustainable for certain businesses, especially during slow seasons.
>>71647402
>They eat the loss
You don't realize how companies work, do you?
Those who possess the 95% of worlds treasury don't even know what is a "minimum wage" nor do they know how it will change. Nor do they care.
>>71647568
In this case yes but a big company like mcdonalds or walmart can handle the loss but the ceos are greedy and spiteful so they fire people instead.
>>71645728
Z Pizza is really fucking good too.
I hope they all fucking burn.
>>71647402
Why eat the loss when I can hire an illegal immigrant, pay them half the minimum wage under the table, and keep on enjoying my profit margins?
>>71645728
>thought it would make life better
>free money at the expense of my employer
>biting the hand that feeds him by being a lazy unmotivated piece of shit
>surprised when he loses his job.
Forgot this in my last post. Hope the faggot has to beg.
>>71647402
>. They eat the loss.
Read the article retard.
It was a small business that closed down because they couldnt afford it anymore.
Meanwhile the big kike businesses can "eat the loss" just fine and will just continue to out source.
>>71645728
How dare employees demand a living wage, the corporate executives need their $100 million a year salaries after all.
>>71647402
>These greedy corporations
>Gee willikers, what is a franchise again?
>>71647820
Yes, pizza driver is a very serious position and should pay for an apartment, car and insurance. It's not like it's meant for teenagers trying to earn spending money.
>>71647676
So what you're saying is we should drive everyone but McDonalds and Walmart out of business.
>>71647820
Minimum wage IS a "LIVING" fucking wage. Lower your fucking expectations and enjoy living in a shitty apartment or getting a roommate like everyone else that's worked their way up.
Lazy piece of shit.
>>71647676
So you would rather the only restaurants be multinational corporations?
>>71645728
So companies will only keep the best and hardest workers and faggots that call out or show late will get sent packing. Will actually improve service
>>71647676
okay so the article is about a small business franchise in seattle, where in the fuck do you see mcdonald's or anything like that in this article? stop trying to misdirect the issue with some "hurr hurr big corporations are bad" shit, and focus on what's actually going in
>>71647676
That's just, like, your opinion man.
>>71647820
That is 100% right. Why cant the millionaire ceo take a pay cut? If the ceo of a company is making 200x more than the average worker then thats a telltale sign of cronyism. The market doesnt decide whats hes worth. He does and he has a very high sense of self worth.
>>71645728
>WAAAH My business is shit and nobody wants to eat there so I'm gonna blame it on the minimum wage hikes!
>>71647676
>redistribute the wealth
>power to the proletariat
ok comrade
>>71645728
>liberals digging their own grave
what's new
>income inequality
wait until people realize that this will not change WEALTH INEQUALITY. it will just tax new doctors and lawyers and CEOs to the point that they can never become wealthy. it will only widen the WEALTH GAP that liberals have successfully conflated with the income gap.
>>71647402
fool
>>71647676
Oh so you're just shifting the goalpost because it didn't suit your argument?
>his boss wuz a greedy C-E-O
>oh wait he's not, and he's forced to close the small shop down
>well it would have made sense if he was a C-E-O...
You realize it's mostly the "big greedy CEOS" that can afford the $15 wage, right? The small businesses, owned by your average taxpayers, are the ones getting raped.
A domino pizza or pizza hut will replace it soon enough, so don't worry about your next pizza order.
>>71648000
A large portion of people making minimum wage or slightly higher are over 25. It's not about what's "meant" to be.
The better argument is that many employers can't afford to give the higher wages.
>>71647666
>business owners have no right to make a profit
>>71647402
The only companies that can eat loses are large ones. This bill will force small stores to close and be replaced by Dominoes and Papa Johns, and once those companies and the law drive the other pizza places out of business they can just jack up their prices. All these laws due is increase the difficulty of small business and increase the cost of living in their cities
Maybe in global economy small businesses are destined to die out
>>71647402
>There actually is an alternative. They eat the loss.
That's not an acceptable alternative for a business.
If you want handouts, grab a tin can and hit the street.
>>71648133
this
>>71648285
Maybe this is why globalization wasn't such a great idea for anyone that wants something other than Mcdonalds and Walmart.
>>71647402
>Greedy corporations
>same as a local pizza shop
Fuck off troll
>>71645728
15 $ is too much imo. We have 8.50 minimum wage in germoney
>>71647402
>greedy corporations
Not every business is some giant corporation. Small, locally owned businesses have to pay the higher minimum wage as well, and not all of those business owners are making money hand-over-fist, you dolt.
>>71647402
>tom-hardy-portraying-mad-max-looking-up-pointing-and-saying-this-is-bait.gifv
>>71648375
You cant think that outsourcing is good because it lowers costs and then lament about small local businesses dying out
>>71647676
>we need to kill all small businesses
Spoken like a true liberal
>>71648110
I need more reaction images, imagine a smug pepe with baggy eyes.
Small businesses exist on the wire a lot of the time. They pay employees nearly 10 dollars more than they used to. Say one employee works 40 hours a week, you are losing 400 dollars/employee. If you have a whole delivery staff of only 3-4 people a small business can't stand to lose 1200-1600$ a month.
>>71647402
Why I'll never own or operate my own business: The post.
>>71648285
>global economy needs 15$ minimum wage
Why are you so hell bent on cucking us into oblivion?
If people cant expect to make at the very least a livable wage then what is the solution? More welfare? If you have a job you shouldn't be in poverty.
Minimum wage laws should only apply to companies that employ more than 500 people.
Small businesses dont have the margins to handle it.
>>71648589
I forgot to add, say a delivery man made 5 dollars/hour now they have to be paid 15 dollars/hour.
>15$ wage
>for making pizza
>>71648672
>when reality is shoved in your face
>just keep whining
Liberal's ladies and gentlemen.
>>71648672
>If you have a job you shouldn't be in poverty.
idealistic and incorrect.
>>71648672
Living within your means.
But modern nu-males and femishits have to have their ten dollar starbucks, pot, alcohol and all that good shit.
>>71648722
That's just it, he's not making 15 dollars for making pizza. He's not making anything.
>>71645728
what a faggot
He needs to work at a progressive place like starbucks
>>71647402
>pizza shop
>corporation
I took the bait didn't I
Businesses will bitch and moan as usual like they do every time the minimum wage goes up. Then it will become the norm and everything will be fine because the world was never actually ending.
>>71648672
That isn't true. All work isn't equal. What do you even call "work"? Getting hired can mean anything from a part time job for spending money to an experienced lawyer. $15 an hour kills small businesses while making big businesses kill underperforming stores. They don't fire people because of their "greedy CEOs" they fire people because a small McDonalds in a small Kansas town can't afford to keep going.
>>71648822
Dont forget the yearly new 800 dollar phone, and new laptop and thousand dollar black framed fake glasses
>>71648672
You keep getting btfo.
>>71647402
Not sure if bait or u got no idea wat u talking about nigga. Place is a franchise, not a corporation. If u don't know wat dat is u need to go back to 4th grade. Also she ain't firing people she closing the business. God damn. I'm "black and uneducated" and you look like a infint
surely liberals will learn a valuable life lesson from this...right guys?
>>71648820
If you are in poverty with or without a job then you might as well just not work and live off the government dole
>>71648929
until the economy collapses
>>71648779
>reality is a liberal's greatest enemy
>>71645728
The US is doomed. There are actually a record number of vacant positions, but there aren't enough qualified workers. So all the uneducated and untrained people are working in service and government demanding to be paid more. They do need to be paid more, but they also need to get a real job.
It's actually a real problem because our will mean an end to our consumer society which will mean an end to our reserve status and loss of global dominance. Raising the minimum wage and h1bs are frantic attempts to prop up the consumer society that makes the US a safe place to leave your wealth.
Once the boomers, the biggest spenders, die out this country is fucked.
>>71648929
Businesses should be paying pizza makers at least $100/hr. Greedy corporations hur.
>>71649002
Yes. They will demand a 99 percent tax rate on anyone they disagree with.
>>71647402
>t. faggot Bernie supporter who has never had a real job, much less run a business
>>71648929
Then we'll be back to where we were in the first place and liberals will call for another increase
>>71649025
Nice attitude. Stop and consider for just a moment that you just might be the problem.
>>71647050
Minimum wage plebs
>>71648552
>>we need to kill all small businesses
yup. for every mcdonalds minimum wage employee there are probably several minimum wage small business employees. doubling the minimum is only going to kill small businesses and raise the barriers to entry for new businesses.
In the past the minimum wage kept up with inflation better and the world didnt end? What changed? Businesses got greedier
>>71648589
Businesses fail all the time and there's no shortage of pizza places. Why should I subsidize the wages of this particular restaurant for arguably doing bad business again?
If you search the seattle craigslist there are literally dozens of pizza making positions available that are already able to pay the $15 minimum.
>>71647676
Walmart runs on the thinnest margins in the world.
>>71645728
Seattle is the most fucked up city I've ever seen. It's going to Detroit itself within ten years.
>>71647402
You're a stupid piece of shit. This is about small businesses not huge corporations like McDonald's and Walmart. Guess what, now those guys have NO competition because the little guys can't keep up. So now the big companies make even more money and the CEOs get RICHER.
>>71649056
This is what people dont get. Were declining in quality all over. Its why thrift stores and dollar stores are so popular.
Also why people are building furniture out of things like wood pallets. Talk about 3rd world aspirations.
>>71648722
Yeah man, I'm with you. It's hard work to bust your ass knocking out pizzas all night. But it requires zero education, or training, or thinking. Anyone off the street can do that job. What about all the other people who make less than $15, and have jobs where more than an unsatisfied waits for them if they fuck something up? For instance, a building maintenance tech. If this one low payed guy fails to do his job properly, a boiler could explode, and people could die. And no one cares that he makes $10 an hour.
>>71649263
>hurr Durr you gotta keep raising minimum wage. It's simple hurr.
>>71648850
>he's not making anything
not any longer
thanks to his $15 wage
the entire minimum wage thing didn't even have enough time to gain any traction
like watching a plane crashing right after taking off
berniebots btfo
libtards on suicide watch
what a time to be alive
>>71647676
And then socialists wonder how corporations get big. This is exactly what they're gonna do, and then they'll vote for more legislation and regulations.
>raise minimum wage from 7 to 15
what is this like a reverse self-imposed recession?
>>71647402
>eat the loss
>>71649344
unsatisfied customer*
>>71647666
what right do they have to be paid an extortionate wage?
>>71647402
Fucking retard. They have to shut the whole place down cause the owner can't afford it.
>>71647050
All businesses are owned by the 1% who make millions and billions, they can afford it. 15% an hour is too low imo, should be 100$, how can you put a price on a human???
>>71649351
in 1960 the minimum wage was $1. do you seriously think that is reasonable?
>>71649263
Yeah I'm sure that mom and pop pizza shop is sooo greedy, sooo greedy in fact that they rather close down than paynthat man a "living wage" ;^)
Why not make the minimum wage a hundred dollars
or a hundred thousand
or a hundred trillion lol
Like do these morons understand the cost of living?
>>71645728
As he should. If his employer is so bad at managing his staff and work that he can't stay open then he should close.
>>71646710
fpbp
>>71647676
>Raise minimum wage
>Big companies can handle the lower profit margin!
>All small companies go out of business
>People can now only buy from those big evil companies you were complaining about
>>71648672
I've never seen a stupid liberal get btfo so many times in one thread before, congratulations
>>71649479
what was the cost of living and rate of inflation?
>>71649424
Holy shit that is one smug anime girl.
Why can't shitty small family owned businesses that have a tiny profit margin be able to pay their employee's less?
And something like McDonalds or Walmart with gigantic profit margins, be forced to meet a higher minimum wage?
Why not tie minimum wages to a companies profits? So Walmart and so on pay $15 but not a two person pizza shop
>>71647676
>I only want massive multinations to survive
t. McDonalds CEO
>>71649025
Loser mentality right here folks
>>71648001
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>>71648116
>>71648175
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>>71649317
>>71649358
>>71649585
>replying to this lazy ass troll
I knew /pol/ was dumb, but jesus christ. how new are you idiots?
>>71649677
Because that's called a Planned Economy and has failed spectacularly in every conceivable facet in every location it's been tried.
>>71647402
Everyone laugh at this faggot
>>71647050
Didn't you know that all businesses make literally unlimited money and could afford to pay everyone a thousand bucks a day?
They just don't do it because they're greedy
>>71648446
Gotchu famalam
And another thing. Work at a pizza shop, McDonalds or whatever is what you do when you can't find other work. Or it's what you do while you get educated or trained for a career. Or it's your first job that you get while in school still for gas money. It's not a fucking career. Do these people think it's OK to just make pizza for their entire life? And instead of changing themselves to find better more fulfilling work. They bitch and demand that an entry level position for retards and high schoolers get a non entry level pay. Why? Do they want to make pizza their entire life?
Protip, Millennials... If high schoolers make fun of you at your job, you should find a better job.
>>71649704
why work if you dont have to? why work if its not worth it?
>>71649677
It would be hard for the small business to retain good workers if the employee can make double down the road at Walmart.
>>71649479
Is it reasonable for you to be able to have anything you want because you're a pizza maker?
>>71649677
because then you're penalising companies for doing what they're supposed to do, make money
why would profits change what labour is worth? whether walmart makes a billion dollars in profit or loses money, the cashiers etc do the exact same work
>>71649456
It's not a right. It's just unionization on the city level. If they don't like it they can fuck off to shitsville, red state and pay the slavecucks there.
>>71649479
not today, dipshit. But back then, probably.
>>71647402
>small business owners
>greedy corporations
Hahahaha you economy class failure always crack me up
>>71649826
Because liberals made sure all the blue collar careers were decimated and shipped overseas through EPA regulations
>>71648030
But muh drugs and champagne baths and muh 15 kids because I am too retarded to get sterilized
>>71649998
no it was the free trade bullshit that they pushed.
they wanted cheap foreign shit but sold out our bottom class that would normally do manufaturing.
>>71648672
So you mean a professional dick sucker like you should make as much as a CEO who oversees a business with 200 branch offices and 50000 employees GOTCHA
>>71649358
>brazil has most interesting reply to post
>americans just use intellectualy lazy shitposts and regurgitate the dogma they heard on their favorite talk radio show
this is the /pol/ i know
>>71645728
>Be me
>Making 8.50/hr at starbucks
>finally get real job
>$15.15/hr IT slacker job
>See this shit
I swear to Christ if my state passes a $15 min wage I will fucking go on welfare, because fuck it.
And this is why unemployment will rise under Bernie. Get it yet berntards?
>>71647402
>greedy corporations
most employment is done through small to medium size businesses which can only handle soo much heat before they collapse
not forgetting that clearly you have not ever managed or owned a business. They need to maintain these profit margins or just one small slip will place them in debt, which in turn could kill them.
>>71649499
>my gf currently works for a small business owner
>i used to work for a small business owner (not my dad's company)
>my dad is a small business owner
honestly in my experience small business owners are always thinking about their employees and paying them as much as they can and giving them free stuff and helping them when shit gets rough in their personal lives. it's like a family. once you get into a big corporation you're on your own. a 15 minimum is going to make it so only corporations can compete.
>>71649832
>why work if it's not worth it?
That is the argument used by people who are against having a minimum wage at all.
>>71648094
That's a good joke because a CEO is an EMPLOYEE, he is not the owner of the business. He signed a contract for a salary.
>>71645728
The particularly bullshit part of this is that her pizza joint was classified as a large business franchise and the wage change was forced on her
>>71649832
And there you have discovered the great problem of socialism
>>71649832
>why work if you dont have to?
Government doesn't typically give out free money if you're an able-bodied man.
>why work if its not worth it?
It's almost like your want to live with your mom forever.
>>71647402
nice bait
>>71649832
Not disproving my point, you lazy fuck. How about instead of responding to my insult, you respond to one of the people who have already questioned your shitty logic and utter lack of understanding of the economy? You can't do that though because you're not trying to think about the ramifications of this minimum wage, you're just trying to equate everything to feelings. You're a joke or a troll.
>>71649333
There may be hope, but colleges are just starting to get the memo. STEM programs are in their infancy of reform and they need big changes to keep competitive. And investor confidence has to hold until we start pumping or actually qualified people
>>71647402
>They eat the loss.
Thats not an alternative
thats like saying "you can shoot one bullet" and somehow according to you they should shoot themselves in the foot
>>71650079
Which state is it? If you are a red state won't you be fine?
>>71649603
She's not smug, she's just smiling in the middle of blinking.
>>71645728
liberals will probably pass a law that will made illegal to business to fire the workers and will manage to bankrupt the state in less than a month
>>71645728
What should have/needs to be done is for the government cap inflation and profit, not raise wages.
It would force those kikes in charge to distribute the wealth within their companies instead of hoarding it and reduce the cost of living.
Nobody has the balls to wage war on the CEO's and people with real power so they just keep scapegoating and giving them more wealth and power.
>>71650079
You don't get to just "go on welfare" unless you're disabled or a single mother.
>this kills the liberal
>>71650294
And they wonder why nobody wants to hire someone with a PhD in transafrican nigger studies
>>71647568
If businesses refuse to reduce executive salaries to align with increased WORKER wages then GTFO of the world.
>>71647402
>MAXIMUM (You)s
>>71647676
>can handle the loss
actually no they can't
the average wage at walmart is 9 dollars and change IIRC
if they gave every one of their tens of millions of employees a near double wage hike to 15 dollars walmart would literally go under
>>71647701
This hole is being filled. You have to pay up.
>>71649386
Its like the Berine-light. Sounds terrific on paper, but its so liberally retarded i have no fucking clue why its signed into law.
And whats worse is when the jobs are getting shifted to the designated-outsourcing streets in India, nobody will rethink this lunacy, they'll just go further down the libtard trenches and say "see, typical greedy conservative businesses hate the common worker" and demand their next piece of insane law that further JUSTs America..
>>71647402
THESE ARE PEOPLE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOT SOME ABSTRACT ENTITY.
>>71645728
HOW CAN THIS BE?
HOW DIDN'T ANYONE SEE THIS COMING?
>>71650094
yep doesn't seem to understand how a franchise works
>>71649344
The building maintenance tech is doing something astronomically fucking wrong to only be making $10 an hour if maintaining a boiler is part of his job responsibilities.
Our fucking janitor makes more than that
>>71649331
>slippery slope
>>71650490
Even if you took all the CEO's pay from their respective companies and "redistributed it" to all their respective workers, none of their workers would get any greater than a 50 cent raise an hour you dumb fuck
>>71645728
fucking lmao
when will libcucks take high school economics?
>>71650079
>15 an hour
>real job
Lmao. how's being poor?
>>71650457
Good thing being illegally here qualifies as a disability to democrats
>>71650107
the thing is most people will suddenly quit if another place offers to pay you 10 cents more. nobody cares about community. there is no community. all people care about is making an extra penny. no one stays long enough to feel like family
>>71647402
I'd call this bait but this is the same exact argument I've heard repeated over and over again.
>>71650852
I'd leave to if all the "community" would give me is min wage lol
>>71649722
The worst part is there are people who honestly feel that way. I hope you've never met these people, its awful.
>>71650586
>don't know how it's signed into law
Seattle passed 15 minimum wage, brought to you buy the same people that passed a $25 per gun tax every time you buy a gun and a bullet tax to "pay for gun violence".
These people are not sharp.
>>71650800
>having a paying job is not a real job
nice try projecting fat ass NEET faggot.
>>71650800
Working a sit on your ass slacker job?
Probably pretty good desu. No stress, watch torrented movies and read all day.
>>71649499
desu that was mom and pop pizza was a franchise so the process got sped up for them
>>71649832
You know, cocksucker, I bet that sounded real fucking smart in your head. But it is not the way life works. Poor people, with no education, and no skills stay poor. They're not going to one day, wake up rich. They're going to live an unfulfilling life, full of turmoil and strife. They're going to wake up every day, and do the same thing. They're going to eat the same thing day in, and day out. And then, one day they will die, and that's the end.
Let me ask you a question. What do you think personally the meaning of your life is? Why are you here?
I'm here to try to make a mark on this world, and be remembered after I die. I want to be able to leave something for my family when I'm gone.
I've worked as a contractor my entire life. And there has been many times where I had to go out of pocket on a job, and lost money to finish it. I had a contract, and my word saying I would finish the job. So I did, and I lost money. It sucked, but I've fixed that issue in my bidding so I no longer have my jobs go like that. Meaning that I grew and learned something new. It's not stupid, or gay, or lame to stick by your word, even when it costs you money.
It is stupid lame and gay to sit at home waiting for your little government check so you can go out and pretend like you have something. You have nothing. And you're a slave. Stuck at the bottom for your entire life, surrounded by nothing but other losers.
Is that what you want?
>>71647402
That's going to be a no.
>>71649477
easy you go to the black market and ask for organs or slaves , you need to understand that in the capitalist world everything in life has a price on it.
>>71645728
Any new stories like this?
I'd think the new comedy will be the realization is that it will take 6 years to finally hit $15, which in that time they could have gone through a trade school or completed a degree and make twice as much.
>>71647402
I'll keep eating that cost until I go bankrupt.
>>71650800
It's called middle-income mate
>>71649325
Wait until you see what will happen to California after 2023 because if that dipshit jerry brown. I'm already trying to get a position in Arizona with my company to get out of this place.
>>71651148
Take it to Facebook, lady.
>>71645728
OMG one pizza boy lost his job!
>Well there you have it. Proof that the system doesn't work!
lol fuck off you plebs. You might like the idea of being brainwashed into thinking that its cool to bend over and get fucked by the system, 1%, your owners. But not all of us are faggots like you.
>>71651148
>Poor people, with no education, and no skills stay poor.
Why don't they just make money. It's not hard to at least give it a good try.
Save up a few thousand and start a small business.
>>71650107
I've seen this behavior in every small business I've ever worked for.
>problems can be solved by eating them
American thought process
>>71650720
No it's not you moron. I didn't imply a string of events, I implied one thing leading directly to another.
>>71650907
They don't realize that most companies actually operate on thin margins. They see that shit about record profits but don't know or care where the money is really going to. The rich are greedy quickly becomes business owners are greedy in their eyes.
>>71651329
If your final straw for leaving California didn't already happen at least 10 years ago you're liberal cancer too
>>71649267
You're right in that regard, all I'm saying is that though the policy may work for some places it doesn't for others. That's just capitalism and competition and I don't have a problem with that, I just find it funny that some workers who complained about this are getting laid off by a policy they pushed.
>>71651361
Poor b8
If you're economic plan is so sound, then maybe you should actually refute the argument
>>71649352
yeah, except now we have to pay for his $15 an hour unemployment checks with our taxes...
soon only the wealthy will work, the rest of us will be welfare slaves. meh, seems sustainable.
>>71651361
>being fucked by the government is better than being fucked by the corperations that own the government
>>71651376
Name 3 things that can't be solved by eating
>>71648000
Pizza drivers in some areas make almost as much as servers. People are just greedy as hell and when their pizza bill comes to $30 they dont want to spend any more on your tip.
>>71651361
Not an argument
>>71650150
>not realizing that leftists actually shill against the best paid employee class, for the shareholders
Topkek
>>71651361
No a whole shop closed down faggot. Learn to read.
>>71651385
>I implied one thing leading directly to another.
which is what slippery slope is
>>71651361
t. liberal faggot
sent from my iphone.
>>71647402
>They eat the loss.
No they don't, fuck off.
Nobody has to put themselves into debt because you demand it.
>>71651420
If you think the entire state of California is nothing but liberals you might be a fucking retard.
>>71647402
This is some of the best bait I've seen in years.
>>71651622
Last time I checked NorCal doesn't get to ignore the Handgun Roster or the insanely high income tax/sales tax just because they're not specifically liberal.
>>71650462
What a shitty graph
>>71651597
Are you fucking stupid? This is a serious question by the way. I said A will cause B. Slippery slope is A causes B which causes C which continues until Z.
>>71648427
But Germany has much stronger labour unions.
Though I find labour unions preferable over a minimum wage.
Sweden iirc doesn't have a minimum wage at all, just very strong labour unions.
>>71647676
McDonalds and others are currently testing self serve machines for roll out. They will not take any loss as they need to hire few and fewer people.
>>71647402
he ate it alright
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>>71651602
>they're falling for it AGAIN
>>71651361
>Thinking businesses don't run on thin margins.
>Thinking you can point a gun at mathematical equations and make them work out the way you want
>Think you create economic prosperity through the barrel of a gun
The pizza place isn't the financial elite nor are most business for that matter. The free market is efficient therefore businesses that don't have liberal government protection run on razor thin margins.
>>71647402
>They eat the loss.
They never will.
And that's why you need governments to tell people what to do with their businesses. They'd make slaves out of everyone if you let them.
>>71651698
Last time I checked having to pay those things doesn't make you a damn liberal.
>>71651622
Frankly, the less North and South CA think of Central, the better.
>Except water, we really want Sacramento to remember us whenever water comes up
>Our land is so thirsty
>So thirsty
>>71651768
I'd start eating McDonalds on a weekly basis to support the living of those machines.
#SiliconLivesMatter
>>71650382
How do you know? What anime is she from? I need to confirm for scientific purposes.
>>71651789
poor b8 0/10
>>71649056
>aren't enough qualified workers
This is because IQ tests for employment are not legally viable due to muh racism. Guess what, most of these "qualified jobs" don't actually require a college degree, they require average intelligence, and the only way companies are able to reliably judge this without standardized testing is through college success.
We need to get rid of this meme that if you didn't sell your soul to the academic Jew, you aren't able to do entry level office work.
>>71648094
CEO is a very highly skilled position, they don't just take people with no experience and let them run a multi billion dollar business. It's like the quarterback, peyton manning makes what he makes because nobody else wins games and superbowls like he does. Peyton manning's salary justifies his success. If he lost a bunch of games they'd bench him and not renew his contract.
>>71651779
>thin face
>fat body
This looks so weird.
>april 2015
>>71648030
Try running your goddamn mouth like that in CA, you dumb stupid hick.
>>71651597
That's also wrong, you nigger.
It was an argument for causation.
Slipper slope is not if A then B implied.
It is if A then B then C then D.
Also
>points out Anons fallacy
>Is using arguement from fallacy themself
Kys burger tier education
>>71651886
mcdonalds is still shit food for fat asses.
even with that its not worth going there.
>>71651938
it's what happens when you eat too much as an ectomorph
>>71651817
This has got to be bait.
In the free market this is impossible.
>Company X doesn't pay their employees a reasonable wage in comparison to the value they create.
>Company Y comes in offers company X employees higher pay
>>71652030
Virginia has stand your ground and saying that is in no way inflammatory. You can go #BLM with Trayvon in hell too degenerate bitch.
Who the fuck wants to live in a shithole like CA anyway?
>>71652117
the idea is that you don't reply at all you fucking moron
>>71651374
hope you're not being sarcastic. when my dad randomly has a good month he hands out bonus checks. there was one guy he bailed out of jail twice. he does a cookout for everyone on fridays. it's pretty much his life. if i had to guess he's paying around 13/hr (26k/yr) but guys make more by working more and he only makes about 150k/yr.
>>71651148
>I'm here to try to make a mark on this world, and be remembered after I die.
I'm here to not give a shit, why do you think you will be remembered? There have been people that have accomplished great things, cured diseases, designed technological advancements that have made life better and saved some lives, but in the end they are not remembered they are worm shit as you too will be.
>Have minimum skills
>Have minimum ambitions
>Have minimum efforts
>Expecting to make a "living wage"
Get a roommate you lazy fucks and learn a skill people will actually want to pay you a good wage for.
>>71650720
>I'm retarded
>>71645728
In 15 - 20 yrs robots will have replace humans in these industries anyways, which will be at 1/100th of where they are today in popularity. By that point in the future, fast food will be scorned and practically illegal. You will have to purchase Monsanto's latest GMO "pastes" at your local street side vending-machine, which shall be the main form form of food for common pedestrians, while the elite get to indulge on the once normal rarities like fruits, vegetables, meats, etc.
>>71647402
Just hire all women, then you only have to pay them $11.70 an hour.
It will still go bankrupt because they're shitty employees and there won't be anyone to lift heavy objects/open jars for them. But it nasty last a few weeks longer.
It really reaches a new level of stupidity that this was even passed as legislation, you don't even have to have studied economics whatsoever to realize that this would be the result.
Either dangerously stupid people are running the show in seattle or they've been pressured by retarded leftists to pass this nonsense.
Any more instances of this happening?
>>71645728
>well to be honest not all pizza shops can close down, there will be a new equilibrium and he will find a new job for more money [spoiler]while spending more too lel
>>71648215
Of course they have no right to a profit, that's why thousands of business close every year.
>>71647666
>yes, workers should have no rights, and are merely replaceable objects
And how the fuck is the business going to stay afloat if the people who own it can't afford all the expenses?
>>71647402
And this is exactly why you'll never run a successful business.
Neato. I wonder if liberals will also boycott businesses that replace their employees with robots.
>>71649479
A brand new mustang in the 60's went for $2400-$3000
Yeah, $1/hr was fine for 1960.
>>71647402
>These greedy corporations become addicted to a certain profit margin.
corporations eat the loss
mom & pop stores are on thinner margins and can't
>>71652685
Ofcourse there will, even a child can understand that people who can only pay their workers minimum wage, and having that minimum wage double, their businesses will now be more or less unsustainable.. their wage expenses have doubled without their profit increasing.. net loss..
Fucking burger leftists, they're starting to rival the dindu's in stupidity.
>>71647820
BUT IT WON'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE, ONE GUY SHOULD BE ABLE TO MAKE 100 MILLION A YEAR CAUSE WHEN YOU DIVIDE IT AMONG 50,000 EMPLOYEES THEY DON'T MAKE THAT MUCH MORE AN HOUR, THAT MEANS IT'S OKAY THAT HE MAKES 100 MILLION A YEAR
t /pol/
>>71650724
[citation needed]
>>71647402
I've worked at restaurants that had business boom in certain seasons, maintaining that wage even during the slow season is just bad business
>>71651799
Most don't run on thin enough margins that increasing the hourly rate for an employee will make any significant difference. Most of the "cost" of an employee to a business is outside of their salary.
The problem is jewish accounting practices where business aren't "profitable" but somehow everybody gets paid, everything gets maintained, shareholders make money, the business survives minor shortfalls, the business expands, etc.
>we can afford $15/hr if shareholder profits go down .1%
>FUCK YOU DIRTY GOYIM GIVE ME MY SHEKELS I'M CALLING A SHAREHOLDER MEETING OY VEY VOTE THESE DIRECTORS OUT
>>71649832
LOL holy shit
We have come full circle gents
>>71651911
In many ways colleges have led to this mess. Instead of doing an apprenticeship that may have included college, you go to college, do whatever you want, and how there is a job waiting for you. While a degree might give you knowledge, it doesn't qualify you for most positions. Studying engineering and becoming an engineer are two very different things.
And that doesn't even scrape the number of people who don't even try to get trained/educated or just drop out
>>71651886
kek
>>71647820
Haha idiot, raising minimum wage only hurts small businesses.. who have to close down cause they can't afford to pay their workers that much.
>>71652981
>one guy
>ignores the fact that he manages the entire fucking business and is responsible for the success and failure of that business.
>ignores the fact that without him 50,000 people would go jobless
nice try retard.
>>71652981
why should people be poor? is this canadian shitposting?
>>71645728
>posts article that's nearly a year old.
>Pol doesn't even notice.
>nobody reads past the headline.
>comments on it like it just happened.
Always stay oblivious, pol. Never change.
>>71647402
excellent b8 anon proud of you
>ITT communists keep moving the goalpost
>>71652631
kek underrated post
MUH 77 CENTS!!!
>>71651742
>>71652036
higher minimum wage causes smaller businesses to go out of business because they can't keep up which creates less competition for corporations which creates more money for corporations
sounds like A then B then C then D to me
>>71653186
Shhhhh, don't reveal the secret. Some people have to be ignorant so others can bfto then.
>>71647402
Bernie voters everyone
>>71653240
Why does the timing matter?
Liberals.png
>>71647402
>poor bait
>endless (you)s
Wew lad
>>71647402
All those (You)s, Outstanding m8.
>>71645728
>http://redalertpolitics.com/2015/04/30/pizza-shop-worker-loves-seattles-new-15-minimum-wage-finds-cost-job/
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>71653378
If it's a fallacy you should be able to easily point out where that line of thinking is flawed
Just crying "muh fallacy" doesn't automatically invalidate it
>>71645728
Working in a fast food joint isnt for anyone over 20. Maybe now this sap will get a real job
>>71647402
Oh austr...
Nvm, it's just a nigger posting.
>>71653029
It's basic math guy. Take the CEOs salary and divide it by the number the company employs.
>>71652851
Only niggers and neets could think minimum wage being higher after inflation since 1960 is unfair
>>71650462
That graph doesn't make any sense
>price is high when supply is high
>price is low when demand is high
>price goes up when supply goes up
>price goes down when demand goes up
>make living wage $15
>people get fired and businesses go because of it
>prices will go up
>back to square one
Keep this shit on the west coast, I want to see it implode.
urgh mother fucks don't understand business owners expenses arn't regular folk expenses.
average lets say 600 a fortnight in expenses for regular folk.
business owner expenses is more like 10,000 a fortnight.
>because of the lack of understanding these are average hypothetical numbers do not conflate job types seperate them out and each has different expenses you can't put an average on this ..
You mofos think your food comes from a grocery store.
>>71653976
>everyone leaves West coast
PLEASE
Print more !! MORE I SAID MORE !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yeah that's rite goy !
>>71650720
Imbecile.
>>71648929
Wellllll higher wages result in a higher price level, which increases the cost of living. Which means that the new minimum wage isn't enough. And the cycle repeats until the entire system collapses.
>>71645728
Liberal here
I never thought how 15 an hr could kill small businesses. But i was never for 15 and hr im really for 10-12 n hr.
At the same time though most small businesses restaurants especially are family owned or they only hire illegals. So the wage hike wont affect them too much anyways.
>>71653976
>increase minimum wage
>less people in poverty(=less taking handouts and leeching of government.)
>more PP, more taxes payed
>State has more income, can afford a tax cut
>cuts taxes of small businessess. Businessess get their margins back.
>Everyone wins.
This is what happens when we act like businesses can actually afford to pay all minimum-wage employees twice the amount they have been paying them.
You are not meant to make a living on minimum wage. If that were the case, there would be no reason to not work the easiest, most skill-less jobs out there your whole life.
>>71653378
So we already have A B C happening and I'm saying now that D will happen. Minimum wage was raised. A small business couldn't keep up. Big business now has less competition in Seattle. That was given by the article. Thanks for answering my question bud.
Also, here's a pro-tip, argument from fallacy is also a fallacy. Just cause you think I'm using one (I'm not) doesn't disprove what I said. Find an actual flaw in my logic instead of spouting crap that doesn't have any relevance.
>>71654398
you are playing with things you have no comprehension of and are annoying militants.
Do you want to continue y/n ?
>>71653966
>completely forgetting the other variable
You never did science did you?
>>71647402
Oh America I will always love you.
>>71654398
>At the same time though most small businesses restaurants especially are family owned or they only hire illegals.
Is that really what you think? "Most" small restaurants commit tax fraud and pay all their employees under the table? You can't be that dense.
>>71647402
I totally agree with this. Did anyone actually read the panada papers? These corporations are hiding there wealth in offshore accounts so they dont get taxed. But at the same time they claim they have no cash to pay us more.
If it wasn't for the minimum wage most companies most people would be working for pennies an hr like in china.
>>71654417
Except that's not what happens and the article is an example.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ6q1a6aDbA
>>71645728
Fucking cunt owner bailed before even giving it a shot because it was afraid it would lose too much money. Greedy fucking cunts.
>>71654524
>If that were the case, there would be no reason to not work the easiest, most skill-less jobs out there your whole life.
Except getting a nice car, affording a holiday and taking a trip, eating well, getting a nice apartment or even a house, making savings...
Just because you can live off of minimum wage doesn't mean you don't want to make more money
>>71654695
We're talking small businesses here, not corporations
>>71645728
Stop saying BTFO it's stupid
Also I live in Seattle and we still order pizzas therefore there are still people making them
You people are retarded
>>71654680
Actually yes I do. At least here in Chicago.
>>71653966
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supply_and_demand#Microeconomics
I'm kind of surprised, finland. You're all alleged to be so well-educated.
>>71654723
Stop trying to argue with mathematics like you do with the children this is the real world.
>>71647402
restaurants have razor-thin profit margins, which is why a $15 min wage is enough to put mom and pop places out of business.
>>71654779
Millions of liberals complain that they want minimum wage to fucking DOUBLE so they can live off of it. Do you think those people are concerned with actually advancing themselves? Think about that.
>>71654695
Or, you know, do the smart thing. Lower the corporate income tax to a reasonable amount(Right now it's ~35% of income). Lots of european nations are around 15-20%.
That would be substantially less incentive to move money off shores.
BUt no, instead fuckers want to increase it even more. Sure. Let's increase it to 50%. Then corporations will move their HQ's and lots of jobs to a place that's a bit more fair with their income tax.
>>71647666
>Announcing a report
Enjoy your ban.
>>71654850
Well I'm here to inform you that your perception of how "most" small businesses are run does not equate with reality.
>>71647676
>literally arguing for the regulatory regime to be even more biased toward multinational corporations
Kill yourself.
>>71654831
My point is still vaild. But not rasing the minimum wage your only dont what the corporations want. Keeping their costs low and profits high. On top of that most companies wont even hire a person full time anymore. They will hire you part time so you dont get health benefits and especially no overtime.
Corporations are fucking the American people so hard and no one seems to care.
>>71653378
but there is no chain of events. The article shows that the wage hike caused places to closed. There is now de facto less competition. Therefore the local pizzahut gets more money. There was no reliance on future events. It has already happened.
And he'll be replaced by an illegal immigrants who doesn't have to be paid minimum wage
Our cuckoldry is different from Europes, but Americans are just as eager to self immolate for the benefit of the Browns it seems
>>71655016
Why will the American people allow that? If a ceo moves his compaines away from America why not boycott his brand?
>>71654565
>quantity
Quantity of what? The product? The supply?
The demand?
Regardless how I look at the graph it's wrong
>>71655154
WHEN YOU SPEND MONEY AT GIANT MULTINATIONAL CORPORATIONS HOW IS THAT "sticking it to the man" ??????????
Why don't you instead go to a small local business and support them.
Instead of demanding their owners are unable to pay their expenses and siding with what you call evil multinationals?
How can you square those two beliefs?
>>71651539
Famines.
>>71655314
Because it won't stop production, it won't stop consumers that are uninformed or just don't care.
That's the problem with today's society. They don't care. They wont' boycott or anything of the sort. At least, not enough to put a dent into things.
Also, it is probably still more profitable to sell to a small margin than deal with an even higher income tax.
>>71655314
Because they still want the product and don't care about some guy they don't know losing his job.
>>71655222
Many americans have been made poor by leftist policies, and their first desperate instinct is to scrabble for whatever they can get.
In this case, it's the faggots offering free shit.
At this point, each political office, the candidate that offers more free shit will be elected again and again. The coffers have been opened and it won't end until collapse.
>>71645728
serious how are liberals so fucking delusional? what is inflation? Bernie will gib everyone free moneyz and college and healthcare and gibz how's he going to afford it though?oh right
>>71655154
Ever stop to think that raising the minimum wage is also what corporations want?
Small businesses, the only real competitor of major corporations, will go out of business as a result of a minimum wage hike. Therefore forcing people to spend their money at the larger corporations that can barely sustain $15/hr.
>>71647676
Your job at Walmart/McDonalds is not worth minimum wage as it is. No one said you should make a career out of putting things on a shelf. When you now must be paid even more, companies will find a way to just do away with that job. In the case of McDonalds 80% of their stores will be cashier-less within 5 years. That is roughly 500,000 jobs which are no longer needed, and sped on by the whole raising the minimum wage
We wont even touch on how more people spending more money actually increases prices of everything
>>71655639
like Norway does
>>71655587
you putting dents into things "fighting the man" has driven small businesses to close and low income workers out of the work force.
>>71647666
You have rights.... to go find another job.
>>71653966
You need to consider the supply/demand lines as laminations of the whole supply X demand space.
>>71655810
I don't see how boycotting WalMart and fast food chains in favor of small businesses would force them to close.
>>71649722
You seriously are economically retarded if you believe that all companies are living on extremely high profit margins. Hell even evil spoopy oil company Royal Dutch Shell nets only a 10% profit at the end of the day. Sure it is billions but do you know how expensive that industry is to be in?
You dont. Everything in the oilfield is ungodly expensive and companies have to be innovative to stay competative.
>>71654097
Nah, that'd assume they actually had the sense to build up a nice savings account to relocate and not lose all their money to taxes and apple products.
>>71645728
Employment is too important for the nation. It's a national security risk to have high unemployment.
The Government needs to step in soon to avoid economic Armageddon in America. They need to take control of businesses to regulate them and to get a better understanding of what goods and services this country needs. The government can then create new jobs for people based off what our nation really needs, not what some billionaire thinks we need to avoid wasted resources the private sector is squandering.
>>71653073
Umm, no, employees are the biggest expense for most companies.
I'm also much less concerned how this will effect the large corporations then the small the medium business.
>>71655922
oh my mistake I thought you where arguing in favor of minimum wage increase.
>my post more applies to liberal economists in general.
boycotting is good don't spend your money at giant corps.
>>71650457
Well, he can cut off his dick, go on hormone replacement therapy and adopt a Somalian.
BAM! Single mother.
>>71647790
That is a BS talking point. There would be no benefit for large companies to outsource if the US was competitive. Sorry college drop out programmer... you actually dont deserve 60k a year because you know Java and C++, Raju in India knows the exact same things and will do it for a bit under 40k
Its not my fault I didnt hire the American. Its the Americans fault for not working for a competitive rate
>>71655784
we're a relatively small community without a lot of leeches
>>71656002
>The Government needs to
Stop right there. The government needs to get out to avoid economic Armageddon. I'm not saying business should be without regulation, but to have the government force and plan an economy in this way is dooming everyone.
The people have the need to fight back, not the government. The only way to get this into the people's heads is for them to suffer consequences of not caring.
>>71655587
This if Americas wanted there jobs back how about stop buying micheal Jordan shoes or dell comptuers or kia motors. But Americas are too stupid to know how easy it is to get things they want. Martin luther king made enitre bus companies crumble in a matter of weeks. Americans don't understand how powerful we are.
>>71655784
Norway depends on massive state-owned oil industry, which significantly limits their growth.
>>71647820
Minimum wage paying jobs are not meant to be fucking careers. If that is your career in reality go fucking kill yourself, you are a burden to society and everyone around you. Dont ask for more money. Ask for a handgun and 1 bullet
>>71650049
Manufacturing in this country used to support a family on one income but those faggots were so jealous they spent 60k on a Womens trout poetry degree to earn 40k they felt it OK to fuck my industry. I feel no sympathy for the oversaturation of their market via cheap govt backed loans to welfare daycares.
>>71652335
Except if you ever had a desire to actually learn about who invented something it would take you 3 seconds to look it up and learn their name, and likely learn about who they were as a person as well if it was something significant. Somebody who never owns a business or does anything significant is truly lost to time.
>>71655716
I could see this being true but no mom
And pop shop is a compettior to walmart. The only reason mom and pop shops are even open is because you have to vote to but certain franchises in a town.
>>71655337
please tell me youre trolling
>>71649477
All businesses WILL be owned by the 1%, anyone who wants to start a business will have a hard time hiring anyone because they need to have them generate so much utility.
Less new business can become succesfull
>>71656215
I'm impressed that US right wingers have convinced even someone in Norway that their own system is unsustainable. A larger country means proportionally larger revenue to pay for programs.
>leeches
Get off /pol/ for a while.
>>71656275
You're grasping at straws. We have the means, just not the political will.
>>71656246
Problem is once again
>niggers
>>71656435
THe reason mom and pop shops are even open is that they provide a service that bigger corporations don't care to provide.
That's a more personal service, usually more unique items/food. Unfortunately mom & pop grocery stores are a thing of the past. Which is a shame because they always had the most interesting sales and some of the coolest items. Mom and pop pharmacies are next in line.
>>71645728
$15 an hour only hurts small businesses and pushes people towards working at dead-end corporate chains.
>>71655337
Think long and hard about what happens when the curves move.
>>71654417
Let's go through your points, shall we?
>less people in poverty(=less taking handouts and leeching of government.)
Wrong, as minimum wage hikes always lead to layoffs and even some small businesses closing, like in the OP.
>more PP, more taxes payed
>State has more income, can afford a tax cut
Are you so ignorant and naive to think that a state or the feds would reduce taxes just because tax revenue increased? Literally when has that ever happened?
>cuts taxes of small businessess. Businessess get their margins back.
And what were those businesses doing during the few years it would take those fantasy tax cuts to take effect? See: My first point.
>>71656662
it is not unsustainable. It simply relies on goodwill and work ethics.
>>71656662
>You're grasping at straws. We have the means, just not the political will.
This is not an argument.
>>71656662
Things like geographic area, population density, and demographics matter a hell of a lot in determining economic policy. It's much easier to maintain socialist policies in a society that is five million people.
With 320 million, only half of whom participate in the work force, there are an enormous amount of people that need to be supported by the other half.
Saying "larger country means proportionally larger revenue" is horse shit. Expenses increase at a much faster rate with a group of people that is sixty-four times larger but significantly less efficient.
>tfw my favorite local owned pizzeria will probably go under if this cuckery comes to my state
>>71656703
First off im black. And Everyone owns a pair of js i ONLY buy js. But i feel bad because i know that some kid in a sweatshop made it. If more Americans were against this i would boycott this with them but they are not so i mide as well look fresh for the bitches.
>>71656662
>A larger country means proportionally larger revenue to pay for programs.
>what are diseconomics of scale
Like 35% of Americans receive welfare and that's not including social security, medicare, etc.
