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Bernie fan here. We aren't all college kids looking for free shit. I'm in my 30's and run a mildly successful business. I like where I am at in life; married, own my house and own my business. It took a long time and a lot of risk and pain to get here. I like Bernie because I look back at how risky everything I did was (and still is) and feel like if I had that sort of safety net - no debt burden from school, healthcare taken care of, etc - that my journey here would have been much more secure and easier to accomplish. If others had this safety net, who knows what we could accomplish. I am an optimist to a fault, what can I say.
That said, Hillary offers me nothing as a candidate. I have been told I am a white male several times by Hillary supporters and each time I say who fucking cares. Bernie didn't pander until recently and I think it dawned on me finally just how shitty identity politics is and I want nothing to do with it. I think our issues are economic, not racial. Not saying there aren't racists because there sure as fuck is. But we can't fix minds, we can fix economics. I was going to piss away my vote for Stein but part of me respects Trump for not gobbling corporate dick and generally pissing off the establishment. This cycle I think I am turning into a single issue voter: money in politics. I know Trump isn't taking money from these assholes, but does he plan on doing anything else about it? I admit I don't know much more than dank memes and whatever shit the media is spewing out today.
Also, if I may suggest, be nice(r) to the Berniekids, if you can nail this issue I think Trump will siphon the independents the democrats are pissing away and take this thing. Bernie supporters are getting fucked hard by the establishment and that means Trump is the only one left pissing in their eyes. I might just do it. Not sure if this is a question or rant, but here is my copypasta of feels.
>>71635432
>That said, Hillary offers me nothing as a candidate.
That's because you make less than 8 figures.
>I think our issues are economic, not racial.
It's both.
>>71635432
>we aren't all looking for free shit
>entire rest of paragraph listing free shit you wish you had in the past
Ok breh
>>71635633
Except I pay my taxes and have no problem paying for those things I want
>>71635432
>Bernie fan
>run a mildly successful business
I r8 a modest 3/10, try harder next time
>>71635432
Come home white man. The progressives don't care for you.
>>71635432
bernie fags dont create businesses they create gender neutral bathrooms
>>71635432
I hope you client base finds out you are a socialist and feel entitled to THEIR money and they all leave and you go broke and your wife leaves you and muslims rape your children
>support bernie
>small business owner
doubt.jpg
>>71635432
+5 cents
You're the type of shill who goes on omegle and checks peoples privilege.
>>71635432
>I feel like if I had that sort of safety net
>that my journey here would have been much more secure and easier to accomplish.
And that's where you miss the point entirely. It's not supposed to be easy to accomplish what you have done. It's supposed to be hard. People need to work for success. It's supposed to be intimidating to take a step like starting a business and there needs to be the possibility that it will all go horribly wrong and you will fail. That demotivating factor is meant to prevent people who have shitty ideas that won't work from wasting a bunch of time and money on something that's gonna fail. If it's someone else's time and money (the government's money in your little utopian welfare state) then there's no downside to being wasteful for the individual.
And the money to pay for all these failures you're creating and nurturing will have to come from people who are smart and succeed and work hard and don't fail.
Why don't you see how cancerous and naive your ideals are? Unless this is just bait.
What the fuck is with these Bern victims they gush long drawn out blogposts in some delusion that anyone gives two shits. Who are they really talking to?
>>71635924
Yes, you're very generous with everyone else's money.
>>71636601
I don't know what this even means. Honestly I am fishing for a serious Trump conversation.
If you guys want to elevate the meme candidate to the meme presidency, you have to be a little more inclusive.
Going against Hillary should be easy for any normal Republican but Trump has a higher unfavorability than she does. This gap needs to be overcome and I'm letting you guys know that that gap could be filled with independents that are getting screwed by the Democrats. I'm not here to talk social issues, Bernie isn't happening and I've accepted that, so I will turn on what I care most about next: money in politics. It's a huge issue Hillary is on the wrong side of. Be on the right side
>>71636892
YOU ARE A WHITE MALE WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU VOTING FOR LEFTISTS THAT HATE YOU.
>>71636892
>I'm not here to talk social issues
Then why bring them up faggot?
>>71636686
Nah, I get this argument and all of my peers, for lack of a better term (chamber of commerce) are pretty much the same way.
I look at it this way: if the government paid for healthcare through income tax, I would not have to bother with it, it is my employees problem. Granted I only have 1 guy working for me but I can't pay him any type of benefits at this point in the business.
Even a universal basic income - the first 3 years of this I was living on <3$ / hr. That is money I could have kept in the business, rather than scraping by for myself, and have had it grow faster initially.
Sure, tax rates would increase, but honestly I just cut a check to the IRS for $17,000 and I get literally nothing in return (save for roads, etc). What's a little more for that safety?
>>71636892
But to address campaign finance: he has been incredibly critical of PACs and even said he doubts that they don't directly communicate with the campaigns and vise versa.
>>71637029
Well they are brought up now I guess. Seriously, will Trump do anything about money in politics or just not take it? Either way it's a plus for me, but if he had a strong stance on ending corruption I would flip over to GOP this cycle.
>>71637314
No, seriously. Why do you vote for the left? They hate you because you are a white male. They want to smite you. They want you to be ousted from your position as a boss in your company, to be replaced by a brown man.
>>71637314
You literally brought them up in your first post OP. But he has talked about it, not sure if he has a plan for it. Though he'd be kind of limited in what he could do, that would largely rest with Congress.
>>71637314
When they see you, a white male who is the boss of a business, it angers them. They want to drag you down.
>>71636892
>money in politics. It's a huge issue Hillary is on the wrong side of. Be on the right side
What would you like to see done on this issue? I'm genuinely curious. It seems the only solutions (which we see right now) are a completely independent billionaire maverick who can self-fund his own campaign and a Commie who gains small donations from massive amounts of disgruntled middle class types who think they deserve a bigger slice of the government cheese and Mr. Commie is promising them that.
Secondly why is it that a huge industry like Energy shouldn't have a huge say in the politics that potentially affect it. When you own a huge corporation that has a literally measurable effect on the country's GDP, shouldn't you be able to use your own money to try and make your voice a little louder than some homeless nigger asking for more stamps?
>>71637172
>What's a little more for that safety?
>a little more
>Paying for literally every homeless nigger without a job's healthcare is just a little more
dude... I don't even comprehend your logic. You already pay so much and work so hard only to have it siphoned off you. How can you be this big of a cuck? You need to relearn the meaning of the word "I".
>>71637533
I've always been a lefty but never a business owner. I graduated in 09 when the market went to shit, couldn't find a job so I decided to gamble on a business rather than a graduate degree. Paid off, but it seems like we could do more to foster small businesses. I had no access to capital, no safety net and honestly had to break several laws just to get where I am now. I grew up as a minority (Washington DC) so I've always prided myself on not giving a shit about race and trying to help all people.
The Democrats this cycle have been very shitty and I am questioning my lefty faith I suppose. I supported Bernie because I felt those social programs would elevate all of us, but I got shit on for being a white guy. I suppose I have never seen identity politics first hand and Hillary is basically running her whole campaign on it. So ya, I guess I'm dealing with some political shit and typing this out anonymously is helping. I can't discuss politics in person as a business owner, someone always takes offense.
>>71635432
Yeah cool story read a whole sentence of this shit
The thing is no one actually gives a shit about your personal opinion on Bernie
Do you know anything about a fact based dialogue?
Your feels are not considered a valid argument, just guessing that you go this way like everyone of you scrubs
>>71637690
I would like to see a more European style of campaign financing and shorter election time frames. I am not saying they don't deserve a voice, it's that their voice is drowning out all others. I work in an industry where the big guys are actively pursuing an agenda I that goes against my core principals (I suppose Net Neutrality but the big guys are shitting all over it). I don't have a say in this, my congressman won't even return my phone calls.
I do like the idea of public financing. Yes, I know it's taxes but if tax payers are funding it, I would like to think this shifts their focus back on the all and not the few.
>>71637948
I hate to break it to you but human beings are emotional creatures. Politics isn't exactly a hard science
>>71638411
He's right though NO ONE cares about why you're for Sanders, it's completely irrelevant.
>>71638501
Ok, then let's just talk about campaign money and Trump. A few people asked me questions, I answered. Context sometimes matters when trying to relate to other people.
>>71637928
Thank you for your response.
Well basically, Trump is team white people. Everyone else is attacking us.
I know it is hard to see, but as white people, we are kind of in a dominated position. You see, the minorities are more prone to aggression. You call a white person a cracker, not a big deal right? The white person wouldn't get that angry. But you call a black person a nigger? You will have your ass beat. Whites in general are more of a soft touch, and when you add these minorities to a white environment, they dominate.
Now this brings me to the Trump phenomena. You might mistake black peoples anger at Trump as a legitimate outrage at white racism, moral indignation. This is false. When you see groups like BLM angry at Trump, you want to know where this anger comes from? Tribal rage. They are dominating white people currently, and Trump is a guy standing up to the bullies essentially. He is saying, 'no more, we will not be pushed around', and this angers the blacks because they want to bully us into the dirt for being white.
>>71638411
We can have emotions thus our emotions are a valid argument
>implying your emotions can change math
>implying your emotions got anything to do with science
>implying your not a nigger
Jesus just kill your self, no one loves you
>>71638667
>>71638726
Co-founder of 'Black lives matter'.
>>71638667
And I've said he has spoken about it, but not said any solid plans about what he'd do. And again, he'd be limited in what he could do, any reforms would largely be up to Congress.
>>71638730
You are very angry anon, I am loved and love my life. Try understanding where people come from, I am reaching out to Trump supporters because I think we have a some things in common.
>>71638855
I've seen this before and I can't defend it. It is a double standard and there's nothing I can do but walk away. How would Trump curb this kind of behavior? If I posted that I would be ran out of business.
>>71638726
I've never thought Trump a racist to be honest. I can see why and how his words get twisted and why some racists might flock to it, but that doesn't mean Trump is. Honestly I doubt the wall would ever be built but if he puts forth a solid path toward legal immigration while enforcing illegal immigration I'm all for it. We were all immigrants at some point.
>>71639282
Wow this arrogance
This self righteousness
Nah kill your self
>>71639282
>I've never thought Trump a racist to be honest. I can see why and how his words get twisted and why some racists might flock to it, but that doesn't mean Trump is. Honestly I doubt the wall would ever be built but if he puts forth a solid path toward legal immigration while enforcing illegal immigration I'm all for it. We were all immigrants at some point.
That is my point man, even a sniff of white people acting in their interests makes these people blow up. They hate it. They hate you, as a white male boss.
>>71639282
>How would Trump curb this kind of behavior?
By giving us (white people) the confidence to not be bullied. The main thing I like about Trump is that he is shifting the Overton window towards white people not being self hating cucks.
>>71639282
>If I posted that I would be ran out of business.
This is the problem we are tackling here.
>>71639282
It's people like you that enabled indentity politics ideologues. Go fuck yourself.
I can't understand why so many people want a president that has no support in government. Sanders and Trump, and probably Cruz too, they wouldn't accomplish anything other than show people that it takes a dictator to get things done.
>>71639610
How did I enable it? I am willing to admit I may have been wrong in the past, but I have always only voted to equalize the playing field. Money is the game and we need some rules to keep it fair. If we have gone full retard in one direction, let's change it.
>>71639585
Thank you, this is what I have been thinking lately but I don't know how to talk about this in person. I might just quietly support Trump because I don't think I am able to come out of the closet in person.
>>71639880
I look for leadership in candidates, I got burned by Obama and I know it's suicidal to admit it here, but he was a shitty leader. When this election goes to the general I will be paying close attention to what Trump is doing in regards to congress. I think a good leader would support campaigns that follow his agenda and promote the shit out of it. Think back to Gingrich's deal with america in the 90's. They formed a solid message, the promoted the shit out of it and they followed through. I didn't care for much of the agenda but I can admire strong leadership when I see it.
>>71640173
>Thank you, this is what I have been thinking lately but I don't know how to talk about this in person. I might just quietly support Trump because I don't think I am able to come out of the closet in person.
All the best to you fellow traveller.
>I'm in my 30's and run a mildly successful business
Get the fuck out of here. Any business owner knows how fucking retarded his tax plan is.
>>71640494
Or that it wouldn't impact me that much because I am not the type of business he is proposing to increase taxes on. It would affect my personal income taxes far more than the way I file my business taxes.
>>71640173
>I got burned by Obama and I know it's suicidal to admit it here, but he was a shitty leader
Where do you think you are? We fucking hate Obongo.
>>71635432
Young guy here trying to build my own small successful business.
I don't need more regulations & associated costs getting in the way of me escaping wage cuckery.
Fuck you.
>>71640173
>Thank you, this is what I have been thinking lately but I don't know how to talk about this in person. I might just quietly support Trump because I don't think I am able to come out of the closet in person.
You might be interested in this video also man. As I remember it, the discussion is quite relevant to you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfZhyjxRt4Y
>>71640173
>Thank you, this is what I have been thinking lately but I don't know how to talk about this in person. I might just quietly support Trump because I don't think I am able to come out of the closet in person.
Such is the nature of the left. They will eat you alive, ruin your business and laugh heartily as your children go without because of daddy's wrong think. Regardless... Welcome brother. No. We aren't all racists and bigots, we only want to maga
>>71640627
Honestly there aren't that many laws and regulations that get in the way. I admit I have skirted the law a few times because I couldn't afford it, but I also see the necessity in some of them. I work with radio spectrum and it is governed by the FCC. If anyone could just hang up some equipment and blast shit on any channel they wanted, it would be the wild west. I pay some fees to the FCC but the return I get on that investment is far greater.
Granted, it's a niche of a market and I can't speak for other types of businesses, but I have not felt any real major hurdle to doing my business other than previously being afraid to do it.
Go for it anon, be free
>>71635432
Wow, finally a burger without the crazyness. You are right, identity politics is a cancer everywhere but too many politicians were punished by medias for ignoring the issue so now it's political suicide to not pander to communities (minorities like hillary or whites like Trump).
Bern is wrong on one thing though, redistribution isn't the only way to reduce inequalities, what matters is to PREVENT inequalities, meaning giving the tools to anyone to succeed and not just in name. And that means changing education, not just opening it. Adding formations for adults, trying to reach every corner of the population to create a qualified workforce and, more importantly, stop being ok with the fact there is "good" schools and shit schools, every child need a good education giving opportunities or you can't act surprise when they go bad
>>71635569
Shut it hans, hes talking about the us not your cuck of a nation
>>71635432
>mildly successful business.
something like the John Kasich of businesses? a fail in any other words
>>71635432
>thinks issues are economic.
Bites Bernie. The whole reason you have a successful business is capitalism.
>>71635432
Bernie supporters will make or break this election one way or the other.
Should be interesting to watch. The decomratic party has completely alienated a large portion of their voter base who want Bernie as their nominee. Can't wait to see how it plays out.
>>71635432
>Bernie fan here
stopped there
have an anime image
>>71641339
I can respect this. I think we should all have access to the tools needed for success and that should elevate the whole. There is more than one way to skin a cat, and if we fix inequality before it begins I do think this is a much stronger solution.
>>71641696
It's the internet, I'm not going to pretend I'm a millionaire but I have paid off my business debts, pay myself a decent amount and am growing at a consistent rate. Mildly successful.
>>71641841
To be fair, Bernie isn't anti capitalist, and clearly neither am I. I am against the pooling of money that we currently see at the top. From what I have seen, for capitalism to function properly capital must flow. Right now, capital is being horded and shipped outside the US, this cannot be good for the long term.
>>71635432
Fuck Bernie Sanders. He had his chance to make his campaign about issues. He decided to get personal and allow his dumb ass surrogates to run wild with innuendo and ugly negative attacks. Fuck him. Fuck him in his sanctimonious senile face.
>>71635432
Hey, anon, have you checked out Trump's economic policies? You may be impressed if not.
>>71643086
Ya, we lost. I've accepted it. No use blaming the media or the DNC, the only recourse I have is to turn against the DNC and Trump will let me do that.
I gotta go but I wanted to thank the Trump guys who gave me the time of day. If it's Trump v Hillary, he's got my vote.
Be cool to Sanders supporters. I know their feels are raw but if Trump taps into that rage I think he can take the crown. We have a lot more in common than you think. Goodluck
>>71635432
I don't believe you.
>>71639880
I actually support more people who I think won't get things done. Hillary Clinton will only get things done because she is bought by the same people as everyone else in Congress. So, bailouts, media consolidation, and so forth all would go through like greased duck shit, while people argue about identity politics bullshit.
>>71635432
>TL;DR:
JUST KEK MY SHIT UP
