Red-pill me on ww1 plz
>Be Germany
>Start World War
>Surrender
>Butthurt about surrender terms
>Start another World War
>Surrender again and be occupied
Now you know anything about WW1 and WW2
An alternate timeline exists where France capitulated at the marne and Europe's golden age never ended
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rape_of_Belgium
>>71631944
there really isn't anything to be redpilled about. Everyone was in the wrong in this case because they all failed to communicate effectively
I guess could argue about the jewish communist uprising afterwards were part of a big conspiracy
>>71631944
>Be Hungary
>Be oppressive authoritarian shithole and fuck with Serbia constantly
>Have heir to empire killed by revolutionary cell
>Go insane and basically demand full integration of Serbia into Hungary
>Serbia refuses, a bunch of allies invoke mutual defense deals
>Continent is devastated and creates breeding ground for WWII
>>71632007
You're making it hard for us to be friends
>>71632007
austria, serbia and russia started the war
>>71632007
it could have been avoided if you didin't start the French revolution and liberalism
>>71632284
and the italians are the worst allys ever
>>71632007
Pretty much this lol
Oh, and according to the germs, it was all the archdukes assasin's fault loool
I don't care I'm a trump supporter
>>71632007
see >>71632284
frog fag BTFO
One big Germanic Chimpout
>>71632336
Tell that to south. The north kept fighting until all our military was gone
>>71631944
http://www.johndclare.net/causes_WWI1_Blackadderversion.htm
>>71632007
>Butthurt about surrender terms
>literally destroyed the country economically
these terms were impossible.
>>71632342
this, fucking Serbs
>>71632426
>This ally comes from the north, shoots down and enslave our people, fucks our women, takes away our products and then we have to fight hard to support them
Italy did alright I guess...
>>71631944
may it was the fault of some germans i think there family name was Sachsen-Coburg und Gotha
>>71631944
We shouldn't have got involved (USA either). Should've let Germany knock out France quickly.
>>71632210
>The Hungarian Kingdom
>Shithole
pick one you illiterate nigger banknote using meltingpot of degeneracy
>>71632615
What were the alternatives? France and Britain backstabbed us in WW1. Germany annex Austria and was right at our northern border.
Where we supposed to become Poland 2.0, fuck over by all other nations?
>>71632685
And then the UK, so that this anon could happily serve his german overlords with 56 work hr weeks while eating bread crusts.
>>71632627
n-never heard of em...
>>71632853
Wouldn't have happened. Germany would never been able to defeat the Royal Navy or invade Britain successfully. We would've still had the empire.
British foreign policy has been to prevent a power dominating the continent. Germany was certainly the strongest in 1914 but it wasn't as powerful as Napoleon's France.
Attempt by inbred Anglo aristocrats in the UK to halt Germany's growth and belief in technological and social progress.
You see, Anglos were butthurt that not only were they starting to lose their Empire, but that Germany could rival them economically without barely any colonies on their own.
In the end, the Anglos failed. They lost their Empire and became American and EU cucks.
Er strafe es.
>>71632933
>>71632627
Daily reminder that if England had had universal progeminature at the time of Victoria's death, Wilhelm II would have been both German Emperor AND King of Britain and war could have been avoided.
>>71631944
Rothschilds happened. Like the Napoleonic wars they needed another war to get more control. Guess which nation was the most butthurt at the time and was iching to get some respect back again when they lost horribly to some island monkeys.
It wasn't Germany or Austria
![latest[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/RkdYpee.jpg "latest[1].jpg")
>>71631944
Germany formed in the late 19th century, immediately begins trying to destroy Europe by building up a massive land army in Europe because it sucks at colonies.
Finally WWI happens and Germany officially begins trying to destroy Europe
Germans lose, everyone recognizes their unwavering commitment to destroying Europe and prohibits them from getting a military
World distracted by great depression and Germany uses the opportunity to build another massive land army on the continent and try to destroy Europe again
Germany loses yet again. Instead of leaving them unsupervised, America sticks around to force them to behave
Germany knows they will never be able to destroy Europe while America is around, so German Marxists head to America to poison it from the inside.
America successfully pacified but military remains intact, so instead of building an army, they invite one in while Frankfurt school German marxists pump poison into the American media to tell the military to stand down
Campaign is wildly successful and Europe is finally destroyed, ending WWI with a German victory.
>>71631944
Royal families fighting amongst each other.
>>71631944
What is there to red-pill, the war started because all the major powers of europe wanted it. The assassination was merely a pretence for casus belli. The brits treated their grunt soldiers worse than soviets treated their own soldiers in ww2 and the reason officers had guns was to shoot their own soldiers for not suicide charging.
Thanks Germany for destroying and killing a generation of young white people... fucking faggot.
>>71631944
Bunch of Christian goys being forced to die for royal blood. Bunch of nationalists who want to remove royal blood. That's it. But nowadays Christian goys will tell you it was about "we", because "we" made decisions to fight, when it was rich royal blood who gave commands to divide lands between each other. If there wasn't Socialistic nationalists like Southern Slavs(Yugoslavia), Germanic people(Nazis), united Chinese tribes(China). Russians(Soviets) and so on, those Christian goys would still do nothing but praying, speaking only German across Europe and not being allowed to study anything but royal ass wiping.
>>71633286
> Muh Rothschilds
Man I wish I was 16 again
>>71632284
This.
The french revolution was the first jewish sabotage of the white countries.
>>71632007
Thank you for the history lesson Professor Blattstein.
>>71631944
Power struggle between the empires that got out of hand, and no one was willing to step back after the horrific losses of the first two years.
Germs chimping out, nothing too extraordinary tbf
>>71633513
kek hard
The only thing i can really fault Germany with was their idiotic emperor sending Lenin and his gang of jewish bolesheviks back to Russia to start a revolution.
>>71633475
I'm twice that age and I still find evidence of jewery in both wars Hanz...or dare I say, Goldberg?
>>71631944
Long story short:
>Lack of large-scale wars between European powers in the second half of 19th century leads to unrealistic expectations of Napoleonic-style warfare still being viable on the battlefields.
>Ruling monarchs of Europe are being a bunch of retards, and lock themselves into alliances that lead to a completly unnecessary war.
>Everybody thinks it's going to end in a year.
>It doesn't.
>Germans get BTFO.
>French lose their military spirit forever.
>Russians destroy one of the few sensible governments they've had in centuries. They install genocidal maniacs instead.
>Americans win.
>Poles are happy, because they stay out of the fighting for most of the war, do some guerilla shit in the end (and some backstabbing as well), and emerge as an independent nation once again.
>>71632210
I understand you are American and therefore retarded, but for the enlightenment of others:
1. It was the Austrian Empire. Hungary's kingdom was controlled by them and was not in charge of its own foreign policy. The Hungarians tried numerous times to become independent and the agreements between the nationalists and the government were often broken by the Emperor.This is why the Hungarians eventually broke up the empire after WW1.
2. Franz Ferdinand wanted to create a pan-slavic state in the Balkans. He was assassinated by Serbian terrorists who wanted Serbia to control any pan-slavic state.
3. Bosnia was being improved by the Empire and the Emperor wanted to reform land ownership so the native slavs wouldn't be serfs to muslim landowners anymore.
4. Austria's demands were very reasonable and you can actually look them up. The demands were in a nutshell: "do not propagandize against our empire in your public institutions. Arrest radical terrorists. Allow our police to arrest and extradite terrorists in your borders". Nothing about military occupation or annexation. The Serbians refused to allow Austrian police jurisdiction on their land, which meant that all they were willing to do was pay lip service to Austria.
Yet another continental power fancies itself master of Europe and yet again deludes itself with fantasies of its own invincibility due to various spurious reasons. And once again Britain has to come in and form a coalition to kick their shit in.
>>71631944
>Bosnian Serb assassinated Austrian heir with full consent of Serbian government
>Austria understandably becomes belligerent toward Serbia
>Russia backs Serbia
>Germany backs Austria
>Austria issues ultimatum, Germany declares first person to mobilize is gonna get dicked
>Serbia rejects ultimatum due to Russian prodding
>Russia mobilizes due to Austrian belligerence
>Austria DoWs Serbia
>Germany DoWs Russia and France
>Europe gets exactly what it has wanted since the beginning of the fin de siecle, a World War
>War ends, Germany held accountable for everything despite the majority of the fault laying on AH and Russia
>No one profits except America, Jews and Japan
>>71633790
>No one profits except America, Jews and Japan
and the italians who betrayed dermany in the war
>>71633790
>full consent of Serbian government
Going to need a source on that m8, i thought he was an anarchist.
>>71633682
>Literally allowing a foreign country's police to have jurisdiction in your land
What kind of cucked...
>Leaf
lol, that explains it.
>>71633916
There is a huge difference between cooperating with foreign police, and annexation, dumbass.
/thread
>>71632007
>French flag
Fuck off tyrone
>>71634032
Fake and never happened
>>71631944
Europeans killing millions of Europeans for no reason.
They had the world and decided to throw it all away.
WW1 is the saddest event in human history, it was the beginning of the long slow painful decline of the west.
>>71633682
Franz Ferdinand: interracial integration of all races under his royal guidance with dynamic(conquering) borders, speaking only German. Same as Tsars.
Socialism: recognition of multiple cultures with multiple languages, static borders.
>>71631944
Franz Ferdinand was upset his last album didn't do so good so went on this mad tour round Europe saying that England should holla at him and shit and we were like cool whatevs bro but then some Slav probably called igor or Piotr or some shit was like fuck you nigga and shot him straight up so the Austrians were like fuck yo country and rolled on those motherfuckers with Germany backing them up and the Ottoman Empire giving them things to sit on then everyone else got involved and it was a bit of s shit show and France tried to do the typical frog thing of avoid conflict at all costs and tried to bury themselves in a place called ned Flanders (fun fact that's where the Simpsons got it from) to avoid a fight but inadvertently invented trench warfare and everyone hung out for a bit shooting at each other and had a game of football on Christmas Day to celebrate the birth of Santa but then black adder said fuck this noise broseph and went over the top on his own and beat Germany with his bare hands then went and chilled with a queen and had a pint
>>71633121
>>71633210
I'll add to this.
WWI can be seen as the apocalypse. Really, the apocalypse for Western civilization.
The West (Europe and the USA) controlled most land on the planet either directly as colonies or puppet regimes. The West had a growing economy, ever more integrated trade, and the colonies were developing nicely. Good infrastructure was being built in Africa, India, SE Asia, etc. A Euro-centric world order was established and becoming more and more entrenched.
WWI was the beginning of the end for all that. It set in motion the financial situation that would lead to decolonization. When WWI started, everything unraveled. We live now in a post-apocalypse. Technology has improved, the world's moved on, but the world order created at the Congress of Vienna collapsed. After WWI, the world order created and maintained by Europe utterly collapsed.
After WWI, European powers were significantly weaker. Following WWII, the once rulers of the world were relegated to being satellite states of the USA and USSR. Now the last remaining true Western power is an offshoot- the USA. Think the Byzantine Empire as a remnant of Rome.
WWI was a cataclysm that led to the decline of European civilization. We don't look at it this way often enough. There's also the dysgenic effect. The most patriotic, motivated, and vital youth of Europe were slaughtered in trenches. Conservative, orderly societies depend on that strain of young man to carry on traditions and build on the foundations established by earlier generations. By wasting that youth by fighting one another, Europe was left with radicals, cowards, and the unfit as the driving force of the young generation- at least in greater proportion than they otherwise would have had.
WWI was a tragedy, and not for the reasons we're taught.
pic related is a similar observation about WWII.
>>71633890
Italy didn't benefit in the war as much as you think. They were pretty upset with the dealings at Versailles.
>>71633910
Crown Prince Alexander, king of Serbia and the future Kingdom of Yugoslavia, was an avid financier of the Black Hand which was led by a top Serbian Army colonel Apis. The Serbian Prime Minister disavowed the assassination, but Apis half-heartedly attempted to stop it, but didn't really. He pretty much let it happen on purpose. Alexander funded the assassination. Wikijew because I'm short on time and too lazy to pull up academic journals that you wouldn't even have access to anyways: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Hand_(Serbia)
>>71634401
>They were pretty upset with the dealings at Versailles
yes they cried that they didn't got as much as france got
>>71632426
See 4 days of naples on jewpedia
>>71634000
>Suppress any publication which incites to hatred and contempt of the Austro-Hungarian Monarchy
Literally asking them to throw out free speech because, as before, they're an authoritarian shithole who can't handle criticism. Accept that they're at fault and stop defending such a shitty country.
>B-b-but they have the right to demand that individuals in the government and military with opposing views should be removed
No, they don't.
And again, some of the shit they wrote, such as 'propaganda' is vague as fuck.
>>71634550
And about their immediate economic implosion
>>71631944
Just Germany being Germany....
>>71634588
>he thinks fucking anybody fought in WWI to defend free speech
Go check out when the espionage act was passed senpai
>>71634401
They wanted the war, Franz "racemixer" Ferdinand imported Slavs into Austria and made Hitler leave. Later on Hitler took away royal loot when he joined Austria with Germany.
>>71634608
the war wasn't the cause of the italian economic crisis
well the war may made it worser as it already was
>>71632807
>France and Britain backstabbed us in WW1
They probably didn't trust you after you betrayed Germany and Austro-Hungary.
>>71634743
>>he thinks fucking anybody fought in WWI to defend free speech
Absolutely nowhere did I imply that, reread the conversation.
>>71634855
You implied their reasonable claims had to be rejected because they were unreasonable abridgement of free speech in opposing countries.
You really think that had anything to do with their rejection whatsoever?
>>71633121
but Germany, we ARE anglos (we were then atleast).
>>71633417
to be fair Germany has a pretty great track record when it comes to ruining things for white people
red pill me on hungary
>>71632615
Germany had the popullation and the industrial capability to surprass the British navy. They basically managed to build an even navy in a couple of years
>>71631944
wwI?
just a little family dispute.
>>71633475
If you don't believe the Jews are behind both world wars you are not in the right spot here and not red pilled at all.
>>71635057
Anglo Jews mix with Anglo Christians, they were trying to do the same in Germany. Capitalists Christians nowadays get Jew married too in USA, to secure the Jew business. Socialists wanted everybody to marry to his own race. Of course we can't talk about Jewish race nowadays, since they are so mixed they are disappearing. Even back then you had many different Jewish races, but Hitler didn't care about those outside Germany.
>>71631944
>Be not Serbia
>Provoke Serbia
>Get destroyed
>>71635426
You lost 30% of your total population bro ...
>>71631944
WWI was the elimination of the final bastion against the central banking cartel's hegemony over the world. Autocratic aristocracies of Europe. There's a reason why WWI started within a year of the Federal Reserve being established in the US.
It doesn't matter what side a faction was on, the big losers were the monarchy nations. Germany, Russia, Austria, Italy, Ottoman, The Balkan Kingdoms.
Also, learn about the Balfour declaration.
The Entente powers were ready to sue for peace in 1916. France was losing badly at Verdun and had lost badly in Champagne. Britain had lost badly at Gallipoli and was losing badly at Qut, even though they were holding on the western front. Russia was smashed by the Gorlice-Tarnow offensive that almost took them out of the war. Unrestricted U-Boat warfare was starving Britain. It was bad. The negotiations were to put national boundaries back to where they were before the war started (reasonable).
Then a delegation of bankers approached Britain. They said they would fund Britain and France and their counterparts in the central powers would defund the central powers. The only thing they wanted was Palestine when the Ottoman empire collapsed.
This same delegation showed up at the post-war negotiations at Versailles with the contract. Nobody except a small group of the highest echelons of British politics knew about this contract. Europe was stunned and felt completely betrayed, not only by the bankers, but the Jews (The Banking delegation was almost exclusively Jewish). Germany felt especially betrayed since Germany and Austria had been a haven for Jews fleeing Russian and Slavic progroms. Both German and Austrian militaries had Jewish officers.
This, more or less, is the reason for the extreme distrust and even hatred of Jews in Europe throughout the 20s, 30s and 40s.
2 years and millions of extra casualties... for what? A shot at Palestine.
>>71631944
Here's a brief but accurate summary of German history
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ztOV2wrrkY
WW1 is explained at 3:26
>>71631944
someone posted this just a minute ago:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8OmxI2AYV8
I haven't had the time to cross reference or look further into it.
>>71635197
After WW2 all those children slowly got their property back, which is one of reason why we have this situation and wars all over Africa, Arab lands again. Maybe it will catch up to Europe again too, but only after they ruin everything and move to Asia with their money.
>>71635497
Whats your point? Better to lose a 100% of your population then to live as a cuck , would do it all over again.Not a single serb regrets this
>>71633357
>by building up a massive land army in Europe because it sucks at colonies.
Literally the most prosperous colonies in Africa
Their colonial military stands as the only group to never see defeat in The Great War and was also the only army to march all the way back to Berlin to stand down.
The Great War was started because England and France couldn't stand the idea of a unified Germany or that it had replaced them both as a world power so they wanted to wipe them from existence.
Now kill yourself for hating the greatest empire to ever exist.
>inb4 naming some other shit Empire, Roman Empire was garbage and The Republic wasn't an empire
>>71633357
what a twist
>>71633475
I really don't get it.
> Wars is at the behest of and for the profit of the powerful, it's what they are about...
Agreed?
...yet
> OMG! A WAR FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE RICH AND POWERFUL! CHECK THIS CONSPIRACY NUT OUT!
What the fuck do you think wars are about?
please.
explain.
WWI was a mistake. No one in Britain and France cared about Archduke Franz Ferdinand. I think the country most responsible for "getting the ball rolling" or triggering the series of geopolitical events that led to WWI is France. France was a butter country after the Franco Prussian war but importantly, the foreign policy of Germany under Bismarck left France without a major continental ally and mainly isolated. The league of three emperors had collapsed in the Balkans and the triple alliance was formed shortly afterwards. So that meant the only major continental power for France to ally with was with Russia and this alliance with Russia put Germany in a very difficult situation that was not realized by the government of Wilhelm II until at least 1912 or 1913. It placed Germany in a situation where if there was a future European conflict that Germany would have to fight on both sides and it was pretty clear by 1913 that the German war ministry was concerned by the rear mam entry program in Russia. I am forgetting a name but there was a conference in 1913 by German imperial war ministry that hinted that if a conflict were to occur it would be in the best interest of Germany to act first and act before the arms program in Russia was fully completed but not until the German navy was upgraded by the request of Moltke. And in my opinion this explains this fear explains the reasoning behind the Schlieffen plan. France ' alliance with Russia set up the dominos so that if any one of Germany ' allies were heading to war, Germany would have to act first before either France and Russia. Also it's important to note that Germany gambled that Britain would have stayed out of the war and they should have. I think it's completely possible that WWI would not have happened if the league of three emperors had not broken up or if Britain could compel France not to seek an alliance with Russia. But the last scenario is doubtful as France was bitter and paranoid of a future german atck.
>>71633417
>Germany
Nice delusion you got there m90
>>71635513
I disagree that the Jews had dominion over key global institutions as early as 1914, I think that's more of a recent phenomenon and that the cause for WWI involves a lot of variables; nationalism, German ambition and the inferiority complex of Wilhelm II, and the entanglement of alliances created with the failed 'balance of power' system.
I don't think Jews really gained control till at least the 60s.
>>71635925
Well, you're a cretin
>France is evil for being scared of Germany to the point of allying with Russia
>Germany isnt evil for being scared by the Franco-Russian alliance to the point of....starting a world war
>>71635971
>invade every European countries
>start murdering civilians in every country
dude...
>>71633682
>leaf
>calling America retarded
ok
>>71635925
No england was scared to see the german navy so they bring france in the conflict
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ztOV2wrrkY
>>71631944
the austrians were the jews of both world wars
>>71635165
Good guys who throughout history were fucked over by literally everyone.
>>71633484
No, it wasn't. I hate this meme most of all. It was obviously the dissatisfaction and disenfranchisement of the starving peasants that led them to revolt, and the revolution was then dominated in various stages by men who thought they were fighting for the revolution (Robespierre), the conservative and nearly reactionary Directory, and then the also-conservative, but ambitious and popular Napoleon. The revolution was a force that was channeled by various men, but it found its roots in the monarch's bankruptcy and the starvation of the peasants. Not 'da joos'.
>>71636090
>Germany
>Scared by France
The opemly declared war on both Russia and France at the same time, and they won Russia and were stomping France and Britain combined.
>>71633663
Nicholas II was a reactionary bud, and definitely not a competent monarch
>>71636199
Nah,France brought Britain into the war. If you hadnt allied with Russia WW1 would have just being Germany slaughtering slavs.
>>71636090
Germany should be scared of a Franco Russian alliance. They devoted a lot more of their resources to defeating Russia than the western allies after the failure of the Schlieffen plan. You actually need to take a look at the documents of the German commanders. It's not a matter of who is evil you fool. The Germans were already speculated "how far can we get into France so that if France does not capitulate we will have the upper hand defending against two sides." The Germans were terrified of a Russian french alliance simply because Russia could draw pretty much millions of troops.
>>71636311
Germany have a long tradition of getting rekt by france only germanboo here ignore that.
Spain too btw
>>71636311
>and were stomping France and Britain combined.
Until the moment they lost
>>71635426
>Be Serbia
>Be a minor country that thinks its a great power
>Want a Panslavic Union
>Kill the most important Pro-Panslavic political leader, because a Panslavic Union that didn't involve Serbia would force you to come to terms with the fact that your country is irrelevant
>Start WW1
>Get massacred
>Allies go on to win the war and you get rewarded for being their pet
>Having been basically gifted an empire, you proceed to abuse the authority
>All other Slavs hate you
>Empire falls apart
>Be third world shithole
Serbian history 1900-present
>>71636052
Read about Kuhn and Loeb's (One of the most powerful wallstreet banks at that time) funding of Trotsky and revolution in Russia.
Read about the consolidation of media by large banks (the Jewish controlled ones) during WWI after the Balfour declaration to get the population ready for war. There are some great books about the history of banking in the US from the 1880s tho the great depression. There were wasp banks and Jewish banks. The Jewish banks were more powerful.
>>71636384
No sorry it's a fact britain declare war first and ask for french to respect the "pact"
>>71636420
Yeah that's why France got curbstomped into submission by Prussia right?
>>71636242
There is a reason Socialism didn't allow religious politicians.
Jews = royal blood = Jesus blood. Christian kings descend from Jesus the Jew and they fought for Jews, they always do, they want to unite all humans under Christianity, without borders, without races, just one Christian mestizo race. They done a great job in USA.
>>71631944
Wilhelm called he wants his monarchy back
>>71633682
I agree with you on most things except the final point. Allowing the Austrian armed forces to walk into Serbia would mean an effective annexation, and that's certainly what the Austrians would've been intending for the thorn in their side.
>>71636420
Germany was formed in 1871 after defeating France in a war. What are you talking about?
>>71636443
The US and all those fresh troops had nothing to do about that? Germany was fighting a 2 front war and they were winning...
>>71636418
Germany was right to be scraed of the Franco-Russian alliance, just like France was right to be afraid of Germany
So now that we settled that their fears were justified, let's just take a look at the actions they took against them:
France allied Russia
Germany started a world war
Sorry but, as hard as you can try, you'll never manage to make Germany the poor innocent child here
Forging an alliance because you're scared is less "evil" than starting a major war for the same reasons
>>71635890
>roman empire was garbage
you're going way too fuckign far
listen here, i like the whole ww2 third reich shit, but please view stuff from an objective position and not go striaght up "OHT HE JEWS RUINED GERMANY IN WW1 THEY DIDNT WANT A UNIFIED GERMANY THEY DINDU NUFFIN"
Truth is, it was austria-hungary's fault.
they went nuts with serbia because some irrelevant prince died from some irrelevant bosnian revolutionary.
The russians maintained good relations with the germans
I'm going to link you to a video that should explain some stuff pretty clearly:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-wSL4WqUws
>>71632478
But they did become germoney today in modern times, ofcourse they will lose a lot of money deporting the scumlims
>>71636515
Germany declared war first. Britain entered the war after the invasion of Belgium. And Belgium was invaded to invade France.
>>71636199
The British were not afraid of the kriegsmarine. It was clear to even german commanders that Germany could not compete with Britain's battleship program. The idea that Britain wanted to go to war is silly. When the British were debating to intervened after the invasion of Belgium, the transcripts show that they were quite ready to just toss aside Belgium neutrality. The British only intervened because they knew that without the British France would easily lose. France would have ran out of soldiers.and if that happened Britain would be fucked.
>>71636696
>because some irrelevant prince died
>Heir to throne
>irrelevant prince
Yeah, let me just murder your expected successor and see how rationally you act.
>>71636533
The ratio german vs french is positive for french, but people think history start in 1939,
>>71636504
Jews had a large role in the Russian Revolution, I won't deny that, and the Balfour declaration was meant to satisfy some powerful Zionists like the Rothschilds in the event of a global war, but it doesn't indicate that the Jews were in control.
Remember that media never really was consolidated until after the 60s, there were still dozens of independently owned papers. I'm not saying the Jews had no power, I'm just saying they didn't pull all of the strings at that point.
>>71636650
The US brought like 2 millions troops while the fighting between Germany and France/Russia was involving around 20 millions
Germany started losing before the US entered the war
>>71636696
WW would start either way. If not by Germany, then Russians would started, else Chinese, since they all removed royal crazies who only wanted to conquer lands and intermix races into their armies.
>>71636504
You might ask why Russia? Russia was deeply anti-Semitic at this time. Jews were persecuted and fled to Germany and Austria.
Also, Russia, during the US Civil war, both directly and indirectly prevented the central banking cartel from establishing itself in the US. Russia was an unlikely Ally.
>>71636801
>"SOME BOSNIAN REVOLUTIONARY GUY KILLED MY SON SO SERBIA YOU MUST BECOME PART OF AUSTRIA HUNGARY ALTHOUGH I KNOW THIS IWLL LEAD TO WAR AND YOU'RE ALLIED TO RUSSIA"
>>71631944
Germanany did nothing wrong.
It was all serb, anglo, russian and french fault.
Maybe, and only maybe, Austria-Hungary had something to do with the war.
>>71632007
French education is really that bad?
>>71636591
>Armed forces
Agreeing to cooperate with Austrian police on extradition IS NOT THE SAME AS OCCUPATION OR ANNEXATION.
>>71636759
>not posting Austerlitz
are you even French? I guess you wanted to go with victories against the Prussians, but still.
>>71636650
They just pop up like that, they existed before 1871
>>71636850
France/Britain* I meant
>>71636161
The leaf is right you know.
Rare leaf.
>>71636759
>napoleon wars
Yeah you guys are no emperors by 1900. It's been over 100 years it's time to stop dreaming. Germany had the strongest army, most diverse economy and most technologically advanced country by 1900. Berlin was the center of the Europe not Paris.
>>71636665
Germany wasnt scared of France and Russia. They had a plan that worked to contain them. Ww1 became such a large conflict because France allied with a country that was thousands of Kilometers away from her. If not for that alliance Germany would have just slaughter some slavs and the conflict would have lasted 2 years top
>>71636882
>KILLED MY SON
Nephew and only heir.
>>71636161
Nice proxy, Billy-Joe
>>71636825
Yeah. I should reiterate.
Zionist Jewish elite.
Ive known many Jews in my life and they've all been super pleasant people with lovely families. I take no issue with regular every-day Jews.
It's the aforementioned Talmudic Zionists that really have fucked things up.
>>71636930
Nah, you're just deluded
The Franco-British alliance is what defeated Germany, not the US and their joke contribution at the end
>>71636650
No they weren't... They were literally starving to death toward the end of the war, the spanish flu was already in full swing and they spring offensive had failed...
The US troops mostly helped during the counter offensive that followed, and certainly saved many French and British lives, but Germany was done already.
>>71636927
Well, you're the one who brought Prussia on the table....
>>71636821
Germany was formed in 1871. After that year there has been 2 wars between Germany and France. Germany invaded part of France in the firt one and in the second one it invaded it all of it. And this taking into account that Britain aid them in both wars
>>71636850
2 million troops after 4 years of war is a lot of manpower. The situation was pretty even before the US
>>71632007
France we all know that's not what happened.
>>71637084
>Germany invaded part of France in the first one
And? You act like they won the war, are you serious or?
The Germans started building a massive navy to challenge British hegemony on the seas. This antagonizes the British to no end, and next thing you know they're in bed with their ancient nemesis, France. Why? Because they're idiots.
The Germans defeated the French in the Franco-Prussian war and held hostage a million French out of "military necessity" in Alsace-Lorraine. Why? Because they're idiots.
The Germans allow their alliance with Russia to collapse because, once again, they're idiots. Now faced with a two-front war, they push the Austro-Hungarians into declaring war on Serbia and Russia before the latter's army and infrastructure could be modernized with French funding. If the war hadn't happened in 1914 it was to take place no latter than 1916, no matter the cost. OHL's internal planning confirms this.
But their stupidity doesn't end there, oh no. It's not enough they declared war on France and Russia. They invade without warning Luxembourg and Belgium, bringing into the war the British Empire, who was, at best, ambivalent about their alliance with the French and Russians, their rivals for trade and colonial expansion abroad.
>>71636665
Why are you obsessed with morality. Fuck you and your good and bad. I don't care who was moral or not you cuck. I'm saying the Franco Russian alliance put Germany in a situation where if there was a future European conflict Germany would have to go on the offensive. This is strategic military thinking not your stupid fantasy of who gets good boy points or not.
>>71636927
>Berlin was the center of the Europe
>>71636908
Germany didnt exist before 1871. That is why there was a unification. Now go to Bavaria and tell them that they are Prussians...
>>71637028
>The Franco-British alliance is what defeated Germany, not the US and their joke contribution at the end
>Spring Offensive halted by US troop influxes
>Hundred Days Offensive only allowed by US manpower influx
>US economic contribution made Allied stalemate possible
Yeah, you sure stopped those Jerry's at the Aisne and Second Somme all by yourself there frog. Oh wait, they were poised to take Paris before American troops under Entente command filled the void.
>>71637218
>held hostage a million French out of "military necessity" in Alsace-Lorraine
>Alsatians
>French
Fuck off, Louis-Napoleon III.
>>71637084
>Germany was formed in 1871
Germany was born in 843, just like France, and changed names many times in history
Pic related is the first war between France and Germany in history
Many more followed, often ending in German defeat and French expansion to the East
>>71636927
There were many empires in European history, who looted the most was the riches, big news. Gold was passed around even to Nazis, now it's in Switzerland, since Switzerland isn't part of EU, neither is Liechtenstein. This is because that's where oligarch money is stored in banks, which escapes EU inspection and if something happens to EU, they are secured there. They are looting EU countries and store it outside of EU.
>>71636889
Except it wasn't 'extradition' in a modern sense. These were the demands made by the Austrians:
1. Suppress all publications which "incite hatred and contempt of the Austro-Hungarian Monarchy" and are "directed against its territorial integrity".
2. Dissolve the Serbian nationalist organisation Narodna Odbrana ("The People's Defense") and all other such societies in Serbia.
3. Eliminate without delay from schoolbooks and public documents all "propaganda against Austria-Hungary".
4. Remove from the Serbian military and civil administration all officers and functionaries whose names the Austro-Hungarian Government will provide.
5. Accept in Serbia "representatives of the Austro-Hungarian Government" for the "suppression of subversive movements".
6. Bring to trial all accessories to the Archduke's assassination and allow "Austro-Hungarian delegates" (law enforcement officers) to take part in the investigations.
7. Arrest Major Vojislav Tankosić and civil servant Milan Ciganović who were named as participants in the assassination plot.
8. Cease the cooperation of the Serbian authorities in the "traffic in arms and explosives across the frontier"; dismiss and punish the officials of Å abac and Loznica frontier service, "guilty of having assisted the perpetrators of the Sarajevo crime".
9. Provide "explanations" to the Austro-Hungarian Government regarding "Serbian officials" who have expressed themselves in interviews "in terms of hostility to the Austro-Hungarian Government".
10. Notify the Austro-Hungarian Government "without delay" of the execution of the measures comprised in the ultimatum.
5. Is clearly a pretext to annexation, or at least the installation of a puppet government, and was the only point deemed unacceptable to the Serbian government.
>>71637225
>oh a war will start in the future for sure, we must hurry up and start it now!
>>71633682
Actually the kingdom of hungary was semi independend and far worse ruled than austria. While the austrian reformists tried to find a way to stabilise the realm, the hungarians were horrible rulers. This is why the austrian part of the empire, north eastern italy, bohemia, austria and slowenia is far more stable than the rest, hungary, romania, croatisa, bosnia
>>71633357
So much bullshit.
>German marxists
Laughed a lot.
>>71637229
Germany had the second largest economy in the world behind the US. Germany had the best universities and home to the most nobel prize winners at the time. France was home to the cuckold and still is. But no surprise there.
>>71637188
They almost did. France needed a huge coallition to hold the ground.I dont know why you are so butthurt. Is just history
>>71637357
austro-hungary was a multi cultural shithole
>>71637313
Pic related
In black is the current French Eastern border
Everything in orange within that was stolen by France through an entire millenium of constant German defeats
>>71631944
WW1 in a nutshell: Germany did nothing wrong and America were the bad guys. WW1 was mostly a sham started by Britain to reduce German productive and fiscal power in Europe.
>>71637442
I can confirm.
>>71637084
German (and all the alliance)were rekt mainly by french during WW1
During WW2 france was totaly alone(british flee at the begginng) and lose against this new alliance.
Before all that prussia and different german kingdom were rekt countless time by france, it's not because they change a name
>>71637444
>stolen lands
>from an empire in 1000
lmao dude
>>71637438
>t-t-t-t-they almost win lol
They lost that it.
Don't try to found excuse "they ALMOST lol" We won this war with Britain, that it.
>>71637341
>we don't start
>Russian draws up a modern army with 5-6 million soldiers
>Britain has time to assemble an army
>British navy superior to kriegsmarine ompletely destroys german shipping and blockades all german ports
You are a fucking idiot you know that? Not acting would mean a death sentence for germany
>>71632007
>Gets saved from being btfo by the Germans a second time by the British/Americans in WW1
>Reponsible for the disasterous peace process that followed
>Waste millions on border entrenchments instead of tank research
>gets btfo in less than a year in WW2 and surrenders
>made the shitiest weapons and vehicles of both wars baring the Italians.
>>71632007
Calm down Muhammad you will have other wars to surrender soon
>>71632426
That's because the South was under Allied invasion and was also where the Royal Army converged.
Majority of the partisans where in the north.
Also you seem to forget that there were a lot of battles in the South too.
Only because the RSI had its capital in the North it doesn't mean only northerners fought in it.
>>71637313
This is just retarded. Do you know that in the HRE they were Italians too? Was the north of Italy part of Germany too? The HRE wasn't holy nor roman nor an empire. It was just a bunch of weird alliances between city states.
>>71632168
nobody cares about your falsifications you fucking anti white cuck
>>71632284
>>71633484
And the revolution could have been avoided if the king taxed the rich and wealthy.
>>71637313
The difference between France and Germany is that Germany spent most of its time fighting pagans: pagan lithuanians, pagan scandinavians, pagan mongols, islamic mongols, islamic Turks, islamic arabs, etc.
Whereas the French typically spent their time stabbing Germany in the back in petty land wars while Germany was busy defending all of Christendom from heathens.
Then when it finally looked like there would be lasting peace between the French and Germans, you guys all went crazy and killed your king and declared a bunch of wars in Europe to spread your stupid liberalism.
>>71637438
No one here is trying to argue that France could have 1vs1 Germany in WW1
We just point out that Germany failed at defeating the coalition (while France succeded at this many times in history)
Pic related is what a competent country (unlike Germany) can achieve when facing the entire world
>>71637628
That ok Obongo, that ok
>All this Italian hate
Hate our goverments and crappy generals not the soldiers and civilians
>>71637585
So Napoleon was a loser then. I dont know why you worship him.
>>71637442
You really need to learn words.
Multi-cultural doesn't means what you think it does. Austrian Hungarian empire was interracial, not multicultural. If they recognized multiple cultures we wouldn't be under one big country speaking only German.
All Germany had to do was not support the fucking Habsburgs, the empire was gonna crumble regardless
>>71636364
I'm not talking abot the tsar. I'm talking about the government. They had a couple of decent prime ministers (like Trepov) before shit hit the fan.
>>71637588
>kriegsmarine
>in ww1
what
and im not talking after russia mobilized
>>71636201
I laugh my ass off every time.
>>71637746
Napoleon won 5 wars before he lost
The Second German Reich fought only one war and lost it
>>71637739
>Using a meme map of a war that you lost.
You can use your same argument against yours. France failed against the coallitions too.
>>71637743
Your soldiers and civilians suck too.
>>71637746
>get told
>Hum ....... let's talk about Napoleon, it's a WW1 thread but you know what I mean :^)
Fucking hell ..
>>71637313
>The unification of Germany into a politically and administratively integrated nation state officially occurred on 18 January 1871 at the Versailles Palace in the Hall of Mirrors in France.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unification_of_Germany
>>71637849
>of a war that you lost.
But we won the French Revolutionary Wars
You must be confusion with the Napoleonic Wars
>>71637743
shut up it's your fault all of this is happening
hitler should've went with greece
>>71633663
>Russians destroy one of the few sensible governments they've had in centuries. They install genocidal maniacs instead.
>Nicholas II
>sensible
Lay off the vodka Kowalski
>>71637869
I won't take this from an american rape baby.
>>71636882
A serbian anarchist killed my only heir and is mostly likely deeply interconnected with serbias ruling elite, as proven by dozzens of crossborder attacks by serbian anarchists and now i demand to get control over the prosecution in serbia, because i cannot trust a state run by its foreign secret agency.
>>71637746
Napoleon was Italian btw.
The greatest leader France ever had...
1. Only took power because of mass hysteria. He basically removed the mob rule and reinstated a monarchy... when abolishing the monarchy was the whole reason the french revolution occurred to begin with.
2. Lost in the end. He even got a rare second shot after being restored to power, and lost his second chance too.
3. Wasn't even French. He was actually Italian.
>>71637784
He means Kaiserlichemarine, but he's too dumb to know the difference. Doesn't matter either way. The Kaiserlichemarine was designed to ensure trade routes between the colonies and Germany remained open and it was meant to be maintained at 2/3 of Britain's naval capacity. Britain's naval policy stated a 2x naval capacity of the next power. It was really just a huge misunderstanding and misapplication of Mahan's naval idea than intended threat to either power despite perceptions.
>>71637531
>Before all that prussia and different german kingdom were rekt countless time by france, it's not because they change a name
Like the franco-prussian war?
Also, remember that Charlemagne was germanic
>>71637843
Fighting wars against Austria and a bunch of Russian peasants is the same thing as facing the 2 biggest colonial empires in the world. Britain during the Napoleonic wars was nothing. And France had a bigger popullation than all its neighbours combine. Again you can use your same arguments against yourself.
>>71637739
>implying all those new world people and resources were direct belligerents
Way to inflate the shit out of the 'force' France was facing.
I always thought napoleons conquest of the entire African coastline was a criminally under-studied aspect of his global expansion.
>>71631944
It was a cluster fuck that can't be explained
>>71633357
>>71637384
>>71638005
>Napoleon was Italian btw.
/pol/ ... always make me smile
>>71633663
Google: octopus russia
>>71631944
German establishment sees it as their historic destiny to rule Europe, north africa and western Russia.
>>71637914
The Monarchy was brought back. The revollution failed
>>71638005
Bruh the part of italy he was from was a french property for hundreds of years prior to his birth.
>>71636927
>Be 1900
>Turn of the century
>Germany is barely a unified country
>France is a strong republic owning half of Africa and a solid part of SE Asia
>Universal Exposition of 1900 takes place in Paris
>The world stands in awe at this peak of human civilization
>Germany merely starts its forges
Nah surely leaf, Berlin was the absolute center of the world in 1900
>>71637743
It's true. Rommel himself spoke highly of the Italian soldier. It was their poor leadership and lack of discipline that gave them a negative reputation.
As expected the ETERNAL ANGLO ruins everything
Don't believe their lies, serbia didn't start shit. It was the anglos
>>71637870
>Hur hur you cant use analogies because you make me look like a retard hur hur.
>>71638072
His father was a idependance fighter in corsice.
He is Italian, italian blood. Spoke horrible french when he was young.
>>71637628
kek'd
>>71637741
>France
>calling America cowards
TOPKEK
>>71638072
>>71638110
Napoleone di Buonaparte was born on Corsica on August 15, 1769, just 15 months after France had purchased the island from the Italian city-state of Genoa.
>>71634801
Betrayed how? The Alliance was a defensive alliance, we had no obligation to follow them into a war of aggression.
>>71638134
To add to this the Italian army in WW2 performed way better when they were given British equipment after the Armistice and some months of taining.
>>71638172
>corsice.
Just get out giuseppe. Napoelon is a born in French territory.
>>71638034
>Fighting wars against Austria and a bunch of Russian peasants is the same thing as facing the 2 biggest colonial empires in the world.
It is
Austria and Russia were among the most powerful empires of the time
>And France had a bigger popullation than all its neighbours combine
That's false
France had a bigger population than than each of its enemies alone, but certainly not combined
And anyway, it didnt matter since Napoleon was outnumbered in most of his battles (pic related)
>>71638083
>remove royal blood
>was good for a time
>napoleon crowned himself as new royal
Such is life if you don't install secure measurements to battle corruption.
/pol/ does know nothing about history. What a surprise.
Good goys.
>>71638204
Reminder
>>71638221
But it had been first occupied by france in the 1500s, for a very long time.
>Be France in 1870
>feel entitled to world domination and a 'natural border' at the Rhine
>declare war on Prussia over something stupid
>get absolutely fucking rekt
>other Germanic countries are so impressed they all unify with Prussia and form Germany
>Germany replaces France as by far the strongest power on the European mainland and takes Alsace-Lorraine, a German-speaking territory, from them
>France gets so butthurt about being replaced and losing territory that they vow revenge, no matter the cost
>They can't get revenge because Austria-Hungary doesn't like them for screwing them out of Italy, Russia doesn't like them for screwing them out of access to the Mediterranean, and Britain generally doesn't give a shit about continental affairs; with no allies, they have no hope of beating Germany
>Be Russian Empire in the late 1870s
>fight with Austria-Hungary over the decaying European remains of the Ottoman Empire
>force mutual ally Germany to side with either you or them
>they side with A-H and screw you over
>make new alliance with France
>Be Germany in 1888
>Old Emperor who let Bismarck do his realpolitk dies, gets replaced by his grandson who is a delusional, megalomanical homosexual with a weird Oedipus complex directed towards his English mother and liberal father
>Obsessed with bettering England, he demands that Germany assemble a massive fleet and start gobbling up colonies; he insists on this even though everyone tells him it's a terrible idea
>The UK, which had previously been busy with confining France in Africa and limiting Russia in Asia, becomes so worried about a German navy more powerful than their own that they work with both to contain Germany
>Suddenly Germany is the country with barely any allies and France is the one with a broad coalition
>Still almost beats the rest of Europe when the war inevitably occurs
>Germany occupies Italy
>Naples, center of south Italy is basically a german HQ
>People get executed and houses on the shore get occupied
>Allies literally sit and wait south of the city while this shit happens
>Neopolitans and veterans get tired and pick up arms
>Germans with tanks and training btfo by a bunch of retards with bolt action rifles
>German forces leave the city escorted by fucking partisnans
>Allies roll into the city like liberators
>>71631944
The beginning of the end.
>>71636927
>Berlin
>center of Europe
Maxi-Kek
Center of Europe if not of the World in 1900 is London followed by Paris.
>Germany had the strongest army, most diverse economy and most technologically advanced country by 1900.
Er no, Germany began his industrialization somewhere between 1830 and 1850, that's a serious lag behind.
>>71638397
>reminder:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normandy_landings
>>71638005
>when abolishing the monarchy was the whole reason the french revolution occurred to begin with.
That's wrong though
The initial goal of the revolution was to install a constitutional monarchy
Unfortunatly, the king went full retard and tried to have Austria invade to restore his full powers, which is why he was beheaded
>>71638128
Are you drunk?
in 1900 germany was deeply united and had overtaken the british in economic output. The frenchs were out of the picture for far longer.
>>71631944
Dirty Aryan attempted to conquer Europe.
Proud Anglo stopped him.
>>71638326
It's easier to just blame the Jews
>>71638397
Reminder
>>71631944
>WW1
>Europe goes to war
>Murrica sells weapons and supplies
>Gets filthy rich
>no end in sight
>Murrica worried there won't be anyone left to pay debts before this is over
>after all they jewed France after their revolutionary war, they don't want to be cucked the same way
>Murrica sends troops in Europe at the very end
>Claim the victory, although France and the UK suffered 2.4 KIA doing all the fighting
>refuse to let France annex the Rhineland to make sure there will be another war
>shit takes too long, make 1930's crash so Germany gets poor and elect a dictator
>WW2
>Europe goes to War
>Murrica sells weapons and supplies
>Gets filthy rich
>no end in sight
>Murrica worried there won't be anyone left to pay debts before this is over
>after all they jewed France after their revolutionary war, they don't want to be cucked the same way
>Murrica sends troops in Europe at the very end
>Claim the victory, although Russia suffered 9m KIA doing all the fighting
tl&dr we all lose, murrica get rich, the jews take over america. WW3 happening soon.
>>71638261
I iwhs i had that shitty MS paint image with the swj face going ''Oh i almost had to made a counter argument but i noticed you made a TYPO, haha your mistake''.
>>71638262
Austria has the most pathetic military history in Europe. They had too many etnicities to be taken seriously. And Russian army was ill equiped as ir has always been.
>Population of Spain:7 million
>Popullation of Austria: 10 million
>Popullation of the netherlands:1,5 million people
>Popullation of Prussia:5 million
>Popullation of France:23 million people
Not the same but it was damned close in terms of popullation.
On top of that France called levies something that the other countries didnt.
>>71638397
Historical wisdom holds that to storm a fort, you need AT LEAST 3 times as many attackers as defenders. But more likely, around 10 times the number if it is a decent fort.
For that shitty french picket fence and "cannon" entrenchment, I would still say you need at least 2 times the numbers.
But the brave British attacked with half the numbers and lost.
Not a victory to brag about.
>>71638581
Based Britain (and its lapdogs) saving us despite what we did to them in 1066
>>71631944
most important part of it was to eliminate ottoman empire because they held all the oil sites that would be the foundation of the petro dollar system which would last a 100 years.
also dismantling ottoman empire meant creating new made up countries in middle east, starting the isreal arab conflict and many more.
notice how no one touched turkey in ww2?
>>71637778
In an absolute monarchy, the Tzar dominates the government. Trepov was competent, but his constant infighting with other ministers and his attempts to shakeup the government did much more harm than good.
>>71638626
Even when they win, they surrender
>>71638646
>proving that Napoleon was born in a French territory
Well, thanks Luigi.
>>71638626
I like how you conveniently cropped the numbers
France held for a whole decade outnumbered 4 to 1
>>71638221
>>71638261
>>71638262
French historian fag here, to be fair to you all Napoleon was indeed of Italian blood and by all of today's standards he would hold Italian citizenship as well as the French one. I mean come on, his name is pretty much self-explanatory.
HOWEVER, he was raised to be as French as possible. His family was of nobility descent, and he was considered himself a French noble. He pretty much embodied the French person of that time (going as far slaughtering many Italians like a true French would have done kek).
If anything, he's a true product of France which has had this integration tradition for a long time. Unfortunately, this kinda vanished these days
>>71638550
...and history continues after WW2:
>antifa gets occupied by bunch of foreigners who think anti-fascism was about social justice
>nazis gets occupied by bunch of jews who think nazism was about white race and killing niggers
>>71638524
>Britain generally doesn't give a shit about continental affairs
If anything Britain always had a fixation with Europe and always spent lot of ressources to maintain the balance of power, although until WW1 they mostly left the fighting to others.
>>71638687
>Reminder: while we did shit you were using shit bombs and hiding in the sewers
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_of_Paris
>>71638005
And Hilter was Austrian.
>>71638676
And then you realize the British were the ones in the fort...
>>71638814
You lost the war in Europe and India too. After 1763, France was literally the BTFOest power in Europe until Napoopan.
>>71638700
>We were the most important part of WWI
Fuck you, you egocentric roach
>>71638821
>T-t-t-t-the Queen isn't British SHE HAS GERMAN BLOOD THAT MEAN SHE IS GERMAN LOL
>Americunt in charge of proving a point
Eternal Austrian at work
>>71631944
Serbs are retarded
>>71638889
Austrians are German, m8.
The only reason they're not the same country is because after both WW1 and WW2 the allies put a clause in the treaty that prevents the two countries from merging.
>>71638931
The war in Europe was more Prussia vs Russia
As for India, we werent even there
We just lended 50 dudes to an Indian tribe in some battle
>>71631944
THIS IS ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration
A LETTER PROMISING THE CREATION OF ISREAL
>>71638927
Eh whatever. Its a shit fort.
>>71638687
Also, we took most of the beaches and lead the invasion, leading to pic related
Your welcome
>>71638821
>and by all of today's standards he would hold Italian citizenship as well as the French one
He wouldnt
Both Italy and France have Jus Soli, and Corsica was French when he was born
>>71638975
So butthurt. I love the french (without migrationbackground) but you sir, are a hell of a pussy.
>>71638821
You never talk to a corse to say that
