Russian here. Growing up, I used to listen to liberals, who painted America as the country of freedom. I used to accept it as a given and thought that Russia was just an oppressive regime. But the more I learned about today's America, the more I saw parallels which seemed impossible to me.
Back when Ukrainian Maidan was happening, Russian media constantly painted it as a rise of fascism, and I thought it was completely nonsensical. But now I see US media portrays Trump as Hitler, and in fact any argument against immigration is seen only as neo-nazism.
Most Russian media is controlled by state. Yes, there's a lot of propaganda, but no one ever defends illegal immigrants. Now back to US. What I completely don't get is how "diversity", which isn't even a word in Russia, has become the dogma in US. Every TV show, movie (and now every video game, it seems) has to have minorities "represented". IT sphere is under fire because Tyrone and women not liking STEM is apparently their fault.
Everything has to be injected with fags and niggers, and if it's not, it's… "problematic"? US is now one censor state which Orwell couldn't even imagine. How the hell can this be happening in US—country with "small" government and freedom of speech, based on the idea of personal freedom, a country where Ayn Rand used to be praised as one of the greatest thinkers? A country which kicked the commies out in the early XXth century, then helped drive them to extinction?
And finally: nowadays in US, you can get your life ruined if you say anything against minorities. What happened to the freedom of speech? I know it's only legal concept, but it seems you can get literally harassed for any claim that is even remotely anti-minority, and the law will be against you. How is this freedom of speech?
That's for starters. What happened, America? Where the fuck were you when you country was turning into USSR?
>>71630410
Culture of critique happened.
Its because of the Jews
>>71630410
Because America is run by lawyers and corporations, which will use any excuse to get cash from each other.
They are looking for any just cause to sue one another.
We are hyper-capitalist society without any social principles anymore (cause having those cost money).
>>71630410
USSR collapsed and all the 5th column Soviet sleeper agents in America were abandoned, now they're working overtime to reboot their dystopia here.
>>71630410
The fruits of USSR cultural subversion are only now starting to reveal itself.
27 years after the berlin wall fell.
Most of us burgers give no fucks about what actually goes on in politics as long as they can get their burgers PBR and sit on their fat fucking asses as they mentally download all the cucking from their tv's at night.
It disgusts me to no end. The seniors of the country only care about their social security and will fuck all following generations in order to secure it. The middle age assholes are pretty much the same way, and the younger generations only want free school and more gibsmedat benefits.
As long as politicians talk positively about those topics theyre real winners to the mongs who vote.
TLDR: America is nothing but a bunch of fat benefits grabbers who are too stupid to understand anything beyond theyre next gubment cheese handout.
>>71630410
Same thing is happening to Europe.
btw Im glaad I see a russian that is not a shitty self hating liberal.
>>71631007
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgDqhRv9TKc
>>71630410
To add to this.
In Russia, a lot of industries have CEOs de-facto appointed or heavily tied to the state. But today in US, biggest companies like Intel can get injected with people who will push "progressive" agenda in them. So much for the private property.
Now there's HB2 controversy, push for fucking bathrooms for minorities, and so on. Everyone has to wear a crown of flowers on their heads, hold hands with niggers and sing "so not racist!". And if they don't, they'll get fired, with their life in ruins forever. Look at Mel Gibson, look how Hulk Hogan narrowly avoided it, there are plenty other examples.
It's true that in Russia a public star will fall out of favor for saying anything bad about Putin. But ordinary people? Not really. Not fired from anywhere, unless they're pretty high up. And they still will have old fans. Again, this is Russia, which had been a communist state less than 30 years ago.
Finally, the fact that I'm posting this on 4chan, without any proxies/tor/whatever, is already a proof that Russia still has some freedom of speech. But US is slowly starting to resemble Stalin's USSR: people get privileges for being hard-on commies/being "victims" of bourgeoise, and one word can ruin your life. Is that what America is heading to?
>>71630410
It's groupthink.
My take on it is that the liberalization of America was a reaction to anti-scientism of evangelical Christians. Academics reacted by supporting the Democratic Party and had to swallow every last bit of pseudoscientific drivel that libs thought off otherwise they were excluded from the group and were part of "them".
I see what happened to the Youtube Atheism/Freethinker scene as a natural experiment: they were poisoned to the core by feminists and SJWs and they lost all momentum as they splintered.
>>71631108
No, its not where America is heading to. Its just one destination before the whole train goes off rail.
When russians start making sense, you know something strange has happened.
Anyways Ivan, there are many of us prepared to fight and die to restore our greatness. It's really just a matter of time now.
>>71631007
This. I couldn't believe US fell for the virus of communism. Nowadays we have a self-proclaimed socialist running in elections and even having some potential to win.
What I don't understand is how Reagan and co failed to kick the commies out of colleges. Start a new witch hunt. Bush too. What happened to the old Ayn Rand anti-commie sentiment?
>>71631098
>>71631007
Bezmenov must be rather disillusioned. All those talks, and it still does nothing.
Though I vaguely remember him saying that the current generation cannot be saved, and that the effort should be to ensure a future generation which does not fall to this ideological subversion.
>>71631076
I won't lie: I used to have some sentiment for liberals. Until I I started learning things on my own. That's when I realized I didn't like progressives, I simply hated the left in its core.
I read how Yeltsin nearly gave away Russia to jews. About cultural Marxism, Soros and so on.
Now I see Putin as good figure. Unfortunately, Russia is in a situation where top of the industry has to be controlled by the state. That's why our economy sucks. But it's better than to being cucked by a group of Yeltsin-appointed jews.
>>71631076
>only Russians that support my memes about le based saviour of the white race are good
Good goy, keep playing on that dialectic
>>71630410
I love how the closest word for diversity in Russian also means dissonance / dissimilarity (нecхoдcтвo)
>>71631427
He offered a lot of insight what "system of equality" and semantic manipulation is. He also said the system has a natural self-destruct mechanism. Only thing we can do is raise generations of patriotic people with actual values and educate them about how propaganda and subversion are executed.
>>71631634
I'm not sure I'd say Putin is a good figure (not to say that the effects it has are not good). That would imply hes doing it solely for the Russian people, with no expectation of personal gain.
>>71630410
The entire planet is becoming like this, they just doublethink into believing in demuhcracy, diversity, progress, freedom
Its all crap
>>71630410
I hope this video answers most of your questions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10B9Fc8BmR0
>>71630410
We need trump it's bad, ppl blow if you even say tranny. I made this based music for america and pol
https://soundcloud.com/couchtruthing/trump-loves-america
>>71631269
You guys gotta do something. I mean, Russia has tons of problems. But if you don't stop the lefties, your country will have them too. Jews are good at one thing: hating white people. They won't stop until they make you live in huts earning $10,000/year.
>>71631634
>Putin's Jews are better than Yeltzin Jews
>i can only think in dualisitc, Hegelian dialectic terms
Read some more, maybe you'll finally understand that Leftism isn't only alternative to Patrimony.
>What happened, America?
The corporate-owned media is what happened. Follow my chain of reasoning here:
1. A divided population is easily controlled.
2. How do you divide a population? Easily - establish an embedded 2-party system.
3. How do you increase that divide? Give the people what they want - an array of media outlets that all tell the person exactly what they want to hear. The Liberals have NBC, MSNBC, and their own talk radio stations. The Conservatives have CBS, Fox, and their own talk radio stations. At no point during the day do they ever hear an opposing point-of-view.
4. The ideas of "the other side" begin to seem not only ridiculous, but harmful and repulsive, decadent or prudish, just plain stupid. The supporters of the other side become more than just the opposition party - they become enemies.
5. Now that the population is divided, thoroughly, along party lines, all you have to do to control that population is keep feeding perfectly-spun information. Every story is a Conservative-interest story, and every story is a Liberal-interest story. It's all in the spin. No outright lies are necessary by this point in the propaganda process.
6. After that, the media is in complete control. The government can do anything it wants, or nothing. No one will notice. They will be concerned with trivialities and non-issues (gay rights, racism, sexism), while the real issues (war-for-profit, economic disparity) continue unabated, right under their nose, yet off their radar.
So, my Russian friend, if you want to know when the USA became the USSR, the answer is, as soon as it could - with the advent of the Information Age, when every citizen who didn't recognize the corporate-owned media for what it is - a tool of the financial elite to keep the proletariat poor and fine with it - became totally controllable in thought and action.
If you want to know why, it's because power is an end, not a means.
>>71631853
Also, this Black Pigeon Speaks has a lot of good videos, you should definitely check him out, Ivan.
>>71631716
the degenerate population whom practice homosexuality and deviancey will eventually die out as that lifestyle is not friendly to having children and eventually everything will return to back to a family orientated equilibrium as those born in conservative families will replace the lost population.
HOWEVER the west is now importing islam migrants and the family friendly conservative bloc which is pumping out babies is now going to be islamic rather than christian.
so we are headed into islamic domination in 30 years time.
>>71631675
you are not wrong about the word meaning, but you are not right either
word paзнooбpaзиe (diversity) really do have that meaning you've mentioned, BUT it's not the common one
while learning new language - always memorize and pay attention to most common meanings of it
>>71631996
I never said Putin is great. He's not. He's promised to take on corruption, economic diversity and so on. It all didn't happen. Moreover, we potentially see him amassing wealth on accounts of his friends. Today's Russia is the definition of cronyism.
But still, at least I'm not told to respect Akhmed's religion, welcome gay parades and so on.
Stop playing smart.
>>71631108
I wish I could play this over a loud speaker. Fuck, why is a Russian able to describe this so well, while half my country is so fucking deluded that they advocate for the regression of our rights while they take advantage of everyone else's labor? What the fuck happened?
In all honesty, it's like a cycle, with both parties being Authoritarian but conceding at times on certain issues.
That's why I think so many on here like Trump, they think he can make us great again. Maybe he'll lift the Russian import ban, I'll be able to buy 7n6 5.45x39 again.
>>71632334
>But still, at least I'm not told to respect Akhmed's religion, welcome gay parades and so on.
That shit doesn't fucking matter, not told to respect Akhmed's religion? We have 3 fucking ilsamic republics in the federation, why the fuck insiting hatred criminal provision is there then?
Yeah, you're a fucking shill with your sitting on the fencem "well at least x" rhethoric.
>>71632030
There is no hope.
>>71632030
Pretty much this.
>>71631272
As much as I'd love to see filthy commies get "deported" it's illegal to get rid of someone for their political views (as long as it fits with the filthy commies narrative). And also, Jews.
>>71632030
Yeah basically. I always try yo explain this but it never gets through.. Oh well
>>71632334
Russianbro is right.
>>71631675
>slang
What? What you wrote is casual, not slang.
>дeвyшкa
That's not even really casual.
Also, you need to write in cursive, everyone writes in cursive when they write by hand, unless things have changed drastically since I was there.
>>71632112
The west is completely fucking up thanks to their beautiful ideal of "social" justice, which is nothing but a coined term for propaganda.
Cities like Paris, London, Berlin and Amsterdam annihilated themselves already.
>>71632030
OK, it's an interesting thought, I agree with most of it. However, I believe that by "income disparity" isn't wrong by definition. I mean, technically, Sanders addresses this very thing. This is a slippery road—if you're not careful, you're gonna get another Marxist revolution.
Commies called for equality and fairness too. Only they "forgot" to mention it will be them who would be deciding what's fair and what's not. Surprise, surprise—commie politicians lived like kings.
>>71630410
>a country where Ayn Rand used to be praised as one of the greatest thinkers?
In this place I threw up.
Laying the bullshit far too thick, OP.
>>71631667
>Impliying I think putin is the savior of the white race
You are wrong man. Look, as a foreigner I'm able to see both points of view.
Of course it is true that putin is corrupted and he is not the best politician. But now look at the west, we have basically the same freedom of speech as you (here if you say something against refugees, feminist, gays, transgender, sjw, etc, you are fucked and you are going to be sent to prision); we are being criminalized and mock up for the solely reason of being white; we have to work like slaves; we are told we are the cause of everything that is bad in this world; we are (again) criminalized just for looking at a woman; and the list goes on and on.
As I said before I dont think Putin is the best politician in the world. But what do you prefer Putin or our politicians that are literally genociding and criminalizing us?
Being a liberal its the worst thing you can do, you are being manipulated by the media and it is going to backfire at you.
I mean you are on pol look at the fucking west, do you really thing our situation its much better than in russia? If you thing so prove it >pro tip: you cant
>>71630410
>Russian here.
stopped reading
Our first president warned us about most of what you are talking about, Ivan.
Warns against the party system. “It serves to distract the Public Councils, and enfeeble the Public Administration….agitates the Community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms; kindles the animosity of one….against another….it opens the door to foreign influence and corruption…thus the policy and the will of one country are subjected to the policy and will of another.”
Stresses the importance of religion and morality. “Where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths, which are the instruments of investigation in Courts of Justice?”
On stable public credit. “…cherish public credit. One method of preserving it is to use it as sparingly as possible…avoiding likewise the accumulation of debt….it is essential that you…bear in mind, that towards the payments of debts there must be Revenue, that to have Revenue there must be taxes; that no taxes can be devised, which are not…inconvenient and unpleasant…”
Warns against permanent foreign alliances. “It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliances with any portion of the foreign world…”
On an over-powerful military establishment. “…avoid the necessity of those overgrown military establishments, which, under any form of government, are inauspicious to liberty, and which are to be regarded as particularly hostile to Republican Liberty.”
Does anyone listen to this? Maybe for a couple generations. But like most truths throughout history, it is easily forgotten and new generations must experience it themselves instead of learning from others' mistakes.
>>71632731
And it's legal to fire people over their "oppressive" behavior? Why not to fire those professors and progressives. Make them the castoffs of society. This is what they deserve.
>>71633242
Had to take a shit in the street? It's ok kebab, we understand
>>71633134
> But what do you prefer Putin or our politicians that are literally genociding and criminalizing us?
Again with that fucking dichotomy man. Your worldview is seriously fucked.
You know what solves the problem of the toxic leftists? FREEDOM. I'm talking grassroots freedom, not freedom disperesed by dualistic crony politicians.
Freedom is the only answer, always. All ideologies are trash, liberal, authoritharian.
> do you really thing our situation its much better than in russia?
I'll trade you a couple of fags and dykes for a 18,9% inflation.
>these people seriously think that Russia was to be taken over by gays if le based boudine hasn't "saved it"
can't tell if you're stupid or an opinion maker
>>71633566
>FREEDOM. I'm talking grassroots freedom, not freedom disperesed by dualistic crony politicians.
Yeah, except it doesn't exist and never did.
>>71630410
Completely agree bro, the brainwashing of Western Media is even worse than we have at 1st channel. And I bet in US you never know if your relatives/friends/co-workers are SJWs ready to stab you in the back..
> Example + obamabots attached
Sometimes I think the russian posters here don't give putin enough credit.
You are the only country to take the full might of the USA military industrial complex and their propaganda network and thrive. Most nation shit their pants at the idea of being in the USA's sights but russia don't have to take any of that shit. Russia has problems but you can live proudly not having to kneel to the USA war machine.
>>71633015
>Sanders addresses this very thing.
Sure he does. And he's losing. Because the media is going to make sure he loses.
If you lived here, and if you have an ear for propaganda and an eye for subtle deception, you'd notice that Sanders is always presented by the media as a bit of a clown - a sideshow to the real election process. His candidacy is never taken seriously by the media, they have been painting Hillary as inevitable all along and continue to do so. It's the tail wagging the dog.
In order to win in America, the media has to say you're going to win. No one wants to jump on the losing bandwagon - with the possible exception of idealistic college students who haven't experienced the real world yet.
Look at Donald Trump. Sure, the media tears him apart, BUT...they can't comfortably deny that he is the front-runner, no matter how they try.
How do you hurt a guy like that? Push the "contested convention" story to the front page. We're not even close to the convention yet, it's still 3 months away. Trump is HAMMERING Cruz. But that's not the story - the story is the contested convention, and how Trump might lose in that scenario.
Painting Trump as a potential loser is the only way to get people off the Trump Train. So even though he's winning, by a huge margin, the spin is...he could lose.
So Trump is an anomaly - not the corporate/establishment choice, but generating numbers that can't be denied.
That's why, even though I don't normally vote, I will be voting for Donald Trump this time around.
The criteria any wise, "red-pilled" voter SHOULD be using is this: Which candidate does the Establishment hate the most?
That's the man for the job.
>>71633881
Russian posters don't give credit to anyone who is both Russian and still alive. It's our nature.
>>71630410
>What I completely don't get is how "diversity", which isn't even a word in Russia, has become the dogma in US. Every TV show, movie (and now every video game, it seems) has to have minorities "represented". IT sphere is under fire because Tyrone and women not liking STEM is apparently their fault.
Oh God, I can just see the Bureaucrats in a room trying to figure this shit out
>There's not enough niggers studying engineering school!
> What do engineers like??
>I know! Video games!
>Lets make everyone put niggers in video games! That'll make more niggers study!
>YUO IS GENIOUS
meanwhile everyone over here is like
>Video games
>Studying
pick one nigger
>>71634058
I want to know more is this a russian meme?
Really I can't understand why some russians hate putin. Western leaders are so weak and depressing I envy russians for having such a strong leader who doesn't take any shit from anyone.
Communism and Liberalism are international ideologies that vied for control during the Cold War. When the soviets lost and the USA become the uni-polar power, the system quickly corrupted and bore rotten fruits. many peoples are seeing the evils of globalism today and it explains the rise of populist nationalist movements
>>71633259
>Does anyone listen to this? Maybe for a couple generations. But like most truths throughout history, it is easily forgotten and new generations must experience it themselves instead of learning from others' mistakes.
This is the scariest thing. 70 years ago, people like Sanders would get kicked out of US. Today, many millennials are ready to give him their money.
>>71634254
>Really I can't understand why some russians hate putin.
Maybe because they aren't paid shitposters and are busy making a living, like trying to set up their own business, and his administrations retarded internal policies are fucking shit up for them?
>>71634254
I've watched and listened to Putin many times. Doing those two things is not nearly enough though. We must examine the actions of what we are observing as well. While some might rightly criticize various decisions he has made and the outcomes of these decisions, rightfully so; but will still must look at the overall picture. He not only appears to have the best interest of his country in mind, he puts that appearance into practice.
You're right, he doesn't take shit from other leaders and that is admirable. He one of the leaders on the international stage that is actively promoting his country and taking much abuse and criticism while doing it. It's very possible I have missed important points, but this is my observation at least.
>>71633566
>worldview is seriously fucked.
Why? Instead throwing some ad hominems by trying to say that your ignorant worldview its better than mine you could at least explain why.
>You know what solves the problem of the toxic leftists? FREEDOM. I'm talking grassroots freedom, not freedom disperesed by dualistic crony politicians.
Obviously, but how are you supposed to do that if the western society is wired in such a way the leftist parties are always going to win.
Do you really beleive the meme that democracy exist in the west? Democracy doesn't exist here, if you want me to explain why tell me and I will do it.
btw you didn't answer to my question: do you prefer Putin or our politicians that are literally genociding and criminalizing us?
>I'll trade you a couple of fags and dykes for a 18,9% inflation.
Gays and dykes arent the major problem. The major problem is how the family structure is being destroyed, how the white man its being criminalized and how our culture is being genocided and shamed.
I prefer dykes and gays over Putin, they are the least of the west problems.
>these people seriously think that Russia was to be taken over by gays if le based boudine hasn't "saved it"
I literally don't understand this. Who is boudine?
Was to be taken over by gays?
Wha?
Total freedom is anarchism, which wouldn't work at all.
Humans need freedoms but not too limited or full.
The sjws or left wingers are trying to take away freedom of speech and use thought crime rhetorics on the citizens.
They're obviously trying to create hive mind which obeys their version of the coming oligarchy. A leftist ruled one.
The right wing, rnc..is also controlled by lobbyists and special interests and their own biased view, they want to win to create a further push to oligarchy on the right side, pushing USA to a more Christian yet corporate country, where the rich still are the majority of the controlling interest.
Trumps is a national populist who could restore freedom of speech and create jobs and security and get rid of illegals and Muslims, still Usa won't everbe going back to 1950 ever again.
>>71633970
Agree fully with this. But I'm Russian after all. I really hope Trump wins though—not only he's the only red-pilled candidate, he also promised to strengthen the bond with Russia, and Putin spoke favorably of him (which is SUPER rare), meaning we potentially could have an alliance.
I think if Russians were asked who they favor in US elections, well over the half would choose Trump.
>>71633970
>How do you hurt a guy like that? Push the "contested convention" story to the front page. We're not even close to the convention yet, it's still 3 months away. Trump is HAMMERING Cruz. But that's not the story - the story is the contested convention, and how Trump might lose in that scenario.
Interesting thought. Hadn't occurred to me, thanks.
>>71634254
You have to understand that Russian society is extremely polarized.
It's not like US though, where it's roughly 50% conservatives vs 50% progressives (I know it's inaccurate, but you get the idea). In Russia it's the mostly passive but generally patriotic majority vs a small "liberal" minority.
"Liberal" in Russia doesn't have the same meaning as in US. In Russia it essentially means being extremely pro-Western and, as a consequence, inevitably anti-Russian. You can imagine a Russian liberal as an American trapped in a Russian's body. Liberals agree 100% with "the West" on every single policy point.
Russians have a vast capability for self-hate, and our liberals are de facto a traitor class, extremely bitter and opposed to literally everything the government does as a matter of principle. We do not have the culture of political compromise, if someone is pro-Western, he is PRO WESTERN full stop, putting Ukrainians and Balts to shame in his hatred for Russia.
Russian /pol/ is completely overrun by these people, and naturally they form a large percentage of Russians who come here.
>>71634524
Maybe russians just don't realize how good they've got it?
Western leadership is a fucking joke. An absolute fucking joke. It's un fucking believable. Everybody is a worthless, disgusting criminal except trump and he's probably going to be beaten by the establishment.
Russians don't know what it's like to have a government made of complete losers who nobody respects and command zero loyalty.
I am deeply jealous of russians for having a leader that I could really get behind. A real man with real experience who can take all comers.
Hillary fucking clinton? I'd kill myself before I went to fight for her
>>71630604
>hyper-capitalist country
kek overload
>>71634987
>Everyone who disagrees with Putin administartion internal policies and governance is a self-hating liberal
Oh, it's one of those threads. Neat.
>>71631108
Actually, if I was in Russia and said anything criticizing against Putin, I could get thrown into prison for "small hooliganism" for at least 3 years or even more (like Khodarkovski).
>inb4 IT'S DA JOOS
Khodarkovski got thrown into prison because he was first to talk loudly about mass corruption of oligarchs (who are big business and the State at the same time and rule of law doesn't apply for them).
tl;dr USA and Russia are same shit, just different packaging.
PS: It was the Commies in USSR who planted Marxists in education facilities to subvert USA into Communism.
>>71635409
No, you're a special snowflake.
>>71634987
That's actually a really interesting perspective there, I always wondered about your political demographics. The irony is that people that call themselves Liberals here are almost anti-west at times, a few even being self-described Marxists. Nothing like Statists fighting Statists.
>>71635488
Oh, that's what was the deal with Khodorkovsky! Amazing.
>>71630410
>Mother russia
>oppressive
Pick one
>>71634987
>our liberals are de facto a traitor class
then they sound pretty much exactly like our liberals.
>>71631269
Because it was KGB subversives who planted Marxists in your universities first, LEL.
>>71633970
Alo something i noticed not sure how true it is in america but has the media stopped cowering trump as mutch? from what i can tell it sems to me that the media realised their misstake and stopped giveing him so mutch airtime.
And by misstake i mean how they realised they where fucking up their own narrative.
>>71635646
Well it's a long tradition in Russia. Bolsheviks actively and openly worked for Russia's defeat in WW1, the only thing that mattered for them is that it would be bad for the government.
>>71630555
It correctly happened at first but then people mistook means for ends.
E.g.:
>Feudalism is oppressive
>We free ourselves by making the revolution
>Now we oppress everyone who's not like us because muh freedom
Similar things happened with faggots.
>killing and castrating fags is wrong (and anyway it never solved the problem)
>people should be free to make their private choices of partner
>so defending fags is an okay thing to do, right? Altogether in the 60s against the oppressive regime that oppresses fags
>war is won. Now fags are basically free. They can do the fuck they want.
>However, the revolutionaries substituted an oppression with another oppression
>Now not only you shall not oppress faggots, which I am okay with, but you ALSO have to be supportive of them and encourage degeneracy at all levels (state, media, etc.)
My question is: even if we're okay with the 'freedom from' thing, doesn't all this social engineering go a bit beyond the original purpose of not having fags killed on the street? Didn't the revolutionaries get carried away to the point of becoming dictators?
To those who have freed themselves, I pay my respects. But what is freedom for them may be a chain for me. That's why I say critique of status quo is correct; what is not correct is thinking that just because something is anti-system ome day, it will always be the best solution in the future. That's exactly how you *do not* solve things.
>>71635409
>CIA shill
>>71633881
>>71634254
Let me explain.
Yeltsin's government praised liberals. Commies were held in the worst light possible. Despite the corruption was rampaging, we had private media. Which belonged to whom? That's right, the jews like Berezovsky and other memebers of so-called "ceмибaнкиpщинa".
When Putin came, one of the first things he did was kick them out. He jailed Hodorkovsky, Berezovsky and Abramovich ran away to London, and so on. He cut off the oxygen to liberals, and extablished one big ruling party merged out of several others.
But the liberals still were there, getting money or still being useful idiots. There has always been some "underground" media, with lots of jews of course, who blamed Putin for Chechnya, then for Nord-Ost, then for Ukraine, and so on.
Not to forget that Russia still has democratic parties like Yabloko, which constantly get obstructed from getting votes, financing and so on.
And since people could go freely to Europe and see that people indeed lived better there, liberals played on this sentiment and blamed it all on Putin. So suddenly hating Putin has become the cool thing to do. Being progressive is the usual sign of a hipster in Russia. As the West became more leftist, so did Russian hipsters.
And after 2011 Russian protests, this all solidified in a movement with Alexey Navalny de-facto its leader. It's still considered cool and free-thinking, but as refugee crisis keeps unfolding in Europe, more and more reconsider their views.
>>71635409
Fuck off CIA.
>>71635873
Tl; dr: the bullied has become the bully.
And this vicious cycle will never end unless we find a solution that does not entail the destruction of the enemy. Otherwise every new winner will breed a new enemy.
>>71634987
This too.
Also, Russians don't speak English that well. Those who do often have some sentiment for US, and thus against Russia.
>>71636152
The global victory of nationalsocialism over global capitalism is the only permanent victory of the masses over the hostile aristocracy.
>>71636046
I remember you. You where in other threads with me calling out the shills. Nice to see you around.
Believe the Russian Bro. I am getting married to a Russian girl next month. For being a former member of the communist party she is to the right of everybody running for office right now.
She talks openly about how sick we are in California for allowing faggots to run freely. Can not understand why we allow welfare, obama care and illegals.
Wants to leave the country when she gets her retirement
>>71635714
>Alo something i noticed not sure how true it is in america but has the media stopped cowering trump as mutch?
The media overall has given Trump an estimated 1.9 billion dollars in free advertising. This could be part of his plan. To say outlandish things and know that he will be covered on repeat by our 24/7 msm. I want to believe that he is a secretly a mastermind when it comes to think particular topic, but I'm skeptical on this. It's likely that this was unintended, yet still worked in his favor.
>And by misstake i mean how they realised they where fucking up their own narrative.
Yes, many on the left side have noticed that this has hurt them more than helped them and as such have spoke out about limiting his exposure. I don't think they will all listen, because like it or not, Trump produces revenue for them by covering him.
>>71631269
>anyways
It's anyway.
http://www.furfur.me/furfur/heros/heroes-furfur/217249-voyna
This is a typical russian liberal
>hates oppressive Putin regime
>runs to Europe
>gets beaten up in Europe for being a liberal faggot
>cries about europeans being worthless cucks
>wishes to go back to Russia
>>71635646
Pic related is 2014 in Moscow, march against Crimean reunification. (speaking of "freedoms" in Russia)
As you can imagine, the rest of the population is not very fond of these people.
>>71636539
Traitor
>>71630410
The Jews of the USSR were invited into the west by our Jews and set free to subvert the masses.
Yes, it's the jews, it always has been the jews and always will be the jews.
>>71635714
I'm 50 years old, an ex-New Yorker, and I've grown up in a world that always had Donald Trump in it.
No one has ever taken him very seriously, most people have viewed him as just some slightly-eccentric gazillionaire who likes a little attention now and then.
IMHO, the media just assumed Trump would sink himself. They probably even thought along the lines of, the more air-time they gave him, the moreso that would happen.
But what they didn't reckon with is the fact that Trump has developed, over the decades, into a very savvy, very charismatic public speaker. He actually ISN'T just some clown, he knows exactly what's on the minds of the voters, and he went there.
He's smarter than those who wanted to bring him down, and that's why all that media attention backfired on the Establishment-owned media - he's actually a great candidate with a strong message, and trying to bring him down is like trying to bring down casual sex, or Christmas: you can say whatever negative things you want about them, and people might say they agree with you, but they still love casual sex and Christmas. And Donald Trump.
Sorry if I derailed your thread a bit, OP, but the media's treatment of Trump is definitely relevant to your post.
>>71636656
>Ukraine flags
i imagine this makes you feel what seeing Mexican flags does for us
>>71635857
our liberals spied for Russia during the cold war. British intelligence was riddled with communist sympathisers who gave up their fellow Englishmen to the tender mercies of the KGB. Do you know how Russia got the atomic bomb so quickly after WW2? Because two (or possibly more) American liberals passed nuclear secrets to the KGB. They literally gave the most evil man alive the means to wipe out all of humanity, solid in the smug moral righteousness that their own country was evil and therefore Russia, being the enemy of America, must be good.
In fact our liberals are worse. At least Russian liberals have the excuse that American society, for all its flaws, has always produced a much higher standard of living than Russia. I mean, come on, Russian society has always been pretty fucked up, while Western society only began the slide into degenerate decadence in the last 20-30 years. Western liberals just flat out hate their own countries.
>>71636831
Many of these are, of course, Ukrainians.
But the majority is probably not. These are liberals. They don't actually care about Ukraine, or about international law, or anything like that, they simply oppose as a matter of principle any move by government that doesn't promote surrender to US.
>>71632112
Women getting educated in islamic republic? Author is too naive...
>>71630740
If you listen to Yuri they don't even know they are sleeper agents. They're just retards that the soviets pointed in a direction that suited them.
>>71637044
>These are liberals. They don't actually care about Ukraine, or about international law, or anything like that, they simply oppose as a matter of principle any move by government that doesn't promote surrender to US.
Very very good post that sums up those people.
>they simply oppose as a matter of principle any move by government that doesn't promote surrender to US.
This specifically, that's basically the role of ''russian opposition'' in Russia.
>>71636256
All hitler was right memes and shit aside on this point its kinda scary how well it resonates in todays world.
The internationalists have allways been the enemy of freedom.
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>>71635488
Wasn't Khodorkovski just a kike who was mad because he didn't win the Game of Thrones in Ivanland? It seems to me that if he'd be the prez he'd be doing exactly the same shit as Putin except he would be doing it for the west, not for himself personally.
>>71630410
It doesn't matter OP, their ideas can not sustain a society and it will all come crashing down on them, they will starve and their "fair and tolerant" values will make them ill prepared for the harsh realities they will face.
and in time things will become better - without them.
>>71637044
I know there is a large Ukrainian minority in Vladivostok region. Do they behave the same as those in the West ?
>>71637182
Khodorkovsky managed to grab a huge part of Russia's oil industry during early 90s for like 1/1000 of its actual value. Then he didn't play nicely when Putin started bringing strategic assets back under central control. That's all there is to it, really. Any legal justifications from both sides are just a smokescreen.
>>71630410
America is full of degenerates
Death to America, long live Russia
>>71637264
By far most Ukrainians here are indistinguishable from Russians. Most people don't even notice of someone has an Ukrainian surname. So it's a non-issue, most of them are about as integrated as some Scottish person living in London. But of course nationalists exist. Though i heavily suspect most of them actually traveled from Ukraine itself to participate in that march.
>>71637249
Yep, I thought of that. But if US faces a crash, the European and American cultures will also take a big hit. Not to mention the states US supports.
>>71630410
>Where the fuck were you when you country was turning into USSR?
The fuck you talking about idiot.
>>71635488
>said anything criticizing against Putin
>Khodarkovski
>yo dog lets kill some people and avoid any sorf of taxes while building 80% of Russia oil production.
>REEEEEEEEE FUCKING PUTIN WHY YOU DOING THIS TO ME
>>71630410
I won't even bother reading this wall of garbage from a Russian. What's next? A Guatemalan is going to ask what happened to America? It's one thing to have issues in a country, it's another to be a depressing nuclear wasteland.
>>71638971
stop embarassing my country
>>71638971
Look, I understand perfectly well that a Russian who criticizes US implying his own country is perfect is a hypocrite.
I just expressed my thoughts—I saw some disturbing parallels between "progressive" US and USSR/modern Russia.
I'm not criticizing US. I'm well aware that my country is miles behind the US in terms of level of life ad income. See >>71632334 . I just wanted to know how US has suddenly started showing so many genuinely bad leftist tendencies.
>>71633134
Xax funny west.
>>71640542
There is still strictly speaking, legal freedom of speech in the US, unlike the vast majority of Europe, Canada, and Australia, where "hate speech" is an actual crime.
>>71641317
>1 post by this user
>haha you're funny for not constantly spouting U.S state department propaganda
Fuck off CIA.
>>71640542
This is very true and you are correct. This country reminds me of the Soviet Union everyday more and more and will have the same fate.
Cлaвa тoй pace, кoтopaя знaeт мecтa, гдe мoжнo cидeть нa кopтoчкaх.
>>71640542
You know, what I remember as a child was that the Soviet Union would make very good product but not care about how it look or how beautiful it was. I thought America would be paradise, and now I see how they live.
The product is not beautiful because they want to save the most money. Milk is not real, food is not real, nothing is real here. It is only illusion, including freedom which is also an illusion.
>>71641508
This. I wholly agree with you that at least, in US you can't be jailed/fined for saying what you think. And this is great. I wish other countries had legal freedom of speech.
I don't deny this. But no one stops companies from firing you, people from doxxing you, and so on. No one stops media from demonizing you, calling you a bigot, destroying your career.
With all talk about honor and dignity, it's wrong to blame people who are presented a choice: to say Caitlyn Jenner is "sexy", white people are "guilty", black lives "matter more than white ones"; or give up their college degree and life of hard work and investment and go for a minimum wage job/live in poverty.
It's sad, but today in US, only people like Trump can say what they want. Because you can't fire him—but he can fire you.
>>71631853
Forgot to say: great channel, thanks.
>>71630580
Not An Argument.
My family moved to the US in 1997 when I was 7 years old. Living here is better. Quality of life is just better. Roads are well-built, electricity and water do not go out, regular people follow the law. The law generally is applied evenly to everybody, and it IS applied. Normal Americans are nice people. They are a lot more naive than Russians, but that is because life does not beat them up. For this reason, they are also weaker in some ways.
However, do not be fooled. There is rot everywhere, even in the US. The government here does whatever it wants. Dealing with government agencies here is like pulling teeth, but they will still act nice about it. The propoganda in the US is very real. In fact, it is much more dangerous than in Russia! In Russia, you know everything is propoganda because several generations grew up in the USSR. In the US, there is the "free and unbiased media" meme and it is a huge lie that most Americans, because they are naive, believe! All media is biased, I think. But Americans cannot accept that they are being tricked because they are free and independent and proud.
The grass is always greener on the other side. There were more opportunities in the US in 97 than in Russia. Now this is reversing.
A вce pyccкиe либepaлы пpocтo нe видят чтo cдecь тoжe в гpязи мoжнo вaлятьcя. Cмoтpят чepeз зaбop и cpyт в cвoeй хaтe.
>>71642018
>>71642218
Although I can't vouch if this is true or not, the supply of the food was also pretty limited.
We have this dichotomy in economics: either people are driven by their own greed, or the fear of punishment. Either we have free market or state control.
With free market, you're bound to have greedy people ripping others off, making trusts, monopolies and so on. In planned economy, you're bound to the situation where "workers are pretending to work and the employers are pretending to pay".
Unfortunately, that's the reality of economy of limited goods. You either have free cheese in only mousetraps, or empty shelves.
>>71630410
We don't have freedom
Our freedom is constantly being refine de to a narrow concept that soon will be slavery
I am lurk /sg/ a lot and discussed irl how I read some of the terrorists and militants propaganda I got told I was probably on a list
Why would I be on a list just for reading something? Why does society try and intimidate me? My mother from early childhood tried to tell me to watch what I would say in public about what I thought and saw. Teachers constantly say this or that is problematic and silence themselves or others
Fuck this place
>>71643008
I agree with all of it. Your family made the right choice. The commies have been destroying the economy of the country for nearly a century.
You know the average income in Moscow? It was around 40,000 RUR/month in around 2010, hasn't changed much. In today's exchange rate, that's $7k/year. People outside of Moscow earn fraction of that.
That's the only truth that matters. Shelter, food, security ad financial stability come BEFORE any morals. When you barely have enough money to pay for your flat and the credit card bills, you don't care about high morals.
Every argument between a Russian and an American should start from this.
>>71635409
CIA go home
>>71643387
>My mother from early childhood tried to tell me to watch what I would say in public about what I thought and saw. Teachers constantly say this or that is problematic and silence themselves or others
Literally Soviet Union tier. It is not as bad in the US, but it is happening more and more often.
I forgot one more thing: Russians absolutely need Putin because he and his friends are re-inventing the idea of what it means to be Russian.
If I ask you what does it mean to be American, anyone will say (assuming they are not idiots that believe the 'Americans have no culture' meme (maybe uncultured but certainly not lacking cultural influence)) will say something about freedom and blue jeans and rock and roll.
If you ask what it means to be Russian, it is a harder question to answer, and usually is derogatory. Something about squatting and abibas and vodka. Russians cannot even claim Kievan Rus culture as their own because Ukranians have taken that. They cannot claim Soviet culture, because the USSR is no more. They cannot claim Imperial Russia without admitting they are no longer that country. Plus, Russia is huge and has many cultural influences. My mother from Magadan considers pilaf (плoв) a family tradition, but she is white as can be but pilaf is not Russian! Our religion is Greek, not Roman. So, I think a lack of national identity is part of the reason Russians hate themselves and some keep looking to the West. But at least Putin and frienda have sought to turn that around -- at great expense. Why do you think Sochi had so much invested in it? It was an attempt to debut as a new country and a new nation.
>>71631272
what happened to the anti capitalist sentiment in russia
>>71644415
"Communism and capitalism both suck but in different ways. At least I have more self-determination with capitalism."
Until you get to US-tier capitalism and realize that wow this kind of sucks too.
>>71643387
That is exactly what I was talking about.
My grandmother grew up in Stalin's times. She believes someone records/listens everything she says. Yep, it's more like mental illness, but she's not alone in this.
Then I see what Obama and other "progressives" are turning US into. The whole Bruce Jenner thing is so much like The Emperor's New Clothes that it's just scary to anyone who has the least bit of common sense left.
And I just want to say—people, stop! You're about to fuck up the great country! You're about to build 1984 with your hands! You're letting the Attila in with welcoming cheers! You've build this country on freedom and now you condemn the very thing that made it great!
>>71630410
With the Jews, you lose.
>>71644331
Yes, I like this quality.
>>71630410
We are in the middle of an ideological war here in the states. One side wants to protect our country, chase our own interests and keep our identity. The other wants to pander to all the same progressive shit that ruined Europe over the past 20 years or so.
>>71644331
Eh, we are quite comfortable with claiming both Kievan Rus culture and Soviet culture. We don't really care about Urrainian claim.
And Russia hating itself and looking to the West is a thing since Peter the Great, who instituted this inferiority complex as a side effect of his reform.
>>71644860
This inferiority complex has to stop. It is good to want better things, but maybe be less envious and more proactive about it?
>>71644660
A side effect of being too comfortable is that you don't want to do anything about it.
>>71643814
>Shelter, food, security ad financial stability come BEFORE any morals
Typical neoliberal faggotry.
>>71643814
Russians are destroying their own economy since tsar times, think when someone needs a job. They ask you to take this person because my brother need a job etc... this is not efficient economy, if you are mechanic they will ask you do favor instead of payinf you. This has always been the Russian economy, and no one has yet made this western.
Two problems in Russia: roads and pinhead.
>>71645115
Look. We tried that approach - it doesn't exactly work. Our Europe/Asia location gives us a bad case of shisopherina which we have tried to get rid of for more than 300 years. We ran out of ideas how to solve it long ago. The only one which has not failed completely is to let one personality murdfer the fuck out of another. We just don't agree which one should be dead.
>>71637044
A lot of the Russian "nationalists" that post on here seem little better. There was one guy on here advocating relinquishing most of the territory of the country and reducing Russia to the size of old Muscovy because that way there would be less ethnic minorities.
>>71644415
New generation grew up.
People who hate capitalism used to get money for nothing in USSR. They used to receive the best clothing, food etc. simply for saying the party is always right. Licking the party's asshole was a sure way to succeed in USSR.
Then the normal market economy came, and they condemned it. "How it is fair for us to work like others to receive money? We're entitled to it! Where are muh benefits? Damn you capitalists!!"
Nowadays, people who truly have head on their shoulders can earn well in Russia. Less than in the West, obviously, but still not bad. Look at Russian programmers—they earn more than the old generation could even dream of. Obviously, the old entitled population of professional victims is greatly butthurt by it. They claim the stock market doesn't work, they say they've been screwed out of their money, and so on. All while having nothing real to offer to society.
>>71645291
Wat
This is exactly the opposite of liberalism. This is Maslow's pyramid of needs.
>>71645533
Russian ethnic nationalists are among the most pathetic creatures to ever crawl this Earth, literally worm-faggot tier. They belong to a nation that rules the empire, and want to exchange that for some Latvian-style ethnocracy so that they can feed their egos by having their own pathetic "national state" where they will be masters on the basis of their ethnicity alone.
>>71645533
>>71645811
This.
Russian radical nationalists are often even more retarded than skinheads in other countries. Useful idiots at best.
>>71645714
It's reducing human to economics, which is exactly the basis of modern neoliberal approach.
And anyway, don't act like those "poor" people earning 40 or 30 thousand dont have places to live, or like they starve. It's perfectly sufficient for life.
>>71645381
>This has always been the Russian economy, and no one has yet made this western.
Russian inferiority complex strikes again.
It is the same here. Connections and frienda are more important. Maybe you have heard the American phrase "it's who you know, now what you know."
>>71632030
Brush your teeth Hill.
>>71645115
Russian discourse has been on loop for centuries now. Slavophiles, apologists of the West—we've seen all these ideas for centuries.
>>71645564
>Obviously, the old entitled population of professional victims is greatly butthurt by it.
Yes, those entitled old people living on $120 per month, fuck them for not fitting into the glorious free market economy.
>>71646028
There is a huge difference, you may take someone you know to work in USA. But you do not create jobs that did not exist, so someone can sit on your company's neck collecting money. Simply because you are relatives or good friends. People are always asking how many can we take when they already have more than they can pay.
>>71646025
>It's perfectly sufficient for life.
Maybe in Russia. Living here is more expensive. At 30-40k you will have no savings. You will live hand-to-mouth in an apartment that you do not own. You will have no beach vacations. If your car (and you will NEED a car) breaks, you will go into debt. If you get sick, you will go into debt.
>>71646393
>you do not create jobs that did not exist, so someone can sit on your company's neck collecting money.
It happens in the US. Usually for rich people.
>>71646311
Don't believe the lies of the "good" life in EU. It is not true. It applies only for rich ones. Just like in russia. But in russia you can still life relatively well
>>71646614
That's commonplace at every fucking level in Russia even during the soviet time, in tsar time. New generation knows nothing and are poor workers.
>>71646025
> And anyway, don't act like those "poor" people earning 40 or 30 thousand dont have places to live, or like they starve. It's perfectly sufficient for life.
I'm not saying they don't. Of course it's much better than shitholes like Africa/India or war-torn places like Syria and so on.
> It's reducing human to economics, which is exactly the basis of modern neoliberal approach.
Not only to economics. I'm saying in terms of meeting more basic human needs, US is ahead of Russia (although since the 2000s the gap has been shortening every year).
>>71646827
My point is, both in US and in Russia working wages are sufficient to meet basic human needs. Anything above is mostly a matter of expectations.
>>71631675
или means "or" shitlord
>>71646389
This is actually a big problem, I agree with you. These people have no savings and obviously they took the hardest hit when USSR collapsed.
But I knew a guy whose father was a party "functioner". Had a great flat somewhere in Moscow.
This guy got a worthless degree and can't (or is too lazy to) find any job with it. Now he preaches for KPRF left and right. Says capitalists rip off the working people.
I knew other people like this too. "We had everything—I mean, every thing in USSR. I barely even had to work. But now it's over. That's why I drink and it's government's fault".
Tons of people from education are this way too. They used to get alright pay in universities. Now it's unsettling to look at them.
>>71640542
>suddenly
It wasn't suddenly. It's the past 70 years. People never took there leftist invasion of the college seriously. Everyone always said that their shit is just a bad joke. Now look where we are.
>>71630410
>Most Russian media is controlled by state.
Not exactly true. Even "Channel 1" is like half-privately owned.
>>71647410
You blame people for adapting to a different economic environment during their formative years. Their life choices probably were rational in USSR.
And anyway, it was a genuinely better environment for people involved in education, science, industry and many other fields. Now, for example, teachers get pathetic wages. So, people shoudn't be teachers, because it's not an ecoomically rational choice? They have every right to be bitter and protest.
>>71630410
Two words: Yuri Bezmenov
>>71630410
I would rather move to Russia than America desu
Just put an end to western society, Russian occupation is welcome at this point.
>>71630580
YER JASTA FOKAN WHITEMALE!!!
>>71630410
Just nuke us Ivan, its the only thing that can save us.
>>71647451
Yep, that's true.
I meant that it was made without any public explanation. You came from raunchy heavy metal banging from speakers in malls to feminism, safe spaces in universities and white guilt everywhere.
People who know what it's about realize that it's just the New Left in action. Trying to get cheap labor all while reducing the white population to minority disguised as "enrichment".
>>71630410
вce идeт пo плaнy
>>71648399
нa ceгoдняшний дeнь
>>71630410
Damn you /pol/
I wanted to go running before dinner, instead I had to read this thread. Not only do I have no more time to run, the soup also burned.
>>71648501
Пpoцecc yжe нe oбpaтим
>>71647842
OK, sorry, I admit it, I got a little bit too far. I apologize. My reasoning is based on personal anecdotes and is actually inconsiderate.
The truth is, I had enough of teachers/professors who would tell you how poor they are and how the state doesn't support them. I understand them, but at the same time what do I have to do with it? It's not my fault, so I just vented off my anger.
The reality is that most people dislike capitalism because they've been brainwashed by years of propaganda. It's like Bezmenov said. And also Yeltsin and his '90s didn't help. His and Gaidar's "reforms" were more like a huge financial scam.
>>71631108
>>It's true that in Russia a public star will fall out of favor for saying anything bad about Putin
Pop stars that are openly supported Cockholes and wore "PUTIN IS A DICK" shirts are still working and feeling mighty fine. One guy tried to protest Makarevich and he's now in jail.
Stop with that bullshit, Putin is a syslib and surrounded by libcucks.
>>71648759
Makarevich himself is out of favor. So are many other musicians.
Look at Mikhalkov though.
>>71648707
I don't really think you need much of a reason to dislike any existing system if you are poor.
Also, russians just aren't as suited for American-style capitalism as Americans themselves (which is pretty logical). Thinking that every human on Earth has an enterpreneur sleeping inside him, and that the natural aspiration of any human is the American Dream, and every other society, ideology or system is propaganda or delusion is, well, a bit strange.
America has become degenerate in so many ways.
>>71648198
You're a Murican. Have some dignity mate.
You came to a continent, you've proved your independence, you've built THE biggest economy on planet. You put a man on the moon, you've made the rest of the world respect and fear you. Now you're begging to end it all?
Fuck this apologetic shit, mate. You're all better than this. Common sense will prevail in the end.
>>71649030
As far as ideology goes its very difficult for the West to play this dialectical game now. Since they and their fellow travelling Euro-cucks are now playing the role of the global revolutionary bloc that is anti-tradition andt-religion promoting secularism and globalization which is directly hostile to every other culture on the planet.
No ammount of willpower, critical theoiry or CIA can convince the world to become an atomized individualistic shopping mall full of faggots and trans children and even conservatives will shill to defend that from hostile cultures like Islam.
>>71649030
Yep, that's true.
While in US the spirit of entrepreneurship was being nurtured in young generations, in USSR it had been continuously destroyed.
It's not the sole reason Russian people are the way they are, but it needs to be taken into account.
>>71649715
> which is directly hostile to every other culture on the planet.
Wait a minute. Isn't the whole progressive agenda about freedom of ethnic expression for everyone BUT Europeans? It's exactly what Will Kymlicka pushes.
>>71630410
Same (((bolsheviks))) who killed the based Tsar and created the USSR infiltrated America decades ago through the Federal Reserve and Hollywood. Cultural marxism has been their agenda for quite some time, and is in full force now. Fortunately Trump has led the assault to Make America Great Again and is winning big time. Don't worry, Ivan, we're doing what we can.
I really don't get the recent animosity between the US and Russia. It makes no sense since the Russians are no longer commies.
The remaining ideological differences between the US and Russia aren't big enough to warrant such a hostile relationship.
I think the US politically correct policies are to blame. All I ever hear about Russia is 'muh homos' 'muh pussy riot' 'Putin the hated dictator'.
>>71650115
That's just window dressing. They like the "exoticism" and superficial aspects such as there being more ethnic food, but eventually they believe that everyone will evolve into being like them. . . secular, progressive upper middle class people. You see it in educators or reformers who preach that some ghetto nigger or ISIS fighter would be just like them if only for more education and programs.
we know russia, we know. the west is just waiting for you to nuke our cities so that we can rebuild from scratch.
>>71650115
Will Kymlicka is a typical progressive cosmopolitan cuck. He believes that borders shouldn't exist because exclusion has no moral justification. Which ofcourse undermines the very basis of having a unique community in the first place.
Progressives at their core belive that other races are their pets. They cannot envision a situation where whites are not in charge or outcompeting them, when in fact non-whites present a very real political threat. Latino politics is cuttthroat and brutal and they are now electing their own mayors and councellors in California now that they are the de facto majority and soon they will elect their own governors and trigger and irredentist movement because there is no reason not to do so now that you're in charge.
>>71649877
>While in US the spirit of entrepreneurship was being nurtured in young generations, in USSR it had been continuously destroyed.
Maybe has something to do with the fact that US was a vast territory with welcoming climate, defended by oceans from any real enemy, and colonized by settlers an equally dafe developed country. When you place people in a safe and abundant environment, it encourages initiative ("grab as much as you can!"). The need for strong government under such conditions is not great too.
>>71650350
Only they've been shown that it doesn't work.
Niggers don't want to be Americans. "Islam fitting in Europe" is literally kek. Everyone understands this. They're believing this should happen, while protecting minorities expression of their culture. Do they give the time frame for assimilation though? No they don't.
They know they won't assimilate. Their main goal is to reduce white population to minority.
Also, while we are it! Weird thing: USSR has for decades making forced "friendships" between nations. Guess what? As soon as the Union started to crumble, they were the first to jump out of it, resent it with all force and fight for independency.
I think that's the best argument against any "progressive" liberal. There's no such thing as civic nationalism.
>>71650220
I'm not sure they even work in Russian interests anymore
We need to stop these faggot kikes collectively
>>71650890
This too. Tldr—Russia and US are different countries with different histories.
>>71630410
We won the Cold War economically and politically.
You won it culturally.
>>71648616
Oй вeй
>>71631272
>bush
he is a part of the globalist agenda, who are the ones pushing for communism, not against it.
global communist world order, under america's oppressive rule.
usa is the new soviet russia, the rest of the world the soviet states or satellite states.
>>71650289
The globalists that controll the west has a vested intrest in controlling evrything its not mutch more than this really
>>71630410
Nice proxy, prick
>>71650439
Again, why do you apologize?
You're Dutch. You're part of great ethnicity and its culture.
All I'm saying is: our ethnicities are part of us. Liberalism is part of our culture. New Left wants to destroy it together with our dignity.
So we should tell them to fuck off. We need to celebrate only our own ethnicity. We need to tell immigrants to go fuck themselves. We need to say that liberalism is about speaking your mind, and our mind is telling us that trannies and gays are disgusting, and immigrants are human trash and should be deported.
>>71630410
Statists happened. Everyone is a dum fuck man chilled that thinks the federal government should be their mommy and they deserve te does for going to their stupid ass job at McDonald's
>>71630410
We've become a paper tiger due to multiculturalism and bad government.
>>71651301
A lot of analysts in the mid 20th century were proposing basically a synthesis of the two systems as the final endgame for the world. A hybridization of corporate capitalism and socialism enforced globally under US hegemony.
>>71651884
proof
>>71631743
Well I guess in comparison to the elites controlling the West he's good. But that's mostly because the elites here are such fucking liberal h0mos that even a thieving semi-monarch is miles ahead of them.
>>71630410
If you knew russian history you wouldn't be asking. The jew is why.
>>71651301
>>71652213
>>71653060
I'm just really surprised that FBI and CIA didn't stop it.
>>71653258
Letting it continue was in the interests of the globalist liberal elite. And the government works for them.
>>71633015
>I believe that by "income disparity" isn't wrong by definition.
Of course not. But extreme disparity hurts everyone involved.
Of course the CEO's and top class should earn a fair amount more than their employees. But currently in the US 'fair' is completely gone. They use all their power to squeeze more out of their workers to the detriment of the entire economy (poorer people tend to spend more of their earned income, so when less money goes to them it hurts demand.)
>>71653877
Yep, that's true, but as I said it's a very slippery road.
We can have a situation where business owners exploit people. But in USSR we had the opposite. everything went to the "people" (well, government). We all know how it ended.
In economy, we face a choice: either people are driven by their greed or by the force. In the first case, you have price hiking, wage reducing, law lobbying machine, but at least you have enough supply. In the latter case, you have workers who pretend to work and employers who pretend to pay. Needless to say there's no incentive nor supply of goods.
>>71632508
>>71632334
>2 ruskies arguing in english for western eyes
nice try shillbots
>>71630410
Liberals happened, we used to be a conservative country of freedoms before the liberals started their communist bullshit
>>71656409
Try harder.
I was genuinely interested how CIA and FBI and other forces didn't stop the surge of the left in US. Some people are quick to grab pitchforks as soon as someone says anything about bad about US.
I simply speak what I see. I assume people from US know as much about Russian history as I know about American history. I just hope some people in this thread got some benefit from it.
If you think I try to persuade you that Putin or Russia is good—forget it. I'm warning you so that you don't get something worse than we had in Soviet times. I'm against the New Left, Marxism and other jewish ideas, because it's our common enemy even if you don't realize it or don't want to accept it.
>>71631272
>I couldn't believe US fell for the virus of communism. Nowadays we have a self-proclaimed socialist running in elections and even having some potential to win.
OI, FORGOT TO CHANGE YOUR PROXY, CУКA TЫ ЧEКИCTCКAЯ?
>>71630410
You ever have a group of overprotective mothers who tried to change something in your school? In America they realized if they go to the news and publicly shame people, after the initial damage is done even if they are wrong amind corrected the damage is done. That costs money. To avoid losing money or being publicly shamed people pander to the concern trolls. The ONLY reason they have so much power is the media knows taking their side and painting their target as horrible is easy ratingsteps and easy money while making their station look like the good guy
>>71630410
To understand US media find and read Edward Bernays' pamphlet Propaganda (Bernays is using the word positively).
>>71630410
Tы плoхo, Pyccкиoвнa.
Jews and decadence got us
>>71652856
Those are so good!
>>71653258
They were too busy playing around in Latin America with their puppet governments to care.
>>71630410
Old guy here.
I concur, senor rooskie.
But the slide into PC oblivion already had steady momentum before glasnost. After the perceived external existential threat was gone it slipped into hyperdrive. By 9/11 it was too late to save ourselves. Our new gods are Diversity and Race-Based Immigration and tolerance for only one world religion: Islam.
"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro."
>>71630410
>How the hell can this be happening in US
Commie Leftist Jews
>>71660443
Our good ole proletarian food
>>71658737
>>71659131
See >>71652856
И чecтнoe cлoвo, вы блядь зaeбaли. B eбaлo влeпил бы, чтoб нeпoвaднo былo.
Poдилcя, выpoc, живy в Poccии. Игpaл в Пoлe Чyдec, Пeтькy и Bacилия Ивaнoвичa. Дeнди нe былo, Ceгa былa. Ho вы блядь нe пoймeтe нихepa пoтoмy чтo вы блядь нa cвoeй бopдe yжe coвceм yпopoлиcь c пapaнoйeй
>>71659028
OK, will google that.
>>71630410
were are all here shitposting on 4chan waiting for the happening when we can reverse everything
be patient my brothers
>>71661096
Where was the FBI watching?
>>71660901
Can you please explain a little what was that 9/11 changed? In Russia I never got that—the news were just full of conspiracy theories/claims that Bush went to Iraq for oil. How can a tragedy in your country open a road not for rage against Islam, but for something completely opposite?
>>71642896
whats with the "not an argument" meme? The post people reply to it with usually are not trying to actually be arguments in the first place.
>>71661430
Careful, you just might get what you wish for.
>>71630410
We lied. Sorry you believed us.
>>71632836
True. I havet seen anyone who dosent write in cursive in the last 2 years.
>>71630410
> Now back to US. What I completely don't get is how "diversity", which isn't even a word in Russia,
I kekd hard
>>71636189
Not allways. Many just have to use it in their line of work or are simply interested in the language.
>>71662628
The difference is these are mostly illegal immigrants who have no say in anything here, brought exclusively for cheap labor. There's also native population of Russia which is muslim—they're bound to be there because Russia is fucking huge in case you forgot.
I mean "cultural enrichment", "diversity" and other newspeak terms as well as "feminism" aren't even words here. No one pretends immigrant culture is anything other than shit in here and it's not represented in any way. No immigrant singers, actors and so on.
>>71663196
In any case, I can't imagine anyone with utter disgust for US learning the language, unless he absolutely needs it for work.
>>71663196
Using it for work or being interested in different,man. I worked in a construction bureau,most people there know just enough to be able to somehow communicate with foreign partners,but that's just the school program+some practice. There are very few people who actually know the language well enough.
t. educating student morons in a uni
>>71661815
9/11 was something of an opportunity for the american left. Sort of a Vietnam-squared, but this time the hippies were half of the establishment. They completely destroyed the country's ability to make war in its own interest (with help from George "you tried to kill my daddy" Bush). The only a black-female president can gain universal support on military action now and the military could probably refuse orders from a white commander-in-cheif with impunity.
This is all oversimplification, however, and the subject is too broad to approach while one-fingering it on my cell phone. I gotta stop here.
>>71661821
liberal logic
>>71636656
There sure are a lot of them, though. Americans weren't real big fans of the hippies in the sixties.
>>71630410
You don't know the half of it, these days only Poland, Russia, Estonia and Hungary have anything resembling freedom of speech. The rest of the west has a ball gag on their mouths.
>>71662628
http://www.yenisafak.com/en/world/russia-bugs-mosques-in-crimea-2454880
They seem to have some common sense with muzzies at least.
>>71630410
The EU and US are fucked. I mean Russia is a shithole, but its Russia. We on the other hand have no excuse.
Learn from us, Russia! Learnnn frommmm ussss.......
>>71663412
There's this old guy at our office who was forced to learn English or lose his job. He actually resisted for as long as possible. I havet seen this problem nearly as much with our interns or trainees. Seems like the younger generation dont seem so affected by such a mindset and were happy to get lessons paid for by the company. Then again it may be field specific as we handle the export and import certain goods and often are in contact with western partners.
>>71664464
The sad truth is,it is you who should've learned from us. You had the biggest example of the answer to "What would happen if left ideologists run a country" by your side for more than 70 years,and still people seem to repeat the same mistakes. I guess you gotta go throuh it yourself to learn.
>>71663716
Пocмoтpи нa >>71664642
>>71664731
Read it,you are talking about a difference in mindsets,and yeah,while that is certain that younger generations are more receptive to learning a foreign language,it doesn't mean they give enough of a shit to actually study it. Every goddamn time I give my students some extra material just for their benefit,they completely ignore it,while getting the bare minimum to be able to speak at the level slighly higher than "Halo,my name Ivan,I live at Moscow,London is the capital of Great Britain". Very few people outside of the field of linguistics know English well.
>>71664464
>>71664728
This. What can we learn, really? We've been through this shit.
>>71664728
the problem is those in charge took their eye off the ball and let enemies take over the schools.
When I was in high school the principals office was a shrine to communism. He had every marxist statue and poster including a bust of Mao.
Practially every teacher had a poster of Che or Lenin in their classroom.
I even remember one of my teachers saying "If we were living under Communism none of you would have to do homework because everything would be working."
I had to pinch myself not to say anything because I knew they would ruin my grades if they ever knew how I felt.
That is why we have so many morons in my generation that really believe Communism just hasn't been tried yet but if THEY do it it will be awesome.
I hate my generation.
>>71636307
>She talks openly about how sick we are in California for allowing faggots to run freely. Can not understand why we allow welfare, obama care and illegals.
While I was still honing my trade (electrician) in the nineties I worked with lots of Russians. There was a sizeable wave of Russian immigrants in the SF Bay Area. I kind of thought of them as smart mexicans (instead of stealing shitty jobs they took more technical ones).
Error . . . what was my point? Oh yeah:
Of more than a dozen different Russians I worked with, every single one of them had views exactly like your fiancé. They are far more conservative than we are.
>>71665172
http://6abc.com/live/23387/
>>71663864
Thank you.
> They completely destroyed the country's ability to make war in its own interest (with help from George "you tried to kill my daddy" Bush).
Can you elaborate just a bit more? Again, I still barely spoke English at that time and had no internet back in 2001. I know in general terms the war had been a massive failure, Bush left the office the most unpopular president ever or something like that. Here in Russia, it was all mostly portrayed in negative light as always.
>>71665156
Quite sad. Its why i stopped working as a school teacher assistant and began tutoring to help pay for college.
>>71665172
>When I was in high school the principals office was a shrine to communism. He had every marxist statue and poster including a bust of Mao.
>Practially every teacher had a poster of Che or Lenin in their classroom.
Are you kidding or something?
>>71630580
Flag checks out.
>>71665594
Sad indeed,but I got nothing else at the moment,so gotta just make it through the next couple of years until I can finally finish my technical degree and get a comfy job as a techincal interpreter/translator
>>71665859
By the way, it's a bit of an off-topic but… I've always liked languages, so I thought maybe go for a degree. But I've never heard about translators earning much. I thought the market would be oversaturated. Is it worth it? Or am I going to wind up with a worthless piece of paper after 4-5 years of studying?
>>71666081
Going for just basic translation is worthless nowadays,that market is indeed incredibly oversaturated. The only way to get a decent job in the field is getting a specialised translation degree,I'm going for the technical one,I heard judicial is pretty alright too,but there aren't many agencies hiring in that specific field,at least in Moscow. So,if you want to actually earn money that way,you're gonna have to get 2 degrees.
>>71666352
Hm, I've never thought about that. Interesting. Smart choice of a major, indeed.
>>71665386
>Here in Russia, it was all mostly portrayed in negative light as always.
Okay. On that, it was the same here until Bush was out of office. Then their was a veritable media blackout. After Obama took over the media were not very interested in reporting the daily casualties and activities in Iraq.
After 9/11 I paid very close attention to the way our media was handling it. Up to and during the invasion of iraq, the media were co-instagators with the Bush administration. Most of the Democrats, including Hillary, were hawkish and supportive of military action. Once the occupation settled in, they turned on a dime and converted themselves into the anti-war opposition. There were virtually no negative consequences to themselves for this duplicity and today hardly anyone remembers it.
>>71645564
>>71646389
Both communism and capitalism are entirely materialistic ideologies. It's all
>muh MONEY
You will not find anything higher than materialism in them.
>>71667501
I see some typos, but remember I'm using my phone.
>>71667971
Most sciences lack spiritual content.
>>71630410
US has been completely taken over by jews. That's what happened. It has always been the case to a certain extent but never like this. And History show what jews do to a country they control.
>>71630410
Just fuck my shit up senpai
>>71663412
>>71663716
You Ivan pieces of shit have way more brains than our leaders. God damnit, I wouldn't have a problem with ryssä shits invading if all you had good minds like those.
>>71630410
Longest Russian post I've ever read, witnessed
Also, "how could this happen?" I haven't read the thread yet but I'm going to assume there will be plenty of anons pointing out that Russia played the long game in the Cold War, all of your socialist society-terraformers infiltrated us a while ago to clog America's heart valves and rot us from the inside out. We are now seeing the fruits of their propagandizing and machinations. Fortunately, much of the old America is still alive and well.
Just because party members broadcast something over the loudspeakers doesn't mean everyone is listening to their bullshit.
hey russian bros, can i move to your place, i hate america because of all this "diversity" bullshit. im still in college, but i will learn how to properly speak russian and write in cryllic. will you guys let me come over then?
