Vegan Diet Can Save the Planet
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A recent study has shown that a Vegan diet is the best way to feed the planet, while also preventing climate change and deforestation.
http://news.discovery.com/human/vegan-only-world-could-save-global-problems-160419.htm
This, along with the health benefits, provides irrefutable proof that you must go Vegan, /pol/.
>inb4 meat tastes good.
Enjoy your cancer and heart disease.
This will be the next phase of dysgenics. Our diet will consist of less and less calories and our brains will start shrinking. Eventually we'll become apes surrounded by technology that we can't maintain and drift back into the jungle.
>>71625544
Yes.
Meat causes erectile dysfunction. Enjoy your limp dick.
>>71625608
yes?
>>71625608
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1046/j.1464-410x.2000.00436.x/full
Enjoy your pussy and fucked up urethra m8
>>71625675
I was disagreeing with you.
>>71625722
maybe~
The only reason I won't stop eating meat is because I don't want to associate with vegans faggots like you
>>71625608
been eating mostly meat my entire life at 25, and I take an antidepressant
Dick works fine
>>71625377
>implying any of vegan faggots is able to create a good diet without meat
Farting, burping meat eater here.
Animals are tasty and I don't give a fuck about anywhere but the Confederate States of America.
Trump 2016
>>71625590
>implying US citizens consuming less calories is a bad thing
>>71625377
Obviously we don't have the teeth of a carnivore or omnivore because we don't use our mouth as a weapon nor do we use it to cut big chunks of meat. Still doesn't refute the simple fact that we are and have been omnivores since our existence.
No we just have to eat less meat. I know people that will have some form of red meat every meal. Red meat should be once a week max, then chicken/fish 2 times a week.
>>71625608
Bullshit. Meat does wonders to your testosterone.
This displays one example of a single species for each type of eating. The source of this poster is bananagirldiet.com and some random spanish organisation, not a single reliable source. Humans cook meat, meaning that our canines are able to became smaller. Also the creator literally copy-pasted frugivore to human, there are differences that were optionally ignored and also, why are sweat glands even mentioned?
>>71625703
Population for the experiment is a little less than 8000 of which only 50 cases were prevalent. garbage post from garbage person.
I completely agree
Even though id be hard pressed to give up eggs
>>71625993
Never claimed we weren't omnivores, Anon. Just that our digestive system is designed optimally for fruit.
A dog can eat fruit, just like we can eat meat-it doesn't mean we should.
>>71625377
These monkeys don't seem to fit your little chart?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YMXk5Z6-IHY
>>71626101
>I have never taken a Statistics course in my life
Discarded & filtered, you faggot.
>>71626087
>A penile erection is the hydraulic effect of blood entering and being retained in sponge-like bodies within the penis.
Atherosclerosis causes limp dick. Mechanistic data shows that meat and cholesterol causes Atherosclerosis, hence, why meat eaters get a limp dick more often than vegans.
>>71625608
Please help me repent for being vegetarian. I consume milk and eggs and contribute to the meat industry indirectly this way
>>71626283
Milk is worse than meat, Anon.
Eggs..... Look up the Harvard study showing that an egg a day had the same mortality rate as smoking 5 fags a day.
>>71625377
Actually, humans have the strongest biteforce per square inch of any primate. I mean, gorillas can chew your face off, but they have a big jaw. We have tiny jaws, but lots of rip.
Most people who get food poisoning eat something either from a plant or from bad seafood. I eat mostly meat. It's the only time my scalp doesn't itch. I can't eat garlic; it goes right through me, and makes me itch. I can't eat peaches, they give me stomach problems. My body is literally designed for meat. I eat raw meat sometimes. I work on a boat and eat raw mussels and raw scallops (sometimes raw lobster); I have the strongest immunity in my family; my family can pass the flu for a month, but I might feel sick for one day, or maybe not at all.
>>71626136
>Just that our digestive system is designed optimally for fruit
Then why can a human's liver only store roughly 100 grams worth of fructose? If you get most of your calories from fruits, you're bound to develop a fatty liver.
>>71626269
>Atherosclerosis causes limp dick. Mechanistic data shows that meat and cholesterol causes Atherosclerosis, hence, why meat eaters get a limp dick more often than vegans.
Cholesterol is NEEDED to function as a healthy male, testosterone is created from cholesterol. Have you ever thought how backwards it would be for an animal (human) to evolve eat meat if it caused one's reproductive fitness to reduce greatly in the form of ED?
I really don't know where you get these claims from. Not only do they go against current understand of nutritional biology, but defy common sense too.
>>71626429
>Eggs..... Look up the Harvard study showing that an egg a day had the same mortality rate as smoking 5 fags a day.
Confirmed for troll.
>>71625377
Most of the health benefits of veganism can also be obtained with a paleo-diet
http://www.nature.com/ejcn/journal/v63/n8/abs/ejcn20094a.html
So might as well not become a flamboyant pussy and go paleo.
>>71625608
>>71625377
>join my shitty religion
>believe my anti-truth propaganda graphic
Kill yourself, subhuman shitheel.
Literally gas all vegans. They're fucking worse than muslims.
Milk is linked to cancer, osteoporosis and gyno.
http://nutritionstudies.org/12-frightening-facts-milk/
>won't eat meat because it's unhealthy
>eats shittons of fruits
>it's natural!!!
>>71625377
>I didn't take zoology 101, the post
If eating meat isn't natural, then why did our cave dwelling ancestors start in the first place?
>>71626619
Only in the case of US made milk that's milked from cows that are grown on hormones and antibiotics.
>>71625377
It's not so much that I should eat, it's that others should starve
>>71626601
Enjoy dying earlier.
>After adjustments, vegetarians (all vegetarians combined) had a 12% reduction in the risk of death from any cause compared with non-vegetarians
Vegetarian Dietary Patterns and Mortality in Adventist Health Study 2. Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) Internal Medicine. Published online June 3 2013
>>71626429
>Eggs..... Look up the Harvard study showing that an egg a day had the same mortality rate as smoking 5 fags a day.
lmao
>>71625377
Linda McCartney doing well is she?
>>71626726
Nope... Europe contains harmful compomds and hormons as well
>>71626718
So that they can develop human civilization to a point where their decedents are so safe and live in such a stable and consistent environment, that they begin thinking up stupid things to do and undo everything those cavemen strive to ultimately accomplish.
>>71626981
*compounds and hormones
Mobile
>>71626718
Appeal to nature fallacy
>>71627034
Eating meat didn't cause us to evolve to our current state. It was cooking food and working in groups.
stop shilling
>>71625377
Is that a chimp's mouth on the pic?
Chimps are omnivores, they eat insects and small mammals.
>>71626946
http://www.diseaseproof.com/archives/cardiovascular-disease-comparing-eggs-to-cigarettes.html
Here you go, Anon.
>>71626601
Are they worse than furries, though?
>>71626833
You have to understand that when studying nutrition you can find studies backing up every possible claim. Your job is to not just read as many studies as you can, but to use your god damn brain to dissect and set truth apart from false, to set propaganda apart from legit research.
>>71626981
The actual point was not where in the world supplementing with hormones and antibiotics is practiced, but to point that it is not the dairy itself that is unhealthy.
>>71627153
>Eating meat didn't cause us to evolve to our current state. It was cooking food and working in groups.
>cooking food
Yes, but that food was mostly meat, fruits/berries and vegetables.
>>71626833
>96469
>age younger than 25 years (n=434)
>churches
Way to sway the results without anyone noticing
>>71627103
It has logical stances, though. If early humans had to thrive to succeed and climb the ladder, passing other organisms, then why did they eat meat, an alleged detrimental source of nutrition? There are many claims that fire (to cook meat) lead to early humans' extra time (easier to digest, less disease, increases nutrient-hunting/eating ratio of energy consumed-used).
>>71627234
This.
Vegans get fucked.
If it fits in your mouth, eat it. If not, bite it with your sharp teeth. Fuck, even human pre-molars are sharp. We lack grind surfaces that leaf eaters have in abundance.
>>71626833
What about the metastudy with 200,000 data points that showed pescatarians beat out every other group by a country mile in longevity?
>>71625377
>Vegan Diet Can Save the Planet
Not without a eugenics program it can't.
>>71625377
>>while also preventing climate change and deforestation
AHAHAHAHAHAHA
TELL THAT TO THE THOUSANDS OF MILES OF RAINFOREST THAT HAVE BEEN CLEAR CUT FOR YOUR FUCKING SOY LATTE YOU NUMALE FUCK
>>71627574
Don't recall seeing it, Anon. Post link, might be an interesting read.
>>71625377
Ha, you can call your own canines rudimentary and blunt, but mine are magnificent
>>71627684
Great argument. https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn25795-going-vegetarian-halves-co2-emissions-from-your-food/
>>71626005
>I know people that will have some form of red meat every meal.
I'm one of them you pussy faggot.
>>71625377
Frugivore? use a chimpanzee's set of teeth?
Chimpanzee hunt in groups.
When they meet rival chimpanzee, they will fight them, they will eat the baby Chimpanzee's of their rival tribe.
check fucking mate.
we are all design to eat meat and digest meat.
I am a former vegan. I can tell you with 100% certainty that being a vegan is not about what you can and cannot eat, but more about the telling others that you cannot. It's all about being superior, you do not actually care about your cause. The cause itself is illegitimate, as well. In many vegan studies, a few key elements are omitted because they go against the narrative. For example, vegans are very concerned about the amount of energy that goes into raising food (water, CO2, fuel for raising/transport, etc.), but they omit the facts around the amazing amount of water required to raise rice, or the amount of energy needed to raise nuts.
The moral argument is for weak beta men, man up. Ideally, we would all hunt for our meet, which is what I intend to teach myself.
In conclusion, vegans are morally superior fedora-tippers who care not about their cause, but about how much pussy they can get. Over half of vegans are female, and women are known to be very emotional, at times a detrimental quality (you knew damn well I was a snake, woman!).
Why do some urban dwelling meat eaters hate hunters?
>>71625377
>climate change
>>71628022
Not you again. Appeal to nature fallacies are worthless.
Meat is linked to increased type 2 diabetes risk. Enjoy.
http://m.care.diabetesjournals.org/content/27/9/2108.full
>mfw /pol/acks who can't cook think it's impossible to live off a balanced diet without meat
>they use it as an excuse not to learn
I thought you were better than this.
>>71625377
The planet will be fine. Climate change is horseshit. And there are more trees today than there were 100 years ago.
>>71627248
That article looks like it was written based on studies done during the cholesterol scare days before there was an understanding of how good and bad cholesterol worked. Oddly the most recent study cited had findings contrary to the article's premise which makes me think it's heavily cherry picked. Based on American Heart Association guidelines around two eggs a day would actually be a very good way to get your recommended cholesterol intake.
>>71627888
DELICIOUS delicious Nigella, she even has an amazing rack.
>>71626545
You can't prove any of that
>>71628349
You a vegan/vegetarian, Anon?
I know meat consumption is high in Poland.
>>71628349
Most pollacks are just edgy contrarians, often underage.
They end up shilling for people like shapiro, trump, molyneux, milo...
>>71628349
>Can't cook
>Eat meat
This is dangerous, who does this?
If you can't cook you can eat veg easy.
Do you mean can't cook = eating out?
Do you mean eating out = meat?
I think you're just a faggot and wrong.
>>71625377
>vegan is the only way
Do you really think people want to live on your shitty diet. You eat in moderation and you'll be fine, no matter if it's meat.
>>71628419
But I can disprove it. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/02/140226075021.htm
>vegans believe this
>>71628635
I value the life of a dog more than that of a nigger.
>>71625377
>muh climate change
>baltic sea is full of biological weapons dumped there after WW2
>factories dump untreated toxic waste straight into our rivers
>mines do the same thing
>but leftists bitch about carbon
>fucking CARBON
>>71627694
This one deals with just heart disease, though it finds pescatarians at the top with lacto-ovo vegetarians. One of the big issues for vegans is omega-3 fatty acid intake, as Alpha linoleic acid in flax seeds and such is extremely inefficiently converted to usable forms by the body. I'm looking for the one on frank longevity still, but I'm not at a place with uni access right now, so it is a bitch to search.
Am J Clin Nutr. 1999 Sep;70(3 Suppl):516S-524S.
Mortality in vegetarians and nonvegetarians: detailed findings from a collaborative analysis of 5 prospective studies.
Data for 76172 men and women...
...in comparison with regular meat eaters, mortality from ischemic heart disease was 20% lower in occasional meat eaters, 34% lower in people who ate fish but not meat, 34% lower in lactoovovegetarians, and 26% lower in vegans. There were no significant differences between vegetarians and nonvegetarians in mortality from cerebrovascular disease, stomach cancer, colorectal cancer, lung cancer, breast cancer, prostate cancer, or all other causes combined.
>>71628635
Feels good to be a vegetarian tbqh
>>71628633
The burden is on you to prove your side.
>>71628759
Humans contain carbon.
We breathe carbon.
>Leftist calling for our deaths
WWIII when?
>>71628877
Those dogs want to be eaten. You can't prove they don't.
>>71625377
Fuck off Irish cunt
>>71628926
>We breathe carbon.
Sentient maple tree detected. I always knew the trees held the real power in Canada.
>>71628877
look how happy they are :3
they want to be sacrificed, so let them
Fuck you.
My life > some faggots life who lives in the future
>>71628915
I've posted sources, more so than the other Anon.
>>71625608
I eat meat and my dick works as intended.
>>71629047
>My life > some faggots life who lives in the future
If you value your life than you'd want to live a long and healthy life. A vegan diet is the best for this criteria.
Cite China Study.
>>71625608
I eat meat everyday I am sexual tyrannosaurus.
>>71625377
How were you raised such a fucking retard?! Get the fuck out of here. Move to California and don't spread your shit on this island. You spastic shite!
>>71629371
Nah...
Vegans are faggots.
Faggots support Sanders.
You aren't a faggot Sanders supporter are you?
>>71625377
I mean it's true that vegitarian or vegan ism makes more sense health wise environmentally and economically but f you really think anyone is going to give up delicious shit because of logic you are sadly mistaken
Though I've never understood /pol/s hate for veganism it it because vegans are annoying or because you really are that insecure
>>71625377
I don't give a fuck meat tastes delicious and gives me great gains.
We went from cave dwellers to building skyscrapers and microchips when humans introduced meat into their diet.
>>71629533
I supported Cruz, at first, because I thought he was similar to Ron Paul.
Now.... he's too shady.
>>71628683
>>71628877
It's a pig you autists.
>>71629463
Seriously. Where were you raised?! Are you current a part of the fag epidemic?
>>71629588
>We went from cave dwellers to building skyscrapers and microchips when humans introduced meat into their diet
No it was because of cooking and workinin groups.
>>71629534
Try eating raw meat alone, lol.
>>71625377
But wait, would this require massively increasing agricultural output? The best way to do that being destruction of vast native prairies, use of vast amounts of water and chemical fertilizers, and a massive transportation network to move food around too keep up the nessicary dietary requirements?
>>71627153
>>71629754
Cooking what, fruit?
>>71625377
What primates are not omnivores?
They all eat at least bugs and small animals on a regular basis as far as I know.
>>71629739
Fags are degenerate. I voted no.
I was raised in Mayo. Grew up on a farm and studied vet med.
>>71625377
You do know that animal products, notably manure and other natural fertilizers, would still be needed if we were going to feed the entire planet without meat?
Also, I don't think there's even enough land to feed billions exclusively vegan.
Last but not least, humans can process versions proteins from animal sources much better than vegetal ones.
>muh cruelty
Life is not fair.
>>71629910
Certain protein*
>>71625377
Human dentition is meant to eat soft, cooked foods, not solely plants, so that pic is already full retard
>>71629910
>humans can process versions proteins from animal sources much better than vegetal ones.
Source: your ass.
>>71629754
cook these nuts
>>71625377
Hitler was a vegetarian, is that alone not a good enough reason to stop eating meat?
>>71629534
It's because of vegans that everyone hates veganism, not because omnivores are "insecure" or "defensive". Veganism, for the most part, just comes across as cult behavior because the faggots who preach veganism tend to be dogmatic fucktards. I've met many vegans who are way more militant about their veganism than muslims are about eating halal.
>>71630018
Cannibalism is meat based, so no thanks.
>>71630001
Can't be bothered to look for sources on my phone, I do agree that I should provide them however. Maybe in one of your next 25 threads I'll have a chance to source you adequately, hmm?
>>71629222
Just like me
>>71625377
Go shitpost this on a third-worlder website. They need it more than westerners.
Instead of teeth, what about eyes in front of head means predator, and eyes on side of head means faggot herbivore animal?
>>71630021
Based Adolf
>>71625377
My food eats your food.
>>71630001
All your sources are cherrypicked bullshit.
But no, thats fine just tell people they are wrong on the internet. See where that gets you in life.
>>71626833
>Enjoy dying earlier.
because life is a competition on who can prolong their miserable life the longest?
>>71625377
I like meat. Deal with it you faggot.
>>71630001
Also, what about my first two points? Gonna address them at any point?
>>71630215
>Have shitty genetics
>Be vegan
>Die young anyway
>Have good genetics
>eat an assortment of foods
>live long
Vegans thinking they are going to prolong their life to any significant degree is humorous.
>>71630021
Love Hitler, but also love someone who drives a Ford. However, I will eat and drive a Chevy until I breath my last.
>>71629683
for you
>>71625716
Underrated.
I'd become a vegan, but then I'd have to tell everyone that I'm a vegan, and that they should be vegans.
>>71626545
It's vegan pseudo-science. Literally all proper scientific literature admits that the vegan diet is extremely unhealthy. They shelter themselves in their little echo chamber safe spaces and spread flawed studies all the while basking in their false sense of moral superiority though.
>>71629910
>You do know that animal products, notably manure and other natural fertilizers, would still be needed if we were going to feed the entire planet without meat?
There are other fertilisers besides manure or FYM that contain no products, also you don't need to kill animals for manure, just harvest their shit, economics.
>Also, I don't think there's even enough land to feed billions exclusively vegan.
Citation needed. Plant based diets use less resources than animals. Cite earlier study.
>>71625608
I'm vegan and I have a limp dick.
>>71629910
I am totally anti-vegan, but you have to know that it takes 10 times more land and crops to raise domesticated livestock as it does to make plant products right, Francetard?
>>71625377
lol vegans
>>71628052
This, exactly. It sons race the planet. The sheer amount of agricultural resources that would need to be devoted to sustaining a totally vegan society would trump what we have now. You'd have to cut down more forests, level parties, use more insecticides and fertilizers, etc. You know, since you can't be vegan unless everything you eat is organic. There's no way you'd be able to feed the planet that way. We can only do it now since we feed animals the shitty grain that is unfit for us to eat, which is easily grown in mass quantities.
>>71626269
>Atherosclerosis
Excess cholesterol causes Atherosclerosis idiot. And not all meet causes it. It was been shown that
Vegans can't cope with the Idea that there's a perfectly healthy balance of meet you can eat.
>>71630837
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1312295
>4% of the world is vegan
>we use 35% of land for crops, 65% for grazing land
>vegans think if the world is 100% vegan somehow we wont need to use 25 times more land than we do now
>>71625377
Why vegans are always so irritable and hateful ? They can complain about meat food eternally but nobody cares about their "superior ration", so they live and die as angry cunts.
>>71625377
the best way to feed the planet is battling overpopulation
>>71625544
FIRST
POST
BEST
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>>71625377
>Monkeys are exclusively frugivore
Stop this meme.
>>71630745
WHY IS HE TURNING GREEN
>>71630819
I blame women, letting emotions run the brain has lead to the downfall of society, no more reasoning left anymore. Literally every woman I have talked to is hyper-sensitive and does not hesitate to resort to dehumanization of dissenting opinions. Fuck this gay earth, basically.
>>71630745
ayy lmao
>>71630819
>The sheer amount of agricultural resources that would need to be devoted to sustaining a totally vegan society would trump what we have now.
That's literally physically impossible considering energy losses as you go up trophic levels (animals turns most of what they eat in energy to live and only a small part of it is actually turned into edible meat).
>You know, since you can't be vegan unless everything you eat is organic.
Says who?
Deer eats bird
https://youtu.be/2q91dUtDYkU
>>71630955
>The appendages of carnivores are claws; those of herbivores are hands or hooves.
Primates eat meat you stupid retarded fuck. The thing is we as humans increased our meat consumption when we first cooked it. Making it easier and safer to digest.
>Risk factors include hypercholesterolemia, systemic hypertension, diabetes mellitus, obesity, low HDL cholesterol, cigarette smoking, and inactivity.
See? Excess cholesterol
>>71625377
Cause im transhumanist, how dare you say tell me to change my all meat diet when i am a cat. Don't come near me or my kitten ever again
>>71631114
Swissbro is right here. We must stop the niggers (dark, sand and white) from breeding too much.
>>71625377
>goes through all the vores.
>gets to human
>doesn't say omnivore
What the fuck dude
Deer eats bird 2
https://youtu.be/sQOQdBLHrLk
>>71628877
Th-there's literally one crushed to death at the bottom of the cage.
Fuck the chinese.
>>71631155
>letting emotions run the brain has lead to the downfall of society
Acutally, the opposite is true, I used science to reach my conclusion. It's the likes of you, that use emotional thinking to reach a conclusion:appeal to nature fallacy.
>>71630714
>Gaul bladder
>>71631395
Cow eats chicken
https://youtu.be/R9vxHN8_jSE
Jesus, not this shit again.
When SHTF, we're rounding the vegans up and shooting them.
An omnivorous lifestyle can be supported without industrial society. A vegan one cannot.
>>71631430
Cow and chicken
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dv2ekimi7lw
>>71631255
Read further on.
>>71625377
Not breeding so much will save it even more.
Kill every jew , muslim and every shitskin and watch as the world turns beautiful once again.
>>71631504
>Kill every jew , muslim and every shitskin and watch as the world turns beautiful once again.
I'd rather this than everyone being vegan tbqh.
>>71631368
Ask yourself if you put your bias aside. I was a vegan, more so than you. I started these threads and got heated, just like you. But I am open to evidence, veganism is a circle-jerk cult full of superior-minded idiots who disregard human nature. Literally all other animals have ancestors that consumed other animals.
Also, the appeal to nature fallacy has some reason when the argument is not simply "Animals did it and so should we, almighty natural law is highest!"
See: >>71627563
>>71631169
You left out the part where I pointed out that we feed animals the grains that we can't eat ourselves. Examples would be corn in America (not the corn we eat on the cob, this kind is intended to be used in corn syrup and livestock feed fillers ect), among other grains. These grain are incredibly productive. Just compare the yields of the grains used to feed livestock to the yields of commercial produce regularly consumed and required by vegans. Livestock can also be grazed, thereby eating grass, something we can't eat. A completely vegan would would be a much less environmentally friendly one.
>says who?
Vegans. You can't deflect this. Almost all of them believe this.
Deer eating steak
https://youtu.be/PrH46p1I3UA
>>71625377
see this map. The coloured part can continue to eat meat while the shitty poor parts can live of plants and grass.
>>71631169
>That's literally physically impossible considering energy losses as you go up trophic levels
Having to convert large amounts of non arable land that's currently used for grazing like in the American southwest would be incredibly energy intensive consider the only viable source of water would be desalination.
>>71631696
Big cats eating watermelon.
https://youtu.be/8edVU2eo3AY
>>71631488
>What are the major sources of cholesterol in calories?
>Cholesterol comes from animals and their products. Therefore, if we do not eat animals and their products, we do not take in cholesterol. Most Americans now take in only about 300 to 400 mg of cholesterol daily.
This is what you wanted me to read right? RIGHT? just stop eating 2KG of burgers a day and replace it for a nice 200 g hanger's steak (non fatty) fish or chicken breast and you'll be fine.
Again, cholesterol is needed in humans, Hypocholesterolemia is fucking bad on the long term.
Vegans always link shit like this with the consumption of ANY animal product. Which is not the case.
>>71631711
Tweet this to donald.
>>71631832
The point is that animal products are the cause of Atherosclerosis. Cholesterol is produced naturally. No need to eat any meat.
Also, as you may know, meat is linked to increased diabetes, dementia and cancer risk. There is no logical reason to eat meat.
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/why-fire-makes-us-human-72989884/?no-ist
>>71631006
you fucking idiot
i eat meat daily and its a simple matter of fact that meat takes more ressources to produce
>>71631124
vegan hulk
>>71632016
>i eat meat daily and its a simple matter of fact that meat takes more ressources to produce
Go vegan.
>>71627888
Literally facebook tier arguments.
/pol/ I know the veganism is hard to swallow but come up with cohesive arguments instead of this rubbish.
>>71632003
>The point is that animal products are the cause of Atherosclerosis
No, eating excess fat is the cause of Atherosclerosis, you can eat meat and not have atherosclerosis, any normal person without Hypercholesterolemia are a counter example to your retarded ass argument.
>>71632174
Logic on/pol/? Wow.
>>71632003
>animal products are the cause of Atherosclerosis
No. Not even the source you provided claims that. Stop lying.
>Cholesterol is produced naturally.
Only in insignificant wuantities. In order to achieve your daily needed levels you need to consume it.
>meat is linked to increased diabetes, dementia and cancer risk.
Only over eating meat is associated with this. I would also like you to link me the percentage increase in risk per amount of meat consumed. Eating too much fruit also increases the risk of diabetes. Eating too much grain causes gaining weight, etc. Nothing is good in excess. Don't just single out meat. That's being disingenuous.
If humans aren't meant to kill and eat things then why does eating raw fish do nothing but benefit us?
So the more meat I eat, the more niggers starve?
mhmmmm....
>>71632247
Give me one good reason not to. That doesn't involve meat tasting good.
>>71632360
Nothing will ever be a "good" reading to you. You're an ideologue.
>>71632003
http://health.gov/dietaryguidelines/2015-scientific-report/06-chapter-1/d1-2.asp
cholesterol is not a nutrient of concern
meat has no effect on risk of heart attacks
http://www.ncahf.org/articles/o-r/pcrm.html
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15164336
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20683785
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/80/5/1102.full
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19263395
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24217704
http://annals.org/article.aspx?articleid=1846638
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19560285
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24727873
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17425596
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/89/5/1402.full
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19279082
diets with high content of meat cure diabetics
http://dx.doi.org/10.1001/archinte.1920.00100060002001 http://archinte.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=533706 http://www.jci.org/articles/view/100818 http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.0954-6820.1947.tb13795.x/abstract http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3544839 http://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056/NEJM198809293191304 http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/12/2/94 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1461145 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7848401 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9540949 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9853539 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15331548 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15767618 http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/2/1/34/abstract http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/86/2/276
low cholesterol levels cause dementia http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19263395
red meat decreases inflammation and risk of cancer: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17237312
>>71625377
MONKEYS EAT MEAT WHEN THEY CAN get it.
>>71632174
That calculation is wrong. It would require somewhat 300g of broccoli to get 100 kcal whereas steak would take only 50g Even the amount of protein would be different. Broccoli would have 8.3g and steak 10.2 grams of protein.
>>71632174
>
ok ill bite (haha) there are 271 calories in 100g of steak 34 calories in 100g of broccoli so you would have to eat like 7X more broccoli to get as much protein in 100g of steak
>>71632174
Those are made up stats and you know it. Steak has way more, and Broccoli near to nothing
>>71625377
>implying monkeys eat fruit and no meat
Hahahahahaha nigga what the fuck is a frugivore like just look at their diet and walk away
>>71632546
Big cats eat fruit when they can get it.
>>71632174
>>71632263
According to the USDA's Agricultural Research Service's Nutrient Data Laboratory database, 100 calories of broiled beef, top sirloin steak has exactly 11.08 grams of protein and 100 calories of chopped, raw broccoli has exactly 8.29.
If you are going to argue, it might be good to use factual sources.
Want to argue on the quality of protein too? Pretty sure when it comes to amino acid composition which are necessary for functional protein intake the difference is going to be massive.
Hint: Meat protein is complete, plant base sources almost entirely will be deficient in one or more necessary amino acids which is why complementary proteins are required.
>>71632419
That's why you shouldn't even bother arguing with vegans. Eat your meat and tell them to fuck off.
>>71632360
The relativist will bring us all down by questioning objective truths that have lead to human innovation and our success as a species.
See: >>71632012
While it is interesting to abstain from meat and dairy, I am not sure it is healthy to deviate from our inherent diet as homo sapiens. If vegans are concerned about moderation (excessive energy use to raise animals that 'cost' a lot to transport), then why do they completely abandon certain foodstuff, but flock to things like nuts and beans, which also require lots of energy to maintain?
The moral argument for veganism is one of a weakling who cannot fathom the idea of a superior species. We are the apex predators.
>>71632174
Ironically your facebook image argument is wrong. Going off USDA nutritional information 100 calories of steak would have around 9 grams of protein and the broccoli would have around 8.
>>71632016
thats a stupid fucking argument, even if meat takes more energy to produce humans still cant eat fucking grass like cows can, we may as well let them eat the grass so we can convert it into something that we can actually digest
>>71632360
nutritional value and utility
>>71632604
>If you are going to argue, it might be good to use factual sources
Never agreed with his picture. Just his comment on the Gillian Mcceath picture from the other Anon.
Who gives a shit?
>>71631711
Plis let us in
>>71632719
Citation needed.
>>71625377
>vegan
Nice try pajeet now turn off that proxy. I'm eating cow right now...
And learn to poo in loo
>>71632717
if you think they only eat grass you are severely mistaken
and the land used for your 'grass' could instead be used for different crops
every meat calory takes several plant calories to produce
>>71625377
>feed the planet
You know, lack of food is not the problem, is that people are fucking poor to pay for it
>>71632849
Didn't you post this last night?
>>71625377
Not eating meat makes you sad though :/
Just look at vegans, they are sad as fuck. All of them have some kind of mental illness too. Depressed, hysteric, maniacs.
>>71632428
Notice how the vegans ITT simply ignored all your sources. They don't care about the truth. They just want to push their ideology.
>>71632814
lol u dumbass
go look up the nutritional content of meat
and utility is a given, you dont need a citation for that
>>71632360
less animals die if you eat grass fed beef than if you eat vegan because mice and shit are caught in the farming equipment and die, also you're a faggot if you don't eat meat
>>71632899
I'm a vegan, and I'm happy.
>>71632976
you are lying to yourself
https://authoritynutrition.com/7-evidence-based-health-reasons-to-eat-meat/
Kill yourself op
>>71632742
>Never agreed with his picture. Just his comment on the Gillian Mcceath picture from the other Anon.
Fair enough. I retract pulling you into that comment if that was what you were referencing. I also agree that using an argument from the appearance of someone stupid.
Also Gillian McKeith or whatever is scummy, and I'm glad she got into hot water for using "Dr." after getting her degree from a diploma mill.
>>71632875
>and the land used for your 'grass' could instead be used for different crops
If you think this then don't claim that veganism is environmentally friendly. You literally just advocated for destroying a natural ecosystem in order to make more farmland.
Meat is the most efficient way of getting the nutrients you need into your body. It is the duty of the apex predator to hunt and kill to eat. It shouldn't be a lifestyle, but a change of diet, something done out of boredom or some dumb shit.
Vegans do have a point that modern Western diets are unhealthy, but the solution is not to become an emotionally-charged hippie.
Also this >>71632932
>>71632913
I'll go through the studies later and analyse them. I've got a folder with more than 500 articles showing how a vegan diet is better. On mobile. Will lost dump in new thread.
>>71632976
Look dude, I agree with you. I love animals, I don't give a fuck if it's healthy or not. And I do think that climate change is because of humans.
But I am just too weak to give up meat, sorry dude.
And seriously, all the Vegans I have met, have had some depression of some kind.
>>71632976
Nah, you're not, I've never met a happy vegetarian/vegan
>>71632003
>Don't want to die of hyponatremia? Just don't drink water
Can't argue with that logic!
>>71632875
>and the land used for your 'grass' could instead be used for different crops
Typically it can't. You can graze cattle in the American southwest but it would be impossible to grow crops there without substantial infrastructure projects to transport water and increase soil quality.
>>71633132
so you need to make these threads on the go huh?
Show the rest of the skull and post that picture, it's proven that the human skull doubled in size when humans began eating meat. That very act of increasing energy (or calories for the sensitive Americans) by not foraging is what eventually enabled civilisation.
You owe your shitposting ability to your meat eating ancestors. Without their innovation of hunting you would be a microcephalic ape.
Motherfucker.
>>71633096
She also advocated diets with less than 1500 calories. Charlatan.
Never knew about the doctor thing.
>>71633146
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNgA06xE_Ng
look at how happy she looks
>>71633207
At Uni for the week. PC is at home.
>>71631832
>cholesterol
Dumbfuck.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cholesterol#Biosynthesis
>>71633270
RAW VEGANISM IS RETARDED
You can have as much junk food as you want on a vegan diet, it's not purely about health.
>>71632875
>what is topsoil
do you understand what happens if you just grow plants in an area? there isn't just infinite energy in the soil it needs to be replenished and large groups of herbivores are the only things that can do this, cows among other herbivores are the reason there is topsoil there in the first place and cows are the only sustainable way to feed the world, besides calories from meat are much better than calories from plants anyway
>>71632559
This.
Those numbers were made up. I tried going vegan...I row competitively. Even with the right foods, I had to supplement to maintain mass. Basically if you're vegan and you live an athletic lifestyle you're eating and shitting alllll the fucking time. I normally eat 5-6 times a day, ~35g of protein each meal. When I tried going vegan I had to eat considerably more volume of food each meal to get the same macros.
And don't give me the BS of those "vegan" athletes. They also happen to abuse gear and eat $100+ of supplements a week.
So while going vegan may be viable for someone wanting to lose weight and get healthier if they weren't already. For very active lifestyles it ain't great.
Also, the diet left my mind feeling foggy with poor short term memory after about 6 weeks of trying it. Perhaps it was the lack of animal fats in the diet.
>>71633341
Most junk food have at least one component derived from animal sources.
>>71633106
you idiot
that appeal to nature is retarded
I would have never expected to defend veganshits in a bait thread because some meateaters are that unintelligent
>>71633213
>hurr retarded cavemen ate meat so I should eat it too
You don't owe shit to a bunch of idiots who managed to squirt out a baby before dying at age 25.
>>71633434
All athletes abuse gear otherwise they wouldn't win jackshit.
That's not an argument.
>>71633132
You can find 500 articles showing eating shit is a healthy part of a balanced diet if you go looking for them.
>>71632898
Last night? I haven't been on this site for a week pooinloo
vegans suffer from more mental disorders http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0195666305000346
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF01963568
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF02637069
>>71633499
Stupid cunt, eating meat effected evolution.
Brits can be as dense as Americans.
>>71633483
What the fuck are you even saying now? You're making no sense. Maybe think about what you want to say before typing it out.
im not against veganism or vegetarianism, but lets start with getting rid of the billions of useless niggers and muslims first. this is the core problem, not anything else.
At this point, both sides will show proof and debunk the others evidence, but vegans will just say that it is flawed data or biased, and so will the other side: you cannot convince a cultist, so let that argument go. Vegans can survive, but it is pitiful to always be looking behind your back for ingredients, especially when you must eat enormous amounts of food.
A better issue to examine would be the reason as to why one would become a vegan in the first place. Usually, it's because they believe if you don't drive a Prius you should be purged or that they are emotionally-charged chicks.
>>71633535
Some leaf posted same thing last night.
>>71633132
and how many of them are epidemiological studies? comparing meat eaters to vegans in the general population is useless because vegans tend to smoke and drink less and exercise more, in short vegans give more of a fuck about their health
>>71633499
Those cave men were able to survive in an environment where you couldn't go to a store and buy food, knives, weapons, clothes or matches. I'm pretty sure that they were smarter than the average fuck alive today. The dumb ones likely died off.
>>71633499
actually you do owe them quite a bit
http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2008/04/eating-meat-led-to-smaller-stomachs-bigger-brains/
>>71633587
It was cooking and working in groups, not meat eating.
>>71633421
we dont live in antique times anymore. chemical fertilizer revolutionized agriculture. and crops arent the only thing that require infrastructure
and which calories are better kinda depends
>>71633652
> im not against veganism or vegetarianism, but lets start with getting rid of the billions of useless niggers and muslims first. this is the core problem, not anything else.
American suburbs would be a better target, desu.
>>71633632
which parts do you fail to comprehend?
>>71633686
A large amount are mechanistic studies.
>>71625801
>The only reason I won't stop eating meat is because I don't want to associate with vegans faggots like you
I've recently gone vegan because we've reached the point where the research on the health benefits of a diet based on whole plant foods and the damage you do to your body by eating animal foods is impossible to deny. But I'd never admit it unless I was really pressed precisely because the average vegan and the perception people have of vegans because of them is so incredibly negative that I refuse to be associated with them.
Besides, most "vegans" are unhealthy lumps of shit anyway and just eat french fries, dairy-free macaroni and cheese and coconut milk ice cream.
>>71633587
Eating meat barely affected our evolution at all.
Apart from our biological need for B12 which we can take supplements for, there is nothing about the human body that requires meat that we can't get from other sources.
>>71633841
Damn. Liam is a pro at that game.
>>71633652
SOYLENT GREEN IS PEOPLE!
Chimps eat meat when they can get it
Walking upright is to a large degree an adaptation which allowed primitive humans their most effective form of food gathering before the invention of agriculture: persistence hunting.
The lack of a muzzle does not preclude our ability to eat meat
our urine is acidic
humans do have uricase genes, but they are nonfunctional. Uricase genes are found in basically all mammals, including herbivores
Humans do not require fiber to stimulate peristalsis, it just helps.
The adult human gastro-intestinal track, from mouth to ass, is about 5 times the body length
Human digestion time depends on what we eat. When we eat meat and milk, it's the quickest and most efficient.
Here are some real facts:
Humans can fully digest meat by an array of enzymes and intestinal mechanisms evolved for this purpose. We can (and some do) eat it raw, easily, and in fact can survive COMPLETELY on raw meat (at least until you die of colon cancer, but that would happen after the lifespan of a prehistorical human)
Humans have no capacity to digest cellulose, and as such could not efficiently consume almost any plants until the advent of selective breeding allowed for the creation of plant breeds which over produced starches.
>>71633787
You consistently fail to provide rational arguments. The problem is with your understanding of science and agriculture, not mine. Read a book and stop projecting.
>>71633841
xDDDD
>>71633744
holy shit do you have any idea about how inefficient it is to make fertiliser compared to just having cows on a field? and you want to criticise meat eating because its inefficient, if by infrastructure you mean watering the field when its too dry just like crops need then yeah of course they do
>and which calories are better kinda depends
no it doesn't, calories from beef will always be superior to calories from plants because the nutritional profile suits humans a lot better than fucking plants do, beef has complete amino acid profile and all nutrients are a lot more bioavailable than in plants so they are actually useful
>>71625377
~50 posts
Reddit is all over the place
balance in all things m8
>>71633840
Farm animals require b12 fortification as well.
>>71633961
so instead of specifying what you dont understand you write fallacious drivel and pat yourself on the back
arrogant idiot
>>71633820
>the damage you do to your body by eating animal foods is impossible to deny
This is a blatant lie.
Vegans, does it not bother you that these kinds of SJWs that Liam BTFOd are your kin?
>>71633841
Also this thread is over, vegans have been outed as low-test, the lack of meat is affecting their reasoning.
If you want to save the earth, put a bullet in your head. I promise I will recycle the shell casing, too, you insufferable morons.
>Check all milkshakes
Vegans btfo
>>71633800
bullshit, unless the people in the study were vegans compared to someone eating less than 5% of their calories from carbohydrates then don't waste my time with these useless studies
>>71634030
>arrogant idiot
There you go projecting again. It's so obvious it's kind of sad.
>>71634070
Enjoy your gyno and ed, meatfags.
Honestly the way I see it is.
Meat eating diet = Nutrients < animals < People.
Vegan diet = Nutrients < People
When people say "meat gives you nutrients" they're talking about the nutrients the animals ate before being slaughtered. That's my logic anyway..
>>71633840
An appropriate protein balance can be obtained from meat, but requires multiple staple plants.
>>71625377
No time to educate. Google soil depletion and have fun watching you vegan hippy dream die like a delicious bacon bag pig.
>>71633992
>beef has complete amino acid profile and all nutrients are a lot more bioavailable than in plants so they are actually useful
berries are fucking god tier tho
>do you have any idea about how inefficient it is to make fertiliser compared to just having cows on a field?
no
>and you want to criticise meat eating because its inefficient
got any sources for efficiency comparison? where did you learn this?
>>71633511
It is. Vegans often point to gear abusing athletes with vegan diets as "proof" of the diet. When it has nothing to do with the food but the supplements and hormones they're pumping into their bodies.
>>71634136
Just let them be. Vegans are like wild sheep with no real purpose.
>>71634150
Your mother tells me I am as stiff as granite. I will pummel my leafcock deep into her tender Italian pussy as I fill her with my meat-derived semen.
>tfw undiagnosed food auto immune disease which is causing me great joint pain, migraines, numbness and fatigue
>doctors can't find anything wrong
What do aside from sudoku
>>71634193
Who is Durianrider or the Fruitarian?
>>71634174
>berries are fucking god tier tho
agreed
>no
then why try and talk on the subject
>got any sources for efficiency comparison? where did you learn this?
it doesn't matter whether its inefficient to have cows on a field because the energy being wasted is NOT ENERGY WE CAN USE
humans are not physically capable of digesting grass however any energy put into making fertiliser could be used to do literally anything else
>Hurr these studies which conflate being fat and not exercising ever with eating meat means that even if you're not a lardass, you'll get atherosclerosis if you eat meat!
Kill yourselves
>>71634381
Go vegan
>>71625377
meat isn't unhealthy.
processed meat is but only because of nitric salt.
hell, even the most reowned and well-educated dietary experts say that eating meat is beneficial.
and you can't lean on pure plant-based only if you are not taking supplements.
>>71633992
>fertiliser
>cows
Most fertilizer is made from natural gas with the Haber process.
When it was first invented, the Haber process needed to compete against another industrial process, the Cyanamide process. However, the Cyanamide process consumed large amounts of electrical power and was more labor-intensive than the Haber process.[9]:137–143
The Haber process now produces 450 million tonnes (440,000,000 long tons; 500,000,000 short tons) of nitrogen fertilizer per year, mostly in the form of anhydrous ammonia, ammonium nitrate, and urea. 3–5% of the world's natural gas production is consumed in the Haber process (~1–2% of the world's annual energy supply).[15][16][17][18] In combination with pesticides, these fertilizers have quadrupled the productivity of agricultural land:
With average crop yields remaining at the 1900 level the crop harvest in the year 2000 would have required nearly four times more land and the cultivated area would have claimed nearly half of all ice-free continents, rather than under 15% of the total land area that is required today.[19]
Due to its dramatic impact on the human ability to grow food, the Haber process served as the "detonator of the population explosion", enabling the global population to increase from 1.6 billion in 1900 to today's 7 billion.[20] Nearly 80% of the nitrogen found in human tissues originated from the Haber-Bosch process.[21] Since nitrogen use efficiency is typically less than 50%,[22] our heavy use of industrial nitrogen fixation is disruptive to our biological habitat.[21][2]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haber_process#Economic_and_environmental_aspects
im fucking hungry guys
>>71625377
>Chimp: Fruits, vegetables, nuts
Do you really have to lie for your worldview to work? I agree that people in general could stand to eat less meat, but there's no dietary reason everyone has to cut it out completely.
>>71634306
try being vegan if it doesn't work become carnivore only eat from butcher
>>71634397
No the point is that meat is high in cholesterol which is the primary cause of Atherosclerosis.
>>71625377
>Enjoy your cancer and heart disease.
I will. Now give me some fucking meat.
>>71634447
why do vegans hate this view?
>>71633228
In the US, she used to have a TV show where she would take people and put them on diets. She believed in things like diagnosing people by looking at their tongues and poop and such.
The school she got her doctorate from was Clayton College of Natural Health, now closed by the government for fraud/diploma mill shit. "Well-known graduates include television nutrition personality Gillian McKeith"
For a time she used Dr. Gillian as her handle, but got sued, and was forced to drop its use or be prosecuted since the school was unaccredited and she was making claims based on her authority as a "doctor."
Outside of that, after reading some of your posts, I feel like I don't disagree with you too much, but I think you'd have better purchase with people with a bit less hyperbole. Granted there is hyperbole from each side, but you can't take the moral high ground getting into the thick of it.
Also, I would greatly object that vegan diets are the only formulation for a healthy or even optimal diet. What I would recommend is that you look into are studies showing multifactoral differences in diet. There is growing evidence that a single diet might not be optimal for everyone. There was a study (and I don't have institutional access right now) which showed that a Mediterranean diet had the best glycemic control, while a traditional low-carb diet showed optimal control of blood lipids and cholesterol, and that a vegetarian based DASH-type diet had the greatest reduction in blood pressure. These sort of individualized dietary interventions seem to be more and more plausible, as Harvard and Rush I believe recently found that the "Mind" dietary approach, which focused on fish, berries, vegetables oils decreased dementia and Alzheimer's risk by up to 50%.
This would also seem to be follow that only some people are affected by the angiotensin response of salt intake, and 25% of people have strong blood sugar responses to carbohydrates.
>>71625377
>Monkies are vegans
Why do vegans keep believing in this. At the very least I thought it was common knowledge that apes eat insects.
>>71634485
cholesterol is not a nutrient of concern http://health.gov/dietaryguidelines/2015-scientific-report/06-chapter-1/d1-2.asp
>>71634495
i actually wonder if their diet turns them into faggots
>>71634579
or mby its the liberal mindset that thinks humans are inferior to animals
>>71634420
why?
>>71634381
well if you dont have any credible sources you are talking out of your ass not any less than I might
I learned back in high school that meat production was generally less efficient. this is also reflected in the price per calory especially of lean meat
of course it wouldnt be the first thing taught in high school that is bullshit. and I myself as omnivore would love to have more solid arguments against vegans. but until I see some good sources I wont change my point of view. and right now I am too lazy to search for sources myself. so instead of dodging either give sources or tell me that you dont have any
>>71625377
Sorry, i like lifting and working out and need meat.
Show me a single vegan who isn't an effeminate, limp-wristed cuckold. That's right, you can't
>keep eating meat as the world falls into the sun
vs.
>save the world, but everyone's a vegan. so everyone's pretty much a sanctimonious faggot
I choose the former
>>71634673
guess its just taking an extreme
>>71634579
it does eating huge amounts of soy does turn them it faggots as well as shitting themselves as children due to having an ultra high fiber diet
>>71634737
>deterministic "study" with a target sample of 2
lol
>>71634445
this @all the people trying to shit on me for saying that producing meat is less efficient
and you call me uneducated about the subject?
advances in agrar tech has increased crops per land more than 10fold in the last 150 years which is why we now have 7.3 billion people but use less land for agriculture than back when we were only 1 billion
>>71625377
Do you know why the shape of the neo-human skull is so different than the skull of a neandertaler?
We humans learned to cook meat and clice it in smaller pieces. Cooked and sliced meat is easier to eat, the human mouth started to shrink with each generation. The brain had more space to develop.
Dont wanna eat meat? Go back to your neandertaler cave you faggot
>>71634677
Health benefits, moral reasons, etc.
No limp dick. Vegan women are really easy as well and skinny as fuck.
>>71632809
The map is old. It includes EU/NATO countries which makes Poland part of it.
>>71634822
didnt neanderthals have larger cranial volume
cooking meat was not responsible for the development of our intelligence, at least I see zero evidence for this to be even remotely true
>>71634485
Not "cholesterol", as in dietary cholesterol, but blood concentration of low density lipoprotein globules, which are caused by being fat and eating a lot of saturated fat. The latter of which, yeah, can be cause by eating an excessive amount of fatty meat, but 1. you can eat meat without being a glutton about it and 2. lean meat exists.
>>71634824
Corn looks delicious.
>>71634803
>Vegan cuck in denial
Let me guess, you're a pushover beta who has forced himself to eating grass because your pussywhipping GF made it a rule.
>>71634822
>>71634901
pic related
>>71634904
>lean meat exists.
>sulfur containing amino acids
>heterocyclic compounds
No thanks
>>71634901
Yes, and their diet was ~85% meat. They cooked it as well.
>>71634688
why is this so hard to understand? cows create top soil by eating and shitting out grass and compressing it into the ground by stepping on it, without cows to do this artificial fertiliser has to be made which requires energy but putting cows on a field doesn't require nearly as much, of course meat production is less efficient than eating plants directly but that doesn't matter because plants can't restore top soil only grazing herbivores can, how are you unable to understand that creating fertiliser takes more energy than putting cows on a field?
>>71634962
>assumptions
But keep posting deterministic "studies" imagecaptions with a target sample of 2.
>>71625377
A recent study has shown that a potato diet is the best way to feed the Irish, while also preventing famine and death by starvation.
http://news.discovery.com/celtic/potato-only-ireland-could-survive-blight-famine-160419.htm
This, along with the health benefits, provides irrefutable proof that you must go Potato-mode, /ire/.
>inengland turnip tastes good.
Enjoy your tasteless food and black death anglo peasents.
>>71635129
Starch solution is great. Proven to reverse type 2/diabetes, reduces risk of cancer etc.
>>71634777
>>71634824
i dont know. the notion of having a exclusive diet is strange... as much as we eat meat we devour huge amounts of vegetables.
but that soy shit sounds scary
>>71634918
actually its pretty shit if you dont have something to eat it with.
its just matter we add garlic sauce with eggplants and boneless chicken roasted until the skin is crunchy
>>71635035
We need cysteine and methionine in order to not die
>heterocyclic compounds
That's an enormous family of compounds. What are you referring to? There are some of those which are toxic and some of those that are nutritionally required.
>>71634806
You are an idiot, the human stomach cant handle every plant. Try to eat grass and you will probably vomit, your body cant digest it.
Animals can eat plants and absorb their nutrients, we humans can eat the animal meat and absorb the nutrients this way.
Vegans are fucking moron, eat some meat and the brain starts working again
>>71634445
so what? fertiliser is a stop gap for fields and using it causes massive issues like when it runs into ponds and causes algal blooms, cows are the only natural sustainable way to fertilise fields that don't destroy the environment like fertiliser does
OP you aren't going to change anyone's mind in this thread, so fuck off already. True vegans dont feel compelled to prosthelytize the message anyway, just live your life.
>mfw your only response is enjoy your x
>>71633006
>he still thinks that the saturated fat meta analysis "debunked" anything
The evidence against saturated fat is based on literal decades experiments, dozens of them metabolic ward experiments. These are the studies where you basically lock people in a room and feed them exactly what you want to feed them and see how their bodies respond. They all show beyond any doubt that if you eat saturated fat, your cholesterol rises. This happens so reliably that the researcher who discovered this even created a mathematical equation express it, the Hegsted equation.
The original analysis that supposedly "debunked" all these decades of research was headed by one Ronald M. Krauss, who has been funded by the National Dairy Council since 1989 and also receives funding from the National Cattleman's Beef Association and the Atkins Foundation. And not surprisingly, he was able to cobble together a collection of studies that made saturated fat look good for his sponsors who, of course, have a interest in keeping us eating lots of saturated fat.
Similar analyses have been done since and they've all received this sort of response:
>http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/2014/03/19/dietary-fat-and-heart-disease-study-is-seriously-misleading/
Paid researchers put out studies like these and bloggers and reporters jump on them and publish silly headlines and nobody actually reads the studies or hears about it when the scientific community calls for the authors to retract the paper due to it being full of errors and omissions. And it works, because the industries who want you to keep eating saturated fat know that they don't have to prove that saturated fat is good for you - impossible to prove anyway, since it's not - they just have to create enough confusion that you say, "Fuck it, there's no way to know what's healthy or not, I might as well just eat what I want."
>>71635231
Humans can eat most plants we just won't get much out of it. Eating grass you'd just shit it out
That being said, there is a lot of good in eating leafy greens that we can't really digest, it cleans out the intestines which helps to prevent inflammation and cancer.
Of course this is a secondary concern behind not starving to death
>>71635230
>cysteine and methionine
Of course, we require 9 amino acids via diet. All of which can be acquired from a plant based diet. Quantity in meat is too high, as you may know, they fuel cancer cell growth.
>>71634845
>health benefits
see>>71632428
>moral reasons
more animals die eating a vegan diet than eating a diet including grass fed beef, many mice get caught in farming equipment and die compared to only one cow dying
>No limp dick
covered above
>Vegan women are really easy as well and skinny as fuck.
people who look like holocaust survivors are not attractive
>>71635495
tfw most westerners wont ever taste this delight
guess its not that bad to live in the 3rd world
>>71635231
dumb mudshit cuck
u got btfo by facts now you throw a tantrum lol
>the human stomach cant handle every plant.
yeah, neither can it handle every meat. literally not an argument
>we humans can eat the animal meat and absorb the nutrients this way
we are omnivores not carnivores. and even carnivores such as wolves eat less than 50% meat in their diet
>Try to eat grass
Ive done this as kid. tried to eat grass and leaves. I never vomited
>eat some meat and the brain starts working again
I have already eaten meat twice today and a whey protein shake. vegan diet is retarded. but I am redpilled. so I am always on the side of the truth first and foremost
>>71635400
While you can get adequate supplies from (multiple) plants, there's no advantage in doing so over animal products. Your notion that eating animal flesh, which contain approximately the same distribution of amino acids as the human body actually needs, results in an amino acid imbalance, is retarded.
>>71635357
everyone knows saturated fat increases HDL and LDL but there are 2 types of LDL, one is atherogenic (heart attack causing) and one isn't so you have to prove that saturated fat increases the atherogenic type (it doesn't)
>>71635586
Go vegan. You know you want too.
>>71634579
Shit that looks good, would eat. No mustard though?
>>71635060
>Yes, and their diet was ~85% meat. They cooked it as well.
The diet of our ancestors has an incredible, massive variation depending on the time period and location of the particular group. You absolutely cannot make any claims about what formed what percentage of a diet without being very specific in both time and location.
And if you were really interested in eating like proto-humans did (a flawed premise in the first place, since they were eating whatever they could eat to not starve, rather than a optimal diet) you'd be basing your diet on what we ate when our digestive systems were evolving which is likely a diet heavy in leaves, fruit and insects. And by "heavy", I mean hundreds of grams of fiber a day.
>>71635729
fuck off vegan idiot
>>71635751
Pic related. Delicious and healthy.
>>71635357
http://www.ncahf.org/articles/o-r/pcrm.html
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15164336
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20683785
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/80/5/1102.full
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19263395
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24217704
http://annals.org/article.aspx?articleid=1846638
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19560285
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24727873
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17425596
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/89/5/1402.full
>>71635586
How can you ignore one side of the argument (that meat and dairy can be beneficial for your health when consumed like a responsible individual), but adore the other side (abandon all meat and dairy because the consumption of these materials leads to disease and is mean to animals when we don't need to eat them).
You, yourself, suffer from a confirmation bias. You are a crypto-vegan, just go vegan already.
>>71635838
No bully.
>>71635751
>>71635578
ajvar brate
a gift from the children of Alexander the Great
>>71635803
>was evolving
it still is faggot, look at inuits
>>71635700
This is an important distinction as most tests and lab assays will not differentiate between LDL and VLDL cholesterol and things like Apo B.
Also, plant based fat sources are not entirely 100% good either, as polyunsaturated fats and some monounsaturated fats have shown to reduce HDL "good" cholesterol as well.
The most accurate assessment of heart disease risk is actually the ratio between HDL/LDL (preference toward knowing VLDL vs. LDL in that composition).
>>71634579
gross and vomit inducing
this is da shit
>>71635892
>abandon all meat and dairy because the consumption of these materials leads to disease and is mean to animals when we don't need to eat them
I never said any of this
did you even read my posts
>>71635803
That was specifically about Neanderthals.
>>71635863
>>71635916
corn is literally chicken food
only responsible thing to do is to eat the chicken to
>>71635989
Low fat. High carb. Plant based = based
>>71635989
the reason plant oils are unhealthy is because they contain massive amounts of omega 6s which cause inflammation, also if you dont know the LDL VLDL ratio then the next best thing is the HDL to trigs ratio since its impossible to know the LDL/VLDL ratio without a different test
>>71635916
>>71635863
>>71636043
Just looking at that makes me hungry as fuck.
>>71636015
>>71636043
i dont know what it is but most of the vegetables that i enjoy is of european origin
>7/10 pic
>>71636218
Go Vegan.
>>71636049
yeah its based in fucking pseudoscience
>>71636247
Asparagus
>>71635586
>btfo by facts
You never gave me any facts, all i read is your shitty opinion.
>yeah, neither can it handle every meat. literally not an argument
It is a argument, I make it easier for you moron.
1. Animals eat and digest plant the human body cant handle
2. Human eat and digest the meat of animals.
3. Animals are transformer, that changes useless plant-energy into useful energy for the human body.
>we are omnivores not carnivores.
That is right, we humans eat meat and non-meat - Vegans are stupid to ignore the meat part.
>Ive done this as kid. tried to eat grass and leaves. I never vomited
Your autism is showing
>I am always on the side of the truth first and foremost
>Sure you are, hypocrite
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