>there are three gods
>wait no there is only one
>but he is actually divided into three
>and he is united
>and jesus is his son
>but actually jesus is god
>and god is eternal
>but jesus died at the cross
>and he is still alive
>everything in the old testament is true
>but I eat pork
what the fuck goyim
(You)
>>71625120
>christniggers can't come up with a better response
>>71625016
Honestly, pork is unclean, but Jesus was pretty much a kaffir pig
>goyniggers literally avoid this thread because they know it's spot on and couldn't find a valid retort
>>71625016
No. There is only one G*d and Muhammad (PBUH) is his prophet.
>>71625016
The Holy Trinity is like water my brother. It can exist as liquid, solid or gas but it's still always water.
Bless.
>Implying there is even one God
hwo stupid one can get to believe in fairy tales
braise muhammed pbuh
>>71625420
>some crazy jew in roman-conquered judea decides to call himself god and billions of stupid goyim still believe him today
what went wrong
>>71625016
This is pretty much why I am not a Christian.
>>71625016
> unable to comprehend enlightment
>>71625420
This is technically heresy according to Christianity because the implication is that God can only be one state at a time when he is all three at the same time. What you described is partialism, officially heresy according to the three main branches of Christianity.
>anything but agnosticism
>>71625016
>falling for the trinity meme
>christniggers literally cannot refute a single thing in this thread
>>71625016
>there are three gods
>wait no there is only one
>but he is actually divided into three
dont forget
>But there is also satan the evil god, and all different demons also
I think there is one thing, that is god, and nothing else
God has an identity crisis, that's all!
>>71625016
>everything in the old testament is true
the old testament god is not the new testament god. the old testament is some jewish mythology book. we only read it so that we can know the background of where christianity was born.
>>71625886
The old testament is the part of the Bible which actually makes some sense in terms of morals though. The new testament is basically Communism in terms of its morality.
>>71625842
God is like the cat of Schroedinger. He is both father, son and holy soul until you open the box
>>71625939
>david has to kill some newborn or else god will not forgive him
>morals
> There is a story that St. Augustine was walking on the beach contemplating the mystery of the Trinity. Then he saw a boy in front of him who had dug a hole in the sand and was going out to the sea again and again and bringing some water to pour into the hole. St. Augustine asked him, “What are you doing?” “I’m going to pour the entire ocean into this hole.” “That is impossible, the whole ocean will not fit in the hole you have made” said St. Augustine. The boy replied, “And you cannot fit the Trinity in your tiny little brain.”
>>71626119
>don't think about it goy, you won't understand it
>70% of christian theology
>>71625016
>There is only one God
>The essence of God is shared between 3 divine persons,
The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit.
>The Father is not The Son, The Son is not The Holy Spirit, etc.
>But The Father is God, The Son is God, and The Holy Spirit is God.
>The Son came to Earth, born of a virgin, in the person of Jesus, to fulfill the Old Testament prophecies and be a sacrifice on behalf of humanity
>He died on the cross, descended into Hades, and on the third day rose again. >He walked the Earth for 40 days and then ascended to be with The Father.
>The Old Testament is God-breathed, inspired and inerrant
>The Torah (first 5 books of The Bible) were written by Moses and were meant for the Jews and only the Jews
>Jesus and his followers were Jews, so they followed Torah
>I am a gentile, like most Christians today, so I never had to follow Torah. Paul goes over this in the New Testament (book of Acts, I think)
>God has made many covenants throughout time, I am bound by the covenant of the blood of Jesus Christ
>This covenant does not have dietary restrictions
>mfw I can love God and eat pork after Church
you forgot
>actually it's a divine mystery so don't think about it too much
>>71625016
The nature of the Trinity is immaterial, there are only two words that all brothers in Christ need to know and love.
>>71625016
>catholicucks
I can't trust anyone who doesn't love pork crackling.
>>71625016
Yeah, Christians have to do such mental gymnastics.
>>71626549
Why eat pork when there is Beef?
You know what, because I don't want the demand for beef to go up, eat pork.
>there are three gods
>wait no there is only one
>but he is actually divided into three
>and he is united
Think of it like an egg, you have the yolk, the egg white and the shell, three seperate things that are collectively known as an egg
>and jesus is his son
>but actually jesus is god
>and god is eternal
>but jesus died at the cross
>and he is still alive
Jesus was fully God and fully man, think avatar of khanie from 40k
When he died, his soul went to hell so that all could escape the gates of hell and go to purgatory
A regular humans soul is eternal and immortal, that's why you'll spend forever in hell if you die with unconcealed sin
>everything in the old testament is true
When Jesus died the veil in the temple was torn in half, this symbolised the end of the old covenant, As in the rules of the Old Testament, so now we go by what Jesus preached, love and compassion for your neighbour, and the amendments from the catechism due to technology and society advancing
>but I eat pork
what the fuck goyim
>>71626669
Por que no los dos?
The Trinity is the different ways God communicates to man. It is comparable to the different methods we communicate with each other. I can talk to you, I can sent you a letter, and I can communicate through body language, and I can do these simultaneously if I choose. Just because a send you a letter and than call yoi doesn't mean I am multiple entities.
feeling euphoric today switzfag?
>>71625583
The only enlightenment you can obtain is from the tip of your cock faggot
>>71626390
/thread
People talking shit about theism when they don't even know anything about it.
>>71625710
>believing in the possibility of something purely because a bunch of sand niggers made up a skylord for idiots to pray to so they could be easily manipulated
>>71626711
Because I don't want the price of beef to go up.
>>71625016
No, there is only one true divinity, The Goddess on Earth, beauty made flesh.
>>71625420
But a particular quantity of matter can't exist in all three states of matter at the same time. Your metaphor is dumb.
>>71625016
the holy trinity is Catholicuck nonsense.
>>71625886
>>everything in the old testament is true
>the old testament god is not the new testament god. the old testament is some jewish mythology book. we only read it so that we can know the background of where christianity was born.
Christnigger here, no thats not true, Jesus quotes the old testament, and says its true, christians believe the OT. Jews don't, they're talmudists.
>>71625016
You literally can't make this shit up, oh wait someone already did TOP KEK
>>71625016
u will have bigger problems than christians in the near future greatest ally
>>71625783
>satan the evil god
Americans
>>71625538
>he's not christian because of a bait post on a Mongolian finger painting forum
>>71625770
>you hold God to the same limitations as you
"My ways are higher than yours"
Atheists fail in this aspect
>>71625016
What drives a person to learn about Christianity, just for the sake of mocking it?
>>71626915
No, it's general christian nonsense. Unless you're some kind of non-trinitarian heretic.
>>71627383
you have to admit it's pretty funny when you give an unbiased look at the christian theology, the same way you do when you look up islam/budhism
>>71626676
This why are atheists so stupid
>>71626055
It makes sense because they were not Jews. Same way as how American /pol/acks defend abortion because it mostly kills blacks.
The first jew looking jew I saw was at Genova.
Is Switzerland the place the 6 million gorillion actually went?
![o-COLM-TOIBIN-TESTAMENT-OF-MARY-facebook[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/0WZSsdQ.jpg "o-COLM-TOIBIN-TESTAMENT-OF-MARY-facebook[1].jpg")
>Claim there is only one God, who's really three, who's really one, who created everything
>Still worship the mother of God.
>>71628704
>not addressing any of the many arguments above
>thinking prayer is the same as worship
ITT: Faggots who believe in nothing
If god is real why niggers exist then? Checkmate.
Nihilistic is the only true redpill
>>71630290
>prayer is the same as worship
It is. You're a heretic.
There is one God to understand it better and how it effects you, there are three "not actually real but real for the sake of argument until you're convinced God is" real sub components.
Mind - Father
Body - Son
Soul - Holy Spirit
It's kind of like saying, as you have three parts to you, so does the universe.
>>71630663
>Asking for help is the same as worshipping
>>71632674
>praying, or worshipping. What are we, cavemen, now?
>>71625016
Not a Christian, and I agree christianism is bullshit. but... How is your imaginary friend Allah the goatfucker (PBUH) any better?
>>71625016
>>there are three gods
No there is only one
>>wait no there is only one
There you go
>>but he is actually divided into three
One in essence, and undivided
>>and he is united
Yeah
>>and jesus is his son
Son of the Father, not son of the Trinity
>>but actually jesus is god
The Son of God, fully God and fully man
>>and god is eternal
Yes
>>but jesus died at the cross
Indeed
>>and he is still alive
Because he conquered death itself and was resurrected
>>everything in the old testament is true
Jesus fulfilled the old law and created a new covenant
>>but I eat pork
Because the Lord told Peter its okay in the NT
>>71625016
*tips fedora*
>>71634096
>Because he conquered death itself and was resurrected
wew lad.
This is some fan fiction-tier right here
>>71625016
The Father is the electricity coming from the power plant.
The Son is the switch.
The Holy Spirit is the bulb.
God is the light that fills the room.
>>71625016
1st part: what is a strawman
2nd part: there is a huge chunk of work on this. Read it instead of talking nonsense.
>>71633218
Nice strawman
>>71633509
Tree is known by its fruits
Catholic church does not do evil like Islam does
>>71635851
Yet the realities of earth presented in the bible are those we see today
>big bang
>possessions in african countries
>Jesus being a real historical figure
>>71625016
>Goyim
Nigger you kikes closed the canon in 600 ad
>>71626390
>I can love God and eat pork after Church
Eating ham sandwiches on Sabbath, because God loves us.
>>71635851
>fan fiction-tier
That's the Orthodox teaching, anything else is fan-fiction
For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit, by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison. (I Peter 3:18-19)
For this reason the gospel was preached also to those who are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit. (I Peter 4:6)
Now that He ascended, what does it mean but that He also first descended into the lower parts of the earth? He who descended is also the One who ascended far above all the heavens, that He might fill all things. (Eph 4:8-10)
>people on 4chan actually shilling FOR religion
Jesus christ, what happened?
>>71627383
He Probably got assfucked by his local priest and harbors hate and resentment towards religion
>>71636426
We objectively scrutinized religious claims vs atheist claims
If Catholicism is evil why is the church a powerhouse of charity and goodwill? All the bad it produced came from unity of church and state
>>71636444
as all little christian boys do
I thought it was a requirement to be blasted in the ass by your pastor
Am i doing christianity wrong?
The only reason that there are Jews and Muslims is that they are to stupid to figure out the holy trinity
>>71637126
I get that its satire but most incidents of these happenings have been exploded by the media and damned by the church
>>71637371
I think Muhammed was the antichrist
>>71636426
We got wiser.
>>71636942
When did this happen??? All I ever see on here is;
> much sky daddy!!!!
But anon... Facts??
> no!!! That is impossible cuz muh sky daddy said so!
>>71637681
What? What facts say God isnt real?
>>>there are three gods
no
>wait no there is only one
yes
>but he is actually divided into three
no
>and he is united
they are "joined at the hip"
>and jesus is his son
yes
>but actually jesus is god
no
>and god is eternal
yes
>but jesus died at the cross
yes
>and he is still alive
yes
>everything in the old testament is true
yes
>but I eat pork
i dont
>>71625016
Christianity is an exercise in abandoning thought and allowing an authority figure(priest/pastor/minister etc) to do your thinking for you.
>>71637779
No, he's saying there is nothing but your FEELS saying he's real.
Imaginary things don't stop being imaginary because you want them to be real really hard.
Fuck off with your religion. You're ruining the world
>>71637871
no
that is bastardized manmade hogwash earthly "believe whats you know isnt true" secular hip non-christ modernized with-the-times wicked infantile nonsense
>>71637871
No, priests often advocate for a person to discover God themselves, ive talked to many priests and they have told me that it is far more concerning for someone to not question than to question
Good strawman though, enjoying the soros propaganda?
>>71638036
thats not what a strawman is
thats just a cherry picked worst-case mischaracterization
>>71637964
The concept of the big bang was present in the bible before it was in science
Catholics believed in a beginning of the universe, science used to say that the universe always existed and that it had no beginning
>>71625016
There is only One God and Muhammad (PBUH) is His final prophet.
fuck off t*rk pedo
>>71637994
The religion that is against lying, stealing, cheating, and killing? Ok mohammed
>>71638200
>>71625016
>implying all christians believe this bullshit
Just catholics m8
>>71638202
>against
>>71638376
lol why would anyone read quotes from sand niggers
>>71638464
>Calling it bs because you cannot fathom the trinity even though Jesus talked of it multiple times
>>71638591
When did Jesus ever say he was God?
At no point in the bible does he say this. Try reading it for yourself
The trinity is just made up catholic mythology, like purgatory
>>71638491
>never read the ten commandments
>thinking that people who call themselves Christian and do evil define the words of Jesus Christ
>>71638554
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RfCGap0Pic
>>71638669
He spoke of the Holy Spirit many times as well as the Father
>>71638759
not an argument
>>71625336
Dude this happens every single time what do you expect?
>fedora meme pic
>b8
>not argument
>XD atheism le new religion
>haha XD science just a religion
>proof faggot
>le evolution not any eligible evidence
Here. I just posted 99% of Christian reply
>>71639011
Clearly is
>fact dodging detected
How does Jesus Christ having spoken of the Holy Spirit and the Father not signify the existence of the Holy Trinity
>>71639023
Are you literally retarded? When has anyone tried to disprove evolution here?
Gtfo here with that backwards `us against them` mentality in philosophy
>>71625710
>hurrrr durrr I don't know man
>there could be a giant black dildo floating in galaxy xxx. How do you there is not?
>hurrr durrrr my parents and priest told me so
>>71625420
Fucking druid, comparing a god to water.
>>71639367
He's Canadian. I really should install an extension so I can block them.
Canadians, Turks and Czechs are the worst posters on /pol/ by far.
>>71639452
Because dildos dont make shit, there is no widely accepted bible that supports your theory and I doubt that any churches you build for it will provide charity and goodwill to the extent of the Catholic Church
>>71631248
underrated post
>>71639537
Youre right
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>>71625500
Did not he make some miracles?
>>71639367
When has anyone tried...?
Stopped reading. I remember at least 10+ Christian thread in this week had people posting anti-evolution stuff. Keep denying it
>>71625016
Fuck off.
>>71637871
Oh the irony
>>71639537
what
why
>>71639622
How do you know dildo don't make shit? What if that dildo has a holy mind and magic in Galaxy xxx? It just want to interfere with people on earth for fun. Can you proove its not there? I mean you can't see it from earth. You don't know what's there that far from earth. So there's possibility the God is a giant dildo and its a black one. What if you don't see it because you don't have faith?
>>71639771
Really? Well im sorry to hear that but those beliefs have nothing to do with what Jesus said.
What part of the New Testament is against evolution again?
>>71626390
>>The Father is not The Son, The Son is not The Holy Spirit, etc.
>>But The Father is God, The Son is God, and The Holy Spirit is God.
That doesn't make sense
>>71625420
>modalist heresy
Get out you fag.
God is three essences, one being. I.e. three ousia, one personae. The cappadocian fathers established this literally a millenium ago.
>>71640168
>Middle finger is not thumb, thumb is not ring finger, etc.
>But Middle finger is finger, thumb is finger, ring finger is finger etc.
That doesn't make any sense
>>71639452
One night I will project into your dreams and shove a black dildo into your mouth. So you can live out your fantasies.
>>71640168
>Shell is not yolk, white is not shell, yolk is not shell, white is not yolk
>shell, white, and yolk are all the egg
Doesnt make any sense
>>71639989
Have you seen signs or miracles?
I have seen an angel, I have seen material conversion, I have had myself physically affected by a blessing before
I have seen and believed, but I believed before I saw as well
>>71640775
Which angel did you percieve? One of the archangels?
The concept of the trinity is stupid because it's basically a huge compromise to make sense of certain statements in the bible that would otherwise have been contradictions. It's a clunky workaround instead of elegant theology.
>>71625016
>my finite mind cannot comprehend God's ways are not our way, His thoughts are higher than ours,
>>71640894
Not sure, I was quite young but I think it only had two wings. I remember its face being exposed but not the details of it
>>71625658
No, because you can take a cup of water and freeze some, boil the other, and leave the rest
all 3 states but still the same water fom the same cup existing at the same time in all three states
>>71641053
I was in the hospital and it was in front of me, or next to me? Im not sure but I remember having had some sort of experience
>>71640775
7/10 bait for creativity
>>71640775
>I have seen an angel, I have seen material conversion, I have had myself physically affected by a blessing before
>>71641147
>Im not sure but I remember having had some sort of experience
>>71641147
Remember if there was any sort of light/aura? And what color it was?
>>71638669
In every Gospel Jesus applies Daniel 7 and Psalm 110 in reference to himself while standing before the High Priest. The High Priest gets the reference, which is why he rips his garment and accuses Jesus of blasphemy. Jesus claims to be able to forgive sins, which at the time was considered to be a power only God possessed. Also in John, Jesus claims to have existed before Abraham and the Jews try to stone him.
>>71641096
That's still incorrect, as it assumes that there exist distinct "states" for god to exist within. Like I said, one personae, three ousia, or essences. The existence of god in the water metaphor supposes that the state of god is either a)modeled on perception b) is actually three distinctive states or c)is affected in some way by nature.
Your apolgetic for the modalist view appears as b. You still divide into distinctive states, which is heretical.
>>71640422
>Middle finger is finger
The middle finger is A finger. You have five fingers, not one. You can't say "I have only one finger. I have a thumb and a middle finger. The thumb is not a middle finger. The thumb is a finger and the middle finger is a finger"
>>71639989
Miracles are very commonplace among the Catholic communities, believe and you will see, as I and my friends have many times
But God must call you forward, it is not you who draw near to him but God who draws near to you.
In blind prayer ask him, "Sir if you are there let me know, for if you are I wish to believe". Do it with all sincerity, whats the hurt in that?
>>71640563
But shell is not an egg alone so you can't say a shell is an egg
>>71641251
Go ahead laugh,and I know my God, he knows me.
Even if the dead were to resurrect you would not believe,
>>71625016
How do Christians justify not following all the instructions in Leviticus? How do you choose what to do and what not to do?
>>71639892
95% of your countrymen are euphoric assholes who act smug.
Nowhere near as bad as Canadians though.
At least I can understand you guys haven't gotten over communism like the other assholes like Bulgarians.
>>71641412
I remember the angel was white, a bright white light, I remember it giving me words of consolation but not sure what.
I had pneumonia and couldnt breath
many children experience these things in near death moments as a form of consolation. God is a personal God.
>>71641612
They make it up,
>>71625016
hows it feel knowing that no archeological discovery has ever contradicted a single biblical reference? and that includes the new testament
>>71638682
>implying any of you follow those commandments to a tee
>>71641740
It's part of the old testament, the evil or violence in it was written "out of the hardness of their hearts".
>>71642076
At least we try
>>71625016
Atheists literally cannot comprehend the trinity.
>>71625016
The Leviticus laws were for the Hebrews not for Gentiles
>>71641053
The image of angels as winged creatures is not supported by scripture. There is a small passage in Revelations about the "four living creatures" having six wings each and being covered in eyes, but that's all about wings. Other descriptions portray them as horrifyingly bizarre creatures, far from the beautiful winged humanoids artists like to depict.
Basically, your impressionable mind fell to a man-made meme. You saw no angel.
>Everything has to be explained to me
>Mystery of God triggers my Autism
>I can't into conceptual thinking
>>71641740
Because those very clearly are the laws for the Jews to follow? Even if Jesus didn't undo the old laws, they don't apply to gentiles anyway.
>>71642428
Right, so the old testament for Christians is just exposition and the new testament is where all the rules are
>>71641740
If it was legal to rape, would you rape, even though you thought rape was wrong.
>>71642332
The images of angels vary from type of angel, also many of those descriptions were symbolic more than anything
I dont think God would want to use a horrific appearance to console a child
>>71642332
Ezekiel describes cherubim with four wings and four heads while seraphim with six wings.
>>71641926
Could be Metatron, or his subordinates. He is associated with helping children.
>>71641926
Very nice.
One of the two times I've nearly died, I saw something. It wasn't pretty though. It was a tall, shadowy being covered in eyes appearing-and-disappearing eyes standing over me.
The other time, just a voice telling me to wake up after passing out from blood loss. Nobody said what it said.
>>71638669
>Jesus: The Father and I are one
>Jesus: Before Abraham was, I Am.
>Jesus: If you have seen Me, you have seen the Father.
>Jesus:The Father is in Me, and I am in the Father.
>Jesus and the Father: I am the First and the Last.
>Jesus: Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.
>Jesus: All things that the Father has are Mine
>Jesus: All authority in heaven and on earth is given to me.
>Jesus: For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son also gives life to whom He wishes. For not even the Father judges anyone, but He has given all judgment to the Son, so that all will honor the Son even as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.
>Thomas said to him (Jesus): My Lord and my God.
Seriously, how people not see the textual evidence indicating Jesus of Nazareth, according to the New Testament, at the very least, depicted himself as divine?
>>71642857
Perhaps, the angel may have had four wings but once again I cannot remember too clearly. The intent of the "experience" was to console more than anything
>>71643395
Based leaf gets it
Thank the Holy Spirit
>>71643516
>Thank the Holy Spirit
I don't drink alcohol. It dulls the senses.
>>71625016
God doesn't exist, silly goyjew.
>>71625016
>jesus is a jew
>but jews killed jesus
>but jews are the chosen people because it's in the old testament
>but jews are bad
>but the christian god is the jew god
>but jews are evil
Only christians can be this retarded.
Even the Catholic Encyclopedia states that the Trinity doctrine is utter nonsense.
>>71625369
This.
>>71644459
How is that dumb?
Jewish scripture prophecies Jesus` life and death
People who believed in Jesus when he came were called Christians in order to tell between those who followed the prophesy and its Messiah and those who didnt believe were still called Jews
Geez you people are denser than uranium
>>71644882
Mfw Christian America was 1000x more successful than all its muslim counterparts
>>71644459
can someone translate this banana speak pls?
>>71645644
Bullshit. Where in the old testament is there a prophecy of Jesus?
And how can you fucking follow the entire basis of another religions text, literally, and still hate them and call them all sorts of shit?
Are christian minds incapable of perceiving contradiction?
>>71645819
>christian """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""intelectuals""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
>>71645924
can someone translate this banana speak pls?
>>71645924
http://www.examiner.com/article/of-10-highest-iq-s-on-earth-at-least-8-are-theists-at-least-6-are-christians
http://www.randalolson.com/2014/08/24/the-myth-of-the-smarter-atheist/
:^)
>>71645868
In Deuteronomy Moses prophesied of a prophet who would come that would be greater than Himself. Jesus is that Great Prophet.
In the book of Joshua, Joshua met the Captain of the Lord's host. That man is Jesus Christ.In Judges, the leaders were judges who delivered God's people, each of them typifying the Lord Jesus.
Boaz, the kinsman who redeemed Ruth's inheritance, is a picture of Christ.David, the anointed one, pictures Jesus and Jesus is described as being the Son of David.
In 2 Samuel when the king is being enthroned, the entire scene is descriptive of the Lord Jesus.
The books of Kings speak of the glory of God filling the temple and the Chronicles describe the glorious coming king, both referring to Jesus, the King of Kings.
Ezra depicts Jesus as the Lord of our fathers.
Job says clearly that the Redeemer is coming!
Esther offers a picture of Christ interceding for His people.
Christ appears time after time in the Psalms, including when David describes Him as "the Shepherd."Isaiah details His glorious birth.
Jeremiah reveals that He will be acquainted with sorrows.Joel describes Him as the Hope of His people.
Amos tells us that Jesus is the judge of all nations.
Obadiah warns of the coming eternal kingdom.Jonah offers a picture of Jesus being dead for three days, then coming back to life to preach repentance.
Zephaniah says that He will be the king over Israel.
Zachariah is the prophet who speaks of Jesus riding on a colt.
Malachi is the one who calls Him the Son of Righteousness.
>>71645868
They failed to believe in the Messiah they prophesized, Jesus says this many many times in the new testament.
They failed there.
Jesus also says how some of what they wrote was "out of the hardness of their hearts" because the Messiah had not come yet when they wrote many of their laws
>>71646315
>examiner.com
Nice source there, Fareed. How about some peer reviewed research?
http://psr.sagepub.com/content/17/4/325
>A meta-analysis of 63 studies showed a significant negative association between intelligence and religiosity.
Keep dreaming, crossfag.
>>71625500
>One stupid old man believe the volcano spoke to him and all of the kikes today still believe him
"GODS CHOSEN PEOPLE"
>>71646597
>>71646328
Oh, I'm sorry. How could I have been so silly.
The old testament clearly mentions a vague figure, and Christ said he was that figure, so it obviously is true.
You truly have opened my eyes, my friend.
>>71646839
Enjoy nihilism
>mfw catholics believed in the beginning of the universe before science did
>>71646839
>I don't like the websites these studies are on so I'll ignore them
Negligible at best and not factoring many other things such as the religiosity of the populace in general, and so on.
Keep pretending to be intelligent.
>>71647041
You wouldnt believe even if the dead were to rise
>not understanding how prophesy is in the Bible, not reading all the revealing examples I gave completely
>>71646328
How do you know all these refer to Jesus, my dear?
>>71647156
What the fuck are you talking about? What "studies"?
You send me a buzzfeed like list of 12 people compiled by some random dude.That's not a "study".
If you want to crap on a metastudy of 63 previous publications in a high ranking scientific journal you'll have to come up with much better arguments, Farook.
>>71647046
Enjoy modern age.
>yfw science only started believing on that beginning once there was enough evidence, because that's how rational thinking works.
>>71625770
They can all be applied, or at least equally silly things can be applied to the fact that you believe God exists. And also that he is a fucking volcano.
>Found in a burning bush
>Speaks crazy shit
>Moses didn't blaze or nuffin
>Found in volcano
>Demands retarded and arbitrary orders be mixed with common sense humanism found in pack animals
>Total not high from fucking volcano ash and oxygen deprivation
I'm tired and going to bed, but remember that your religion is as dumb, if not dumber that Christianity, mainly because the Rabbinical priesthood lost all claims of descendance from Levi with the Romans burning all of the records, hence your priesthood is 100% false and the authority lies on by default he Christian priesthood which is internally consistent.
You guys hump your fucking God as the whaling wall, who coincidentally also has a feminine side.
Even with all of these "points" against he objectively superior religion of Christianity, you still have a less tangible view of God an divinity.
Why? Because kikes are Satantic.
Have fun in hell. it's a shame you're not in ashes.
>>71647334
They're reports ON studies.
Why are atheists so emotional and emotionally unintelligent that they have to resort to name calling and swearing?
>>71626390
I used to think it was weird but it's actually really easy if you're a deity.
You have multiple vessels that you occupy at the same time. Different entities, but they all share your ego.
It's really not far fetched.
>>71647041
>Not understanding that if everyone followed the word of Jesus we would all get along perfectly
>unable to see that alone is plenty of support for Jesus` words being true
Muh intelligence
>>71625016
>I didn't not come to abolish the old law
>GUYS HE ABOLISHED THE OLD LAW
>>71647240
They allign with his life
>if the boot fits
Many came before and after Jesus claiming that they were him. The Pharisees noticed this and one of them wisely said
"If this is not of God it will destroy itself but if it is, we may find ourselves fighting against God"
Do you have any better candidates as to whom this Messiah is? Thought not.
>>71647240
Because Jesus fulfilled all of the criteria. The Jews are blatantly aware of this hence they do their best to kill him in their tard rage, and then write a book about their teachings that is now basically a bullshit interpretation of the real texts, with a large part in mind to slander Jesus, because this "literally who" character was such a non issue that he needed to be slandered in the Talmud. Unsurprisingly, of course, because the Talmud is essentially a novel, made by autistic Jews.
The best part is you don't even have a priesthood anymore. The genealogical documents were burned by the Romans before Christ. Jews can no longer prove their linage.
The bible also specifically says that the Jews have had their kingdom taken from them and such other things by God himself int he old testimate.
All of the promises that were set the the chosen people, the Jews, at the coming of the Messiah, have been given to the Christians, who according to the messiah, who you will go to hell for blaspheming, are now the actual chosen people.
Even disregarding scripture, not a single Rabbi you have ever talked to can prove he is by God's (old) law, a Rabbi. Your whole religion, all mysticism aside, is a joke.
>>71647711
>we would all get along perfectly
Do crosscucks actually believe this nonsense?
If I tell you there was another miraculous non-jesus dude living in the middle east about 2000 years ago that claimed to be the messiah, wouldn't you try to convince me otherwise, regardless of how much """"""""""""evidence""""""""""""" I produced?
Why do you expect me not to do the same?
>i am an all loving, all knowing, mrciful god
>i gave my creations free will so they can act however they choose
>oh but if they don't act exactly how i want them to act they are banished to the firey pits of hell for all eternity :^)
Nice religion christfags.
>>71647516
>yfw science was catching up to religion
Like I said, nothing will convince you.
>abrahamics
Are there bigger cucks?
>>71625016
There is a god. His name is Kek and he has a divine message; REEEEEEEEEEE
>>71648149
>God that tests his creation of its worthiness by giving it free will
Nice strawman atheists
>>71647799
He didn't. I avoid pork if I can. However the supremacy of Jesus's word Trumps all.
The law was, however, given specifically to Jews, who are no longer (technically never were) God's chosen people.
We all have morality written on our hearts, and no one from birth believes that some should have salvation whole others shouldn't. Christ is the only thing thus far that has reconciled this morality. Christianity is what is written on our hearts, not damnation by birth. The Jewish God does not love the Jews, and he hates everyone else. The Christian God does what the Jewish God claims to do, and that is act by the perfect Justice written on our hearts :)
Amen.
>>71648114
You understand this is faith based right? It only makes sense in the context of scripture. Same as the Muslim bullshit.
>>71647664
>I recently decided to do a quick cataloging of the ten highest IQ's on earth, and discovered that it's nearly the exact opposite of the truth!
>They're reports ON studies.
STOP LYING YOU FAGGOT.
People with rational capabilities will check you on your fucking bullshit.
As for the other site you posted, the """""""""""""""""""""study"""""""""""""""""""""" has not been peer reviewed yet, and completely ignores the study I proved with predates it by 1 year, which by itself shows a bias in his previous literature research.
It's not that I'm surprised that a christian is oblivious to how research works, but seriously. Can't you see you on the very least chose really bad sources?
>>71648461
Amen brother
Nothing will convince these godless people, "not even if the dead were to rise"
>>71647799
>didn't not
chegmate, cristiens
>>71648646
Your image says there is evidence against God, where is that evidence?
>>71648444
This. The way I see it, a master programmer set up a simulation that he simply turned on auto pilot. He can manipulate it any way he wants, but he is moral, and knows his creations can feel as he does. He even knows how it ends, however he lets it run to see it unfold, so he can marvel at his own greatness, like a father of fathers, (skydaddy to all you fedoras out there) watching over his sons.
Sure I would rather God be someone less divine, but that isn't the case. It's too perfect for me to be 100% comfortable with.
>>71646315
>smartest man is Abdessellam Jelloul
Is he a Muslim?
>>71648661
What? Like the zombie invasion?
List of atheist communities
>feminists
>communists
>facists
Count the kill toll of these communities vs those of Christian communities who heretically did participate in murder
>>71625016
It's like Elder Scrolls lore
>>71648868
Haha funny
Nothing, nothing in the whole world could convince you
>>71648661
I feel that a day will come and all people who are good will be convinced. There rationality will not protect them from God. We don't know what happens after we die, it isn't even abundantly clear in the Bible, but I think that if Jesus himself, the divine arbiter of Justice in flesh, saw it fit to set us as pacifiers against the most rotten and disgusting of people, or even just an atheist, then God has a plan for them.
>>71626738
i think he came down the mountain and got a lung full of oxygen
>>71648978
To be honest, I disagree with what you are saying. Yes moral bankruptcy causes death and suffering, but atheists themselves are not evil. They have given us much in the way of science and philosophy. Remember, those who bite into the fruit of knowledge are cursed. These atheists are indeed cast from God's bosom. But as the New testimate makes abundantly clear, there are few, if any curses that can't be undone.
>>71648444
>i deliberately created imperfect creatures that i expect perfection from
>those imperfect creatures that i demand perfection from that fall short of that perfection are damned to suffer for all eternity
>i am a loving and merciful god
>>71648775
>Everything that has been explained this far could be explained without a god with no contradiction. There is no evidence of the need of a god to explain any other thing.
>Explaining things with a god leads to contradictions. Omnipotence paradoxes, Existence of evil paradoxes, Epicurean paradoxes.
>>71649065
Amen brother
Question for the Brazilian, what IS your IQ exactly?
Ive been professionally tested, I have 130
>>71649278
He doesnt expect perfection, that is why he gave us forgiveness
You really need to think before you type
>>71627025
LMAO
>>71625016
you have no clue what you are talking about
nor does anyone who believes that shit
>>71625016
goy magick
>>71649278
I have argued on both sides of the fence, and I would like to inform you that that is a really shitty argument. He is an arbiter of Justice, and of course the unjust would disagree with him. You, being an atheist, are bound to disagree.
However you might be inclined to disagree less with hose who interpret hell more literally. In the kingdom fo God, the unholly will be ashes bellow our feet. I and my brothers take this literally. To go to hell is to be burn't in an eternal fire, turned to ashes, and then be cast under the feet of the holly. So you get to die, which isn't that bad. I wouldn't mind a non existence much either. From my point of view, God is giving you a great fucking deal.
>>71625016
>water is liquid
>wait it can be ice
>hol up it can also be vapor
Hmmm....
Fuck off retarded Swisscuck.
>>71649285
I only took internet based tests, so I'm not sure how precise they are, but my results on two occasions were 140 and 143 respectively.
>>71649279
Explain every single miracle ever?
http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/04/14/miracles-heaven-near-fatal-fall-cures-sick-little-girls-symptoms
Of course Satan has his way to lie about everything
>>71649285
The only IQ test says I was 150, and despite overachieving in what little academia I was exposed to I somehow doubt that a lowly christfag such as myself is actually capable of the same things as people with that IQ ;)
I don't really care. I do fine and a quick wit doesn't help, even if the numbers exaggerate it.
>>71649726
>internet based
Ok lets disregard that question
>God must be 100% understandable otherwise he isn't real!
>a pot must be able to comprehend the exact attributes of it's potter, otherwise the potter doesn't exist!
>>71649872
Literally atheism in a nutshell
>>71625016
Jesus was a raging faggot degenerate and this is why he was actually executed
>>71649744
Even if this girl was thoroughly studied and her case was explained, and even if every previous miracle in history was disproved as being scientifically explainable (as many have) you still wouldn't believe me and would give me some anecdotal evidence of divine intervention that wasn't yet explained.
>>71626390
>descended into Hades
Are you hijacking Greek mythology too now?
>>71625369
Preach my son
>>71650139
That would not be the case really
The fact that when you have no scientific explanation for something makes you resort to "but I may someday, its out there" truly shows the deep rooted dislike you have for your creator
>>71649938
it's pure arrogance.
like when they want physical evidence of God, and that if the creator of the entire universe exists, he would leave shitty "footprints" which humans would be able to detect with their crappy detection machines.
>>71626119
people who find these types of story insightful or "genius" should be euthanized
>black holes are what happen when god tries to divide by zero broo
>>71649279
Those are some interesting points, but they don't actually mean there couldn't be an omnipresence being in the sky. They simply don't. A paradox doesn't prove anything other than the UNclarity of the scenario.
The Existance of Evil paradoxes for example assumes that a God allowing evil to play out in a zone of free will is benevolent. Which is completely unfounded. A fun little paradox I must add, but it simply falls appart.
I spent years of my life being le fedora tipping abeist, and have argued your points before (but better, not that these aren't good) and have come to the conclusion I am at right now.
Arguing on these terms gets you nowhere. Somewhere along the line I began thinking in terms of practicality, and then on what is the purpose of practicality. I discerned that it was to feel happy, and so I was drawn to the conclusion of happiness as the diviner for choice. Of course more nuance occurred that I won't get into, although I am sure /pol/ can handle any philosophical discussion.
I can to the ultimate conclusion that "effectiveness" is the solution. Christianity affected the white race positively, why wouldn't it effect me positively? It turned out that it effected me positively. I am a former LeVayan Satanist, so I understand how this effectiveness can be chalked up to primality, or whatever long winded name they gave it, but there was just something more. Something I was after since I donned the fedora.
Anyway, muh niggas, I'm tired and as a result need to sleep.
Hope you all enjoy Jesus's company as you sleep, and as for the atheists, well, he is basically raping you, so have fun with that.
(Yes I'm joking, he knows you want it :^) )
>>71648206
Rational, logically sound arguments will convince me.
That's the whole thing about how science works. It's constantly changing, but not because of beliefs.
Convincing a skeptic of something is surprisingly easier than convincing a believer, if you have good evidence.
Daily reminder that Christianity was literally invented by the Jews, Jesus was a Jew, and if you believe in Christianity, you've got a life long prescription to the biggest blue pill ever.
>>71650180
Don't get arched up. I could hardly call whatever hybrid you are now "Greek".
You're Christians now. No need for any of that.
>>71650431
I think it really comes down to that, to be honest.
It's like people are afraid that they might not understand something.
Maybe there's no life after death, maybe there's no deeper meaning to live, etc etc. That doesn't scare me, as much as the existence of a god doesn't scare me. If the answer to these things takes a while to come up, I won't be in agony.
People seem to cling to god because they desperately need these answers or else they go crazy.
>>71650622
What evidence do you need? I seriously dont believe you could be convinced
What evidence disproves God anyway? You keep preaching of there being tons of evidence against us Christians
>>71650631
t. Schlomo "obviously doing everything I can to subvert and subliminally disgrace Christianity through media and consumerism that every redpilled person on pol is aware of because I want you to believe in Christianity" Goldstein
Wow, "God's chosen people" huh?
This is seriously my last post. I have almost become addicted to /pol/
>>71640775
That's not angel and those weren't her wings. That's actually a blocked image by your trauma.
You're clearly describing how your father's black balls hanging on the side of that giant rod and then you're too shocked to remember the reality. That's wings.
>>71625886
That's just makes Christians Jew version 2.0
>>71651097
You made me giggle, leaf
>>71625939
Nope, old testamend was accepted in christian thought only because it talks about the coming of the messiah
>>71650923
People believe for centuries that life came out of nowhere. A couple of experiments in a couple of years made the entire scientific community deeply change their minds.
That's what I mean by a good sound argument.
Due to the way the christian god was built and described, the only way I could believe him is if he came down to earth and showed himself, bent the laws of nature to his will, and etc. I would still view him as a part of nature, and I would still expect science to be able to explain how he did that eventually, but I would at least believe that mythical figure you guys talk about to exist.
Now, on the other hand. What would it take for you to stop believing the existence of god? Can you be convinced?
>>71638150
Where was the big bang presented in the bible
>>71650622
>Rational, logically sound arguments will convince me.
do you not see the error of your logic?
you're wanting secular, physical evidence for something that, by defintion, operates outside of your pre-ordained boundaries
do you really think that if God exists, he wouldn't be able to do so without leaving physical evidence for you and your telescope or Newtonian laws to see?
>>71651709
Yes, if no signs of him were ever received by me during my whole life. Especially in moments of distress, AND if the Catholic Church wasnt a huge powerhouse of good and charity. A presence of consistent miracles throughout the Catholic community definetly helps my faith.
The earth and the universe would need to be much much uglier, harsher and im pretty sure the earth would have needed to have been destroyed according/ to the laws of physics and probability
>>71651840
It's one thing to exist outside of our boundaries but affect us. If he affects and interacts with us, we should be able to measure that. There's shit out there in nature that's almost impossible to measure, but we can measure it because it interacts with us, even if VERY rarely (see dark matter and neutrinos and gravitational waves and shit).
It's another thing to exist outside of our boundaries and never interact with us in ways we can measure. If god just exists in a dimension where natural laws and human logics have no effect, than I don't have a lot of reason to think he can affect my life.
>>71652174
The earth would need to have been destroyed? Niggah what you on
> oh wait its religion
>>71651790
Let there be light
>>71652210
This, there is very little evidance for God.
I love all these "b-but muh miracles" most of these religious people just say "well you cant explain that so it must be God"
Or
"see this one passage here, it kind of sounds similar to scientific theory" then claim omgerd Gerd did it
>>71652174
I understand the first thing you said, and I can see why that brings you towards faith, and I don't even think that's a bad thing to be honest.
The second thing you said is not really true. Science agrees well with the existence of our planet and has good models to explain why it is the way it is in great detail.
The thing christians and theists in general don't get is that they think skeptics do this just to spite them or out of hate.
The same rigorous criteria are applied daily on science. That's why things like, say, string theory are constantly bashed in academia, because they create exceedingly complicated models that generate predictions that were never measured, or that measurements seem to disprove.
There have been many scientific theories that have been destroyed by evidence, and argued against much more than religious ideas.
It's not about hate. Religion was fundamental for the existence of mankind, and fundamental for them to get through harsh moments in history, even today. Sadly that doesn't make it any more true in a scientific way, you know?
