>A study shows a large majority of Danes are against buying new fighter jets.
>55% are against it, 30% are for and about 15% haven't made their minds up.
>Especially women (8 out of 10) make out the by far largest group against the investment.
>The main argument against is that the large sum of money should be spent on nurses and welfare instead
Fuck off /pol/, I though the whole western women ruining nations was just a meme. Why the fuck are you always right. Burgers, please just dissolve NATO and Russia please annex us for being so fucking stupid.
Link to article:
http://jyllands-posten.dk/indland/ECE8600526/danskerne-takker-nej-til-kampfly-for-flere-milliarder/
>>71615543
>Danes needing jets
>for what?
>>71615543
>Nurses and welfare.
I get Nurses. Its a very under appreciated job. But why fucking welfare.
>>71615543
You wouldn't hear anything like that in here because geographical reasons.
>>71615610
obviously to give Poland we are upgrading our army by 50% more people
>>71615543
they obviously wants our superior Rafale instead of your crappy one, smart ones !
>>71615777
They don't want any jet amigo
>>71615610
Protect the Lego vaults.
>>71615610
>>for what?
>We need jets so we can learn how to greentext properly.
>letting anyone have a vote in military issues
The role of government is law, order and military. Not to be your fucking nanny. Skimping on the essential in favour of the unessential is insane.
>>71615543
So what? They're right. Jets are fucking useless as fuck for the Danes. You don't even have a proper army anyway (and don't need one, living in the middle of the most peaceful continent in the world).
Even putting all that money in welfare is a better investment. The men who think that expensive as fuck jets are a good investment need a brain transplant. The real threat is in the pic related and your jets won't save you.
>>71616324
>The real threat is in the pic related and your jets won't save you.
Yes they will.
>>71615610
>Americans always telling europoors to up their defense spending, Uncle Sam ain't picking up the tab anymore
>Danes want to buy jets but their women won't allow them
>Why do Danes need jets?
>>71615543
>letting woman vote
>ever
That's where all went wrong.
>>71616324
They are useful as fuck retard both in Europe and Greenland
OP is right and who argue this are little girl bitches women fucking useless other than cumdumps
>buy F35
I agree with the ladies.
They want the BRC (Big Rafale Cock).
>>71616324
We are in an active disput over Arctic clay with Russia. This along with weed man not wanting to buy new jets is basically handing over the Arctic to Russia.
It's amazing how easy it is for Russia, who's in the worst economical shape ever, to beat NATO at any given engagement, simply because we're so comfortable that we forget how cold the world is.
>>71616642
LEVE DANMARK FRISKT HUMÖR KNULLA FITTOR ÄR VAD NI GÖR
Danmark snälla ta tillbaka
skåne svensken dödar oss
>>71616642
Why is this even put up for a vote?
>>71616626
Dude even 30 year old F4 phantoms would destroy your fancy fag plane. The only superior thing about the rafale are the high costs.
>>71616642
>We are in an active disput over Arctic clay with Russia
>Implying the handful of jets you want to buy would do literally anything
So what when we get those jets, are they going to rust in a hangar like the rest?
If anyone declared war on us, not even a million jets would save us.
Just accept that we are literally a annexed puppet to the US, at this point. Buying those jets is just another way of licking the asshole out of the US, before bending over to let them cum up the ass of Denmark.
Buying those jets only proves how pathetic a puppet nation we are.
May I remind you we lost to Germany after 2 hours in WW ll?
>>71615543
Denmark you know it's not 1995 anymore right? Buy some drones.
>>71617944
>we are a small state
>just give up
Amazing how leftist cuck posts shine bright like a star in the infinite dark universe.
We are part of NATO, why would the US want to keep us if we don't do our small part?
40 F-35's is a force to be reckoned with, and would be a great asset for the Northern European NATO fleet.
>>71617491
Denmark + Canada will be a respectable opposition for Russian when trying to claim Arctic clay.
Having to deal with over a hundred 5th gen fighters supported by NATO will be tiresome as fuck.
When neither Denmark nor Canada have an Air Force it will be a walk in the park
>>71615543
buying those shit jets is a waste of money.... just get some more old "decent" planes on the cheap as the guys we are fighting are unable to even shoot down the old shit we have now.
Dont tell me its so we can defend ourselves against Russkis.... Nukes are a thing, conventional war is not.
>The main argument against is that the large sum of money should be spent on nurses and welfare instead
why dont you just use the fighter jets to bomb the sick people
>>71615610
Because Trump is going to kick all freeloaders out of NATO.
>>71615543
woman are against defense. enemy invades and rapes these same woman.
i can live with that
>>71618835
Use of nukes is a death sentence for both sides. No one wins in a nuclear war
>>71618717
>We are part of NATO, why would the US want to keep us if we don't do our small part?
eh you do know that NATO is just US more peaceful way of keeping vassal states? NATO stopped being relevant in 1989 and should be dissolved.
>mfw there are NATO cucks in Denmark
>>71618717
>We are part of NATO, why would the US want to keep us if we don't do our small part?
For the same reason they keep the rest of NATO who don't hit the target spending and never have?
Trump is going to get us out of NATO. What a shit deal that turned out to be. The Europoors never pay their bills and expect us to provide all of their defense. We actually pay their NATO bills. It's cuckoldry.
I feel like the Western Europeans have manipulated us into defending them from Russia the same way the Jews have manipulated us to defend them from mudslimes. Are Western Europeans working with Jews?
Trump will get to the bottom of it. He has informed us that he will "be looking at a lot of things."
>>71618975
Pls no :^(
>>71618975
And rightfully so. NATO requires that you spend what, 1-3% of your BNP on defence?
Is there even 1 euro country actually doing that other than Poland?
Polish people haven't forgotten how fast and unforgiving the world can turn.
Didn't NATO (aka the US) have to pick up the bill when France bombed Gaddafi because the little jewfrog manlet thought a war would boost his popularity?
>start shit
>get the other guy to pay for it
oh well, I guess "Syrian refugees" overrunning Europe now is Gadaffi having the last laugh for nobody telling Sarkozy to fuck off.
>>71619083
you dont say? Is that also maybe the reason why no major power since WW2 have been in open warfare?
So 10 000 new shiny jets wont make any fucking difference since its all about having the biggest dick (nuke).
Instead of buying these fancy new shiny jets Denmark could buy 3 times that number of decent proven jets.
but nope. It just has to be this shit because we let the politicians choose. Even our own military are not fans of the f35 since they have no use for it and would rather buy in bulk.
>>71618717
Smart danes is right. No one expects Denmark to hold up in one on one war with any nation, thats why they are part of NATO. Every part needs to be a thorn in the side of any would be enemy and that means being well equipped.
>>71617944
>May I remind you we lost to Germany after 2 hours in WW ll?
Because you didn't spend on the military.
>>71615543
>trump gets elected
>withdraws US from NATO
>tells his mate Vlad to cut loose
europe will be good again soon
>>71619272
Dare say we could 1 vs 1 Malta and Iceland!
On a serious note; go fuck yourself and your NATO shit. There are much bigger fish to fry than the so old threat from the east.
>>71617944
>May I remind you we lost to Germany after 2 hours in WW ll?
well if you'd spent money on F-35 jets back then you wouldn't have lost
>>71619246
I remember reading this article back in 2011 during the war in libya that said the French had started to drop construction materials from their jets because they had ran out of bombs. Is that even possible with modern planes?
>>71619145
>Is there even 1 euro country actually doing that other than Poland?
Britain, France and Greece are the only other ones IIRC
>>71615543
>women
>>71617944
>May I remind you we lost to Germany after 2 hours in WW ll?
maybe if the danish military had not been dismantled 10 years prior we could have resisted for a while? Maybe if the damn socialist had not done everything in their power to make us a weak target we might have killed some more Germans?
oh yeah and most Danes were practically rooting for the Germans from 1933 -> 1944 (when the fear of the soviet rape train made many Danes declare that they never supported the nazis at all!).
>>71616801
It was tie with F22 when they did mock fights.
>>71615610
To go die for Israel in pointless wars they have no stake in, just like all NATO nations.
>>71619145
2% minimum. Currently only Poland, Greece and Estonia are spending over the 2%. Britain and France are at 2%. Every other NATO country is well under the 2% minimum.
>>71619246
France AND Britain started it, then whined that big daddy America wouldn't help. Now they blame us for Libya, despite the fact we didn't even start it and we didn't even want anything to do with it until we were pressured to join a month after the French and British started shit.
>>71619264
You have no idea how the world will look like in 50-60 years. Just think of how the World changed between 1910's and 1970's.
The F-35 will be competitive with enemy fighters for another 50-60 years. It's big advantedge is that the remote sensing between multiple F-35's is like an AWACC network. It's a huge advantedge that would allow Denmark + Norway to have sovereignty over the skies of the north.
With an F-18 your basiccally just going to get outnumbered by 4th gen fighters, and will be a complete joke in 20-30 years.
>>71615543
We don't joke about western women, anon.
There is nothing funny about it.
They are the reason and the reason alone we are nosediving into suicide.
Norway, Sweden, Finland, Denmark, Germany etc. We're all on suicide watch.
This is the issue everyone except a select few nations that are rearming have.
Everyone is stuck in this mentality of "The world is peaceful at the moment so why bother." No one seems to comprehend how fucking stupid statements like that are.
>Lets relax our building code because the ground we built on has been pretty steady for the past 70 years. Emergency's dont come without warning or anything.
>>71619857
again its does not matter since a single Nuke could wipe the whole danish population out in an instant.
Unless Denmark gets their hands on nuclear weapons we have no sovereignty (only by proxy of our allies who do have nukes).
Look at North Korea. US have been itching to invade and slaughter but dare not because well; nukes.
The Russians do not care about our guns, tanks, ships, submarines or planes. They only care about the nuclear threat that our allies represent.
So if you really believe Denmark should have a say in the Arctic, then you better get you hands on some juicy end of the world bombs and stop wasting time on fancy toy planes.
>>71618717
That's basically what you guys did at Operation Weserübung.
t. German
>85% of women able to make up their minds
Fake
This whole thread is hilarious.
>>71620373
>russia's face when the West self-destructs
>>71620373
S-stop it... We're s-strong, too!
>>71620192
You have this retarded idea in your head that a conventional engagement = nuclear war.
Look at Turkey shooting down a russian jet, no nukes, no war. Simply a conflict of territory.
If Turkey didnt have an airforce Russia would be bombing targets inside Turkey.
>>71615543
wouldn't it better spent on the army, anti-air and navy? the fuck are danes going to do with fighter jets?
>Russia plans to invade you goy, spend billiions of dollars on useless American made Jets
Why is this board full of blue pilled assholes?
>>71620678
What do you need jets for?
Holland is just some shitstain near germany.
Denmark owns Greenland and will be fighting Russia for the Arctic passage as the north pole melts.
>>71615543
>investment
Investments bring a financial return. Warplanes are not an investment. They are an expenditure.
>>71620756
>Denmark owns Greenland and will be fighting Russia for the Arctic passage as the north pole melts.
isn't the navy still more suited for that? and you are buying planes against the guys known for putting everything on anti-air defenses
>>71620767
It ain't that simple.
Military hardware purchases are done for poltical reasons as much as military ones.
>>71620903
>and will be fighting Russia for the Arctic passage
Is this what good goys and goverment shills actually believe? What is wrong with you people, seriously?
>>71615665
Single moms.
>>71620903
Their anti-air didnt do well against the turkish f-16 senpai
>>71620638
>Simply a conflict of territory.
A great example! Neither Russia or Turkey got and will never get a piece of each others territory. The shooting down of a Russian jet by the fucking roachmen just proves my point. Turkey can do that because there is nothing Russia can do to respond. It also goes the other way ofc and Russia can shoot down roach jets if they get to close.
It does not mean shit since neither nations dare waging war. The fear of the nuclear jew is just too great.
>If Turkey didnt have an airforce Russia would be bombing targets inside Turkey.
hahahaha no they would not. Turkey was smart and borrowed some Atom bombs early on from the burgers and now Russia cant do shit about them. Turkey could eliminate their air force completely and just point all their nukes at Russia and thus Russia would still be unable to respond / bomb or do a god damn thing about it.
You may ask; why were Turkey even given nukes? Good question but that is a burger mistake and now irrelevant because getting nukes is a one way ticket. Once you go for end of the world weapons there is no going back.
>>71620948
>Military hardware purchases are done for poltical reasons as much as military ones.
correction; Military hardware purchases are done for political reasons.
>>71615871
Underrated
>>71621130
For countries like Denmark, Ntherlands, etc etc who face no direct threats, yes.
In our case, it's both.
>>71621053
The nukes are not under Roach control. Christ man they are just stationed there. Thats like saying the NATO aircraft in Turkey are Turkish and to do with as they please.
>>71621053
You are fucking stupid holy shit it's amazing
>if Turkey didn't have an airforce, Russia wouldn't engage ISIS oiltankers, over the border, because Turkey would Nuke them
Listening to socialist cucks on military is like listening to obese people talking about health
It's just delusion general
>both denmark and norway buy overpriced US shit instead of supporting their neighbour weapon's industry
Literally everyone is a cuck in this scenario you fucks, why do you fuck us in the ass every single time
>>71621356
>buy our outdated tech because we are your neighbors
No ty
>>71621356
>>71621356
Probably because the Gripen is shit.
>>71621413
fuck you, it's a serviceable aircraft and all the arty systems were totally fine.
>let's spend all our defense budget on a stealth meme fighter
satellite state is what you are
>>71621227
>just stationed there.
and as long as they are; Russia will bark but never bite.
>>71621294
>Listening to socialist cucks on military
Why arent you in school kid? When you grow older you might stop playing tough armchair general and just accept the facts of a world post the Atom bomb.
Besides when was it ever socialist cuckry to want to get a bunch of nukes?
When and were did you serve kiddo? Because I seriously doubt that you have ever been in a scrap...
>>71621501
true. But it would serve just as well as the new fancy meme jets (bombing Arabs who has no anti air does not require next gen tech).
Scaring Russia requires more than just meme planes however. That is were mass killing weapons come in.
>>71619145
Eesti !!!!!!!
:3
>>71621549
>it's a serviceable aircraft
For countries with red, green, and black on their flags.
>>71621675
Why is Estonia so fucking cute?
>>71615543
Finaly got in to politics huh?
>>71621664
>Claims turkey has nukes
>gets called out
>hue grow up kid and accept my World view
Yeah fuck off, go masturbate with Pelle at your Enhedslisten meetup where you discuss how fast you would give up and give away sovrenity at any instance.
>>71621998
wow petty insults from a minor...
and Turkey does indeed have nukes in their country as part of US old mexican standoff with the Russians.
>how fast you would give up and give away sovrenity at any instance.
have you even read a single thing I have been writing kid?
Denmark cant have sovereignty without our own arsenal of nuclear weapons SO WE SHOULD GET SOME.
get it?
you meme planes wont stop the eastern steppe Indians.
maybe you should pay Enhedslisten a visit as you both have so much in common being complete imbeciles and all :^DDDDD
>>71615543
I har ikke brug for jets, Rasmus.
>>71615543
>and Russia please annex us for being so fucking stupid.
As that would be so bad.
No wait. If Russia comes all neocons and Jewish bankers go away. That's baaaaad.
>>71622465
You claimed Turkey could nuke Russia kære ven :^).
>Denmark cant have sovereignty without our own arsenal of nuclear weapons
Yeah, satellite tech can't engage icbm's.
Call me up when you finish your HF.
>>71622465
>petty insults from a minor
>literally insults him later
Off yourself my man. You can't claim some sort of high ground and then do exactly what he did
>>71617944
>May I remind you we lost to Germany after 2 hours in WW ll?
Implying we dident just ally with Germany. The resistance was only symbolic.
>>71622728
Nope Turkey cant nuke Russia because Russia has nukes as well. Så sådan er det jo Batman.
>Yeah, satellite tech can't engage icbm's.
kek. Yeah we are all competently safe!
>>71622790
>You can't claim some sort of high ground
never did and never will. Just trying to get some rage going from the poor little thing. The faggot wants to waste my hard earned cash on meme jets for no other reason than; Russia will be super scared of us!
>>71616303
>The role of government is law, order and military. Not to be your fucking nanny.
Well put.
The West is going insane. Red China is just going to steamroll the rest of the world at this point.
The 1960s were a mistake.
>>71615610
To be your sidekick in bombing countries beginning with I.
>>71615543
What role would these fighters actually serve? NATO takes care of your defense and if anyone actually powerful attacked you a few fighters wouldn't stop them. Why not cut taxes?
>>71623040
No they can't because they dont have access to them, my little friend.
>my hard earned cash
Yeah I heard they added some mandatory work programs for welfare recipents, must be tough
>>71623236
>Why not cut taxes?
HAH. I wish. Our politicians would sooner cut their own dicks off than do that.
>>71619595
Inert training bombs are usually made of concrete. They were in danger of running out of bombs, but the real reason they used those training bombs was reducing collateral damage on urban areas. They can reliably hit point targets with 'em and half ton of concrete that moves really fast destroys things like tanks just like actual bombs.
>>71623303
>Yeah I heard they added some mandatory work programs for welfare recipents, must be tough
you would know right?
face it; your meme jets are a waste of money better spent on other military gear.
>>71623152
Pls no
>>71622605
>Jewish bankers go away
Do you have any idea about the upper echelons of Russian society? They are ruled by Jews.
Russia is pro-Jewish even when they all know that the early Communist party was 80% Jewish.
>>71623577
>other military gear
If you dont have control of the air, you can not advance on the sea or on land.
But hey I'm sure you know more than what we're taught in the academy.
>>71623829
you cant advance on the Russians either way. Dont fucking kid yourself Brian.
I dont mind spending a shit ton of money on the military. I just dont want to waste it on a fucking political shit deal for some shitty meme next gen jets.
The enemies we are fighting in conventional warfare dont have the capabilities to even shoot down our old shit right now. So the only reason to get the f-35 crap is to fight the Russians in the air which will result in the same shit as always; NATO flexing its nuclear muscles and Russia doing the same.
>>71621549
Gripen is upgraded previous generation system with limited growth potential. It's not really future proof, it will be very obsolete by end of it's lifecycle.
>>71615543
Just buy some Su-33/ 34s and be done with it. You're going to be part of the new USSR soon any way.
>>71624178
>meme next gen jets.
>f-35 crap
Is it bingo time?
>>71624462
Why should they buy shitty carrier jets and tactical bombers?
>mfw the USAF want to replace the A-10 with the F-35 in a ground attack role
>>71624359
For Finland I would still go with JAS 39 and a fleet of drones.
>>71615543
O'ER AZURE SKIES AND EMERALD PLAINS
No but seriously, buy Gripens now and invest in researching pilotless fighter jets. We're reaching the point where the pilot will always be the weakest link.
>>71624790
>Why should they buy shitty carrier jets and tactical bombers?
>tactical bombers
dunno dude, they might need them.
Russian jets look cool, don't know about you but I'd rather be flying a sick-ass jet made by Ivan and his malnourished son than a flying stealth penis.
>>71615543
>>Especially women (8 out of 10) make out the by far largest group against the investment.
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>71621356
>>71621549
>>71625066
Never buy weapons from a country that base its foreign policy on feminism.
>>71615543
SUBMARINES
Norway: 6
Denmark: 0
F35
Norway: 56
Denmark: 0
>>71624945
A-10 has been good for only bombing goatfuckers with no effective airdefense since early 90's. F-35 will fuck up things from higher altitude with precision guided weapons.
>>71625066
I wouldn't. Not enough users and small supplier. If a sudden need for large amount spare parts arises Saab or Swedish AF aren't big enough deliver stuff in short time. It's matter of supply security. Another problem could be weapons integration, whatever we are buying as replacement for Hornet is going to inherit it's weaponry. Everything we already have that Swedes or other users aren't using will need to be integrated to airframe and that might be problematic. F-35 has everything we use already integrated or it will be in future.
>>71625208
>dunno dude, they might need them.
They don't have carrier for those carrier based fighters that Russians themselves abandoned in favor of MiG-29K.
>Russian jets look cool
That is extremely logical reason to use as basis of defense procurement. Russian aircraft are maintenance intensive and expensive to operate because of their obsolete engines.
>>71625614
Holy shit Norway, what do you guys need 56 F-35s for?
>>71619715
this guy gets it
>>71616626
>>71620192
you'r retarded, the u.s main reason to not invade is cause they can level seul in 5 min with conventional artillery
>>71616303
Mi general saw that problem and make military independent.
Also the country is "forced" to spend money on military for the pinochet constitution.
And that why we are one of the stronger south american army
>>71625949
IIRC the 34 isn't carrier based.
>Russian aircraft are maintenance intensive and expensive to operate
Most aircraft are, desu. I remember the F-111s we're always being worked on and they were considered "alright".
>>71622571
RARE
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>>71626045
Arctics
>>71626045
To be a north european powerhouse.
They can basiccally invade us and we wouldn't be able to do shit because of cucks like him: >>71624178
>>71626414
>F-111
Swing-wings are VERY maintenance heavy designs. The F-111 is pure gold as a strike aircraft though, so it makes up for it.
>>71615543
fuck you in the neck, faggot. I dont want that burger shit in my country just because its shit
>>71625949
>A-10 has been good for only bombing goatfuckers with no effective airdefense since early 90's. F-35 will fuck up things from higher altitude with precision guided weapons.
but muh BRRRRRRRRRRRT
Reminder that 70-80% of US women dislike Trump including almost 50% of Conservative women.
Literally RUINING
>>71626593
True
>>71626414
Su-33 is carrier based version of Su-27. Russian Navy is retiring it soon and replace it with MiG-29K because it has better payload off ramp.
>Most aircraft are, desu. I remember the F-111s we're always being worked on and they were considered "alright".
Every aircraft is pretty much always worked a lot if you look at it from normies point of view.
Russian engines have much shorter lifespan than western engines, you literally have to replace the engines at point where western engines still have around half of their hours remaining. Russian engines aren't that much cheaper.
>>71621053
And without NATO the nuclear umbrella would never extend over Denmark. So how abou you stfu and chip in or Trump's going to feed you to the ruskies.
