US to buy 190 more F-22s, and also Israel will be able to have the option to buy 100 of them to share the costs of restarting the line.
>>71601545
Nice source.
>>71601545
took this long for americucks to let go of their ego and admit the f35 was a piece of shit?
GOOD
Israel deserves the best military equipment that American taxpayers can provide
>Israel
>buy
lol good one
>>71601867
Trump agrees, MAGA
>>71601716
F35 was always a scam to make a profit off our "allies" while keeping the best hardware for ourselves.
We just decided we need more it seems.
>>71601545
>US to buy 190 more F-22s, and also Israel will be able to have the option to buy 100 of them to share the costs of restarting the line.
>Israel will be able to have the option to buy 100 of them
I don't believe you.
Israel's refusal to keep the Raptor technology secret was the whole reason that we banned Raptor export entirely.
>>71601716
>>71601957
Bullshit. The F35 is going to happen and it's going to be a great jet.
Even though the cost has overrun, it will be more cost effective if we run it for the next 40 years rather than keeping up old hardware.
>>71601545
but obongo said we dun need it no more
>>71601545
>Thinking this will actually happen
>Not realizing it was just proposed by the Armed Services committee to RESEARCH the possibility
>It has to get through the Senate, House, and Obongo
>Implying the F-35 isn't 4/5 as good for 1/2 the price
>Implying that there is any room in the budget for this
>Implying that the F-22 internals wouldn't need to be completely redesigned
It would be cool to get more raptors but WEW there is a snowballs chance in hell of it actually happening for a long list of reasons
>>71601957
Maybe it's also a scheme to let those allies have
some ownership over the platform so that they can maintain and enhance the fighters themselves?
Maybe the US wouldn't want to share too much of the plans and source code for the F-22 (and the other fighters it probably share code with), but they are fine with it for the F-35 which is mostly developed from scratch (different programming language even).
100 F-22s has a higher budget than almost the entire Israeli armed forces, nice try OP.
F-22 would never be sold to another nation regardless.
>>71602458
>It would be cool to get more raptors but WEW there is a snowballs chance in hell of it actually happening for a long list of reasons
I don't think you quite "get" that if the kikes want it, it WILL get done. And you'll pay for it.
>>71601545
NICE TRY BUT YOU TOLD A HALF TRUTH JUST LIKE TED CRUZ WOULD.
Actually a Congressional committee directed the Pentagon to study the feasibility of restarting production of the F22, and if there is or will be a need for it in the ever changing spectre of war.
The committee gave the brass until January 1, 2017 to submit their report.
Source: fuckoff and google it yourself
>>71602545
>100 F-22s has a higher budget than almost the entire Israeli armed forces, nice try OP.
Don't you vory about that, Goyim. It won't be "their" military that will pay for it...
>goyim thinks israelis are gonna pay for it
>>71601545
They should make the xb-70 again!
XB-70 , cant imagine what they have now(50 yo)
>>71601545
Israel never buys, the make USA give them to them at zero cost.
We should just kill all anti-American zionists. Save the money.
Can someone explain why you can't passively detect aircraft against a microwave background like the sky?
>>71602584
seems like they're the ones paying for it desu
>>71601716
the F35 is a carrier plane.
the F22 is an air superiority fighter.
they aren't the same thing, they aren't supposed to be the same thing.
>>71602302
OP is of course, full of shit.
The F-35 is nice, but they're no substitutes for F-22s. The F-22 is the big daddy tactical fighter. It's like F-16 vs. F-15 in the last generation. F-15 wins.
Here's the real news. Before they said F-22 restart was a NON-STARTER.
Now COngress has ordered Lockheed to study the possibility!! That's great people!!
http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/2016/04/19/house-legislation-orders-f-22-restart-study/83248788/
http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/2016/04/19/house-legislation-orders-f-22-restart-study/83248788/
>>71603270
They can and do. Stealth is poo.
What generation of fighter jets are we on now? The F22 is fifth? And F35 is sort of like a 4.5?
WHERE'S MY F35
WHERE'S MY F35 MAN
>>71603391
You dumbass, there's an F-35 version for every branch that operates fixed wing aircraft.
>>71603601
The thing that makes the F22 special is its aerodynamic performance with twin engine power. The avionics are old. However, If we used the engines and avionics from the F35, and put them into the F22, it would be a next gen fighter. I say we order 500 of them, with 500 F22B aircraft.
this story makes me happy...
but it has been drowned out by the whole niggerette tubman debacle
>>71602302
>if we run it for the next 40 years
you fucking nigger idiot
what kind of technology do you think we will have in 40 years
>>71603206
Fake.
>>71603756
Don't worry, theyll be needing your antennas for the radar equipment.
>>71603831
jesus christ anon..
>my dick can only get so hard
The F35 was a mistake for the Navy and Air Force, it is a good plane for the Marines. What is needed from President Trump, is the restart of the F-22, FB-22 program. The F-22 is going to need to be able to launch from a carrier.
>>71603601
F22 and F35 are both 5th gen
F22 being in 5th gen is comparable to the F15 being in 4th gen. The F35 being in 5th gen is comparable to F18 and F16 being in 4th gen.
>>71604201
>The F35 was a mistake for the Navy and Air Force
The Air Force was buying this anyway, but an updated F-22 would be cheaper.
>>71603525
>Now Congress has ordered Lockheed to study the possibility
It's probably the exact opposite. Lockmart lobbied some dude in congress and asked him to put forward the idea.
>>71604312
And what's the deal with some countries like France? I read an article that they were skipping a generation entirely to move to an unmanned fighter aircraft?
>>71603915
Thats wat your mom said when she see you first time!
>>71603915
>>71604686
An unmanned fighter would be useless. Bombers yes, fighters no.
>>71603601
>F35 is sort of like a 4.5
Jesus christ, no. Both are 5th.
The F-35 is the most advanced aircraft in the world, even more than the F-22. The difference is that the F-22 has a better stealth profile along with better kinematic (dogfighting) capabilities. The F-35's stealth isn't as good as the F-22 (barely makes a difference though), but it has better avionics like radar and sensor fusion. It also has built-in electro-optical targeting systems.
>>71604201
FB-22 is not the proposed Navy variant, that's the F-22N. Even then, I think you're trying to say F-22B. Which would be fucking pointless, the Navy needs a strike fighter capable of going long distances. The F-35C has a combat radius of 630nmi, the F-14D had 500. F-35C is the best plane the Navy could have asked for.
>>71603831
>F22/B
MY DIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIK
Instead of 10 super carriers, I would build 20 smaller carriers.
>>71604896
>Not building 10 supercarriers and 20 smaller carriers
stay pleb
>>71603853
C130 was introduced in the 1950s and we still use them to brrt.
I don't see you leafs developing anything so not sure why you should even have an opinion.
>>71604509
kek, looks like a modified Y/F-23
>>71603756
Hey man , Turkey is really making a killing on the F35 deal isn't she....?...you guys invested only 135 million $ into that program but raking in 12+ billion $ from menufecturing components....!
>>71601867
gas the kikes race war now
>>71604896
Smaller carriers like the QE you have pictured can't carry CATOBAR aircraft which are inherently superior to STOVL. Nevermind no fixed-wing AWACS or COD. Anyways, we have 10 small carriers, the Wasp and America class LHDs.
>>71605063
Lockmart doing what they do best: ripping off Northrop Grumman
>>71604868
Yeah, it's a simple question. You don't need to add the histrionics. Not everyone crawls up the kike military's ass and scarfs down every nugget.
>>71602545
Get a load of this good Goy...!...he think's IDF pays for it's toys with cash....!
>>71601545
GOOD.
The raptor is a sleek sexy futuristic motherfucker.
F-35 is its down-syndrome cousin who works at the circus cos he can hover like his idol the harrier.
they are only thinking about thinking about restarting production :(
http://thehill.com/policy/defense/276915-congress-looks-into-restarting-the-f-22-fighter-jet
>>71605223
It didn't come out the way I meant it to. im sorry senpai :(
Something like a Su-35 or Su-30SM2, F/A-18E/F, and the newer foreign versions of F-15E would be 4.5 gen fighters.
>>71605029
>>F35
>>run it for the next 40 years
>transport support aircraft vs state of the art stealth fighter
>knowing fuck all about technological advancement
>knowing fuck all about where military warfare is headed
please go on with your retarded rationalizing
>>71601545
it was classified such that you could not export them to any country
so now israel? makes no sense
and no other country?
>>71601545
The F-35 is the most retarded program in the history of the US. It has so many core problems in its design inheritly like shitty unsafe cracking fuselage that anyone who knows about flying would say it's a peice of shit, which the Air Force has done time and time again. For fucks sake the fighter variant is inferior in every way to the F-22. It's a a Lockheed-Martin kickback.
>>71602069
one of the most badass aircraft in history right there.
shills always talkin shit on it
>>71604896
Yeah, but Muhh Carrier!! Is like Muhh Dick!! For the us navy.
>>71605590
Weren't there some incidents that led to the narrative that cropped up around the jet?
>>71605590
How did Lockeheed get the F-22 so right but the F-35 so wrong?
>>71605817
The F35 was asked to do too many things. VTOL made it a piece of shit.
>>71605656
Hey bro , what's the status update of your Aircraft Carrier...?..I hear it's semi retired and hardly ever used now...!
>>71605817
F-35 had to be spread around every fucking branch of service so compromise was inevitable. Such a cluster fuck from the get-go.
>>71605450
The F-35 will be constantly upgraded until its final retirement in 2070.
>>71605590
In an ideal world, the military would have enough money produce the F-35 and F-22 at the same time. No such world exists.
>>71605817
>Implying there is anything actually wrong with the F-35
>>71606010
>Implying STOVL isn't amazing
We could build this fantasy rail gun battleship, with two aircraft carriers strapped to the sides to reduce the keel depth.
implying it won't be cucked by russkie's gen3/4 again :3
>>71606133
T. Lockheed Shill.
>>71605450
So what do you think should happen, leaf?
You think I'm rationalizing, whats your answer?
>>71606133
Such a waste of money. All to protect the world on the US tax payer.
Trump was right, we need out of NATO, and this military industrial complex shilling needs to fucking end
>>71606157
>Not being able to have it hide under water, in addition to being a massive battle carrier.
Into the trash it goes.
>>71606391
WTF does Trump even have to do with this.
>>71606049
I'm American. So they're doing just fine. Muhh Carrier!!
>>71601716
B... BUT MUH SUNK COSTS
>>71601545
Fighter planes are fucking useless on the modern battlefield.
They're effective against enemy bombers. That's about all. Unless we're planning a war with Russia, this is fucking useless shit
>>71606545
That doesn't mean you get to skip on having them.
>>71606540
No costs were sunk. Everything is going great.
>>71606339
>>71606339
>assault drones
>hyper velocity vehicles
>laser cannons
>rail guns
your F35 will be relegated to troops support
>>71606545
Shut up and eat your crayons.
>>71606662
Military industrial complex shill detected. The F35 development process was a shitshow of changing requirements and a shamefur dispray of design by committee.
>>71606800
Hmm, would love to see someone give a stool sample after eating a box of crayons.
>>71606824
The requirements were changed because the original requirements were found to be unrealistic for what is possible with current technology. No big deal.
>>71606133
>>Implying there is anything actually wrong with the F-35
>marketed as ultra stealth
>lockheed has to revise and downgrade its stealth status
>STOVL in a world where the US has airfields around the entire world as well as super carriers
>>71601545
the fuck happened to F-35?
I was hype
Is everyone on this damn board neocons?
Absolutely fucking disgusting.
>>71606977
They should've been changed further, with the marines getting the finger, so you can get rid of the damn stupid vtol capability.
>>71607131
The F-35B is the only one with VTOL capabilities
>>71607026
I'm not sure what you mean. The F-35 is ultra stealth compared to everything other fighter except the F-22.
>>71607030
Why did you stop being hype?
>>71607131
The project began with the Marines. Removing them would obviously be impossible.
>>71607083
I don't like obongo and jewsrael having those, but as an engineer I get a hardon...
>>71607083
There's been a pretty massive influx in neo-cons ever since the Trump campaign started up and then plebbit shills migrated over, too.
>>71607193
But all variants suffer from its limitations - less room, single engine.
Israel doesn't need stealth fighters to bomb dune coons. They will just sell the secrets to China, anyways.
Japan needs the F22. Since they have Russia, china, Taiwan and Korea next to them.
F-22 gets my vote. Not a fan of single jet engine carrier aircraft.
>>71606545
Depends on what you use. If I needed air support, I'd choose a propeller engine aircraft any day. Even though it's slower, you'd want something that can take out all the targets (inb4 A-10).
I'm sure you've heard of the Embraer EMB 314 Super Tucano. It's operational costs is only $500 an hour, compared to the jet fighters which are in the thousands. If it gets the same job done, I really don't see the problem.
>>71607214
>The project began with the Marines. Removing them would obviously be impossible.
Then you should've made a new, separate project for everyone else.
I get that the idea is "It won't need performance", but that's not something it can rest on for decades while everyone else improves their tech.
>>71601545
australia was originally going to get f22 but then usa congress changed their minds and denied it after the deal was made, they tried to push f35 on aus instead
if aus ends up with f35 anyway, but f22 is exported after all, then nuke usa coast to coast
>>71606010
>>71606106
https://youtu.be/aXQ2lO3ieBA
>>71607240
Just sell them the model with no A/C, CD player, power windows or locks.
>>71607270
There are advantages to a single-engine design. You get better acceleration, reduce weight, reduce cost, reduce maintenance costs, etc. The only downside is reduced maximum thrust. Thankfully, the F-35's single engine is mega-powerful so the drawbacks are mitigated.
>>71607424
Our congress can be a real bunch of shitheads sometimes so I wouldn't be surprised, but I guess we do deserve the nukes because we somehow keep believing that giving them another term will make them do better.
>>71607494
You also get lower reliability, and this
> You get better acceleration
Is bullshit.
>>71607424
We will just send in tactical emus.
>>71607234
The majority of the planes the F-35 is replacing are or were single engine fighters.
>>71607400
>Then you should've made a new, separate project for everyone else.
We tried, but once everybody saw how good the F-35 was they demanded to be a part of it.
>>71607494
oooh i wanna fuck that tight hole
>>71607593
And obviously that means you can't improve on that.
>>71607598
More like, once everyone was given the impossible specifications for the F-35 that didn't exist yet.
>>71607674
I don't understand what you are going on about, you as acting like having a single engine is some kind of unforgivable sin.
We could use both. More Raptors and the F-35 to cover all of our fighter needs. Much like we do now with the F-15 and F-16.
>>71607546
Single-engine is actually higher reliability because if you have two engines that doubles the odds of an explosion occurring. Also, it has been known for a long time that single-engine fighters have a lower top speed (because of lower maximum thrust) but have better acceleration. A single-engine is also more fuel-efficient. There are definitely drawbacks but there are many advantages as well.
>>71607765
You best hope that this single engine is perfect.
Because if it fails, there's no limping back on a spare.
>>71607811
>Single-engine is actually higher reliability
zero engine is even more higher reliyingable
f-35 btfo, usmil on suiciding watches
>>71607857
when's the last time an f16 went down in the combat zone because its engine took a dump? the harrier was single engine as well.
>>71607940
>USMIL
>Implying the F-35 isn't going to be used by over a dozen different countries
>>71607857
All of our greatest fighter planes have been single engine ones, the twin-engine planes always seem to have more issues.
>>71607940
Nice spelling Mohammad
>>71607857
Fact: there is not a single recorded instance of a double engine jet fighter losing an engine and making it home with just one engine.
>>71608166
lier it happened in top gun
>>71602302
>it will be more cost effective if we run it for the next 40 years
It will be obsolete in a decade. The MIC will lobby for it to be spread around the world through arms deals and then they'll turn around and say we need a new cutting edge fighter to keep ourselves at the top. And it'll only cost us good goys twice as much as the bloated F35 program.
It's what they've been doing for decades. Our old as fuck cold war tech is more than capable of blasting dune coons and that's all we've been doing since the 90s. Total fucking sham.
>>71601545
Nice. We'll take 40 or so.
>>71601716
theyre two completely different planes, for completely different purposes. Under the f35 plan, f22s and f18s would be kept to support the f35s.
do some research canada pls
>>71610322
F22 is air to air only, emu's don't fly. You need F-35.
>>71610526
Indonesia has Su30s.
>>71606010
That's why the 35a exists estupido
>>71610563
the only people you need to defend against are the fucking shitskin boats australia
>>71610661
We have 250 million angry muslims to our north who want to kill us.
>>71601545
>tfw your nation fell for the f-35 meme instead of improving on the harrier design
>>71601545
Why bother? It's not like it was any less of a piece of shit than the F-35
Just start shitting out A-10's and overwhelm our enemies with superior BBBBRRRRTTTT
>>71610948
The f35b is an improvement on the harrier design.
>>71610948
YOUR COUNTRY IS BUYING THE MEME IDIOT
WHO'S THE REAL DUMBASS HERE
>>71605817
F-35 is a forced jack of all trades. Can do everything, but exceeds at nothing. Thank the Marines, it's because of them that it ended up being single engine a with pointless VTOL.
>>71602069
>Implying Chyna hasn't already stole it
http://m.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2012/1114/US-cybersecurity-report-points-accusing-finger-at-China
>>71601716
this
The F22 owns but the F35 is just badly thought out. Especially considering not a lot of countries actually have more than two carriers.
Shit, Canada is buying a whole fleet of the things and we literally don't have any carriers at all, nor any intentions to build one! What the fuck!?
>>71611005
>comparing air superiority fighters to ground attack planes
>>71611090
>what is the f35a?
jesus
Really the airforce should be just F-22s, FB-22s, B-21s, C17s, KC46s. Everything else needs to be retired.
>>71611227
are you trying to be retarded? Only one of the f35 variants is specifically for carriers, do at least 5 seconds of research before posting ffs
>>71610788
A piece of bacon on a stick would be more than enough to keep muzzies away.
>>71601891
>>71601867
>>71602069
>>71602545
>>71602659
>>71603008
>>71603244
>israel
>pay
fucking kek. assuming OP isn't bullshit, the american taxpayer could theoretically fund israel's 100 F-22's in less than 5 years
>>71602069
The F-22s technology at this point is 30 years old, there is more advanced stuff out there and other countries have it.
>>71605817
There is/was plenty wrong with the F-22 as well. You're probably not old enough to remember it.
>>71603756
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>>71611319
They can't see the bacon when they're up in the air in their SU30s, that's the problem. C'mon, anglobro, we need the a2a edge on them. Think of all the American workers it will keep in the factories for the time our extra 40 will take to build. We will keep them at Darwin, you can even have your guys keep an eye on them at the airbase we gave you up there.
>>71607026
STOVL was designed specifically for marine use at "austere" bases where a full length runway is impossible to maintain or not available.
there is still the 'regular' f35a variant, which no one seems to understand
>>71611415
You don't understand! F22s are better!
All the new planes are full of computers are glitchy and slow and built for too fucking many different types of missions and they are expensive and lame
PILOTS LOVE F22s
BECAUSE THEY ROCK
>Such a weak economy they can't give billions to the people actively trying to destroy their economy.
I, for one, support spending big bucks on high tech weaponry to kill subhuman goat fuckers, rather than spend it on GIBS ME DAT niggers and spics.
>>71601545
>The Raptor is coming back
Words cannot express my happiness.
>>71611610
Not an argument. Technology does not stop progressing and that certainly isn't the case with the F-22. New aircraft and upgrades have been emerging. The only "new plane" you are referring to is the F-35 anyway. The F-22 is completely controlled by computers too.
>>71605590
Fuck off LM shill.
>>71610526
I think ordering nearly more F35s then everyone else we can cop a side order of F22's. Remember who went to vietnam with you.
>>71601545
Just saying..
>>71612896
that shits faker than hillary
>>71605817
The Raptor was pretty fucked up too, anon
>>71612975
Ishh...sorry for sources.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGpby6z0NWY
>>71610609
Probably making a point that the lift fan layout that was worked out for the F-35B compromised the shared design of the A and C on a fundamental level.
>>71613046
it crashed, sure, but the thing the iranians showed off as the "rebuilt" drone was nothing more than a plastic mock.
>>71601545
fuckin finally. They stopped waiting on that trillion dollar dumpsterfire that's been in R&D for ages
>>71613130
Ya sure !
>>71601545
Mono engine are for retard ..
>>71607811
THUNDERBIRDS ARE GO
>>71606482
Damn that thing is pudgy. Love the control surfaces dancing just before touchdown.
>>71612719
Goodnight, sweet princess...
Australia got involved in the development.
Had the stealth paint tinted fag pink.
Painted silhouette of blow fish on the nose
Failed reverse thrust engines to get out of trouble faster.
Insisted on "surrender package" automatic firing of white flag with sparklers.
Set delivery back by 10 years
>>71601545
I feel terrible bumping this, but honestly I'm impressed by how many replies you attracted with such lousy bait.
>>71601545
The golden "glass" is great.
>>71607214
>F-35 Destroys a tank.webm
>it doesnt even destroy it
>>71603831
F-22-HT (high test)
>BIG PHAT TWINS
>>71607811
Missiles accelerate faster..
>>71601545
>>71601545
>>71601545
Its amazing to think that the F22 was developed in the late,eighties to early ninties, pretty much during the era of the brick phones and cassete players. I just wonder what a 6th gemeration fighter jet would look like if it was developed today.
>>71614826
>Forgot pic
>>71614486
The file name is misleading at face value, but that was a demonstration of accuracy with inert ordnance.
>>71606157
LOL geez haven't seen that shit since nationstates like 10 years ago, what deja vu
>>71602302
it's going to be ok non-stealthed multirole fighter, compared to an air superiority fighter with stealth tech so important they aren't even allowed on the export market
>>71601545
In other news Israel got 100 brand new jets paid for by the American taxpayer, truly our greatest ally!
