Time to go vegan /pol/.
A vegan diet reduces risk of heart disease, cancer diabetes, dementia, atherosclerosis and more.
Vegans live longer and healthier.
Vegans have the lowest carbon footprint, 50% lower than meat eaters.
We are naturally herbivores: frugivores go be exact.
It is morally superior. We, as humans, do not need to kill animals.
Why not go vegan, /pol/? It's the rational choice.
>inb4 anecdotal
Sources can be provided. ( I'm on mobile)
>inb4 meat tastes good.
>so does cyanide.
Vegans are all annoying cunts
>>71580407
>>71580444
Great arguments.
>>71580364
Cooking is part of what makes us human.
Food IS culture.
Vegan cooking taste like dogshit. This is no way to live.
>>71580364
you are all fags and will die way earlier than us
>>71580537
Who said I was arguing anything, jackass?
>>71580554
>This is no way to live.
The way you live is killing you. Also, a vegan diet is the natural way you are designed to eat.
>>71580364
gary yurofski is a fucking tool: i've never seen the message butchered by the messenger quite like this
Meat tastes really good. Cba to give that up lid
>>71580364
>We are naturally herbivores
Why do we have canines? Why are we the greatest hunters ever?
>>71580364
Did you ever consider that vegans live longer not because eating vegan is healthier, but by choosing a diet in of itself people are paying more attention to health?
Eating meat provides amino acids that your body would typically be forced to make itself
You purposefully put yourself lower on the food chain.
>>71580770
Keep dreaming.
>pic related
>>71580364
>Eating vegan means you won't get diabeetus and shit
So does eating a good balance of different foods and exercising. You don't need to be vegan to be healthy. It all comes down to eating required nutrients in the right proportions.
>>71580364
Time to go coprophage /pol/
a scat diet reduces risk of heart disease, cancer, diabetes, dementia atherosclerosis and more.
coprophages live longer and healthier
coprophages have the lowest carbon footprint 100% lower than vegans
we are naturally coprophages.
it is morally superior. We, as humans, do not need to kill any living being,
Why not become a coprophage, /pol/ It's the rational choice.
>inb4 food tastes good
>so does shit
>>71580364
>Morally correct
Why you eat all the animals' food? You monster!
>I-I'm scared of death
The movement.
Stop hidding behind your moral high ground, lad. I will trade my meat and my cigars for dementia or cancer any fucking day.
>living more than 60 years.
Thats a jew move tho.
>>71580364
/pol/'s justification for eating meat and dairy:
> appeal to emotion
> appeal to tradition
> ad hominem attacks
Probably the best argument against veganism is that it is harder to gain access to protein and vitamins such as B12. But, these can easily be either supplemented or alternatives can be found.
>Implying beatiful plants aren't as deserving of life as the majestic cow
>b-but muh cns
Plants have a stress response to being cut up. You're essentially saying they're too stupid to deserve to live if you're arguing against this. Shit has to die so that you can live. Get over it you gigantic pussy, jesus christ you people are pathetic.
>>71580816
There is mechanistic studies showing that animal products are bad for us.
Cite who on cancer and atherosclerosis.
>Eating meat provides amino acids that your body would typically be forced to make itself.
All amino acids can be obtained on a vegan diet. More over, animal products are high in methionine which promotes cancer growth- the opposite is true for vegans.
>>71580364
Vegans live longer than who?
They don't live longer than vegetarians. They don't live longer than pescetarians. They don't even live longer than people who limit eating meat to a couple of times a week.
Veganism might be healthier than the average western diet, but that's not saying much.
>>71580364
Im considering it to try and lose about 40 pounds, but on rare occasions im still gonna fuck up a bloody steak
>>71580364
I'm trying to expand my carbon footprint as much as possible before I kick off this rock. Therefore I am bound by ethics to eat meat.
>>71580364
I eat very little meat, but I'm not going to be that cunt at family gatherings that refuses to eat meat and looks at the ingredients on everything they use
>>71580364
Will it help with acne/pimples, OP? If so I will become a vegan right now.
>>71581220
>an Aussie being the most rational.
Top kek.
Memes aside. B12 needs to be fortified in livestock as well due to modern farming practices. Homegrown fruit and veg provide RDA of B12
>>71581013
This
>>71581418
But then you'd have to give up Muhammad's sausage Sweden.
Also, why so many butthurt vegans today?
http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/carn_herb_comparison4.html
I used to have an infographic verstion of this.
>>71580979
Of man, was hiking in hawaii a few weeks ago and spotted a random boar. Shot the fucker and feasted like kings in the middle of the beach. Game meat is best meat. Once you taste it you realize how fucked up and sick farm animals really are.
>>71581527
Please help me aussie bro. I need my acne to go away.
>>71581442
I've read it like "Beta cucks", its too late for me
>>71580364
>We, as humans, do not need to kill animals.
Actually, we do. In some instances that is the morally superior option.
>>71580364
Pretty much this. People won't realize it because meat is literally a meme.
>>71581640
me too
>>71580723
What part of culture do you not understand?
We're not scratching dirt with sticks anymore.
As a species we make art, like music, and eat dope food. Fuck off.
The Vegan lifestyle is on the backs of capitalism anyway, for every vegan with a compost heap theres five that squander their trustfund at wholefoods.
Nothing more comical than a bunch of Vegans getting together trying to cook their bullshit. NO REALLY GUYS ITS THE BEST LASAGNA. hahahhahahahahhHAHA.
>>71581640
Lol same wow
>>71581627
Shower more, Anon. Oil blocking your pores is the culprit.
>>71580407
First post best post
>>71581594
I've never actually had feral pig. They're just now moving into my state, so maybe in a couple of years.
>>71581640
The funny thing is, PETA is a bunch of beta cucks.
Yes, veganism does sound cool, but i like it when i know my food was at one point a screaming animal begging for mercy as we slowly but painfully kill it. Especially when its a baby. It makes the meat taste better and overall it makes you feel good.
>>71581627
Find a doctor if it's that serious, you can pop a pill for that if you really need to.
>>71580364
>we are naturally herbivores
>>71581734
I already shower once a day.
>>71580364
You are wrong about almost fucking everything, but I still am going vegan as my next resolution. This was already planned. Our meat is treated disgustingly and china has control over a lot of it now.
>>71581831
It's not that serious, I always have like 3-4 pimples on my face, and it's annoying.
>>71580907
You realise you can't just feed animals meat when they're not designed for eating it, right?
>>71580364
>Time to go vegan /pol/.
No. And here's why
>A vegan diet reduces risk of heart disease, cancer diabetes, dementia, atherosclerosis and more.
>Vegans live longer and healthier.
That's because veganism is a conscious change to one's diet. You'd see the same effects you stopped eating fast food and shoveling chips down your throat
>Vegans have the lowest carbon footprint, 50% lower than meat eaters
No one should care about their individual carbon footprint. If you want to save the environment, lobby against the oil companies
>We are naturally herbivores: frugivores go be exact.
We have canine teeth, dipshit.
>It is morally superior. We, as humans, do not need to kill animals.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>Why not go vegan, /pol/? It's the rational choice.
Clearly not.
>>71581452
>Home grown fruit and veg provide rda of b12
Why are you lying on the internet?
>>71581711
No argument. Just emotional rhetoric.
Anyway, unless you can find any reasons to not eat a plant based diet, and can show that all the proven health benefits are null, enjoy your erectile dysfunction.
http://www.pcrm.org/media/news/meat-week-be-renamed-erectile-dysfunction-week
>>71581594
Boar tastes exactly like normal pork. Literally the only difference was that it was fresh.
>>71582048
>we have canine teeth
are you a.. what?
>>71581863
Move here, we don't take shit with our border policies.
>>71581936
Use that crazy anti pimple cream, but make sure to use moisturiser afterwards (ironically anti pimple stuff leaves oil, which becomes pimples again).
>>71582062
B12 is produced by bacteria in the soil. It can be obtained through well water as well.
Not saying supplements are needed. Just that modern farming practices have prevented it.
>>71582248
*aren't
>>71580364
>It is morally superior.
nahhhh
>>71581936
A few pimples doesn't matter. It's about your personality. Now go meet the perfect girl
>>71580364
>Mfw I'm eating kfc
>Mfw I'm half black
>>71580364
I don't want to live longer
>>71581259
I eat mostly vegetables and meat no bread and no sugar and definitely sugar is a higher contributor to cancer than meat is, something that has nothing to do with being a vegan, are you going to tell me you couldn't find something that causes cancer in all food groups?
>>71582098
No, we just know that arguing with vegans is pointless. Instead, we provide you with pictures of dead animals.
>>71580364
Thats one of the most subpar shit posts i've ever encountered you stupid fucking paddy.
>We, as humans, do not need to kill animals.
Just because Micks enjoy a diet of potatoes, potatoes, onion, and potatoes doesn't mean that a civilized human such as myself can't enjoy a well rounded and varied protein rich diet in a way that is optimal to my good health.
This is why my ancestors lived off Irish beef while your faggot ancestors starved to death because their meagre potato crops failed.
>>71582319
I think preventing the slaughter of animals and reducing the risk of diseases makes vegans morally superior.
>>71580364
>It is morally superior. We, as humans, do not need to kill animals.
you can also get magical powers, also Christ and John in the bible are vegan, the foods were changed by freemason wizards to place a spell on humanity
>>71580364
Nice try pajeet. Time to turn off the proxy. And while you're at it learn how to poo in loo
>>71582240
>Use that crazy anti pimple cream, but make sure to use moisturiser afterwards (ironically anti pimple stuff leaves oil, which becomes pimples again).
Tried many, never helped.
>>71582328
>A few pimples doesn't matter. It's about your personality. Now go meet the perfect girl
Ruins my self-confidence =/
>>71582432
>I don't want to live longer
try meth
>>71580723
>natural way
Maybe for niggers like you
http://m.pnas.org/content/106/38/16034.full
http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2014/03/new-diet-sexual-attraction-may-have-spurred-europeans-lighter-skin
>>71581452
And also RDA =\= optimal amounts
It takes very little vitamin C to stop scurvy, might as well just eat one orange a month
>>71582538
Being vegan doesn't stop the slaughter of animals lmao
>>71580364
>A vegan diet reduces risk of heart disease, cancer diabetes, dementia, atherosclerosis and more.
Not in all cases, when hereditary and not diet/lifestyle induced, a vegan diet has little to no effect.
>Vegans live longer and healthier.
No proofs. And please, do not say "The China Study" or some other false shitty source. I've known numerous vegans who diet of natural causes in their 30s through 50s.
>Vegans have the lowest carbon footprint, 50% lower than meat eaters.
Based on terrible pseudoscience that still has people stupidly believing that the fruit you're importing to the USA from South America somehow doesn't consume any resources from seed to export.
>Morally superior
Yep, you just jumped the shark there, OP faggot. Your whole goal is to look down on others and feel superior, so why not just hang yourself because you're just too fucking good for this world.
After all, the greatest gift a vegan can give to the world is to completely reduce their consumption by following the only logical course, which is suicide.
vegans btfo
>>71582526
Excellent appeal to nature family.
Also, I seem to remember a certain organisation raising the carcinogenic level for processed meat to be on par with smoking.
>>71582130
Are you retarded? Any wild game tastes completely different than its farmed counterpart. Wild deer and farmed deet taste nothing alike. It mostly has to do with their diets and fat distribution.
>>71581788
Be careful, depending on what theyve been eating they can taste like shit. The pigs in hawaii eat a lot of local crops and macadamia nuts so the meat gets a sweet taste to it. If your pigs are foraging nothing but roots then i wouldnt eat it. You should still kill it though theyre fucking up the ecosystem.
>>71582098
>No argument. Just emotional rhetoric.
>posts googled confirmation-bias clickbait designed to rustle jimmies.
>>71582750
7 a year if I remember correctly. I can get the source if I search.
>>71582827
Don't worry. If I see a feral pig, it is dead if I can help it. The only issue is that some of the areas that they're moving into have Javelinia, so I actually have to make sure it is a feral pig before I shoot it.
>>71580364
for every animal you don't eat, I eat two
>>71582820
Appeal to nature is a valid argument when it comes to this argument. Why don't you rationally argue that we should breath water? Oh, cause that's not in our nature?
Inb4 non equivalence
What you did was fallacy fallacy
>>71582894
I'll post a better reply soon of you want. But I don't see the problem with the article.
>>71583098
Just have side discussions with those of us who eat meat and post pics of dead animals for OP. Arguing with vegans is like arguing with Muslims about Islam being a religion of peace. It's pointless.
>>71580907
If we were naturally herbivores, we would be physically unable to chew and digest meat.
If you feed a horse steak, it's going to fuck it over, just like if you fed a Lion greens.
We're omnivores, if we weren't, we wouldn't have been eating meat for this long. There are humans who survive on a diet of almost entirely meat during certain parts of the year (see: Siberia).
If we weren't supposed to be eating meat all this time because it's unhealthy for us, then why didn't all the meat-eaters die out long ago? If it's so much more unhealthy, then why were hunter-gatherers who both ate berries and other fruit in the summer, and meat in the winter able to survive as opposed to those that did not? If those who only ate vegetables lived longer and healthier lives, then why didn't the tribes who ate little to no meat become the ones that succeeded, and pass down their dietary traditions?
I don't care if you're a vegan, just don't act like it's the natural way of humans, because it's not and it never will be.
>>71582894
>>posts googled confirmation-bias clickbait designed to rustle jimmies.
No, posted fucking PCRM LINK, which is a fucking pseudo-medical front group tied to PETA since Dr. Barnard (head of PCRM) has been secretly married to Ingrid Newkirk (head of PETA) for something like 15-20 years but they keep that shit under wraps.
There's so much wrong with the "science" that comes out to claim veganism is superior, I hardly know where to begin ranting.
>>71580364
You can always rely on the vegans to let you know they are vegans.
>>71581452
kek, not even being rational - just common sense. For some reason, vegan threads trigger /pol/'s autism
And thanks for the info. Stay strong brother
Also how is the motherland going?
>>71583123
>I'll do some more google/paste they'll be convinced soon enough.
>I need a feels-cult to diet and exercise properly.
>>71580364
>Eats year round fresh vegetables
>have to be trucked and flown in from other countries
>each western person alive adds a million pounds of CO2 to the atmosphere whether vegan or meat eater because western air conditioning and heating
>thinks they are saving the planet
You should kill yourselves to save the planet before we all die.
>>71580407
so are you
>>71580554
Learn to cook thing sother than burgers and fries you burger
>>71580562
source?
>>71580816
can be obtained through a vegan diet
>>71581013
the point is that there are far more benefits to eating vegan than regular calorie counting and excercise
>>71581174
eat shit and die
>>71581194
busy eating eachother LIKE UNCIVILIZED KEKS
>>71581218
death will be transcended by those wealthy and committed enough to achieve it
>>71581220
>correct
>>71581246
why don't you put down the syrup and flapjacks you fatass
>>71581306
eat a carbon based lifeform and die mongrel
>>71581401
easy way around this is to pot-luck yourself or better yet, cook yourself.
>>71581418
Yes it will, start slowly by replacing one foodstuff a day with something vegiterian, then repeat the process to vegan
>>71581594
This is the only argument I accept form meateaters
>>71580407
I've been vegan since I was 16 (I'm 25 now) but I honestly don't give a damn crap about what other people eat. I even cook meat for my family, my lifestyle choice does not concern other people and theirs do not concern me.
And by the way, I hate soy and tofu shit. I don't eat faggot food, just normal meals without meat and dairy products\eggs. Not a big deal. Then there are other aspects that do not involve food but again, haven't bothered a single soul in almost 10 years. The annoying cunts are the misinformed blogger and animal justice warrior hippies.
>>71583681
>>71581711
The whole fucking world is Ultra-capitalist, you need a better argument than that.
>>71581793
>makes you feel good
Yea if you're a psychopath
>>71581855
If you're a teen than there is very little you can do, puberty sucks.
>>71582048
You are what we like to call a 'cuckold'
>>71582507
Go shitpost somewhere else
>>71583681
Do you have a good website to get started on vegan diet? So I can get all nutrients (macros and micros) etc?
>>71583725
I agree, the likes of Vegan Gains is a fucking idiot. But, it is a beneficial diet
>>71582817
>anecdotal information
Like that has ANY relevancy
>>71583992
I'm 23 mate.
>>71581788
Yes it is produced in soil but what does that have to do with acquiring it from plants? Plants dont absorb the b12 unless the soil is supersaturated with it and even then it's not much. That's why it makes more sense to fortify it in other foods. And you're speaking to a guy that only eats hunted meat unless i'm at a restaurant. I get plenty of b12 from my meat which is how it's always been done. Veganism is only possible now because if the agricultural revolution and advances in food science and supplementation. Just because you dont like the feeling of killing a wild animal doesn't make it wrong. There's no difference between killing plants and animals they are all living organisms. If you think there is then you're just bullshitting yourself to jerk off your own ego. All my food comes from the wild, and even my veg is locally grown. My carbon footprint is most definitely smaller than any urban dwelling vegan so what exactly am i doing wrong?
>>71580364
ar yu fuggin kiddin mi?
>>71583681
>>71583992
Based. I wish I wasn't on my phone and could type better arguments. But you got the basics covered.
>>71580364
being vegan is wrong and unhealthy
>reduces risk of diseases, you live longer
yes, if you compare it to a mc donalds diet, but wrong if you compare it to a normal balanced diet
>carbon footprint
doesn't exist if you buy it from your local meat store, but i'd like to see the source for that (frankly, it's not that important, we have much worse things to handle that cause carbon emissions)
>humans are herbivores
untrue you uneducated fuck, try reading something other than "Spirit Science" articles in FB. Our teeth show the opposite
>so does cyanide
no, it doesn't
>morally superior
just deal with the fact that there is a thing called food chain, and we're on top of it
If these are the reasons people are vegan, they should off themselves right away. The only vegans/vegeterians i understand are the people who don't like the taste of meat or diary.
Sources:
I am biochemist, and i don't need to prove myself, i don't give a fuck, i'm too tired of stupid people. If you want to believe you're right, so be it
>>71584093
Meant for me?
>>71584003
nomeatathlete.com
>>71580364
>It is morally superior. We, as humans, do not need to kill animals
Ok
>>71580364
>We are naturally herbivores: frugivores go be exact.
How did we survive winters?
>>71580364
>>71584311
Whoops yea
>>71584013
Well I have to say my health has improved, mainly because I was chubby leaning on overweight and I've managed to get back into shape without even going on a proper diet. I eat a fuck ton but I keep it as healthy and balanced as possible. Plus, owning land adds to the vegan choice because you can grow your own food and stop worrying about a large chunk of problems linked to pesticides, chemicals and the like. My bio salad and potatoes make all the bitches wet.
>>71580723
>a vegan diet is the natural way you are designed to eat.
Then why did ancient man eat meat?
>>71584294
>doesn't exist if you buy it from your local meat store
Anon, please. Use some logic. Do I need to explain how vegans have a lower co2 foot print.
>>71584323
Most faggy vegan "nutrition" sites are still telling people that if you get more than 10% protein, your kidneys will fall out.
Precisely why "vegan nutrition" is an oxymoron.
>>71584323
Thanks.
>>71583681
>vegan better than being healthy
You got a source for that, or you just gonna eat your own flag, leaf?
>>71584432
Best of luck, Anon. Cool post
>>71584671
Rekt
>>71584594
yeah, that's the only thing you could come up with to refute my statement. Ok, they have lower co2 footprint, but that's why i said the other part you didn't quote.
As for the rest of my ( >>71584294 ) comment, you have anything to add?
>>71584435
Because it was the only good source available. That doesn't mean we should eat it. Apes can eat, and do in desperation. But that doesn't mean we should. Hence, it's a worthless appeal to nature fallacy.
Consider this, only herbivores can get atherosclerosis.
>>71584876
I'll post soon.
>>71585006
>I don't have sauce: The Thread
>>71580364
If all the stores disappeared and your only mode of travel was by foot could you maintain a balanced vegan diet all year around?
>>71584671
https://www.ncscooper.com/new-study-finds-vegans-less-annoying-than-anti-vegans/
>>71581594
any more pics, man?
that's fucking sweet
>>71582048
>>We are naturally herbivores: frugivores go be exact.
>We have canine teeth, dipshit.
.... damn .....
"With the exception of rodents, rabbits, and pikas, nearly all mammals have canine teeth. In fact, several herbivores have ferocious canine teeth." Good call on those canine teeth.
>>71585089
Sources are a pain on mobile. I'm getting decent ones to reply to him. Also, mobile site is shit tbqh.
>>71584946
>Consider this, only herbivores can get atherosclerosis
And only blacks get sickle cell anemia. What's your point other than that some people have terrible diets and that much of the problems related to heart disease were caused by groups like the CSPI who pushed for more trans-fats in order to reduce animal fats in foods and inadvertently created the biggest obesity crisis we've seen yet?
Yep, you can ignore that if you'd like and keep playing games, but anyone who is willing to do the work will know how the truth, that veganism isn't inherently terrible, but it's no fucking cure-all and doesn't provide nearly the level of benefit that vegans claim it does.
>>71584158
Do you go 100 mile?
>>71580364
You're working under the assumption that I'd rather live longer as a vegan than shorter as a meat consumer. This is not a correct assumption.
>>71584649
Why don't you go eat yourself, burger.
>>71585247
100 mile?/Don't understand senpai
>>71585130
>I can't handle the banter so I'm gonna find a study saying non vegans suck
Canada, will you ever change?
>>71582820
>I seem to remember a certain organisation raising the carcinogenic level for processed meat to be on par with smoking.
>processed meat
>processed
There you go, i found the bad guy. Meat itself is not bad
>>71585362
Why don't you stop being a pretentious dick on the internet?
>>71585394
Restrict what you consume to a 100 mile radius.
>>71585423
I don't care, i'm still better than you
>>71585362
Why don't you eat all those awesome fresh fruits and vegetables grown in the Great White North year-round that allow you to have such a low carbon footprint, leaf?
B-but I needs muh plantains and jackfruit and kiwi and amaranth, how will I survive when all we have here is moose fat and salmon?
Keep on being retarded, Canada, it's what you do best.
>>71580364
No.
>>71585543
Perfect example of your vegan everybody. This is why most people hate you.
>>71585489
Ergo, eat yourself.
>>71583681
>Learn to cook thing sother than burgers and fries you burger
Yeah, the guy who thinks cooking is culturally significant surely can't cook and eats fast-food garbage.
>>71580364
humans are not meant to be vegans, This is why you cant just go outside and eat the grass on your lawn or strip the bark off trees. The ability to be vegan is a product of 1st world food infrastructure. Your food are grown in greenhouses and laded with
GMOs.
---
HIPSTERS TRY FEEDING BABIES PURE VEGGIES, BABIES DIE
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1371172/French-vegan-couple-face-jail-child-neglect-baby-died-vitamin-deficiency.html
http://naturalhygienesociety.org/diet-veganbaby.html
tell me more about your "superior" rabbit diet. I eat tons of veggies too but they are unsatisfying AF
>>71585554
Why don't you go back to the city where you belong boy, men are working here.
>>71580364
Vegans also live with a significantly lower degree of enjoyment in their lives.
Also shorter lives
Vegas only manage to have enough strength to drag their slowly rotting carcasses around due to modern science and man made suppliments
>>71585621
>>71585606
Like I said I don't care.
Convert or die infidel.
>>71585209
It's late. This explains it better.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1312295
>>71585693
>Canadian
>Men
That's a good one.
>>71584323
Where are the b12 supplement pills?
>says diet is natural
>has to eat specialty crops and take man made vitamin supplements
>vegans
>>71585680
You can eat trees you idiot.
>>71585543
>>71585621
>>71585693
>>71585739
>i'm better than you
>i just have to justify my diet choices on the internet
>i swear i'm better than you
Ok then.
>>71585543
I mainly follow a starch based diet, so yeah, I guess.
Fruit has to be imported but it tastes like shit in Ireland.
>>71585812
http://www.nomeatathlete.com/?s=b12
>>71585839
He doesn't contribute to he slaughter and torture of animals. I think that is some justification for his case.
>>71585543
>Why does everyone hate vegans? We superior
>Can't prove that though, just gonna hate on omnivores
>I don't care about proving myself right
BACK TO TUMBLR WITH YOU
>>71585839
Keep on reviving this thread,
The more you post the more we win.
>>71585823
>You can eat trees
>>71585892
HOWS IMPORTING FRUIT DOING FOR YOUR CARBON FOOTPRINT, GENIUS? you gonna fly in some special organic acai berries from peru or some shit?
>>71580364
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/03/29/long-term-vegetarian-diet-changes-human-dna-raising-risk-of-canc/
>>71580364
I would rather die 10 years sooner with every meal being pleasure rather than torture, not to mention you behave like faggots constantly shoving your opinions into everyone's throat and creating uneccesary drama because of 'muh animals' that exist purely for our entertainment and utility, go hug a cow while I chomp this steak but stop bothering me with your boring dogmas. If you REALLY care about animals then drop your gender studies, study genetics and invent in-vitro meat that rivals raw meat, otherwise you're just another poser falling for fads.
>>71586072
Of course I'm going to hate on you,
You aren't vegan.
>>71586082
That's Berniebot logic right there.
Eating a vegan diet increases your risk for a variety of cancers and is worse for the environment
If eating bacon means I die sooner, so be it
>>71585812
Aren't pills made with gelatin, as in, stuff from animal byproducts?
>>71586098
http://www.outdoorlife.com/blogs/survivalist/2011/11/survival-foods-can-you-really-eat-tree-bark
Stay in the city boy.
>never knowing the joy of sinking your teeth into one of these
whats the point of living
enjoy your frozen peas
>>71586059
So, once again, it's confirmed that this is all about moral high-ground purity/superiority.
WEW LAD, good thing it's not actually about doing as little harm as possible for the main reason most of you go vegan. I'm relieved.
>>71586059
An animal wouldn't give two shits about you in the wild? Why do you care? Livestock production on a massive scale is awful for the quality of the meat, but there are plenty of farms that raise meat on a small scale and do great work. Eating tofu and complaining about how people raise their hogs is pointless.
>>71586082
>>71586019
How do you win?
>>71586098
Nope. I just don't eat as much fruit as I wish I could. Asnfor the co2 footprint. Animals agriculture contributes more to CO2 footprint than transportation. On averahe, vegans have a 50% smaller co2 footprint. I think I posted the source earlier.
>>71586213
source?
>>71586153
Guys I fell for it
>>71586257
>using the right part of the bark from the right species of tree.
so you have to find like this magical special tree out of millions of trees and maybe be able to consume it. WOAH dude that means WE WERE MEANT TO EAT TREES, unlike real herbivores that can pretty much eat most of everything
wheres the bark in your salad?
>>71586257
>recorded acres of trees stripped of bark for food by the locals.
So spend a ton of energy collecting a substance with less nutrition. Or set a snare and do something productive.
You sure are a wild man
>>71586300
>>71585813
>>71585839
>>71586072
>>71586098
>>71586120
>>71586231
>>71586266
>>71586310
Maybe you should get on our level to enjoy the view.
>>71580364
Veganism is just fucking cancer, especially because of the whole moral shit with killing animals.... I really don't get how you guys managed to graduate from high school having taken a biology course.
>We are naturally herbivores
KEK
>>71585199
i'd like to see the sources, but it's the shit like this >>71582098 >>71582894 >>71583394 why i told you to believe anything you want. I am pretty educated and confident in my sphere, so no one will ever change my mind. It's also the thinking of like 100% of my faculty's staff too, so it's not like i'm the smartass here
>>71585892
>starch based diet
enjoy being a low test male forever. That may explain your following the online trends like veganism (women's/low test feature), and not eating what is really beneficial to you or what you feel like eating.
>>71586300
I don't think I'm superior to you because I'm a vegan. I do beleive that willlingly contributing to, and encouraging the death and suffering of animals with no reason, does give us a moral high ground.
Maybe that's because i view all animals as you would a dog.
>>71586553
Don't really want to be a hat with a cuck leader.
>>71586622
>muh feels
They are dying whether you eat it or not
You lost me at morals
>>71586553
What level? Subhuman who thinks animals are his equals and conform his lifestyle to them and opinions of other drama queens? I'll pass.
>>71586553
>>71586622
Go eat some treebark hippies.
>>71586622
Then why are you starting the animals by eating all their food? That's making them suffer more than fattening them and killing them.
Also, there's no way that all the animals we eat would have survived without us eating them. You think cows and sheep would have survived?
>>71586592
>enjoy being a low test male forever
Vegans have the same test levels as non vegans. Also, vegans don't get a limp dick , as opposed to meat eaters, a vegan diet prevents atherosclerosis.
>>71586590
of course you don't see, all that fluoride is clouding your third eye
>>71580364
>implying carbon is bad
Are you trying to starve trees OP? Sounds like I'm the morally superior one.
>>71586379
POST STANDARD "1 COW NEEDS 6 GORILLION GALLONS OF WATER TO GET 1 KG OF EDIBLE MEAT MEME" HERE
If we get many more of these, we may as well start playing vegan bingo in this thread.
>>71584946
>because it was the only good source available
What? Please explain to me how you can be this stupid. First of all, you're saying hunting to get meat is a better source than some fucking fruits, nuts, natural veggies, w/e???? Secondly, why do you think predator-prey relationships exist in nature? Hm? Because it in reality helps the environment. You just have all the wrong reasons to be a vegan. How is it morally wrong killing an animal? It won't feel anything most likekly and it's hard-wired into their brains to know they will be hunted. Please go back to high school and take a basic biology/environmental science class.
>>71586553
im very mildly paelo. Not that I buy into it, but I dont enjoy refined carbs anyway
had my blood test results come back yesterday. Perfectly healthy. I'm also planning to join a marathon this year.
Weedy, pasty vegans that go weak after climbing a flight of stairs make me laugh
>>71586830
I don't think they will ever understand anon, just sit-back and enjoy the view.
>>71586836
The only way to open it is peyote, not denying it nutrition.
>>71586553
>Maybe you should get on our level to enjoy the view.
I did mention earlier, I was vegan for nearly 20 years, happier and healthier since leaving it behind, so no thanks. Maybe I'll try Scientology or something equally awesome next time.
>>71586839
Kek. There'll still be enough CO 2 for the plants, don't worry Anon. I'm not advocating for stopping fossil fuels.
>>71580364
There is no 'natural diet' for humans, but everything else you said is true.
>>71582538
Morality is subjective
>>71580364
>we are naturally herbivores
>what the fuck are those sharp things in my teeth
>>71582817
Fake article.
>>71586940
>posts gibberish and shitty arguments with shoddy sources
>"its not us, its them man. They just don't get it like we do"
>>71586922
I don't know what vegans you are around, but all of my friends are in fitness and we could run 2 marathons by the time it took you to do 1.
>>71587071
Not an argument.
>>71587076
It's used to eat them trees dude.
All my captchas are trees and grass. I think I might need to go vegan guys.
>>71587003
So if you know anthropogenic climate change is bullshit, why bring it up?
>>71586957
LOL keep using drugs anon,
It's sad your body will never be pure, and mind clean enough to achieve any high you with transcendentally.
>>71580364
>A vegan diet reduces risk of heart disease, cancer diabetes, dementia, atherosclerosis and more.
Reduces those chances versus what?
Meaningless statement, not even theoretically verifiable.
>Vegans live longer and healthier.
Ditto.
>Vegans have the lowest carbon footprint, 50% lower than meat eaters.
Don't care.
>We are naturally herbivores: frugivores go be exact.
No. We're naturally omnivores. See e.g . http://www.pnas.org/content/109/18/7008.abstract
>It is morally superior.
No it's not.
>>71587096
Under carbed
Vegan Calculator -
http://www.thevegancalculator.com/
>>71583681
>the point is that there are far more benefits to eating vegan than regular calorie counting and excercise
>being vegan
>more benefits than exercise
Wat
>>71586981
Did not read, I fully redact all insults thrown your way, Veganism isn't Islam, we don't issue a death-penalty for apostasy.
If I may ask, why did you chose to go back?
>>71587096
>vegans
>running marathons
>doing fitness
righttttt.jpg
gee someone should tell Phelps that he should eat purely veggies instead huh
>>71580364
Vegans are all annoying, hippie, commies , degenerates, cucks and fags
>>71587147
Not denying cc. Fossil fuels are a usednin plastic production. Unlike meat, this is something that is useful.
>>71586940
>>71586830
>>71587306
Maybe you haven't seen us since we mainly stick to ourselves, we do exist where you believe it or not.
>>71580364
hey potato brain
not got a response to me? >>71584384
your really gonna let my cliam stand unrebutted as truth? wew
>>71581259
Man no wonder the brits bend you micks over and fuck you in the ass. Bunch pf fags.
>>71581174
>a literal shitpost
>>71587547
>we mainly stick to ourselves
Is this b8?
>>71587343
SEEMSLEGIT.JPG
>>71587306
Didn't that chap who beat McGregor vegan? Also, look up vegan athletes. There's more than you think.
>>71587342
Meat is useful, it's what allowed us to be the most dominant species in the earth's history.
In the coming decades of turmoil, intelligence and strength will once again determine who survives, vegans are less intelligent and strong and will be rightly exterminated.
>>71587556
Didn't see the post. I'll read it and reply.
>>71587089
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/health/it-wasnt-worth-it-says-103-year-old-vegetarian-20151027103301
i've been a vegan for 3 years, yesterday I sucked off my wife's boyfriend. Does this count as a relapse?! Do I need to reset my streak?
>>71587306
> that jpg
cherrypicking becuase McKeith was ugly to begin with, also you've picked her without makeup and Lawson on red carpet
everyone was jerking off to Mila Cunis, until they all saw her picking up her mail early morning without make up
but i do understand your desire to make a strong case with this cherrypicking, try instead finding really valid and solid argument, unless you don't want to be dismissed as whole
Time to go gay /pol/.
going gay reduces risk of heart disease, cancer diabetes, dementia, atherosclerosis and more.
gays live longer and healthier.
gays have the lowest carbon footprint, 50% lower than straights.
We are naturally homosexuals: turbkqueers go be exact.
It is morally superior. We, as humans, do not need to procreate with women
Why not go gay, /pol/? It's the rational choice.
>inb4 anecdotal
Sources can be provided. ( I'm on mobile)
>inb4 vagina good.
>so does cyanide.
>>71587791
No. Cooking food is what was important. As for the meat part, hunting allowednus to communicate and use tactics. So I agree that hunting was important. But that bring said, meat isn't healthy for us.
>>71586830
>same test levels
so normal people would respond to this thing with studies, but there's no amount of (un)biased studies, (not) anectodal evidences, good/bad sample groups, or (un)skewed results in this world that could make me forget all the things i learned about the bromathology, metabolism, medical and basic biochemistry, endocrinology and many other classes i took. There are so many things that prove you the opposite of what you've said.
Let's just state the basics of what determines your test:
1. Genetics - coding of proteins, enzymes, receptors, co-factors, etc.
2. Lifestyle - how you utilize your body, what it does with the building blocks
3. Building blocks - proteins (more prevalent in meat, higher diversity of AAs), fats/cholesterol (more prevalent in meat, cholesterol is essential for androgen hormones), iron (more prevalent in meat), vitamins (which serve as co-enzymes or co-factors are more prevalent in meat), NO (more prevalent in meat, serves as muscle activator and vasodilatator)
The thing with building blocks is that they also are better for muscle growth if you're a meat eater, and muscle growth is highly correlated with T levels.
I could go on with this all night, but i see that your mind is closed to other opinions because you're so self entitled and you don't understand that i'm doing you a favor while explaining these things.
>limp dick
god fucking damn it, i've seen that nonsource you've posted. Just believe in your bullshit, expand your knowledge on hippie facebook """facts""", and never touch a biochemistry book
All sentient beings have the right to bodily liberty and all of the animals that we eat are sentient thinking, feeling beings. This is merely the Golden Rule as applied to everybody regardless of species. It is completely unnecessary to kill sentient beings to maintain good health. The only reasons are frivolous for entertainment and pleasure. Ask yourself why is it not okay to have a dog-fighting ring as Michael Vick did? He is using animals for pleasure just as everyone else does. Why is it ok when it is for consumption? Both are completely necessary. If you aren't, please consider adopting a healthy vegan lifestyle and stop the holocaust of a trillion dead animals each year.
>>71587959
Refute the China study and the who organisation. Nice shitpost though.
>>71587176
>vegan diet reduces risk of heart disease
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/255644.php
>>71588068
*both are completely unecessary
>>71580407
Only white meat chicken
>>71588068
>not getting off to things dying
fag
>>71588068
Killing an animal for food isn't the same as having them fight in a bloodsport.
>>71588038
ED is caused by poor blood circulation and mental.problems. A meat diet, is shown to cause atherosclerosis, hence, reducing circulation.
I posted an earlier source.
Also, vegans can reverse atherosclerosis.
As for the testosterone......
>>71580407
I was "vegan" for a while, not a sjw-vegan tho.
They are almost as annoying as feminists imo, if you dare say that you had an egg or something they will never shut up about how you are a vegetarian, even if you had the egg weeks ago.
The thing is their ideology is unstable for a multitude of reasons, you are "vegan" if you say you are the day after you choose to be one, but if you deviate then return you aren't one.
The politics of the vegan community is very hostile toward itself, it gets worse with the low-carb vs high-carb camps.
I love the diet, can't stand the community.
>>71587932
>sweden
dismissed
>>71588506
So what. I can equally dismiss all of your posts for being from Singapore.
>>71587959
vegan, gay, same difference
>>71584384
>>71587556
>>71587845
>>71588347
my dick works a treat, just ask your mother
she's a meat eater too if you know what I'm saying
>>71588068
>All sentient beings have the right to bodily liberty
who said that? did god say that? last I checked, rights were a MAN MADE THING. Did the lion eating the antelope check its "right to bodily liberty"?
>>71588347
Exercise is the easiest natural way to increase testosterone.
>>71588656
>>71587932
>dismissed
Sven/Ahmed, your country only serves surstromming and flatbread, this is a discussion about actual diets.
>>71588830
http://freefromharm.org/health-nutrition/b12-magic-pill-veganisms-achilles-heel/
>>71588711
Naturalistic fallacy. It doesn't matter what the lion or the antelope do. Yes, in a man-made society, I am arguing that all sentient beings should have the right to bodily liberty because of this one quality: sentience.
>>71588634
>taking bantz seriously
stop being so perma triggered
>>71588830
>muh way we should eat
>lol kidding we need to add these supplements to make it complete
>>71588953
>majority of people
>sentient
lol
>>71588953
>man-made society
MAN - made society
until animals can vote and hold office your point is moot
>>71588347
so you're saying
>meat >> atherosclerosis >> poor circulation >> ED
If everything was that simple it would be marvelous and my faculty wouldn't take 7 years to finish, but 7 days.
Also, you're forgetting that i'm not defending meat only diet without vegetables and fruits, but i'm shitting on diets strictly without meat eggs and diary. You can reverse the effects of atherosclerosis perfectly well with eating meat, eggs and diary multiple times a week.
And if nothing in this reply so far has proven you anything, i'll stick it on your level of arguments: Meat rich diets are providing more NO hence better circulation.
You'll need far more than 16yo level of deduction to understand metabolism and human body.
>as for the testosterone...
what?
>>71588748
Agreed, but i'm talking about two identical people with different diets
>>71589032
>Supplements which include animal material to make, defeating the purpose of going vegan
Vegans BFTO
>>71588459
Most of the 'community' are young and it is merely a passing fad to them, but older and longer-term vegans don't give a shit about all that identity. I got over it eventually.
