A few things led me to become disillusioned with the "atheist movement". The first was the growing influence of Islam throughout Europe. Not necessarily just Islamic terrorism but the range of social implications that come with large scale immigration from the third-world.
Because the logical conclusion of atheism is that nothing has *absolute* value, there is no objective moral code and tradition/history/culture isn't terribly important, the vast majority of atheists find themselves on the Left. In fact, one study suggested that about 80% of atheists were self-identifying liberals. As a result, these people are completely incapable of dealing with the threat that Islam currently poses, and will continue to pose as the Muslim population in Europe grows, because they buy into the whole "oppression/racism/Islamophobia" narrative that SJW's peddle. Atheists almost always go through the most ridiculous intellectual hurdles to claim that Christianity and Judaism are just as bad as Islam. Anyone can see that, at this moment in time, that is a blatant lie.
If the West is to win the coming war against Islam, it will need to win on both the demographic front and the ideological front. It's no secret that, the more secular a society gets, the less emphasis it places on the family unit, the lower the overall birth rate and the more tolerance it has for SJW-tier degeneracy. Western Europe should seek to mirror the Religious Right in America, abstain from social democratic policies that create an apathetic society and a culture of dependence and abstain from deriding Christians in an attempt to come across as intellectually superior gentle-sirs; especially if you're too much of a shitbag to say the same thing to Muslims.
>>71559014
I strongly doubt atheism itself is the cause but rather a common symptom of a culture in decline, based on what little I remember of "The Fall of Empires", the commonality being that the once strong convictions shared almost ubiquitously by members of a society become less prevalent, which is further compounded by the addition of foreigners who never shared, nor intend to adopt these values. A person can have strong convictions without the motivator being religion.
>>71559538
Other than Christianity, what, "once strong convictions", did Europe and North America used to, "share almost ubiquitously by members of society"?
>>71559829
Political ideologies also can work to unite people, sometimes they go to some extremes though.
>>71559014
god won't magically be real because "muh feels" or because atheists are assholes (according to you). there is literally no evidence or logical reason to believe in any god, and if i wanted to believe in some god i'd certainly wouldn't choose a cuck like Jesus who said turn the other cheek, while the current Pope is licking black "refugee" feets...
btw countries like Estonia or Czech Republic have more atheists than UK, Germany or Sweden, yet they are anything but submissive and passive.
atheism is just another thing western countries can blame their moral and social failures. you want religious fanatics to dictate how you live? then you should be happy with the muslim immigration. why not convert to islam and move to a muslims district? no degeneracy and nihilism there
>>71559829
>other than this one set of convictions i have excluded for no reason
>what other convictions did these people have
Really?
Still, depending on whether or not you also want to ignore values derived (to some extent) from Christianity, there is liberty, self determination, gender roles, etc.
>>71560828
>no degeneracy and nihilism there
lol
look harder, bozgor
America is the White nation that is the most Christian and it is also the nation that the most fucked up. Both Catholic and Protestant churches PAY for refugee's to come into Europe and North America. The Pope has been more than clear he's pro-refugee. Belarus is a lot more Atheistic than America but a lot less degenerate and less immigration too.
>>71559014
>Because the logical conclusion of atheism is that nothing has *absolute* value, there is no objective moral code and tradition/history/culture isn't terribly important, the vast majority of atheists find themselves on the Left.
No that's the logical conclusion of globalism and progressivism. How do you go from
>I don't believe in God
To
>tradition, history, and culture don't matter
You can't just say some condition is the logical conclusion of something and expect everybody to just eat the bullshit you're serving.
>>71560828
Whether one religion or another is objectively true or not is of little relevance right now. What we should concern ourselves with is social utility and which ideological belief system leads to the greatest degree of social cohesiveness, moral virtue and responsible behavior.
Atheism seems to lend itself to progressivism and all the accompanying degeneracy that leads from that.
Christianity, on the other hand, at least places an emphasis on the family unit/traditional gender roles, encourages members to abstain from materialism/hedonism and creates a skepticism towards outsiders.
You say that I am simply blaming the West's moral/societal failures on atheism... but what else, other than the decline of Christianity, could have led us to this point?
>>71559014
too true
most 'religious' people don't follow their own religious laws, so it hardly matters if they call themselves atheists.
>>71561259
I was referring more-so to the the Bible Belt, to be honest. The blue-states in America have caved-in to the progressive bullshit taught in most college campuses but there is still a great deal of animosity towards many of these ideological worldviews in Southern states/red-states.
There's a book by Mark Steyn called, "America Alone", which describes the unique nature of America, compared to Europe, in terms of its economy, religious population and demographics. Unlike Europe, which looks like a sinking ship as far as the Muslim invasion goes, America still has hope.
>>71559014
You're advocating doxastic voluntarism for moral and cultural purposes, which is retarded. People can not simply just start believing in Christianity again once it has been invalidated in their eyes, they need hard evidence. Which is usually prescribed in the form of hundreds of years old, defunct arguments pushed by the likes of Lee Strobel and WLC.
The degeneration you speak of wasn't caused by atheism. Atheism's current rise is the direct result of the enlightenment and the freedom and liberty which it created. The disolvement of the church and the monarchy loosened Christianity's vice-grip on libraries and schools.
However that isn't to say in its place, it wasn't replaced by Bolshevism in the form of Frankfurt School ideology. Which also pushes for atheism, among other things. They also push for drinking water, so it's not as if you could blame them for atheism when so many scientists and philosophers in the 21st century do not believe in an all-powerful demiurge.
Deus vult, you faggot LARPing nerd.
>>71561906
Hilers failure
>>71562937
The Enlightenment certainly did lead to people, primarily intellectuals, drifting away from the literalist interpretations of Biblical scripture. But that has very little, if anything, to do with the New Atheist fad we've seen in the past decade or so. The Enlightenment allowed general skepticism towards religious doctrine to be more socially acceptable but it never really had a significant impact on the number of people in Western countries who self-identified as Christian. You only have to go back to the 1950s in Britain, and as early as the 1970s in America, and you'll see that Christianity is the default worldview held by most of the population. They're not necessarily devout believers but they attend church every Sunday, adhere to the customs and abstain from degeneracy in fear of being talked about by the neighbors.
That has largely disappeared nowadays and people don't really care about morale virtue or traditional values. But it's not so much because we're all self-identifying atheists... most people simply don't spend enough time thinking about the existence of god to know what they think about the concept. They're irreligious, not atheistic.
So that suggests that, if you could make Christianity a social norm again, most people would probably just go along with it. As I said before, whether they are genuine believers is less important... what matters is the social cohesiveness it yields.
Modern athiesm is just anti-christianity.
>>71564801
Give it time and Islam will wear out it's welcome in the west
religion =/= race
