Who nulled honor in war? Was it Germans in Belgium?
>>71551086
technology
know one knew about how gay chemical weapons/the atomic bomb/uxo would be
>>71551086
>honor in war
You don't know much about war, do you.
>>71551086
Nope, people have always been doing fucked up shit.
>>71551265
>>71551267
Sure it wasn't clean, but Germans invented dishonorable combat.
Were there other cases of mass atrocities before the Rape of Belgium?
>>71551086
Maybe romans.
They sent well trained and discipline soldiers against barbarians.
Basically, any "war" that isnt champion com at is dishonourable
>>71551797
>against barbarians
Yes. Against. Because they were defended.
They didn't defeat an army then commit atrocities on civilians.
Even if, not at the scale Germany did in Belgium.
>>71551391
rape and mass murder were standard practice for 1000s of years
>>71551086
there is no honor in war. there are losers and winners.
>>71551985
Were they though? How many civilians did Napoleon's armies kill indiscriminately?
>>71552004
Maybe in 2011 but not before the Rape of Belgium.
>>71551086
There has never been real honor in war. If you go out to kill someone, you can't think of them as equals, and if you can't think of someone as an equal, you don't treat them with honor.
War has never been the glorious shit you dream of, it's always been hell.
>>71551797
Romans were based as fuck
they literally trained animals to rape people to death as a way of execution
Not really sure why i find this admirable
>>71552161
If I am armed and you are not, it is not war when I kill you. It is a crime.
Did such events occur before the Rape of Belgium?
England
Boer Wars
>>71551919
>They didn't defeat an army then commit atrocities on civilians
Mass enslavement isn't atrocity?
lol
>>71552452
Oh shit, England takes first place. Anyone worse?
>>71552671
Enslavement !== Indiscriminate murder of civilians.
>>71551919
Caesar in Gaul
>1/3 genocided
>1/3 enslaved
>1/3 survives
"Honor" in war
There never was, and never will be
>>71551086
Aathenians against people in Melos
As for ideological genocide - Frenchies (jacobins)
These fools talking about the evil Huns...
know not of history.
Genghis Khan basically spread the black plague to Europe.
>>71551086
Perfidious Albion is the answer. Perfidious Albion is always the answer.
The allies did a lot of greasy shit in the first world war, we only don't hear about it as much because you know, history is written by the victors. The UK entered the war to supposedly protect Belgian neutrality, but showed no hesitation in violating hte neutrality of Greece. The Brits also used passanger liners to transport military goods from the United States, the Lusitania was found to have ammo on board a few years ago, it was actually a legitimate target. And "muh democracy and freedom" is an odd justification for war when you're allied with literally the worst autocracy in the world at that point (Russia).
http://faculty.uml.edu/ethan_Spanier/Teaching/documents/CP6.0AssyrianTorture.pdf
This is like 3,000 years old.
>>71553349
>literally the worst autocracy in the world at that point (Russia).
Butthurt belt never ceases to be butthurt.
>>71551443
are you retarded?
>>71551086
If you thought there was ever honor in war you are naive beyond definition.
>>71552274
Which event are you refering to?
>>71553550
>Russian education
You literally hadn't progressed beyond Serfdom.
If you'd stop blaming the civilized people of Europe, maybe you'd progress beyond being the niggers of the white race.
>>71552112
>Were they though? How many civilians did Napoleon's armies kill indiscriminately?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napoleon's_Crimes
>>71553550
then why did you kill your Tsar?
Nobles fight nobly. As soon as any one of these three things happens:
>war becomes a peasant game
>noble families become degenerate
>state is detached from populace
...all decency is abandoned and you start seeing genocidal behavior from whichever side is winning at the moment. Peasant fighters expect to be compensated above their shite wages, which means whenever their side is on top they get to rape the losing team's women. Further, the titles of nobility mean absolutely nothing without the actual merits. Whenever governments set themselves up to prevent inferior leaders from being replaced by better ones, quality of leadership begins declining sharply from generation to generation. Lastly there's the connection between state and nation - if it doesn't exist, then the state doesn't care about the public's reputation. This enables them to massacre and pillage without fear of reprisal. Reprisal will come, but it will be against civilians and the state won't care.
Modern governments have all three of these things.
>>71553650
>WW1
>serfdom
>American education
Go open a book, burger.
>>71553921
see: >>71553789
>>71551086
Whenever one side really hates the other, atrocities occur. It has always been this way since before we were even human. Honor is only surface deep in war.
>>71552233
>Not really sure why i find this admirable
because your danish and your people have enjoyed rape and bestiality since your peoples existence.
>>71553550
But Russia was the most autocratic nation amongst the great powers at that point.
>>71553921
kek
Why don't YOU open a book?
It's an established fact that Russia DID still have a system of Serfdom in WWI.
>>71551086
lol atrocities existed pre-writing.
Even chimps can be fucked up scum who will destroy even packmates out of greed or jealousy.
They will wipe out other tribes. Drop babies out of trees. Gnash off their genitals. Rape the submissive.
Primates are beasts. Atrocities are in our nature. No country invented this shit.
>>71551086
the brits
>muh bad germans
go fuck yourself
>>71553669
>Claude Ribbe is a French writer historian, philosopher* and filmmaker of Carribean origin
>Ribbe has specialised in the history of colonialism in the Caribbean. He has also been active in promoting civil rights in France for people of ethnic African and Caribbean origin.
What a piece of shit.
*kek
>>71551086
>Who invented atrocities?
God
>Who nulled honor in war?
Just a symptom of a dying civilization. We maintain ourselves now due to technology and exploitation, but we are a hollow corpse waiting to collapse.
>>71554057
Not sure what you're reffering to exactly, serfdom in Russia was abolished in 1861. Still, the country had only just gained a constitution and elected parliament, which was largely symbolic. The czar still had nearly unlimited power.
>>71553789
We didn't. Jew did. Lenin was a kike so were his Bolsheviks who were funded by kikes from all over Europe and the US.
Tsar was pretty shit though, being a German and all. But claiming we were the worst autocracy in the world during that time is just a pure show of asspain from Eesti.
>>71554044
You claimed we were the "worst autocracy in the world", shit for brains.
>>71554057
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emancipation_reform_of_1861
>>71554184
Regardless of the faggy author it's a fact that napoleon was a brutal motherfucker who razed haiti from the earth.
>>71551086
our revolution was waged by guerrilla warfare. we targeted officers and that was unheard of back in the 1700s
>>71554258
>wikipedia is a book
>>71553608
In the first world war Germans defeated Belgium then rolled in and killed everything they could.
>>71554410
Are you just pretending to be retarded?
>>71552112
You should ask ghengis khan about rape and murder.....
>>71552274
Americans killed loyalists ON CHRISTMAS DAY when it was a ceasefire.
USA USA USA
>>71554410
You're being pathetic now.
Just admit you were wrong or don't reply.
>>71554531
Temujin was a good boy!
He dindu nuffin!
>>71551086
Since the beginning of history. It was much worse in the Ancient world.
>>71554398
>targeting leaders unheard of
Phalanx warfare armies sometimes won just by knowing where the enemy king was in his manpile.
>>71551086
>Who nulled honor in war?
Cain.
>>71554022
Top kek you must live in the Danelaw
>>71554476
>>71551086
>Was it Germans
And so begins another Eternal Teuton thread
>>71554735
i'm from wessex, WESSEX STRONK FUK KUNT THE GREAT WESSEX REMOVE DANE ALFRED THE GR8 M8
>>71554217
russia didnt truly become great until it had wiped out the royal family. lined those fucks up in the basement of a buildings and shot them
based. people starving and your getting faberge eggs... you and your kids gota die
>>71554619
>responding to a user who entered the conversation recently and only posted meme images
>your facts are false!
Alright so we've established that
>England killed more people by numbers
>mass murder happened before
Let me ask you another question: did anyone did anything worse than the Rape of Belgium in the last two centuries?
I'm just trying to figure out whether Germans are as bad as they seem.
>>71554802
>>71554258
It really wasn't some sort of emotional post, Russian empire is so distant history, I don't really care, it has no real effect on us today. Can you think of a more autocratic nation in 1914? Ottoman Empire, maybe, I don't know much about their politics at the time.
>>71554398
And how many unarmed women and children did you line up and shoot?
>>71554871
That's actually the point when it became shit, the Russians killed their upper class and doomed themselves to a century of bydlo dictatorship.
>>71555090
>Can you think of a more autocratic nation in 1914?
Germany, Austro-Hungaria.
>>71555008
AMERICANS KILLED PEOPLE ON CHRISTMAS
>>71554875
>LOL wow I can't believe you're taking a retard like me seriously!
>>71555309
Defenseless civilians?
>>71555510
Loyalists ON CHRISTMAS, they were defenseless
>>71555248
Germany had a higher percentage of people eligible to vote than Great Britain, and had the strongest left-wing party in Europe at the time (SDP). During the war Germany turned into a military dictatorsihp run mostly by Ludendorff, but before the war Germany wasn't all that worse compared to France or Britain.
Lots of jews escaped to Austria-Hungary because of anti-semitic pogroms in Russia. They were actually fairly tolerant, they had to be because there were so many nations and faiths in the empire.
>>71555090
I don't know, maybe the majority of countries in the world? Russia wasn't far more autocratic than many European nations. let alone all the nations in Asia, ME and Africa.
>>71555199
>century of bydlo dictatorship
Hey, without our "bydlo dictatorship" humanity would have never gotten to space. One thing you can be thankful for if you at all care about the future of the human race. And don't start with all those "German scientists", the US got most of the good ones and they didn't get into space before us, so clearly our own men and women were the deciding factor.
>>71555667
Do you even know what an autocracy is? Having a big liberal party or being tolerant means nothing when the emperor of either country still has full authority to enact his will freely as he sees fit.
>>71552112
Mongols killed every men and raped every women in every village they conquered, then they set everything on fire, the Huns also did that too
>>71554258
>Tsar was pretty shit though, being a German and all.
can anyone coment on this further. a certain german leader discussed that this was why the elite classes in russia did well whereas the rest were slavic and so the two would ultimately clash and would not get along
is there oppositoin between slavic races and germanic/nordic in eastern europe and russia ?
are there real differences in culture ?
>>71551086
There is no honour in war. Soldiers have raped and murdered innocents since the dawn of time.
>There is no honor in war
Lol at all the people of lesser races and subhumans ITT.
Face it, you're all primal subhumans or devious imperialistic brainwashed anglos trying to justify your lack of honor.
Some peoples have honor, some (barbarians)(you) don't.
I'll give you an example of difference between our cultures and honour. There was recently a scandalous leak from Finnish war time archives that the Finnish fighter bombers were in fact forbidden from engaging and bombing military targets in Russian cities. All that because it could endanger civilian lives.
On the other hand, the Russians literally tried to carpet bomb our capital to the ground. The only bombing raid that is comparable to the great bombing raids of Helsinki during the war was the infamous bombing of Dresden.
The other nation forbids its pilots from bombing at all, while the other is literally terrorbombing civilians.
There is honor in war, but there simply isn't honor in you lesser vermin races. Some people are honorable by nature, most are not.
>>71552112
you can go back much further: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty_Years'_War
> The Thirty Years' War saw the devastation of entire regions, with famine and disease significantly decreasing the population of the German and Italian states, the Kingdom of Bohemia, and the Low Countries. Both mercenaries and soldiers in fighting armies were expected to fund themselves by looting or extorting tribute, which imposed severe hardships on the inhabitants of occupied territories. [...]
> So great was the devastation brought about by the war that estimates put the reduction of population in the German states at about 25 to 40 percent.[75] Some regions were affected much more than others.[76] For example, Württemberg lost three-quarters of its population during the war.[77] In the territory of Brandenburg, the losses had amounted to half, while in some areas an estimated two-thirds of the population died.[78] The male population of the German states was reduced by almost half.[79] The population of the Czech lands declined by a third due to war, disease, famine and the expulsion of Protestant Czechs.[80][81] Much of the destruction of civilian lives and property was caused by the cruelty and greed of mercenary soldiers.[82] Villages were especially easy prey to the marauding armies. Those that survived, like the small village of Drais near Mainz, would take almost a hundred years to recover. The Swedish armies alone may have destroyed up to 2,000 castles, 18,000 villages and 1,500 towns in Germany, one-third of all German towns.[83]
>>71556850
What war are you talking about?
>>71557166
And how many occurrences of troops seizing then systematically murdering civilians?
>>71557776
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Helsinki_in_World_War_II#The_damage_of_the_great_raids
>>71557947
Swedes systematically murdered the opposing prisoners of war, which was a great shock at the time. Earlier in 30 years of war they were more used to using mercenaries, so the prisoners of war were usually simply paid to join the winner's army.
>>71551086
Atrocities and dishonorable warfare happened since the beginning of time. Since the first family of humans went and killed another family, took their cave and raped their women.
Europe went through a period of "honourable" warfare during the Middle Ages because of the feudal system in government in place. This system of government didn't like armed and trained civilian population, they had small loyal forces that they would levy once in awhile. Warfare in these times was basically an engagement between armies of the barons/dukes/kings and then everyone would go home and there would be a small exchange between winner and loser. The worst atrocities would generally be the sacking of a fortification if it didn't surrender, but this was unspoken law of the times. Wars steadily turned into meat grinders in Europe when Napoleon introduced the concept of conscripting civilians into the army (he even boasted to other European leaders he was losing 30k a month, which for feudal powers would result in an end to the war for them). And then finally with nation states and industrialised warfare
If you look to the East you'll see some extremely brutal ones. Steppe nomads were always ruthless
>>71558121
Looking at it, Finland was pretty cool-headed during both world wars. How big of a military factor was and is Finland?
>>71558248
aren't finish the descendants of Turko-Mongols? some of the most brutal cultures of the last 1000 years?
>>71551391
It was invented before Germany was even created, dickhead. Dishonorable combat proceeded "honorable" combat.
>>71558943
Preceded*
Fuck.
>>71551086
British.
>>71551919
You're retarted. There were no attrocities in Belgium.
>>71551086
>>71559183
You guys are fucking stupid.
There has never been honor in war.
Open a history book.
>>71554802
man the ameribro fucker you guys so hard in that war , how can you be proud .....
had to beg them for foodstamps like bitches in the end ..........and give up dem lands ........and buy all those nice shiny ww1 ships from the ameribros
such great deal , such profit
>>71559189
>oy vey
>>71555017
You still water that tree even when its fruits forced upon you taste so sour ?
>>71559412
It's true. We only killed partisians that rose up against international law. Brits used it and blew it up because muh evul germs
>>71551086
Is catapulting diseased animals over city walls in the game?
Or trading infected blankets to natives considered?
