with our fellow bankrupt Europeans?
Or are we just being asstards telling them to suck it up and actually fucktard get a grip on?
>>71544020
You are being asstards.
>Greece is going down
>Ve hav no moneyz!
>Black cock on the horizon
>6 gorillion euros suddenly appear.
>Force based polan to take some
You're fucking europe.
>>71544020
How do you feel about the situation?
>>71544020
We won't take responsibility for your shit this time Europe, fuck you.
>>71545182
Greece was given hundreds of billions euros to pay its debts and it still wasn't enough. While turkey deal costs Europe only 5 billions and its dignity, so much cheaper.
Everything is germany's fault again
they are a bunch of stupid bullies and they've singe handedly destroyed the EU with their refugee crisis.
I hope history remembers the germans as a bunch of zealous fags who fucked up europe over and over again
>>71545485
>While turkey deal costs Europe only 5 billions and its dignity, so much cheaper.
Kek how true.
What is worse Turkey spends approx 2 billion on refugees in a year. We will literally take care of the refugees for 2-3years of money.
My only comfort is that Turkey being a shithole, the migrants will do everything to flee here.
>>71545672
>still believes Germany is initially responsible for all crises (WWI, WWII)
kek'd
>>71544020
>>71545485
The fault of Greece's collapse (and the impending collapse of Finland, Italy, Spain and Portugal) are all the fault of Germany.
The reason is simply because we got scammed into accepting the Euro as a "superior currency". There are some extremely obvious flaws with this and I have no idea why anyone in their right mind would accept this currency.
A currency you cannot control yourself is quite straight up counterproductive to your own needs. If you cannot control your currency, the chances of you controlling your economy is minuscule.
It's a good currency, sure, but the problem is, it's only good for Germany. They are the ones in charge of the currency and they're the only ones gaining on it, and they're gaining massively.
It's not because they're better at producing things than other EU countries, it's because they're in charge of the EU economy, and they pick themselves over the good of the "union".
Essentially: Who needs enemies when you have friends like these.
>>71545991
I mean, the second one was kind of your fault
You're just being absolute cunts to the rest of Europe, and they have no choice but to accept it because you're the only one with the money except Britain, who wants to leave the EU thanks to your shitty economic strategies. You can't help but continuously fuck up Europe by means of your absolute autistic greed, can you Hans?
>>71546101
Well when you would ask me in real life I'd probably say yes, but since this is /pol/ I expect some random american to appear, throwing some superficial knowledge in and tries to defend this point til the thread expires.
So without any deeper research I'll just say Germany was forced into the war, which is probably true anyway.
>>71546388
>88 on Hitlers birthday
>Victory is mine
>>71544020
We dont need solidarity. We need our own currencies back and the lifting of production quotas.
>>71545991
WW2 was entirely your fault
>Get fascism
>Union with Austria
>Strong family values
>Patriotism
>Jobs
>It's good :^)
>but wait we're germans
>we ruin everything we touch
>EXTERMINATE THE SLAVIC RACE, WE WILL CONQUER ALL OF EUROPA AND SQUASH THE OTHER EUROPEAN RACES UNDER OUR BOOT
>SIEG HEIL SIEG HEIL SIEG HEIL
and then
>Communism is over
>Now we are EU
>Erasmus teen pussy
>Brotherhood and no warfare
>Multiculturalism
>We all live in peace and cooperate
>It's good
>But wait we're germans
>no ideology is safe from our stupidity and zealotry
>ALL POOR BROWN PEOPLE ARE NOW REFUGEES AND WE WILL TAKE ALL 3 BILLION OF THEM, FUCK YOU EUROPE I DON'T CARE IF YOU WANT THIS, IF YOU DISAGREE WITH US WE WILL CRASH YOUR ECONOMY AND WE WILL MAKE YOUR SHIT LIKE GREECE, MORE MUSLIMS!!!, MORE BLACKS, MORE RAPES MORE PEDOPHILES!!!!, WE ARE CRASHING THIS EU WITH NO SURVIVORS
>SIEG HEIL SIEG HEIL SIEG HEIL
>>71544020
Not with Europeans you're not.
It seems even when we forgive you, you attempt to drive us into the bloody ground.
>>71546647
This canuck is correct.
>>71544020
What you're doing, Hans, is piling up kindling around your house and handing everybody matches.
>>71545284
>How do you feel about the situation?
You mean that we don't hand Greeks free money, but make them suffer and reform?
Pretty bad, if it were me, we shouldn't have handed over a single cent to anyone in Europe... not even to Eastern Germany.
>>71545991
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ztOV2wrrkY
Daily reminder
>>71546647
>Daily reminder that behind every Canadian shitpost is a depressed Canadian crying for help.
>Do your part and help a leaf out.
>Tell him he's funny, tell him he's smart.
Okay you are right, and pretty smart and funny by the way
>>71544020
>Or are we just being asstards telling them to suck it up and actually fucktard get a grip on?
Pretty much, considering Germany only PROFITED from the misery of Greece.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/for-germany-a-profitfrom-greek-drama-1439252902
And Finland ended up doing worse than Iceland, a country that fucking BANKRUPTED, despite it being a "fiscally responsible" country.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/07/17/the-euro-is-a-disaster-even-for-the-countries-that-do-everything-right/
The entire EU is literally nothing else but Germany draining the rest of Europe dry, as it had always desired. Part of the German Lebensraum doctrine was based on Germany's relative lack of resources and its desire to gain more. What better way than to fucking shut down the economies of your "allies"?
>>71546647
Oh look. A leaf that actually speaks the truth.
It has been how many times? 3 I think. Three fucking times Germany destroyed europe already lol.
>>71544020
>Solidarity
What we need is to get out of this Euroshit Union which its only achievement was removing our sovereignty, industry and increased the prices while converting us in the Europe's summer resort.
>>71546846
>>71547108
>not bullying Canada
Hah faggots, looks like I won this round.
>>71546647
One of the best Weed Dude post ever.
Nice pseudo dubs to.
We need a third Wolrd War to get rid of germany, and this time it will be split up, no german reich again. Remove the cancer in the heart of europe Now.
>>71547630
You're still a retard, I just happen to agree with you in this instance. Maybe we could perhaps bond over this and repair our relationship...
>>71547030
Weve repaid our debts many times over, its just that with your insane interrest rates we havent made any progress
>>71547632
stfu austri-cancer
So when is Germany going to repay their debts to Romania from WW2?
Hypocrites and thieves, the lot of you.
Germany is running the EU and this is its chance to force other countries to do what they want them to do.
As the other countries get poorer and into debt they rely on germany to bail them out thus they hand over power to germany.
It is WW3 on an economic and political stage instead but the rapefugee crisis could undermine it all espc with the eastern countries saying no and putting up borders and now with the UK on the brink of leaving it could and will pave the way for others to leave.
>>71548056
Needs to update with refigees
>>71546067
I'm not an Economist but i'd rather say the problem is weaker Countries like east or southern Europe joining a Union with high Socio Economic Standards.
its like begging to be exploited.
>>71547808
>Weve repaid our debts many times over, its just that with your insane interrest rates we havent made any progress
>1%
>insane interest rates
Pick one. Also, you have paid about 15 billion in interest, while we handed you 300 billion or so. How have you repaid your debnts many times?
>>71546278
>You can't help but continuously fuck up Europe by means of your absolute autistic greed, can you Hans?
Everyone needs a hobby :^)
>>71547784
We are pretty similar, Canada is just Australia with more snow, chinamen, and guns
We should have more of a sibling rivalry than an outright shitposting feud
>>71547632
Remember that you're one of them.
>>71548147
>with the UK on the brink of leaving it could and will pave the way for others to leave.
Correct. The UK leaving will shatter the union, not because the UK itself is so fundamental to its existence but because the UK leaving will prove to other countries with doubts about the EU that it's possible to leave. After that, many countries with even minor complaints will be more inclined to leave.
And looking at the numbers many voters in the respective countries also want a Frexit, Swexit and Nexit. Let'snto forget how close the last Greek elections were to creating a Grexit, which might actually happen if the UK insipres the Greeks.
>>71546067
Only partly true.
>are all the fault of Germany
Fault of the Euro, not fault of germany. In 1990, it was France that said to germany "you get reunification if you take the euro" as a form to keep germany in check. She following together with:
> it's only good for Germany.
Not entirely true. The Euro is overvalued for countries like greece, spain, portugal etc because it does not represent their economic power and thus leading to their ecomomic downfall. The reason the euro is still so strong is because of germany and france (most relevant economies with the euro). BUT this also means, that the weaker countries take the euro down with them from the view of germany, meaning the euro is about 20% undervalued for the german economy. This means that a german worker gets 20% less than he actually works for (very simplisticly stated).
The Euro´s design is just shit, it´s not the fault of a single country and it is not used deliberately to force the other countries into poverty. The Euro is just shit and thats it.
Germany overvalues the euro for the weaker countries while the weaker countries undervalue the euro for germany.
>>71547030
>not even to Eastern Germany.
This. East Germans are our version of welfare queen niggers.
>>71548334
>Canada is just Australia
This is a lie.
Australia is full of awesome, whereas Canada is full of ... you :^)
>>71548334
I think we're pretty even when it comes to Chinamen and Indians desu. I like you, Canada, I've always thought that we have an innocent sibling rivalry rather than a shitposting fued anyway. You're like the brother who is sometimes annoying yet in all honesty a pretty cool guy.
>>71548334
>Canada is just Australia [...]
Better be careful with that
>>71545182
We actually gave greece a shitton of money.
What everybody was mad about is that we told greece to get their shit together.
>greece has so far received 356,9 billion in financial aid since 2010
For reference that's more than germany's yearly budget
>>71548384
Greece would have been the first to go if it was not for the corrupt govt who basically fucked over the people and took a massive load and put the people into debt for the rest of next century.
>>71546647
So true, last time an american told me that we're responsible for socialism with Rousseau.
But who was the weird guy who turned the reflexions in an oppressive political ideal ?
A german guy called Marx.
Germany should stick to engineering and science, whenever they pick an actual politic subject they become batshit crazy.
>>71546647
this. lets be honest, germans are a cancer, ethnic replacement is the answer. thanks mutti merkel
>>71545182
It was never about not being able to just pay Greece's denbts for them. Their economy is so laughably small that it would have been pocket change for us.
But if we did Spain and Italy would have rightfully asked why we help Greece and not them and then we would have been fucked, because those countries are playing in a different league than Greece.
Not like we aren't fucked now either though. All they did was delay the inevitable a bit, the EU will collapse anyway.
Also Greece might be fucking retards but what we forced on them was essentially a new Versailles Treaty, just so we didn't have to admit that the Euro was a really stupid idea.
>>71548660
>in financial aid
Loans?
>>71548640
>>71548508
>These butthurt krauts
You can't ruin our bond because we aren't in europe so get keked kraut
>>71544020
> French
> German
Fucking retarded cartoonist
>>71548727
It's best to keep them not unified and under the control of a foreign entity, like in the Holy Roman Empire.
>>71546101
The first and second world war were essentially just one big war with a short cease-fire.
>>71548749
I thought it was a refinancing scam as in new european loans are used to pay for maturing loans owed to european private banks thous european taxpayer will be left with the bag of defaulted bonds rather than Deutsche Bank or Societe generale.
>>71548660
>We actually gave greece a shitton of money.
While this is true, it completely obscures the fact that most of the money was tied to the condition of paying back interest rates. Instead of using the money on investment programs, Greece was forced to pay off the banks while the people were forced to accept massive cuts on top of tax increases.
Austerity is a joke either way, but it's bound to fail even harder when it's not accompanied by smart investments.
So basically, all the billions that were given to Greece completely bypassed the people and went straight to the banks.
The Greek people were fucked over twice: first by their corrupt government, and after that by Europe and Germany specifically.
I am sorry, Greekbros. Please accept my apologies.
>>71548727
>GDP
Get some shit done, or better get rid of your self unproductive balkantard
>>71546067
>it's only good for Germany.
*good for the German elites
We are handing tax money to other countries so they can buy our goods. It's just about shifting money from the average German to the ones that control the export industry - everyone else is essentially collateral damage that was necessary because they wanted a higher consumption.
>>71548294
>>1%
When will this meme end?
We owe money to banks, not just Germany. Even with your low-ish interrest rates, it doesnt change the fact that the money we owe to banks has higher interrest rates than what we can keep up with.
And even the, Germany's measures on our economy stop any kind of economic froth, only widening the debt to gdp ratio. Greeec needs a debt haircut so we can keep up, take back the economy, and actually have growth again. But thhe kraut doesnt want that. And he will be remembered for that
>admit Greece into eu and eurozone fully aware Goldman Sachs faked their books
>gimp Greek economy in the name of 'market fairness'
>loan Greek banks enough money to bankrupt your financial system
>give Greece money to bail out your own banks
>Greece must repay bailout + interest
>greece must conform to German demands on economic reform and gov. Spending
Greece is still a larger economy than the entire balkans combined but tsipras the commucuck is working hard to destroy what's left of the nation so Merkel can foreclose on them.
>>71549265
So you are saying you stupidly took money from banks and now we hand you cheap 1% money and you say you have paid us German taxpayers all the money back already?
Damn, I just hate lying Greeks. Hate them, hate them, hate them. I hope you stay bankrupt until 2050 or longer.
>>71544020
Germany is the coolest country there is. Even with all cucking in last 20 years you are still the best. From Russia with love.
>>71546101
>Thinks WW2 was Germany's fault
>Nations of Europe bound each other up in such a complex and absurd network of agreements, treaties and ultimatums that any twitch would have set off the shit storm.
The Brits were threatened by the German economic recovery, war was coming regardless.
...Do you ever feel /pol/ has became /int/ without country specific threads and with less moderation?
>>71549079
>Greece was forced to pay off the banks while the people were forced to accept massive cuts on top of tax increases.
The fact is, Greece has had budget deficits for the last 6 years... and massive ones at that. Or in other words, we subsidized Greek overspending for the last 6 years and still do that. Greece still has budget deficits.
>>71549401
It's devastating to see that the elites have managed to pit the German and Greek peoples against each other while those responsible for the mess made out like bandits.
>>71549079
>Please accept my apologies
Its not your fault, or your governments, its the jews fault. As you said, the money you gave Greece went staight to (jewish) banks, and so will any debt relief you carry on sending, and any debt we start paying back. Its all way for the money grabbing kikes to expand their operation and get their hands on a few more shekels. Ukraine will have the same fate
>>71548384
We should be fucking thankful that we had no Grexit. They would have starved in the streets and depended on constant aid from the other countries, no one would have dared to leave after that.
The UK on the other hand should be capable of taking the inevitable hit they will take short term without too many problems.
>>71549537
>Or in other words, we subsidized Greek overspending for the last 6 years and still do that. Greece still has budget deficits.
Yeah. That's because austerity doesn't work, and we still forced them into it.
Disgusting.
>>71544020
>wörk happens all by itself
>>71549655
Real austerity has never been tried.
>>71549743
A play on the old communism apology!
Noice :^)
>>71549655
>Yeah. That's because austerity doesn't work, and we still forced them into it.
>austerity doesn't work...
Are you some kind of leftist retard? Do you even know what austerity is? It means you spend what you take in.
There is no alternative to not overspending. Greece is bankrupt. They either go complete bust or they stop overspending. There is no alternative. And it is actually their choice.
>>71547030
>wants free and open market
>wants to export to every fucking EU country without tariffes
>doesnt want to help the countries he ruined with his forced EMU
fuck you Hans, I am actually happy you are getting flooded with migrants.
>>71546388
That is true. Germany tried to retake the land it lost at the end of WWI. the British and French allowed you to have the Sudetenland, but got mad when you tried to take back the territory that was given to Poland. They didn't give a shit that the USSR invaded the other half of Poland, though.
So then there was no reason not to just invade everyone, although you could have waited a little longer before starting on the USSR.
>>71544020
>autism speaks
>>71549852
It doesn't work when your entire infrastructure and economy lies in shambles.
The way it should have been done is to force painful but necessary cuts on the populace while using the billions in "aid" on infrastructure improvement and investment programs instead of paying off the banks.
>>71549537
>6 years
>2016 - 6 = 2010
>first bailout in 2010
>austerity & German led policy begins in 2010
You are a retarded kraut, probably Turkish on second thought.
>>71549982
Many thanks
>>71546101
Bullshit.
France and the rest of the cucks in Europe are to blame for it.
>>71544020
In short, you're fucking asshats that are destroying Europe for a third time. Your reunification was a mistake.
>>71549852
>And it is actually their choice.
Also, yeah, this too. That goes for EVERY country trying to shift blame on the others though, Germany included.
You could just go "welp, fuck this shit, I'm out", but no one has the balls to do that so instead they rather remain in this retarded union and continue to bitch about everyone else.
Kinda ironic that the union that was supposed to create a peaceful Europe might be the one that is triggering the next wars.
>>71550188
>Your reunification was a mistake.
You won't find a single West German who'd disagree with you :^)
>>71550186
>America
>Muh german heritage
>Fuck england they were kangz oppressin us
>Fuck russia they were gommies
>>71548232
But there needs to be nobody pointing and Germans getting beat up too but with a smile
>>71550047
>The way it should have been done is to force painful but necessary cuts on the populace while using the billions in "aid" on infrastructure improvement and investment programs instead of paying off the banks.
1. the Greek government could do exactly that, if they wanted to. they do not want to.
2. in total Greece would still have to stop overspending - it has been 6 years and they still overspend, have no functioning tax collection system, pretty much nothing has been privatized, they still got a large military than Germany, corruption everywhere, the mindset of a nignog country etc. etc.
Greece is in the shithole it is in because of its government and mentality. We are right to tell them to actually stop overspending. In Germany we have a higher tax burden than Greece has.
>>71550188
>Your reunification was a mistake.
100% agree.
We fucking paid nearly 2 trillion in our good German money to those East German welfare queens. Whoever thought reunification was a good idea, must have been drunk.
>>71550188
>Your reunification was a mistake.
You aren't telling us anything new. The reunification was always a retarded idea.
>yeah, lets force one country that has lived under communism for decades and one that enjoyed capitalism into a single one
>surely the fact that one lies essentially in ruins while the other is prosperous won't be any problem :DD
There was a reason they didn't ask the German people if they even wanted a reunification.
>>71549445
Russian bro, please give us someone like putin.
Have a nice day.
>>71550345
1. wrong, Germany forced their hand
2. wrong, kinda hard to push through reforms when you have no revenue and all the "aid" you're given is going to the banks
Greece is in this horrible situation because their governments have been nothing but corrupt, and because the EU amplified the situation and made everything worse.
>>71550434
>Germans are so psychotic they can't even go 10 minutes without wanting to genocide other germans
>The one time they didn't caused world war 2
>Somehow these people were put in charge of the European Union
>>71549142
Next time use GDP per capita. This showes larges economies, not the best. Kuwait is actually more productive than germany, morocco, angola and iraq, not so much.
>>71546278
lol as if Straya doesn't do the exact same thing with its neighbours
>>71550574
>1. wrong, Germany forced their hand
wrong, the agreement just says that Greece needs to get to 3.5% primary surplus (which still is a small budget deficit). If they cut more and investment money elsewhere to get to 3.5%, that is their business.
>>71550574
>2. wrong, kinda hard to push through reforms when you have no revenue and all the "aid" you're given is going to the banks
Stop with this leftist bank meme. The "banks" have gone long ago in 2010 and 2011. Since then 80% of their debt is to EU states, the IMF and the ESM/EFSF. There are some hedge funds and their own Greek banks still in the mix, but German or French banks have long stopped holding any Greek debt. So stop this meme.
>>71550643
>having huge petroleum resources
>not being completely poor
good job kuwait
>>71550291
>Assumes I have German heritage because I speak the truth
Yep, a fucking leaf.
>>71549646
>We should be fucking thankful that we had no Grexit.
If "We" means "Germany", then yes. Imagine if they actually went bankrupt, all those denbts German bankers would never see a single penny of! It's much better to have the Greeks slave their way into poverty to pay off their slavedrivers.
>They would have starved in the streets and depended on constant aid from the other countries
...unlike now? Face it, Greece is at rock bottom. Defaulting on their debts would've been their best option.
>The UK on the other hand should be capable of taking the inevitable hit they will take short term without too many problems.
Inevitable "hit"? Are you paying attention? Not being in the eurozone is precisely why their economy surpassed that of France, a country that should on paper be performing better and did so for many decades until the Eurocrisis.
I think crises are good opportunities: you don't discover who your true friends are until you're down on your luck, and you don't know what economical structures and partnerships work until you hit a financial crisis. The EU is the ultimate fairweather friend.
>>71550932
well what else did France and Belgium do, the raided the Rhineland and took some materials to make up for the reparations they did not have, Germany fixed that problem by making the people in the Rhine go on strike, that's not what caused WW2, it's not even a major factor to why German quality of life went down, that was caused by the hyperinflation, but that was later fixed, and Hitler already got rid of all the demands of the treaty of Versailles, so I'm yet to see a clear reason why France and Belgium caused WW2
>>71551418
The treaty sparked the pendulum swing into that mentality.
Hitler was the cause of everything yes, but the treaty was the catalyst.
>>71551248
>If "We" means "Germany", then yes.
No, with "we" I mean everyone who wants to see the EU gone. As if I give a single shit if some retarded German bankster lost his shekels.
>Inevitable "hit"? Are you paying attention?
Yes, which is why I am aware of the fact that they would have to renegotiate a lot of deals. That would lead to a small hit in the short run, even if they obviously profit heavily in the long run.
My main point was that the first EU exit needs to be one that goes over smoothly, because otherwise everyone else will be too afraid to leave, too. Greece was in no position to leave "smoothly". They might be in the same shit position right now too, but that position cannot be blamed on them leaving the EU.
>>71548508
>German "humor"
>>71551939
>Obligatory German humor "joke"
>>71546647
Fellow Canadian Brother, you are pretty based.
>>71551665
Oh, in that case it makes sense and you have a point.
>>71551625
>The treaty sparked the pendulum swing into that mentality.
The treaty was fucking flaccid. What caused the attitude, ironically, was German propaganda. It was so effective, and the German people so honestly believed they were winning the war, that Germany's apparant out of nowhere defeat gave rise to the "stab in the back" legend. Of course the idea that France was unfair and evil combined with a healthy dose of Erbstfeindschaft only threw fuel on the fire.
Ferdinand Foch was right about everything: not only should the Entente have refused peace until they had invaded Berlin and shown once and for all that Germany was defeated, but Germany should not have existed afterwards. That's the only Versailles Treaty that could've worked. When Foch saw the treaty as it ended up being signed, he famously said "This isn't a peace, this is an armistice for 20 years". His prediction was off by 70 days.
>>71551625
the Treaty got Hitler support, the demands were paid off by von Hindenburg and Friedrich Ebert, then Hitler got rid of the wrest of the demands, so Germany was a free country and could do what ever the fuck it wanted, so why spoil that by invading, I'm still yet to see how this was the allies fault
>>71552048
Wouldn't be made if the Germans didn't do their damndest to destroy humor on a daily basis
>>71552338
>begging the question
>>71544020
you are the shittiest nation in europe because you are really horrible people
>>71552338
You've seen the Southpark episode on German humor? It was so damn funny
>>71552190
no, we (as in contemporary Germans) paid off the WW1 debts
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1315869/Germany-end-World-War-One-reparations-92-years-59m-final-payment.html
>>71552821
well von Hindenburg and Friedrich Ebert defiantly slowed the pace that Germany had to pay the reparations, and Ebert began taking loans out from America to pay it off, which worked until the wall street crash
>>71552821
>no, we (as in contemporary Germans) paid off the WW1 debts
It took you so long because Hitler eventually stopped paying, and France did not have the guts to militarily enforce payments. Yeah, that's how cruel the Versailles Treaty was: the French did not enforce repairs for their DESTROYED SOIL (some of it still uninhabitable to this very day!) for the sake of preserving peace.
>>71552512
>>>71544020 (OP)
>you are the shittiest nation in europe because you are really horrible people
Yes, and we still have more jobs than you fucks.
We go to your country to get some sun and to know how shitty other Europeans live. Then we go home, drink our beer and go to work.
>>71553800
you are still poorer than us
lol
>>71554374
>you are still poorer than us
>lol
What?
>>71553800
>Long und efficient day of work at ze office is over
>I receive mein paycheck
>More than half of it is taken by ze government for ze refugees but it's okay because we are apologizing for Hitler
>See two Arabisch manner on my way home (I walk because a driver's license is 3000$ in deutschland)
>WILKOMMEN TO DEUTSCHLAND I SHOUT
>They just glare at me so I continue walking, perhaps I said something racist
>I get arrive at my home
>My only daughter (I practice a sensible german birthrate) Hilda is crying
>She informs me she has been raped by an Arabisch man
>I politely inform her that she must have done something racist to upset him or disrespected his culture with her clothing choice
>She still seems upset for some reason so I tell her that I will take her on a tropical vacation to griechenland
>Go to griechanland
>My wife wanders off with some greek man
>Me and Hilda dig holes in the sand
>I have to pee so I sit down.
>>71553392
Hindenburg and Ebert were presidents, not heads of governments.
The Dawes and Young plans indeed helped Germany's economy a lot
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Plan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Plan
>>71553489
I didn't claim the Versailles Treaty was harsh, the payments already had stopped in 1932 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lausanne_Conference_of_1932
Hitler refused to redeem bonds.
>>71554726
>gdp/capita
Look for net household wealth, wagecuck.
http://www.dw.com/en/are-germans-poorer-than-italians-spaniards/a-16695404
we will NEVER pay back denbts. EU will spend them on ayyrabs
>>71554855
Are you Gschermann after all? How do you know all ze insighdts about Germoney?
>>71548147
>Germany is running the EU
Then why did we have to pay Greece and you're not listening to us at all?
You're just victim blaming again. And it's not like everyone else hasn't the same problems.
>>71550188
>Apparently destroyed Europe two times
>Europe still exists
Wew lad.
In fact, it's the other way around. YOU tried to destroy us two times and by planting a CIA backed Merkel Jew into the government, you're about to try for a third time.
>>71555339
>Then why did we have to pay Greece
how is that a contradiction?
>and you're not listening to us at all?
but they do listen and make intense pro-EU propaganda. The EU army is about to form http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/04/20/german-and-dutch-military-forces-merge-bringing-eu-army-a-step-closer/
>You're just victim blaming again. And it's not like everyone else hasn't the same problems.
so do you think Germany is the victim?
>>71555026
Ebert and Hidenburg were the chancellors of Germany before Hitler, I pretty sure that's the highest level you can reach in government during the time
>>71550532
Putin cucks out to Chechens, oligarchs, Jews and Central Asian. Our country is dirt pore and 25% non-European
I don't give a fuck about the other countries, why would I? Just close the borders and let the muzzies rot in austria
>>71555066
This. Want clay? Come and get it.
>>71548409
East germans are the only ones voting AFD
West cucks are voting Der Grünen
FUCK YOU
>>71555744
>how is that a contradiction?
We didn't want to pay Greece. But we had to. So we are ruled and not ruling. Come on, boy, this stuff was only recent.
>but they do listen and make intense pro-EU propaganda
Oh yeah, that's why only Germany is taking refugees. Fucking idiot. The new army will be under muslim lead and not under German lead, by the way.
>so do you think Germany is the victim?
Always was and still is. You foreigners are incompenet, jealous and stupid. Hitler and Wilhelm were wrong - you don't deserve our friendship at all and we should have destroyed you when we had the chance.
And since we didn't, we're in this shit right now. We didn't even want to join the Euro or the EU, but you blackmailed us. We didn't want to destroy Europe, but you're working hard to make it look like we are the culprits (or rather, Merkel, who somehow seems to be the personified German to you idiots, even though she's an US-born Polish jew).
There's no use talking to you, though.
>>71555744
they listen to brussels and EU kikes that want to spread their disease as wide as possible. This is not unexpected, most established politicians fall for them
>>71555960
Be careful what you wish for and better pray you manage to kill us off this time. If you don't, you'll be in trouble.
>tfw Germans have been destroying Europe for literally thousands of years
>autists defend them at every turn
>>71544020
>implying we are going down with your ship
Suck it, we've as good as bailed
>>71555810
no, they weren't, they were presidents just like I wrote. the chancellors were Gustav Bauer, Hermann Müller, Konstantin Fehrenbach, Joseph Wirth etc. There were many as cabinets changed often
>>71555960
>>71556140
germany just got CURS'D by mediterranean denbt-gods
http://www.ranker.com/crowdranked-list/people-we-wish-were-still-alive?page=3
Upvote Adolf hitler in honor of his birthday.
>>71556205
>defend against Rome
>defend against Freemasons
>defend against Communism
>be the villain every time
You'll get your due. Every one of you.
>>71556140
If you're the Volksdeutsche talking I would welcome you with open arms if you invade this country.
If you're the caliphate you can bet your 72 virgins this time will be all or nothing.
>>71556478
I'm Volksdeutsch. And the recent debacles have showed me that you guys (all countries) either maniacally hate us (just wait for some mistake and the whole world again cojures up their old and loved stereotype about "the ugly German") or are completely idiotic (meaning you hear the words i'm saying but cannot understand them). So either you have to go or we do. You better hope we do.
>>71556241
Ebert was, I was mistaken about Hidenburg though, Stresemann was the guy I was think of, my bad
>>71556415
>destroy Rome
>invade countless European cultures
>divide the only thing keeping whites together, Catholicism
>ferment endless war for a thousand years in central Europe that weaken white countries everywhere
>let millions of nonEuros invade
Fuck off, name one single GOOD thing Germans have done for Europe.
>>71556061
>We didn't want to pay Greece. But we had to. So we are ruled and not ruling. Come on, boy, this stuff was only recent.
who is "we"? We the people indeed are screwed, but that's no legit reason to make excuses for the German elites which force us under their yoke. We are ruled because we are cattle, no one else to to be blamed for it.
>Oh yeah, that's why only Germany is taking refugees. Fucking idiot. The new army will be under muslim lead and not under German lead, by the way.
once again it is the German ruling caste which is guilty.
>Always was and still is. You foreigners are incompenet, jealous and stupid. Hitler and Wilhelm were wrong - you don't deserve our friendship at all and we should have destroyed you when we had the chance.
I have no idea why you adress me as foreigner, and Wilhelm II was an idiot who helped to start WW1, Hitler started WW2, widely not seen as an act of friendship.
>And since we didn't, we're in this shit right now. We didn't even want to join the Euro or the EU, but you blackmailed us. We didn't want to destroy Europe, but you're working hard to make it look like we are the culprits (or rather, Merkel, who somehow seems to be the personified German to you idiots, even though she's an US-born Polish jew).
you're a spineless whiner, instead of accepting its the German elites cucking us you make up fairytales about evil foreigners.
>>71556092
>they listen to brussels and EU kikes that want to spread their disease as wide as possible. This is not unexpected, most established politicians fall for them
and who is Brussels? It is an institution mainly set up by the German elites
>>71556842
indeed, Ebert was for a very short time after the republic had been declared, he became president then.
have you ever read about Brüning? this deflationary policy wrecking Germany during the economic crisis is what Germany imposes now upon Greece (and wonder why it doen't work).
>>71556745
I've never hated Germany. I always had it on a pedestal along with Denmark, Norway and Sweden.
You guys welcomed hungry spaniards and gave us jobs and most of us came back to Spain when things settled.
That's why it hurts to see all those shitskins tearing it appart with no gratitude or respect. They're doing it wherever they go but what hurts me the most is that it's the germans that let them in and they demonize their own people if they disagree with it.
There is no hate vs the Volksdeutsche here. It's only sadness.
>>71556873
germany is nothing special. Everyone waged war back then and was a bitter neighbour
>>71557474
I can't think of a single European culture who hurt Europe more than the Germans have. A case can be made for the English, but none other.
>>71544020
"Miss me yet?"
Germany tries to build euro empire using soft power because it is cucked out of having atomic bombs by the allied powers.
This backfires and germany ends up having to prop up half of it's EU empire.
It's plan to dominate the triumphant British and French and there glorious nuclear missiles unravels.
> Germany is victim.
Wut?
>>71557243
that's true, I think we the ordinary people of Europe are all in the same boat here
>>71557566
Oh wow an American has an opinion on european history and politics. How rare.
>>71557566
it's probably related to size and power, the big empires acted quite reckless in the past.
>>71545991
>Be Germany
>Be largely at fault for WW1
>Lose our military, our colonies, some minor areas where Germans are minorities, and have to pay minor reparations
>Better than the Ottoman Empire which collapsed, lost nearly all of its land and nearly resulted in the Turks being wiped out in Anatolia
>Better than the Austro-Hungarian Empire which collapsed
>Better than the Russian Empire which fought a bloody civil war, collapsed, and had its royal family executed
>Better than Belgium who gained nothing despite much of the war ruining their nation
>Better than France who lost over 8% of their male population
>Refuse to pay reparations
>France occupies part of Germany so we will pay our debts
>Chimp out
>Britain pressures France to pretty much give up on making us pay reparations
>Hitler rises to power
>Begins rebuilding military in blatant disregard for Versailles
>Britain allows this and even signs a naval treaty with us giving us express permission to rebuild our navy
>Demand the right to send troops into the Rhineland
>Britain once again pressures France to agree
>Carry out a coup in Austria
>Unstable Austria collapses, annex the country
>Britain lets it slide
>Demand that Britain and France force Czechslovakia to hand over the Sudetenland, claim you have no more imperialist ambitions
>JK we actually want to annex the rest of Czechslovakia
>By the way, Memel is rightfully a German city too, and if Lithuania doesn't hand it over we will invade
>Come one we just need the Danzig corridor, this is our last demand, promise, for real
Hitler wanted war, that was blatantly obvious, if he had been given his demands in Poland he simply would have made more demands, maybe demanded Alsace-Lorraine, maybe demanded west prussia, regardless Hitler repeatedly broke his promises and constantly illustrated that he had no regard for treaties made with the allies.
>>71557875
>that's true, I think we the ordinary people of Europe are all in the same boat here
the difference is Germans once again think they have been cheated by outside foces ane never ever would question their own elites. I hope you make the right decision in June, they really fear a Brexit overhere.
>>71557918
Nazis not a fan of the KKK?
>>71548727
Be glad we saved your ass otherwise you would be muslim nowadays.
>>71546647
You, sir, are a retard.
>>71549079
Well they had debt to pay off.
We saved them from complete collapse and basically turning into a 3rd world country. Of course the money isn't directly converted into helping the people. Fixing their government (which includes paying back your fucking money) is what helps the people in the long run.
And just nullifying their debt is totally unfair to any other state like spain, italy, ireland etc. who managed to rebuild themselves after the financial crisis through hard work and deep cuts.
Your logic is the same as people sending tons of food and medication to poor countries and then saying you helped, when they just need the same shit every year afterwards.
>>71548402
> meaning the euro is about 20% undervalued for the german economy. This means that a german worker gets 20% less than he actually works for (very simplisticly stated).
m8, this is a good thing thanks to Germany's export prowess. The devaluing is what allows Germany to rape the competition.
>>71549639
And your completely broken and corrupt government was innocent, got it
Germany gave a lot of assistance in helping Greece understand its problem.
Greece has the biggest black market in Europe, and the black market obviously doesn't pay tax. This means that Greece has the biggest hole in its Tax collection. Greece also has the largest percentage of people not declaring all their income for Tax.
Successive Greek governments failed to tackle this problem, and the German government with help from other European nations have told Greece what to do to solve it.
If Greece just does as its told it will be fine.
Junker or what ever the EU guys name is, has admitted that they aren't flexible enough, and this hopefully suggests a change in EU policy.
The EU just needs to be more flexible and react to public concerns more readily.
>>71558257
that's funny, it's almost the opposite here, the more elites that get involved (usually on the stay side) the more people want to leave
>>71544020
europe is starting to hate you...how the fuck did you lot end up in control when the eu was designed to STOP you from taking control of europe again?
BREXIT
>>71545991
>kaiser willhelm
>dramatic fuck tard
>instigated war more than once
>WW1
>Went through Belgium
>Treaty of London said Belgium was neutral
>Did it anyway
>treaty of versailles made because of damages caused to Belgium and because you kept butt fucking France
>Hitler hated them
>started ww2 because of it
Sure buddy
>>71559136
>that's funny, it's almost the opposite here, the more elites that get involved (usually on the stay side) the more people want to leave
I'll believe it when I see it.
>>71559208
no. that's not what EU was designed for. EU was designed to have an US strap Germany organizing and control Europe for the Western alliance.
>invite all of africa&mid-east to europe without consultation
>complain when the hordes all get sent on to germany
That's about it Fritz. Hopefully Airstrip 1 can escape this thing before it gets worse.
>>71547630
The post was flawless, but still...
>A
>FUCKING
>LEAF
>>71555061
this is exactly why common germans don't feel bad about "poor greeks". we are both being scammed.
>>71559464
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aC9SrFTR-8M
even people in Labour want to leave now, and labour is especially leftist, although Jeremy corbyn wants us to stay, but I think there is little chance of him gaining any power
>>71559208
>europe is starting to hate you...how the fuck did you lot end up in control when the eu was designed to STOP you from taking control of europe again?
>>71558128
> The eternal anglo strikes again
Achmed, just leave, nobody wants a bunch of nigger cock sucking inbred island spergs right out of "the hills have eyes", just go away.
>>71560328
that's a good argument
>>71544020
cba to read the thread, but it's pretty obvious actually if you have the most basic understanding of economics, hell some logic is enough. The fundamental problem is that we are exporting way too much respectively are not consuming/importing enough. And take even pride in it. If you export and don't import you necessarily have other nations that import and don't export, which means they accumulate debt. Germany keeps on exacerbating the situation every year. Our common currency prevents other EU nations from devaluing their currency and restoring their competitiveness, while Germany (as an entity, not the average people) hides it economic power and benefits from the big €.
The structural reforms forced on the South are obviously designed to punish the people, destroy the welfare state and level informal democratic structures. Economically they obviously won't work, just as they didn't work in Germany (at least if you compare what was promised with what was achieved, then it is a total failure. For example: total work hours didn't rise one bit due to Schröders structural reforms.)
t. proud German lineage into the 16th century.
>>71545485
>Greece was given hundreds of billions euros to pay its debts
No, they where given hundreds of billions of new debts to they could pay the interest on the old debt.
Greece should never have accepted the Euro. If they had kept their currency they could have devalued and stayed competitive that way. This was just a jew scam to get greece in to debt and get them to sell out state property.
>>71547030
You fucked over most of the eurozone as the euro is an artificially low currency in order to help your exports - but it also means other, less export based countries, just have to pay more for imports
>>71560155
back then the British left supported the EU as they thought it would balance Thather's policy, Jacques Delors had promised to support the unions. I wonder why there is one single leftist EU supporter left...
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2016/02/how-one-man-changed-how-british-politicians-felt-about-europe-forever
>>71560730
Jop, they should never have given them a single cent. Lazy dirty turkspawn. They are Osmanian Rapebabys, disgusting, barely better than full blown negros.
>>71544020
stupid picture.
Germany would be poking more holes in the boat.
>>71560730
>If they had kept their currency they could have devalued and stayed competitive that way.
Where is the stupid notion coming from that a country cannot be competitive unless it "devalues its currency"?
There are two ways to be more competitive - free market reforms including allowing wage cuts OR devaluing currencies.
The first (reforms + wage cuts) are long term strategies which create real competitiveness... while devaluing a currency are just a big de facto wage cut without any reforms and are not sustainable.
An East and West Germany is the best thing to ever happen to Europe.
Mr. Korbachev, bring back this wall.
>>71560730
>If they had kept their currency they could have devalued and stayed competitive that way.
Greece would've done the exact same thing--overspent until it all came crashing down anyway. Only difference is they wouldn't have a Euro to fall back on. On the other hand, whatever worthless currency they would have had could've been easily replaced...
>>71560974
don't confuse the post maastricht EU with the 1975 EEC
one led to the other, but they are by no means the same thing
>>71560974
Jeremy Corbyn is a EU supporter and he's in charge of Labour
>>71560906
>You fucked over most of the eurozone as the euro is an artificially low currency in order to help your exports - but it also means other, less export based countries, just have to pay more for imports
Where are these stupid notions of "uh uh, a single currency means other ***countries*** have to buy more goods" come from? Countries don't buy goods, people and companies do.
The world had competition for decades during the gold standard with fixed exchange rates. There is no fucking reason to need to constantly devalue currencies just because countries do not want to implement free market reforms in order to be more competitive.
>>71558518
>You, sir, are a retard
>sir
>You, sir retard, are a
>You, sir,
>sir
>Good day to you sir
>You sir are a gentleman and a scholar
>sir
>>71561255
I don't confuse anything, maybe you wish to read the article.
>>71561286
he is for EU after he was against it.
>>71561335
Simple question. Do you think that it is a problem, that Germany has an extremly low real exchange rate (due to extremly low wage increase verging on robbery of the German people) in a monetary union? Yes or no.
>>71550589
You realise that big enough genocides offer a pretty good solution to many of the worlds current problems.
In fact, tell me a single geopolitical issue that genocide isn't a solution for.
>>71562670
FOUND THE EDGE MASTER.
>>71562783
It's called realism Mehmet
>>71562670
you're right, when do we solve the german problem?
>>71562628
>Do you think that it is a problem, that Germany has an extremly low real exchange rate (due to extremly low wage increase verging on robbery of the German people) in a monetary union? Yes or no.
No, it is not a problem. The free market doesn't need shitty governments to interfere with wages. It should go out of the way of the free market.
>chain slow Greek economy to rapidly inflating German economy with euro
>force debt on them when they get dragged face first along the ground behind your economy
>get mad when the UK won't pay for it all
Fuck Germany.
>>71562783
Edgy or not, he's right.
>>71563123
pay attention, it is solving itself
>>71563252
there is no free market, there is always someone being in control of supply and demand. We only can talk about the degree of regulation which is imposed upon the markets. Subsidized exports and production quotas (Greece, Portugal) has wrecked their economies, that's why the have no reason to be grateful for some fresh loans.
>>71544020
Who gives a fuck about the other countrys? I only care about Germany, others can fuck themselves
>>71563373
the funny thing is here they are scaremongering like this: if GB leaves, we have to pay their share for the EU budget as well.
Those hating GB hope it leaves and see their economy weaken, only a tiny minority wishes you well, a Brexit and overall improvement.
>>71549537
That's because when greece couldn't go into deficit further (2005ish) according to EU agreements, goldman sachs came along and bought the greek financial income of their roads (petrol station rent etc) for 10 years, because selling future income technically isn't a loan.
>>71564205
sure, let's ignore all the interactions and the fact one can't act on his own anymore - let's face it, Germans are worms which always will squirm in front of their masters and put all blame on those evil non-domestic forces...
>>71563040
>Mom
>*glances at katana*
>You know I could just kill you and all our problems would be gone
>>71563252
I guess that is all needed to know. Keep jerking off to Hayek. Luckily you people are easy to be dealt with.
>>71563520
No, he's not. Since racism is a necessary (necessary in that, it is legitimate in that it protects something real, i.e. genetic/cultural lineage) means of competition, but if you destroy all other ethnicities some form of in-group racism will bubble up. So you really don't solve anything.
>>71564205
why the fuck are you in the eu then
>>71545182
IF THEY LET GREECE FUCKING DEFAULT
THIS WOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE
BUT NO
>>71545284
pay debnts
>>71564886
>why the fuck are you in the eu then
we can't vote on it. Just make sure you get your Brexit, which is less than certain. If not I wish you the full scale of humiliation, EU army, € currency and the end of all UK rebates.
>>71564687
destroy all other races, make strong emphasis that we are all one race, overpopulate the world, this will create a need to advance, Humans will be physically forced to colonize space, there issue sorted
>>71564687
Overpopulation, hunger, worldwide energy needs.
There are many problems which could be solved, or at least reduced by there simply being fewer people. You don't have to be an edgelord to realize this.
Also the racial motivation is all yours I didn't bring that into it.
>in b4 why genocide then?
To eliminate the possibility for retaliation.
>>71565183
>If not I wish you the full scale of humiliation, EU army, € currency and the end of all UK rebates.
In 2025, most EU states will have the Euro as the currency, the UK rebate is already being phased out and the EU army already exists (EU battlegroups) and post June 23 will be built up massively.
>>71560155
Corbyn actually wants to leave, but changed his tone to appease the Blairites in his party.
And some people call this mate of Gerry Adams a man of principle? Its laughable.
>>71565478
I'm not an utopian. I also don't think that we should destroy the asian civilizations (not that we could). And africa, middle east and south america should be kept around as outlets or crumple zones of internal aggression arising in a healthy white western society.
>>71565534
You could solve these by killling any amount of random people, wouldn't need genocide for that (for energy you'd probably have to shoot Americans). And dude, genocide is a form of racism??? You already frame the problem in narrow i.e. racial way (genocide). If you'd be interested in it for academic reasons you'd phrase it much more technocratic.
I
>>71567094
Genocide is simply more convenient than random mass killings, that's all.( people are roughly in the same area etc.) Any mass killings would suffice as you say.
If the elimination of something is automatically regarding that thing as inferior I don't know. Probably something that would be interesting to dissect.
Believe it or not, I am mostly being depressed and indulging in some nihilistic tendencies, not trying to be edgy, sorry if that didn't translate well into text.
Who would've thought the 4th Reich would've been a bunch of fat, balding bureaucrats wanking each other off in Brussels
Couldn't we have got some cool uniforms or something? Anything's better than a faggy star flag and Ode to Joy
>>71567094
>>71567961
I hope you are shills
>>71567961
Why do Germans love to destroy so much? If they aren't destroying Rome or European empires and prosperity with pointless wars they're destroying themselves. Is torturing small animals as children common for Germans?
