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Political affiliations aside, is she really as bad as people make her out to be?
All I hear from older people is: "I like your patriotism, but you weren't there. All you know is what you are told. She was much worse than the history books sing about her".
How is this true?
Well that probably depends a lot of your position back then. I can imagine the bitterness if you were part of the working class. You can tell from Britain's alcohol problem what it caused.
>>71525945
I hate this cunt for her cover-ups of mass rapings/molestations of children by British elitists.
I liked her political philosophy, but she did not apply it while serving the public to protect the innocent and defenseless. She showed herself to only care about her power, rather than her dutiful, public service.
>>71526222
>>71526034
I was hoping to get opinions from people who actually know about this sort of thing.
The American most certainly knows nothing. The Fin however might know a little if grandma and grandpa shared their views with him.
>>71525945
If it costs more to pay workers to dig up coal than it sells for, then that business has to close. End of. She shut less mines than the previous labour administration anyway, she just didn't take any shit from them whilst doing it, or give them massive redundancy payments.
All income groups were better off, adjusting for inflation, in 1990 than in 1979. This country was wrecked by the end of the 70's, but because of m-muh coal bennies and m-muh poll tax (which was a great idea), her memory is ruined.
>>71526325
Our prime minister is currently a lot like Thatcher and everyone hates him. Except he's even worse because he wants refugees too.
>>71525945
Great PM
only middle class lefties who hear how evil she is from leftist lectures and coal mine workers who expect the British taxpayer to subsidies them hate her
>>71526552
There was nothing wrong with importing our own coal. I'm not sure why the British people were so in fear of it.
Production is not a highly developed nations best interest, unless it's steel in which case pour billions worth of subsidies into it.
>>71525945
I will forever be grateful that she didn't grant political prisoner status to that pensioner-beating cunt Bobby "buried in a pencil case" Sands. Hope that sickly prick is rotting in hell, alongside his other wife-beating mates
>>71525945
She was far too neoliberal, completely alienated millions of people.
>>71526974
It made a great film adaptation.
>>71525945
she fucked up by selling off the council houses to council house scum.
these cunts got cheap houses becasue they never worked hard enough. These houses are now worth more than they woudl have ever made working.
SO whats the point of working?
Government didn't replace those houses, so now the other fucking scumbag council house cunts are in rented property putting up house prices for everyone.
>>71525945
It's great to be able to burn Thatcher effigies on a full stomach in the comfort of your own Northern yard, moaning about how hard life is since Thatcherism and total economic reform from the point of collapse, while angsty students and other cloud-dwellers sit equally satiated and idly by applauding your struggle.
>>71527130
A film made to appease to retarded Americans who know nothing about Ireland as well as guilt-ridden naive Brits who value "art" over truth. Pretty odd how the film left out the fact Bobby pistol whipped a 70 year old man until he nearly died, huh?
But what would one expect from Steve McQueen?
My mom grew up in northern england. Her hometown was a coal producer. They got completely btfo'd and now all of my cousins and aunts and uncles are welfare queens when there used to be good stable jobs. She destroyed people's livelihood, with nothing to replace it. Its why my mom left england, the north became this depressing wasteland with no jobs or opportunities
However, my mom still says Thatcher was a great leader. She said people in the north didnt agree with her, but they all voted for her because she was a clear natural born leader.
>>71525945
Those older people really weren't all there either.
>>71527380
There's plenty of coal mining jobs in Australia (well not now since energy prices are so low). Maybe they should have found other opportunities instead of expecting the government to spoon-feed them everything?
>>71525945
She was enough for my northerner parents to emigrate with their entire family to Australia.
To paraphrase 'she's a right hag of a cunt'
>>71525945
yes
her funeral
>>71527645
Terrible. Her resolution to the Falklands Crisis was admirable. What an embarrassment, goes to show how pitiful the general British populace is.
>>71527380
Don't blame Thatcher for the coal mess, the unions had a stranglehold over the country and the coal mines couldn't keep up with Germany whose coal is practically on the surface.
It was going to blow up anyway, all the unions wanted to do was to rally support from the people who knew they were fucked so they could leverage power from the government.
She was basically a face that miners could shout at while other people made their power plays.
>>71527724
only people that like her are the people that made money and the stupid that don't know anything about her
she's like reagan in the us
>>71527864
>Says the Canadian
>>71528132
>>71528158
It's been well established for decades now that the average British voter is the least intelligent of all the developed nations.
Not sure what you're trying to prove with this.
>>71525945
bad if you were a prole
great if you weren't
Literally the best person of all time
She was a good economical leader, but she also destroyed the conservative party by rooting them purely in economical ideals.
She pretty much is responsible for the modern globalist conservative that's in all the ways that matter the same as Labour and the other leftist parties.
When you bear that in mind it's no wonder that she betrayed traditionalist High Tories like Enoch Powell and his concepts of nationhood and aristocratic Noblesse Oblige.
>>71525945
She closed coal mines man
>>71528317
Fuck you shill, how is it that idiots celebrating Thatcher dying any different to idiots tweeting they want Trump Assassinated.
Divisive politicians create strong opinions all the time, it is not unique to Britain.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJh0m0E7Ozg
>>71528461
Theres an easy >flag, hurr durr FALKLANDS joke here.
instead see>>71527841
>>71528450
Didn't she betray Enoch because he told English voters to vote Labour around the time he was an ulster unionist?
>>71526325
Eat shit, wooden teeth. I have knowledge of knowing you pasty-white, baby touching bastards have been a cancer on the world.
Thatcher in the end, was tainted and NEVER to be held in high regard.
>>71528674
That was afterwards. Or during, depending on how you look at it.
She wanted Powell out (remember she sided with him during the Rivers of Blood period) because she feared he would interfere with her image as a party leader. Then when she took control she kicked him out, despite earlier siding with him.
>women
>honour
Pick one.
>>71528559
Celebrating the death of a politician is just fucking embarrassing and illuminates the tensile weakness throughout Britain.
>>71525945
She saved your wretched Island from the downward spiral it was in .
Socialist faggots cried and cried because people became less dependent on government hand outs sadly that didn't last.
Jesus Christ Justin. Shut the fuck up
>>71525945
big big fan.
I'm at work atm so can't elaborate.
she is basically reagan's equivalent in the usa.
>>71527864
>She is like Reagan
>That's bad
Stay low energy M8.
>>71525945
She put profit over protectionism, it's personal opinion in which you feel is more important.
>>71529125
Such a based flag
>>71525945
Yeah she was fucking awful if you lived North of Watford.
When she came into Power the UK was in heaps of debt and had to be bailed out by the IMF; our staple industries were failing and our economy grappled between the fighting of Unions versus the Owners.
Overnight she single handedly destroyed and entire industry putting hundreds of thousands out of work with the knock on effect and pushing them onto the dole.
With it she destroyed entire communities and sold off the entire assests the British people earned through their struggle in the first world war.
She created the British lumpenproletariat.
What she did needed o be done but she did it in such a vicious and cruel a manner we had no time to adapt; she swept away old England with a brush.
>>71528843
Yeah, my opinion on her fluctuates on each topic.
My biggest gripe with her was her eagerness towards the Anglo-Irish Agreement, which Enoch himself described as "treachery".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g62fJPEa804
>>71529377
Enoch Powell was politically retarded though. He described himself as a Tory from birth which is just frankly ridiculous, you can't trust a politician who has that sort of mindset.
>>71528874
Precisely my point, you said
>t's been well established for decades now that the average British voter is the least intelligent of all the developed nations.
Thatcher haters are somehow the average voter and american liberals somehow don't exist.
Fuck off
>>71529348
Thanks, Ameribro.
>>71529360
>through their struggle in the first world war.
Both world wars rather.
>>71525945
Britain was resigned to managed decline before she came into power. During her tenure, British power returned economically at home and diplomatically abroad. Since she left power, Britain has returned to managed decline.
Decline is a choice. She refused to accept it.
>>71529475
>Thatcher haters are somehow the average voter
Just look at the hate Thatcher is getting in this thread. Isn't that enough proof?
>>71529360
You realise that if the Labour govt before her had actually grown a pair and handled the situation, isntead of leaving it to her, that it wouldn't have been anywhere near as extreme as it was.
She was given shitty cards and she had to play them.
>>71529563
The only "hate" she is getting in this thread is fairly legitimate critical analysis.
>>71529377
The Anglo-Irish agreement set up the framework for peace in Northern Ireland though and she wouldn't compromise so I can give her that.
At the end of the day we have had the Paddies by the balls since 1921; the Southern Government has always backed us against paramilitaries because we control their trade.
>>71529563
I can tell you right now that the majority of opinions in this thread should be disregarded.
Unless you lived through her rule in this country you don't have a valid opinion.
>>71529563
>Just look at the hate Thatcher is getting in this thread. Isn't that enough proof?
You're implying it isn't justified and is idealistic.
>>71529677
t. biased grandad
>>71529648
By allowing devolution, both the Irish and British government basically said to republicans "here is Northern Ireland, and if you keep fighting, you might just win it!"
Which of course led to a decade of economic and civilian casualties, which then led to the British government conditionally surrending NI to the republic and singlehandedly betraying some of the most loyal people in the UK.
>>71525945
She was actually one of the best PMs in the world. I know Brits hate her, but she done things that needed to be done.
>>71529873
t. media shill
Anyone who tells the people who just exploded a bomb in their hotel to go fuck themselves is okay by me.
>>71529577
Not at all; even from the 1980's the mines could have generated a profit if reformed; likewise she lied to the publics face saying we will all be part of the "Great British shareholding democracy"
EDF is owned by French electricity
Scottish Power is owned by Spain's Ibadola
N power is owned by German RWE
Anglia water is Canadian
Thames water is German
Orange mobile - France and German
O2 - Spain
Arriva buses - Deutscher Bann
Gatwick- South Korea
Cadburies - US
M6 Toll - Australias MacQuarry Bank.
She stripped the lot and sold it all off.
>>71529896
You either love or hate her, don't believe the lies that say all of Britain hates her because anyone with half a brain admires her for making the hard decisions.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=px_k5E0klws
>>71530011
>The mines could have generated a profit
I contest this and even if they could it would have been negligible.
>>71529890
Northern Irish devolution existed before reintroduction of direct rule in 1972; the restablishment of the devolved powers has brought stability to the North.
Since then sectarian9ism has dropped and support for the Union has skyrocketed even amoung Catholics; because what started it all in the first place was the lack of representation for the Taigs.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-21345997
>>71529896
>She was actually one of the best PMs in the world. I know Brits hate her, but she done things that needed to be done.
She ran to Lech Wałęsa crying Solidarity; while closing down ship yards all over the British isles.
>>71530100
Even so; there was no transition; no gradual closing to allow adaption like the decline of the Staple industries under Baldwin.
It weas straight out barring the doors and leaving thousands with nought but a penny.
She created the dependancy on the dole and destroyed the British working class in a single swipe.
>>71530100
it wasn't negligible to ppl trying to make a living
crony capitalism is the new religion of the right
>>71530011
I'll give you that she brought in the legislation but to say that she sold those companies off is bullshit, where was labour in all the time between Thatcher stepping down and Cadburies being sold?
If labour didn't agree with Thatcher they would have done somethign about it.
Yet again Tories make the hard decisions and Lefties claim the glory.
>>71530042
>anyone with half a brain admires her for making the hard decisions.
T. soft lad from kent.
>>71530386
Family were miners, the industry was fucked long before Thatcher.
Take your shit elsewhere.
>>71529677
>What is an argument?
>What is objectivity?
>What is fact based reasoning?
You do realize, this is muh feels the post?
>>71530204
So ? Your economy went to shit and if it wasn't for her you would be a third world country right now. Also Don't even tell me about fucking Lech Walesa he was an agent of our military intelligence agency.
>>71530370
>Yet again Tories make the hard decisions and Lefties claim the glory.
It wasn't a descion she had to make though; it was a ruthless scratch at the British working class there was nothing in place to lesser the blow; she pushed us out of the aeroplane with no parachute.
Labour are as bad since Tony blair and were never eco nomically comptent to begin with; but the woman was a monster.
>unions about to cast the UK int chaos and oblivion with all the fucking strikes
>go to election on how she'll put the screws on the unions and their pet coal mines
>get elected
>tut the screws on the unions and fuck the mines
>everyone is surprised and the left acts like she personally raped each and every one of their dogs
Maggie did nothing wrong
>>71529125
holy crap is that the Crusaders flag? When did Georgia become so based?
It's always nice telling people how Labour closed more mines than she ever did, seriously people here in the north are completely retardedly stubborn to points of voting for Labour just because they aren't the Tories or Thatcher.
>>71530488
>Family were miners, the industry was fucked long before Thatcher.
>Take your shit elsewhere.
You're implying this even makes a difference to the fact the entire industry was destroyed overnight and thousands put on the dole.
Reform and transition were viable optio ns but she went in guns blazing. Fuck off down to Milton Keynes.
>>71527380
When the pits went, drugs moved in to take their place.
Can any leftie actually make a list of Maggies wrongdoings?
Huwting your pwetty feelings do not count.
>>71530150
I'm happy that Catholics have rapidly become more and more unionist, but the existence of former terrorists acting as political figureheads is a smack on the face to all that died at the hands of republicans in the troubles. The existence of bullshit, middle-class nationalist appeasement parties like Alliance is also another reason to dislike Stormont.
Funny enough though, I applaud the traditionalists in Stormont for allowing grammar schools to exist in NI.
>>71530554
>Your economy went to shit and if it wasn't for her you would be a third world country right now.
If your dog has a broken paw do you shoot it?
It would best describe Thatcher actually to say she teared it limb from limb.
>>71530773
Same thing in London for the most part. Even in more conservative areas you still have this opinion echoed through the water cooler conversations.
>>71530285
>No gradual closing
Blame Labour for that. They left the "miner question" for the Tories to deal with, allowing them to take the heat.
>>71530335
Thats their fault for clinging on so desperately to a dying industry. They had ample opportunity to see the way the mines were going.
>>71525945
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2308783/PETER-HITCHENS-Lets-remember-Maggie-really--tragic-failure.html
dem productivity gains
>>71530773
MacMillan closed the most from 1957-1963 at a total of 246.
The issue with Thatcher however was the brutal assest stripping and pure cruelty of it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKx3MUqzCcQ
>>71525945
>Fucked over us poortherners
>Falklands war proved our military strength, but it was a war we couldn't afford
>Destroyed all industry in the country, because of this the working class hate Tories even more and love Labour
My parents who lived through the worst of her in the 80s compare her to Hitler, but seriously I think she wasn't as bad as that.
Yeah she was good for white-collar middle class, but fucked over manual labour workers.
I try not to hate her too much because most people that hate her are hardcore labour leftists
>>71530909
Your dog had gangrene.
>>71530654
>be Margaret Thatcher
>Go to hell
>out con Satan
>privatize hell
You do realize this macro makes Thatcher look like a badass.
>>71530743
The flag has a long history and was used during the reign of king David the Builder, however it was brought back by Saakashvili who made it our new official flag in 2006.
>>71530773
Closing mines is good for climate now, goyim
>>71530803
They were already on the fucking dole. Coal comapanies weren't profitable in years and had to be heavily subsidized.
>>71531007
>Blame Labour for that. They left the "miner question" for the Tories to deal with, allowing them to take the heat.
235 Mines were closed under Wilson; they aimed to systematically strip the industry down and leave the communities with alternatives; Thatcher didn't; she sold the lot down the river.
>Thats their fault for clinging on so desperately to a dying industry. They had ample opportunity to see the way the mines were going.
Are you fucking retarded? you're talking about entire communities built on it left with no chance to find new jobs but shot straight down to the dole office.
>>71525945
She can go and fuck!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJh0m0E7Ozg
>>71531329
>Coal comapanies weren't profitable in years and had to be heavily subsidized.
They were nationalised; don't talk about things you don't understand burger.
>>71531439
Thats full blown communism
>>71531439
As with every industry that isn't profitable.
We're at the point now where there's a large voting generation who hate Thatcher, but have no real idea why they do except for the fact their parents or a family member have complained about her. I wonder how long this will last now that she's dead, will the "fuck the tories cause of Thatcher" mentality die off with younger voters?
>>71525945
I love Thatcher because she ripped the unions a new asshole, something our government hadn't had the balls to do in almost a century.
Also she knew how to deal with hunger striking Irish IRA scum, she let them die in their cells.
Cunt!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4BCUWopQQ4
>>71531548
>Thats full blown communism
No. Not unless you're a centrally planned economy with a useless as fuck bureacracy.
Nationalisation is a good way of controlling an industry that has been brought to it's knees by a market slum.
>>71529360
Well that is some lying revisionist history
>>71531439
>They were nationalised
... and they received massive subsidies from the government
>>71530011
>>71530335
As a geologist, and having studied Welsh coal extensively, I can confidently say that most of the Welsh coal mines were unprofitable and are still unprofitable. The only operational mines in Wales today are open pit because those are the only profitable kinds of mines that you can run, and it's been this way for a good few decades.
Even if they did stay open in the 70's/80's, the huge flood of coal from the Chinese markets would have happened eventually anyway and made things even worse.
Could it have been handled better for the communities involved? Yes, but as usual politics get involved and fucks eveything up
>She was much worse than the history books sing about her".
Liberals always cry like that when they don't agree with the official story. When they DO agree with the official story they throw around the term "right side of history."
Stop trying to have intellectual conversations with iPhone socialists. That's like administering medicine to the dead.
>>71531567
It was brought to it's knees by two world wars and was planned to be systemtically brought back and alternate work provivded.
>>71529563
>Just look at the hate Thatcher is getting in this thread. Isn't that enough proof?
A autistic leaf poster and you?
>>71531674
>Well that is some lying revisionist history
Yeah fuck off burger. funny how people who live through it disagree while you were 3500 miles away dribbling to the senile Reagan.
>>71525945
Fuck Tory bitch cow elitist snob working class hating vile harpy.
Fuck Tory scum DIE TORY DIE
>>71531683
>and they received massive subsidies from the government
That's not how nationalised industries work pal; they produced a slim profit for the government while others produced a slim loss; there were no subsidies it was managed by the National Coal board.
She did what was necessary. Subsidising industry which was not turning a profit and the Unions which demanded higher and higher wages and inflate their internal bureaucracy even more simply was no longer in the best interests of the state. I'm all for Unions and everything but in this case, Scargill and his cronies held the country hostage for the longest time especially leading up to her taking office (see Winter of Discontent). Maybe she did it too quick, but it was going to happen eventually.
>>71531809
>19 posts by this user
>pretending there are multiple voices
>>71531809
yup reagan is a fucking hero to the people who don't remember or weren't alive yet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6O3rKQfCF0
She crushed the British working class and it's never recovered.
If you look closely, with the benefit of hindsight, she's literally the definition of cuckservative. Profit before people and nation, we're bought and sold these days by all and sundry, our capital city is gone forever...
>>71531714
>Even if they did stay open in the 70's/80's, the huge flood of coal from the Chinese markets would have happened eventually anyway and made things even worse.
No one disputed this, the plan for coal published in 1972 aimed to roll back the mining industry and fund alternative work for the communities.
But it was scrapped along with most things in 1979; and the whole lot were shut overnight.
Can a britbomg redpill a burger about Thatcher? Also, apprently ghazghzkull mag uruk thraka from 40k is named after Margaret thatcher
>>71532017
>>71532058
Are you expecting a rational conversation? Because all you're going to get is that one kebab with the brown ID.
>>71531439
That makes it more justified somehow?
Sweden had loads of shipyards that turned unprofitable.
Instead of letting them die peacefully the unions bullied the government to invest a few dozen billions into nationalizing and subsidize the shipyards so they could continue to build useless boats no one wanted, all while the unions in those shipyards went on regular strikes.
Eventually after billions spent everyone grew tired of the entitled cunts in the shipyards and stopped giving them free money whereupon they collapsed and thousands went unemployed.
Same with your coal mines, the workers where entitled cunts demanding free money because they opposed effectivization of the mines or lower wages to keep them in the blacks.
Just like Sweden, to this day the UK have leftie faggots bawling their eyes out screaming how the mines/shipyards closing was literary worse than hitler.
>>71531966
Just to clarify, I don't like her for these reasons.
>>71532171
Indigenous Britain pal living in the North of England and know a hell of a lot about her legacy; lived through it; mother lived through her years and grandfather was treasurer in a local council during her premiership.
>>71532309
suuuuuure
>>71532209
>Just like Sweden, to this day the UK have leftie faggots bawling their eyes out screaming how the mines/shipyards closing was literary worse than hitler.
Yeah. No. There were plans for modernisation and cut backs which were accepted in 1972 and then were the scrapped and the entire industry destroyed. go back to Somalia svachmed.
>>71529577
Why is it that EVERYONE bad the Conservatives does is deflected with "b-but the previous labour government!"
They're even doing it now, this is despite having 6 years to do whatever the fuck they wanted to "fix" the situation.
>>71532377
>suuuuuure
Again; don't have shit to prove, I've had to deal with the legacy of the entire industry being service and a vast dependancy of the working class on the state.
Burgers will be burgers though. and try to tell someone else what went on in their lifetime.
>>71532462
That's because Labour have a constant pattern of getting into power off the back of Tory hate, fucking up the country, then leaving problems for the next Tory Govt to deal with instead of dealing with it themselves, and then the Tories get hated for needing to deal with Labour's problem, then the whole cycle repeats.
>>71532462
All British Politics has ever been about since Callaghan
>>71532404
Shall we share a cab and you can jump off in Pakistan?
>>71532309
So you admit that you're completely biased because of the unfortunate circumstances of living somewhere that refused to modernise?
Cheers lad, now nobody has to waste time engaging you. Anyone with an objective viewpoint of Thatcher accepts that what was done had to be done, and most of the "nasty" ways she handled it were simply because she was left no option by the outgoing Labour administration.
>>71532710
Would rather piss KR583,000,000,000 down the drain pal.
>>71532624
Hmmm, then why is the debt the largest it's ever been now the Conservatives are in?
What exactly have the Conservatives fixed since Brown left office? The housing situation is fucked, all the good teachers have fucked off, more and more people are on useless zero-hour contracts, food banks have come back in force and we're still being influxed with migrants. Where are the supposed fixes?
Maybe Thatcher did what had to be done, but that doesn't remove the fact that she fucked us to achieve it. Cameron now just wants to be Thatcher 2.0 and is failing miserably in doing it.
>>71525945
I'm 34 so don't remember but I do remember my conservative uncle who is now very wealthy kissing her book one Christmas at a family gathering.
The rest of my family afaik arnt any richer than middle class and can't stand her.
>>71532817
>583,000,000,000
Isn't that exactly what you are doing by providing benefits to millions upon millions shitskins from all your former colonies and gyppos from all over europe?
>>71532776
>So you admit that you're completely biased because of the unfortunate circumstances of living somewhere that refused to modernise?
No; anyone with a brain outside of Milton Keynes can see what she did was nothing but a cruel fucking destruction of the manufactoring industry and scrapped the previous cross party plans for slow dissolusion of mining and investment in further workplacements.
And instead the burnt the fucking thing to the ground with everyone still inside.
Anyone who can't see that is either a jumped up middle class teenager or Southern. What she did was ruthless and could have been done a thousand different ways.
>>71533007
>by providing benefits to millions upon millions shitskins from all your former colonies and gyppos from all over europe?
Have to be here for five years to claim benefits pal. Even then the current government has started removing dependancy on it.
>>71531963
>there were no subsidies it was managed by the National Coal board
The NCB itself was getting £500m+ a year, technically the money was 'borrowed' from the govt but it was never paid back.
>>71533075
And Sweden has all but closed its borders and the mainstream parties are already talking about how to cut benefits to immigrants.
Still, it's to late for you, second generation immigrants get full citizenship and all the benefits they want.
Immigrants is a metastasizing illness.
>>71526552
Reminder that a poll tax was recommended by Lord Rothschild, the primary mover behind implementing it.
Do you think Rothschild had the best interests of the people in mind when he was recommending it, or do you think he had his and the affluent's interests in mind?
>>71525945
she was fairly based except for her poll tax JUSTing
the extreme left and union activists hated her because she let failing industry die a natural death by closing unprofitable mines instead of putting them on endless life support funded by the taxpayer, she fucked up and closed too many though some were still profitable so there's some justified hate there
she got the fucking power back on and the garbage collected, before Maggie the UK was a fucking wasteland where you couldn't rely on having access to electricity all the time, because of strikes, or having your bins emptied, because of course fucking strikes, the "three day week" being a real thing that happened holy shit
the unionists hate her still because she destroyed their stranglehold on the country, so 90% of Maggie hate was/is MUH UNION
>BTFO the Argies so savagely they are STILL impotently mad even to this day
literally all that mattered though
>>71528317
Your voters come close, but the least intelligent average voter HAS to be a North American. Especially if you live in the United States, politics is treated like a reality show competition there.
>>71533179
>The NCB itself was getting £500m+ a year, technically the money was 'borrowed' from the govt but it was never paid back.
They stopped reciving government money in the early 60's and underwent a systematic reform of the mining industry.
https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documents/information-management/british-coal-corporation-appraisal-report.pdf
>>71533825
yeah but your PM is an actual fucking tool though, he's literally an extreme liberal Trump but probably dumber
>>71529125
>implying Reagan's literally retarded neoliberal policies haven't put us in the terrible grip of globalism today
>>71533611
>And Sweden has all but closed its borders and the mainstream parties are already talking about how to cut benefits to immigrants
bit fucking late though eh?
Bar the Yanks the conversation on this board has been pretty based.
>>71533854
If the mines where not getting gov money and was a self contained agency, how did Maggy kill it?
Ban coal mining?
>>71533802
>die a natural death
And provide no alternative whatsoever, therefore putting entire generations on the dole. Mines were an industry that needed to be put down, but Thatcher decided to forego lethal injection and go all Shovel Dog.gif on them.
>>71533983
True, I just like to pop the bubble of countries like Germany, France or the UK when they believe they'll survive while Sweden wont.
Pretty much all the west with the exception of like Finland will succumb.
>>71534044
It was a Public body under the control of the state.
She appointed Ian MacGregor to strip the thing down and then had it privatised.
>>71534215
might have been cheaper to entrench welfare dependency than pay for the mines though kek
>>71532105
minnesota needs to be nuked desu
>>71533922
Oh he's a complete retard, yeah. Goes to show you how powerful a political machine can be when it gets going. The Liberal elites literally just plucked this guy out of whatever irrelevant hole he was in and gave him the leadership because
1. He's an easily influenced idiot
2. He's good looking
3. He has the right family name
I want to hope that the people in real control of the government do fuck up too badly, but we'll see.
>>71534219
I mean at least your insane left wing government is realizing the mistake, United Caliphate and Germoney are just getting warmed up
>>71534314
>might have been cheaper to entrench welfare dependency than pay for the mines though kek
Basically yeah; she was more bothered about selling everything off before she was thrown out.
If it hadn't been for the falklands she'd have been stabbed in the back then not in the 1990's when the Conservatives threw he out like a dog in the night.
>>71534314
Cheaper in the short term, but in the long term it's just fucked us so much. We're a country running on the service sector, we likely won't even have any fucking steel to ourselves in a year or so time.
>>71534370
seriously, whose fucking idea was that shit? did they literally just go "oh 'Trudeau' thats brand recognition, get this simpleton up there!"
>>71532624
Hope you aren't pretending that labour caused the global financial crisis in 2007
>>71525945
No, leftards just hold grudges and don't have anything better to do in their day-to-day lives than to worry about the politics of three decades ago.
>>71532624
No answers to any of my arguments? Come on, I expected at least some canned "muh personal responsibility muh welfare scroungers with 100 children" response.
>>71534384
(Too) late shall the sinner awaken.
It's pretty fun to talk with leftist who are just now realizing that they set Sweden on fire and that they'll burn with the est of us when their masters abandon them.
>>71534482
Gerald Butts and Katie Telford are the 'power behind the throne' or at least were in the election, and remain Trudeau's chief advisors. It was a good idea because, like I said, North American voters are retards who cannot predict what the world will look like 2 weeks into the future, let alone 5 years.
>>71525945
one of our greatest allies :(
>>71533854
>They stopped reciving government money in the early 60's
Completely false
Like I said, the NCB was technically 'borrowing' the money from the government(and ran up a £5bn debt by 1984), but never needed to repay it.
>>71526570
(and he looks like a child predator)
She saved Britain from becoming Italy. Only cucks and northern welfare leeches deny her greatness
>>71534941
>Like I said, the NCB was technically 'borrowing' the money from the government(and ran up a £5bn debt by 1984), but never needed to repay it.
How about you read the citation and stop pulling statistics out of your arse.
Money stopped coming in with the increase of oil they stopped investing in expansion of the mining industry; hence the mass reforms under Baron Robens and the "Plan of coal" in 1974 to further reforms which she scrapped.
>>71532776
>So you admit that you're completely biased because of the unfortunate circumstances of living somewhere that refused to modernise?
So the fuck what if he is biased? Everyone comes into this thread with some biases. Either argue with him properly or shut the fuck up
Did not nothing about immigration, the rest is irrelevant.
>>71535794
Nicely said.
she was against south african apartheid wasnt she?
meh
>>71536261
“A considerable number of the ANC leaders are Communists… When the ANC says that they will target British companies, this shows what a typical terrorist organisation it is. I fought terrorism all my life… I will have nothing to do with any organisation that practises violence. I have never seen anyone from ANC or the PLO or the IRA and would not do so.” -1987 Press conference Vancouver.
Again give her dues where they're due.
>>71535239
>How about you read the citation and stop pulling statistics out of your arse.
Care to point out where in your source it actually says no government 'loans' were received by the NCB?
The Coal Industry Acts set how much the NCB could 'borrow' from the government, and the 1982 act says:
>for "£3,400 million " (the initial limit) substitute "£4,500 million" and for " £4,200 million " (the highest limit which may be set by order) substitute " £5,000 million "
>>71525945
I don't give a shit about what she did in north Ireland
I just don't get the whole mines strike and factories closing down. what were her motives?
>>71536630
So the UK could have given each worker like £50,000 to every worker to shut them up, tell the mines mines to go fuck themselves and still come out ahead?
>>71536630
Page 20 "from 1960 the weakened economic
position of the coal industry made the Board more vulnerable to political pressure. In the late sixties the
Ministry of Power developed the national fuel policy, which NCB had no influence over. From then on it is
evident that although the Government succeeded in keeping NCB subject to overriding energy policy, the
concentration of expertise on coal mining within the Board meant that operated and developed national
approach to coal mining without significant input from a sponsoring department. "
This is supported by Hill, Alan (2001), The South Yorkshire Coalfield A history and Development.
"As competition from oil increased, the government stopped subsidising the industry in the mid-1960s and pits closed as uneconomic"
I take your point about the borrowing but you haven't provided a citation for how much they borrowed nor paid back. Likewise borrowing isn't the same as subsidaries.
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>>71525945
BasedThatcher saved us from a war with Argentina, also i love her political philosophy
>>71539170
Good to hear old chap. Let's continue to find ways to piss off the Argies.
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