So /pol/ what if Islam never happened, Has this ever been discussed in here ?
How will it Affect The ME and North Africa?
>>71515811
WHO CARES ABOUT AFRICA LMAO
People from that region are low iq and prone to violence. Inbreeding made these traits even worse.
If not Islam, then something else.
They are a simple people who desire a simple answer. Then add the violence and stupidity and you've got your people.
You
Are
Fucked
>>71515811
If the Mudslimes had been stopped at Eygpt all of North Africa would have been part of Mediterranean civilization and participated in the Renaissance. Instead they're stuck inside the 12th century.
I cry about 1453 on a regular basis
>>71515811
People here have seriously delusional ideas of Islam and Africa.
Africans have among the highest employment rates in the world. The rate of participation in the workforce is something like 85% in countries like Eritrea & Ethiopia which is not Arabic but mostly Christian.
Middle East Arab countries have the lowest workforce participation in the world.
Also, the more Islamic an African country is, the lower the workforce participation rate.
>>71516004
Turks are most of the problem.
>>71515978
Nice meme, Bob.
Assyrians have always been more successful in a variety of fields in comparison to their Arab counterparts; the same holds true for other indigenous Christians of the region, such as the Maronites and Melkites.
If Islam never left Arabia, the Fertile Crescent could have been a bastion for Christianity in the East. I think we would see the rise of Assyria and Egypt again as Christian kingdoms or nations.
>Isaiah 19:24-25 — In that day Israel will be the third, along with Egypt and Assyria, a blessing on the earth. The Lord Almighty will bless them, saying, "Blessed be Egypt my people, Assyria my handiwork, and Israel my inheritance."
The Lord is with the Christians. Assyria and Egypt will rise again.
Zoroastrians, Hindus, and tengris to the east. Persia totally inbred possibly conquered by the byzantines. North africa and the levant would be the some of the most prosperous areas on the planet.
>>71515811
ME would be a paradise of hedonism and progressiveness. Maybe.
>>71516311
Spoken like a true Swede.
>>71516311
>Assyrians
Persia's bitch for thousands of years and now a bunch of communists. Really amazing people, Ashur.
>>71516478
Most people in the world have been conquered at one point or another; I really don't see what point you're trying to make.
As for the communist comment, I'd really like a source for that. Most of the Assyrians I know lean towards libertarian values, such as myself. I'm pretty sure it's the Kurds that are the communists in the region.
>>71516347
It was only the royalty that were inbreeding in Zoroastrian tradition. The religion had already gone into steep decline by the time of the islamic conquests, historians think persia may have converted to Christianity if not for the islamic conquests as it was spreading fast. I'm doubtful Byzantium was going to conquer persia, they couldn't muster enough to break through the zagros mountains, in fact almost became a client state of persia at one point. But Persia was very weakened after 400 years of conflict with Byzantium
>>71515811
The jews would have been in control a lot sooner
>>71516688
Nice dubs.
I think we'd have a much more beautiful Middle Eastern history had the Byzantines and Persians not fought each other. It's thanks to them that the Arabs had an upper-hand in completely conquering the region and spreading their disgusting political ideology.
The Assyrians were already spreading Christianity to the East, so I have no doubt in my mind that Persia would have been Christianised eventually.
>>71515978
>Inbreeding made these traits even worse.
The Christian church forbade inbreeding. It's one of the reasons modern Europe has the culture and politics it has today. So, arguably, Christianity would have been better for the ME and North Africa in the long run.
>>71516824
Doubtful. The Romans had already sieged Jerusalem, which created is when the major diaspora began. They would be under the dominion of Christian kingdoms that did not have a favourable outlook on the Jews.
>>71516959
which is when the major diaspora began*
Don't know what happened there, lol.
>>71516989
>>71516959
The Diaspora actually predated the sacking of Jerusalem and the destruction of the second temple. Jews survived the destruction of Roman occupied Judea because the Roman Empire had already allowed them to spread as a merchant class throughout the Empire.
>>71517402
I'm aware of that, which is why I said "when the MAJOR diaspora began".
Mediterranean coast was christian before islam. So Northern Africa and the Mediterranean coast of Middle East would be something like Spain, Italy, France and Greece.
>>71515811
to be fair, there was prosperity on that region when Christianity dominated in that region. Its just the Muslims who were pagans from different desert tribes from Arabia came and welp, we get what we got today. Some of Muslim practices like the Hajj worshipping was derived from pagan practice. Praying 5 times a day were derived from Catholic practice
>>71515811
>what if Islam never happened,
Roman Empire :
The Byzantine Empire restore the Roman Empire, and suppress the Bishop of Rome, so, no Catholicism.
The newly restored Roman Empire convert the northern europeans and sub-saharan african to Orthodox Christianity.
Under the Roman patronage, the technology progress by leaps and bounds.
Middle-East :
The semitic peoples of the Middle East free themselves from both Roman and Persian empires, and become a strong united nation under the patronage of the Monophysite and Nestorian bishops.
The Middle east become fertile again, with the huge agriculture.
Asia :
The Nestorianism continue to grow in the Persia empire, China, and India.
The Buddhist continue to growth in India, and Northern India become slowly buddhist.
A new Buddhist Empire(Ashoka tier) emerge from India.
The Altaic peoples keep their nomadic way of life, since there is no muslim conquest of central asia.
Under the Hindu patronage, the technology progress by leaps and bounds.
America :
The american continent isn't colonized, since there is no need to find new trade routes.
The Aztec Empire continue to growth until they unify the entire american continent.
Human sacrifice continue.
>>71515811
that graph over exaggerates the islamic world and minimizes the christian world
>>71518002
Accurate.
>>71518002
Byzantine wasnt separated from Roman leadership on that time yet, dipthong. There would be likely no schism if Islam didnt exist or if those degenerated pagans didnt destabilize west rome
The mongols fucked the relevant arab world so good that it allowed Europe to catch up and become the most sucessful civilization. Before being turned in backward retarded goat fuckers by the mongols arabs were pretty decent people. They waged war quite a lot but everyone did at the time.
You would have gay prides and swinger clubs in Saudi Arabia.
Africans would still be cannibalizing themselves, the croissant wouldn't exist, Gay marriage would be allowed in Egypt and Iran, Jews would control travestite Lebanon and Pakistanis would still have designated shitting streets.
>>71515811
>Albania
>Islamic
kill yourself reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
>>71515811
Well, North Africa and the Middle East would still be Christian (mostly Oriental Othodox) and the Mediterreanian world would have not been split in two.
The loss of those lands on the other side of the sea was the prime reason for the decline of trade and agriculture in the Early Middle Ages in Europe (Henri Pirenne wrote about this).
>>71519110
Mehmet pls
>>71519402
>bad apples
>>71516004
Are you me?
>>71516163
>Botswana
>70 percent Christian
>average GDP per capita about 17000
>no civil war, fairly stable
Anon is right. Islam is literally the problem.
>>71519298
Pirenne argued that the collapse of Roman civilisation wasnt brought about by the Germanic invasions of the 5th century but by the Islamic conquest in the 7th/8th century.
Interactions between North and South were suddenly interrupted, century old civilizational ties were violently undone and Islamic raids further devasted cities and countryside.
Pirenne thought that this shock send Christendom into a cultural and economic decline, lasting until the 12th century.
>>71515811
why are there long lines of jews everywhere
