>>71513804
define modern
>>71513804
It's all about mememememe
>>71513804
Women vote based on emotions and feels. They really shouldn't be allowed to vote, neither should niggers, hobos, neets, immigrants, etc. Democracy becomes a joke when you can divide people up and manipulate them with false information and feels.
>>71513842
Current year women, simply put.
Those that were raised in circumstances characteristic for the 2000s.
>>71513804
The gender war has already started and they are just playing for their own team
its all about winning or losing now
>>71513982
Women have won the gender war. Guys are expected to submit to women in western society. Men have to be chivalrous towards women yet also comply with feminism and be "real men".
Women have TOTALLY won. There is no doubt about it. The only people that stick up for guys are people like me, and then women and other guys give me shit for it.
It's not about winning or losing anymore, guys lost the gender war a long time ago.
>>71513804
>muh vagania
>>71514219
This is why we need to drop out and not marry or breed with them.
>>71513842
degenerate.
>>71514439
>>71513804
Because women secretly like to be raped, and want a big welfare state to take take of their poor life choices (obesity, have children out of wedlock, etc.)
>>71513804
Without liberalism:
One man many or may not (depending on what a woman gives him back in return) protect and provide for her.
With liberalism:
Many men ("government") protect her and provide for her with tax money no matter how she behaves and how much of a degenerate slut and shitcunt she is.
>>71514439
That's a theory, but then people like this >>71514484 will try to shame guys back into submission.
I hate the situation we're in, but western society is now set up to completely benefit women, and people are so brainwashed that they think "society" still oppresses women, so therefore we need to be harder on guys to make up for what women allegedly face.
I'm just being honest here - it's over. Guys lost, women won, that's the end of it.
>>71513804
modern men are sissies and modern people aren't taught about the negatives of liberalism
>>71514219
>t. cuck
Women are still insanely stupid and easily manipulated.
You can mind game a woman into falling head over heels for you. No PUA bullshit. You can genuinely get a woman to fall in love with you if you actually be a man.
>>71513804
Life is too easy.
It's literally that.
>>71513804
They're scared of public opinion. My gf, instead of bothering to argue against refugeeshits, just stopped watching the news because she'd get nightmares.
Yet she's still voting for the greenshit this weekend.
Women are memes.
>>71513804
Modern women? Try all women, ever.
Women aren't risk takers, they seek security over everything else, so they sit on the liberal and left side of the political spectrum.
There's almost no right wing women.
>>71515266
No thanks. There is too much weird angst against men in western society, hence why women are asking "WHERE ARE ALL THE REAL MEN???", because women and society drove the real men away. I'm not going to give a woman what they want, they don't deserve it.
You have no idea what I've had to go through. I am absolutely convinced that I am right. Times have changed. Men opt out because people don't treat them with respect and give them no incentive to be "real men".
Because the west (white men) gave them too much power and liberation.
/thread
>>71515401
Why bother with all the bullshit when the only reward is me feeling good about myself. Everyone else doesn't really value it.
Might as well be a self sufficient hedonist and feel good that way. And the self sufficient part pretty much only applies because I don't want to be a leech.
>>71513804
I can't believe she is 28 and is still a qt3.14. Most women are all shriveled up by then
>>71514219
We need a world war. That's the only thing that will set the gender roles straight again in the west.
Women get in line behind men when their security and well being is at risk. The problem today is western women are too comfy.
>>71515715
Nah, I think the issue is men following their dicks. Men think that agreeing with a woman is going to get them pussy.
>>71515715
Western men are too comfy too. If they were less comfy then the right wing parties would rise even faster.
>>71515715
I'm not fighting in any wars. Men for too long have been disposable and it was labeled as being "real men". I'm not doing it.
If women are so awesome, they can go fight and die if they want.
>>71513804
>modern
Top laff mohammed, they have all been liberal since the dawn of time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assemblywomen
>>71515951
Why fight for a country when the population ridicules you for being nationalistic
>>71515780
It's more complicated than that.
The system panders to women. The media and universities turn women against men.
>>71513804
liberalism is the epitome of having your cake and eating it too. women rarely have the foresight to see why attempting to have the best of both worlds will eventually fail and overall cause far more harm than good.
>>71513959
Doesnt that including all living women then. Unless you found women who exist outside of time
Your definition is shit. Try again.
>>71515297
but conservatives are the cowardly security-seekers ... "don't change nothin' daddy, leave everything just like it is!!!!"
>>71515077
I agree. The biological need for men to seek sex from women and the biological imperative for men to take the needs of women seriously, mixed with a female in group preference and a male out group preference, it all adds up to large scale female domination over men.
What kept it in balance was that women needed men as much as vice versa, but men created society and society takes care of women and children now so men are no longer needed.
Women have won, the only way to not go down in flames is to not play the game in the first place, which is partly why I'm a MGTOW. The only sensible thing to do is protect yourself, build a good life for yourself and watch the rest burn.
>>71514219
>Guys are expected to submit to women in western society
Not in Norway.
>>71515715
>their security and well being is at risk
haha - maybe that's why German women are so increasingly right wing nowadays, huh?
>>71516387
"could we please stop fucking things up? They're already too fucked as it is"
so cowardly
>>71516466
"things are already too fucked, but don't change nothin' because the unknown is scary!!!!!"
man up you lil bitch.
>>71513804
>Mainstream media nad Hollywood push liberalism as the norm
>Most men (today) are apolitical when it comes to getting pussy so they will not rustle feminist jimmies.
>Most people, unlike all of us, find politics boring;reading crime statistics akin to torture; and the discussion of racial differences akin to celebrating Hitler.
All cards stacked against the red pill for women. The only reason why most of us are here is because we are 1 to 2 (some 3+) standard deviations above our national IQ. We are generally withdrawn from society in the normie sense and are open to exploring new and novel ideas (censored in mainstream).
What else would you expect of normie women? And for that matter there are far more normie men than there are of us.
>>71516387
>self reliance
>learning self defence
>standing up to the globalist elites
"Cowardly"
I'm starting to think that all leftism is, is a status signaling trend. The better off you are the more you can afford to buy into pretending that everything is the polar opposite of reality.
>>71513804
Two reasons I think:
>1
Female IQ clusers around the mean, most women have average intelligence, which means it's easy to brainwash them by setting up a propoganda campaign through academia and mass media geared towards women, because they are all so similar.
Men on the other hand tend to be either exceedingly stupid or exceedingly intelligent, not cluster around the mean.
Most men will then either be completely uninterested in politics or on the contrary, will be some kind of expert in their own right.
>2
Biologically speaking, it is a known phenomenon that women have a strong compulsion to fit in with a sheep mentality, I kind of theory-collectivism, as to be a part of the dominant group is to increase your chance of successful reproduction. We dont have different waring tribes any more, but we do have different warring political ideologies that have replaced that.
If Islam ever does massively grow in population and power, and start to dominate Europe, do not depend on the women to fight back, they will convert without a second thought if they think it is within their immediate benefit.
>>71516419
I could talk about this for 300+ posts, but I'll spare everyone the ranting.
The cherry on top of the fucking cake here is that there is a narrative in western society that men are privileged and that we have it really easy - and this opens the cultural floodgates for people to abuse us further.
I honestly get angry when someone on the Internet tells me to be a "real man". "BE A REAL MAN" these days means to basically be a doormat to women. That's it, that's all. The cultural narrative is 200 percent against men, and everyone thinks this is the way it should be. Fine then. I just don't see why people are so retarded that they wondered "WHY AREN'T MEN BEING REAL MEN ANYMORE", when men have been fucking decimated in the western world and now they are pissing on our collective corpse.
>>71513804
Why do they always have soulless eyes?
>>71516682
you sound like you have a persecution complex, but that's not surprising if you live in south africa.
the weird thing about being a conservative in a place like SA is that you don't have anything to conserve, your country is in utter shambles because of the choices of previous generations ... i mean, when you think of a return to "the good old days," what could you possibly be dreaming of? your country never had any good old days.
>>71513804
Because they will never suffer the consequences of their choices.
Why dont you guys just relax and let it all play out? We cant change whats happening anyway. Just sit back and watch it all. Getting annoyed it at does nothing but put you in a resentful state. Why let society do that to (you)?
>>71516419
> mgtow
A band of useful idiots who're making it even more tough for the white race.
Go off yourself now and be comfy in the afterlife.
>>71513804
Mine isn't, but I literally had to meet her on the internet because every girl around seemed to be. Thank God the Internet exists, I'd probably just not get married otherwise.
>>71516983
>your country never had any good old days.
Well that's not entirely true. I mean sure nothing is left of it but it was once a very profitable joint colonial venture. The famous 'last stop' for European sailors entering the vast untamed wilderness of Asia and Oceania via the Indian Ocean.
best girl coming through
>>71517194
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>>71513804
they aren't
>>71513804
ITT VIRGINS
>>71517123
If I was retarded and lived on a potato farm, I'd also just "sit back and let it play out". But I don't, so you can fuck off.
>women have won
>men can have sex with plenty of willing women
>men dont have to pay her, support her or marry her
>men can do whatever they want
>capitalism has won even when its manipulated by SJW agenda the intrinsic advantages of being male will win regardless
>free sex, career options, self-made man options, cheap toys and entertainment
This is our century, boys
>>71517123
Well... even though western culture hates me because I'm a man, I still apparently have human rights and freedom of speech.
Why deny your anger? I love feeling angry about this. Holding it in just makes it worse. When I discuss this topic, I feel extreme fucking rage. Everyone else should, too. Nobody should accept being beaten down as a man like this.
>>71517288
You are ignoring all the disadvantages men have and insisting everything is good.
If you try to be independent as a man in modern western society, people will employ shaming tactics against you. And those shaming tactics work on most guys, too.
>>71517288
i forgot to add:
if willing to have children and a family you are not forced or expected to be the wage slave while the woman sits around at home, enjoying life. You can expect her to pull her own weight
>>71513804
Why are they always liberal? Simple answer Germany: they are told to be.
I had this conservation with a friend years ago, where we discussed how girls would all become "gamur grrlz :D" if they were told it was "cool". Years later, there are tons of them because they were told it was the thing to do.
Now they are being told being a liberal feminist is the thing to do.
Mark my words. If there is ever a show where a sexy female actress either:
>Converts to Islam from being an atheist or christian.
>Is a Muslim from the start of the show but is "hot"
Women will convert in droves, especially if its on MTV. Don't forget this.
>>71513804
Liberalism is less mean and male dominant, like modern Christianity.
>>71517263
why the anger? =) Chill out bro. again, why the anger? Just go out and enjoy the sun or go to work and earn a nice living.
>>71517312
Thats not true. No one hates you because youre a man. Thats ridiculous. 50% of this world is men. Get off the internet and interact with the world. If you find someone who resents me, move on from that person. Simple. No need to disturb yourself getting angry over these people. They dont deserve it.
>>71517288
Neither Men or Women have won.
The Jewish banking/investment elite have won.
They are literally a couple of decades away from total victory.
The only way we can reverse this shit is by decapitating the Zionist/marxist propaganda.
Which is only possible by removing their money and positions in society and good luck with that.
>>71513804
Liberalism fits naturally with the female intellect.
They can be taught conservative values but if left to their own judgement the majority will tend towards liberalism.
Women generally have intellectual myopia
Conservatism places way too much value on foresight for your average female to appreciate
>>71517288
>men can have sex with plenty of willing women
Except none of them are willing, you'll be charged for rape if a single one decides you didn't perform as well as she hoped and she doesn't have to prove it's true, YOU have to prove she consented the ENTIRE time and never withdrew her consent.
Women are more empathetic; most of today's societies are built on maintaining and exploiting a permanent social/cultural/economic underclass. This bothers women, so they become progressives, so we can progress past this shit ... the people who are mad about this (ie many in this thread) are pissed because this is eating away at the built-in privilege that they feel entitled to as their birthright.
>>71514219
then why do you guys hate islam? it should be perfect for you guys? you seem to hate women.
>>71517372
I think the problem lies with yourself. Why do you care if these tactics bother other men? Unless youre actually talking about them secretly bothering you...
>>71517582
Lad, if you decide to fuck a women that does that, then the fault equally lies with you for choosing such a despicable character. We all know the rape laws are dodge but just protect yourself as best as you can and get written permission before the deed and also video evidence so its shown she doesnt change her mind mid copulation.
>>71516758
Well women do not have the raw physical strength to overpower men so there only have 2 sources of cultural influence, who they give access to their vagina, and social shame. Women shaming men has been the bedrock of female influence throughout history, even as far back as the world wars where early feminists would give white feathers to able bodied men who were not fighting in the war, it was a shown as a sign of cowardice.
Men have been told over the years that in order to be a man you have to conform to the expectations of society because conforming to this behaviour was beneficial for women and children, and that meant taking on harsh conditions, and men did it because they gained back the respect of their peers.
Modern degeneracy and liberalism/socialism have eroded the respect men used to get and all we're left with is the shame. This is the defnining characteristic of MGTOW, that men go their own way, that societies expectations are to be disregarded. Once you've adopted this position it becomes impossible for a woman, or a man, to shame you because of your lifestyle, and without that peer pressure things like getting married and having kids become unattractive prospects because of the uniquely high amount of risk for men.
Conservative girl will be seen as weird and gets lonely. My little sister is like this, but she can't seem to be able to make any friends in school. She says it's fine but I'm afraid she'll get caught by the pressure.
All it takes for a woman to change her worldview is 1 charasmatic teacher.
Colleges are ground zero for this brainwashing.
>>71517600
This dude makes a good point. All you cranky right-wingers should be eager to convert to Islam, since it provides you with a moral/religious mandate to oppress women and pretty much anyone else you don't like.
>>71513804
Women are the targets of youth media and the education system. Women are easier to manipulate and value freedom less than men.
>>71513804
Womyn are ruled by their biological hormones which cyclically fluctuate. This fluctautaion causes the female to be unable to differentiate from rational logic to hormonal bullshit for large periods of time. This fucks up her brain and makes her useless to society if asked to do anything other than breed, nurture and provide pleasure.
Giving womyn the vote was the biggest mistake Western Civilisation ever made.
>>71513804
Its the Fee Fees right? Without a cock to guide them they always revert to feels for solving problems.
>>71517405
I disagree. I think this status quo exists because women were given a voice.
>>71517589
This is perfect example of their intellectual myopia. They try to act compassionately in the moment not realising this will lead to a more difficult future for everyone
>>71517600
So you think I hate women because I complain about how hard men have it in western society? You think me refusing to bow down to women means I hate them? I hope you get gassed.
>>71517600
>y-you hate women so you should dedicate your entire life to a death cult that wants to destroy western civilisation
>>71517137
>A band of useful idiots
Haha, to whom?
>who're making it even more tough for the white race.
And why should we care about that?
>afterlife.
It's [current year] do you seriously believe in an afterlife?
>>71517610
I am a man and so this affects me, and I don't feel like going along with the trends and hating men because it's cool. The problem does not lie with me. Men in western society cannot do what they want, because if they try, then out come the vitriolic toxicity and shaming tactics against them.
>>71514439
Why cant you just fuck/have children and not marry? Idgaf if you drop out or whatever, but theres better options.
>>71517512
You obviously can't comprehend my words here. Yes, people do have a bitter angst against men in western society. All you can do is reply and deflect and say "HURR DURR THAT'S NOT TRUE HURR". Maybe you should read my damn posts next time and really comprehend the words. Men are 50 percent of the world yet in western society we are seen as disposable slaves to women.
>>71517600
Islam is not for men who hate women, it's dumb to compare them anyway because Islamic cultures don't deal with feminism. It's very bluepilled religion because they don't know any better.
>>71516037
No, it's not lol
>>71517731
>>71517600
Yea you're right, us right wingers whom's primary concern is upholding western tradition and values should adopt middle eastern tradition and values
>>71517975
>>Why cant you just fuck/have children and not marry? Idgaf if you drop out or whatever, but theres better options.
Child support.
>>71517975
>>71518332
Not to mention the disservice you are doing to the child. I mean if you have no moral compass and dont care how you're offsping turns out then fine, dont worry.
10/10 SCOTTISH PRINCESS BEST GIRL
>>71513804
what is wrong with her fucking eyes?
how are they so far apart?
>>71514484
Yes I'd probably rather get in a relationship with a younger guy at this point. I see all these right-wing Trump supporting boys at American colleges but not a single one girl.
>>71515282
>Yet she's still voting for the greenshit this weekend.
fucking redpill her, you pussy.
also, women in austria are complete shit. just as cucked as german girls.
>>71513804
Maybe in your country. Sharya helps with that.
>>71517288
>men can have sex with plenty of willing women
No, not really. Statistically the average man is going to struggle, every piece of data we have on this shows that womens perception of the quality of men is that the overwhelming number of men are seen as below average. Sexual liberation has lead to the top 20% of men getting a disproportionally large amount of tail and most other men struggling. Look at stuff like the OKCupid and tinder stats and msgs received and swipes and all that
>men dont have to pay her, support her or marry her
Most women still demand or expect to be paid for despite having their own source of income, except that now they're in the workplace the average wage has plummeted for men because there's twice the supply in the work force, so we earn less and still pay for both people
>men can do whatever they want
Increasingly strict rape laws, getting kicked out of uni for mere accusations and things like this have resulted because of an overbearing state which is listening to the feminists, men have never been less free.
>capitalism has won even when its manipulated by SJW agenda the intrinsic advantages of being male will win regardless
Capitalism has been erroded slowly, look at all the discrimination policies in hiring, minimum wage, government inflating currency, tarrifs etc. It's much less of a free market today.
>>free sex, career options, self-made man options, cheap toys and entertainment
This is really the only silver lining, you have lots of options to get educated, start a business, climb the corporate ladder and become successful, earn a lot of money, with toys and entertainment as well as drugs and alcohol being very cheap, and there being thousands of innovative hobbies and interests life is really fucking sweet as a single guy. You can build a kickass entertainment system with an insane gaming PC and a kickass 125" projector and 9.1 surround sound, then spend all day play games and drinking beer and still be making bank.
>>71517759
I think this whole women are more emotional, hormonal, empathetic, compassionate etc. shit is blown totally out of proportion
I think the key difference between the male and female is the general heuristic they employ to solve problems
Men try to use a cohesive rational heuristic that can be generally be applied across problems of a similar nature.
Females solve problems as atomic systems. A female sees a single problem and acts in a way to solve that problem and that problem only. Each problem is unique and their is no inherent relationship. This is why there is very rarely logical coherence in a females actions.
In my opinion this explains a huge amount of female behavior, their "emotional" responses, their lack of loyalty, their incomprehension of respect, their "compassion", she said "X" and now she is doing "Y".
Also why they seem to be much better arguers then men. A female will argue by saying/doing anything that will win the argument in that moment, where as men try to build a logical argument that can be generally applied to the problem. One is a much easier task than the other
Honestly every time I apply this logic it makes sense of female action
>>71517554
This guy gets it
>>71513918
Democracy becomes Fascism if you give all the power to a small group of people
>Start dating a girl 5 years ago
>Kinda typical liberal but the only reason she gives is "because they are better"
>Over the years I slowly exposed her to my line of thinking
>Last year we got stopped at a DUI check point , before the cop even asks a question she starts yelling "AM I BEING DETAINED" " I DONT ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS"
Also she surfs InfoWars all the time, I think I went to far on this.
>>71516703
>Men on the other hand tend to be either exceedingly stupid or exceedingly intelligent, not cluster around the mean.
Men cluster around the mean as well. Its called a normal distribution.
>>71518802
>>Last year we got stopped at a DUI check point , before the cop even asks a question she starts yelling "AM I BEING DETAINED" " I DONT ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS"
So how did that turn out?
>>71515297
Ann Coulter?
>mfw dating a conservative woman
>mfw she's QT as fuck
>mfw we spend our evenings listening to the radio and laughing at libtards
>>71514844
Dad? Is that you?
>>71517589
But it's not empathetic to rob someone of their assets and give it to other people, you're not displaying empathy for the people you're taking from. Really what is happening is that it makes them feel better so that's what they do, given that women basically act on emotions most of the time.
>>71517555
>Women generally have intellectual myopia
And I would say more generally this has to do with the inability to think too many steps ahead we know men beat women in the intellectual area here because games which stress this ability like chess are dominated entirely by men. Being able to extrapolate how changes effect people in the future is the basis for making decisions. For example if you can only see 1 step ahead then you're going to think things like min wage laws are going to help the poor, if you can think a few more steps ahead then you'll be able to conclude that because of market forces min wage just hurts the poor. Another good example is putting in anti-discrimination laws, if you can punished for example getting a trans persons promouns wrong then trans people will simply get hired less because they're a liability to the business. These are all liberal ideas.
>>71519122
Yeah that's exactly what I meant by "intellectual myopia". Another term I like to use is low degree thinking that is only the most trivial/obvious consequences are apparent to them
I expanded on this here
>>71518674
>>71518980
>Men cluster around the mean as well. Its called a normal distribution.
The bell curve for IQ for men is still a bell curve but it's noticeably flatter than the curve for women, so men cluster around the mean in a much less significant way than women and this pushes more men out to the extremes, this is why we see almost entirely male geniuses and male retards.
>>71519012
There are a few women of course, just a statistically irrelevant number.
>>71518982
Cop just told us to move along. Uneventful really
>>71518401
Why on earth would you be doing your children a disservice by removing them from tha cancer that is modern women?
Also:
>single man with children
Literally never will happen.
>>71517702
Physical strength doesn't matter in this situation at all, especially since men are still expected to not hit women, fight and die in wars, and do all the heavy lifting grunt work. But the rest of your post was well typed.
>>71518789
>and facism is "bad"
>why do extraordinarily impressionable people raised in a liberal environment turn liberal?
hmm i wonder why
>>71513804
They aren't
They're just easily swayed like women throughout all time periods
If the media was right wing women would be right wing
>>71519384
Yeah we're on the same page, I think it's one of the 4 core components that IQ tests stress, which is partly to do with how much information you can hold in your head at the same time and still do useful reasoning with it.
It's probably also of the cause of what you mentioned here >>71518674 with respect to women solving issues in isolation. Being able to consider not just the effects the solution has on the problem but also all other connected systems connected to that problem requires thinking to a greater depth.
It's why government will only ever increase in the number of laws and decrease in the freedom of the people. Because the first law will be that it's illegal to use pronouns wrong for trans people in the work place without considering the consequences, and then when that causes discrimination in hiring they'll want more laws to prevent that, and then more laws to compensate those who lose job offers to discrimination and so on ad nausem.
The left are drooling retards. The clash of left and right at the trump rallys that are caught on video and put on youtube are a fantastic example of this.
>>71518009
>Black Templar
At least his taste wasn't 100% terrible.
>>71519628
I think I child is going to grow up wonky minded with a single parent, whether thats male or female.
A child needs a loving mother and a male role model to look up to. Unfortunately modern society provides them with neither.
>>71513804
Using brain and studying requires energy. They want an easy life without paying dues.
>>71513804
>Why are modern women always liberal?
They grow up in a bubble. It's our job to pop it.
Also, happy birthday, Addi!
>>71513804
Anthropological studies show that women have generally always been liberal. Studying every empire in the last 5000 years, every single one fell when women started to be taken seriously. Liberalism, feminism, fat acceptance and feminization of males.
The women paved the way for hordes of more aggressive males to take over their country.
When this happens, the women submit to the invading aggressive males and a new golden age begins.
This exact thing happened with every empire over the last 5000 years. As soon as men stop keeping their bitches in check, feminism ruins civilizations
>>71520059
>It's our job to pop it.
What do you have in mind Hans? Fourth Reich?
>>71513804
Democrats were able to lure women in with hot-button meme positions like the Pay Gap, gun control (Becuase guns are scary!!) and Abortion. Unless you're a super conservative family-oriented woman, the GOP has literally nothing to offer you.
Because modern men are weak as fuck.
The behavior of women is determined by what their men allow them to get away with.
>>71520097
>and a new golden age begins.
That's where you went wrong.
The civilised world has been continuously shrinking since the dawn of the ancient era.
The Assyrians, the Persians, the Carthaginians, the Ancient Egyptians, the Romans.
They were replaced by aggressive males, sure, but no Golden Age, only barbarism and poverty.
This is the fate of the West.
We have imploded under the stress of our own women.
>>71520168
The Republican's denial of climate change is also a pretty big part of it.
>>71517845
aussie talking sense into this bitch
>>71514219
I really hope you're not the same guy attacking guys for being virgins in the other thread. Isn't that the exact thing you're criticizing here?
>>71513804
Is this girl the Chvrches singer?
What a waste.
>>71520239
Yes barbarism and poverty at first. Any conquered civilization needs to be rebuilt.
But the point is: women ruin everything.
>>71519957
Eh, the whole point of "raising" a child is to make them fit into society. Though I'm sure their is some gold tinted image of this "Yin-Yang" relationship lodged in your brain I'm quite certain that simply tossing a woman into the mix will not magically improve things.
Society does provide neither though very correct, most of the talk online is about shit women but if you look around you(and you don't need to look far....) most of the men are shit as well.
>>71520293
No. Many Canadians are angry people. I am using this thread to say what I think needs to be said.
>>71518009
Huutista from every tuutista
>Implying you wouldn't date this goddess
Lauren is the cutest girl in the world
>>71517214
she isnt even attractive
>>71520383
ok, yeah I've noticed your posts for a while and agree with you, I made the mistake of thinking that the angry canadian in >>71496051 was you.
>>71520339
The civilisations I listed were never rebuilt, not from when they fell to thousands of years later to now.
They have ever since been squabbling tribes of arabs.
The birthplace of modern civilisation, Babylon, is now a terrorist hotbed full of Muhammed cultists, and not a single noteworthy piece of art, architecture of science has come out of there ever since. The same fate that Constantinople succumbed to, and soon will Rome, Paris... ... ...
>>71520392
shit personality shit looks
why do people like this chick so much
>>71518674
What you describe is correct but is a symptom and not the problem itself. Te problem itself is the root difference between the roles that hormones play in us. Within womyn hormones are very dominant and are ever present. This literally disengages the rational, logic circuits in the female brain so she does not have the same relationship with logic as males.
Bless her, it's not her fault but really she shouldn't be allowed to make important, strategic, decisions with long term implications.
She should be wearing sexy lingerie or making me a sandwich, which is what God intended, simple!
>>71514439
Oh yea. That'll teach them.
>>71513804
Women do as thier told and the media tells them to be liberals.
When you talk one on one with a woman they will agree with you as long as you aren't autistic, but in a group setting an hour later they will completely 180 to agree with the group.
It's just how woman are.
>>71513804
You'd be liberal, too, if you had any brains, you literal nazi kkk shitlord.
We should round people like you up and gas you before you try on us
Their mothers are.
>>71520392
I only like high test women. Get that skeleton out of my face nigger.
>>71520097
Triple dog dare you to link those studies since you retards post "this is why rome fell" every time you stub your toe.
>>71513804
Women are passive in nature.
Liberalism is political passiveness, hence why most of the men who support it are effeminate cucks.
>>71520392
>Lauren is the cutest girl in the world
Yes, she is. For a Canadian anyway.
>current year
>people still care about filthy, smelly, dumb 3DPD whores
Stop caring about those annoying real world cunts and take the 2D redpill senpaitachi!
>>71520489
Because she's a complete QT and hates 4chan with a passion. Forbidden love
>>71520184
>The behavior of women is determined by what their men allow them to get away with.
>>71520351
>most of the men are shit as well.
I basically agree with this. While I am an egalitarian and so would never support things like unequal laws for men and women, it's basically the social behaviors of men towards women that is the problem.
A lot of the traditional male traits are lacking, men are no longer stoic, I look at something like the character Rust in the first season of True detective who just doesn't give a fuck and finds satisfaction in his work. Then I look at a lot of my friends and they're the beta guys who hearts ache because they don't have a g/f and all their blubbering does it just make them more offputting to women, these are the guys that roll over for women because they're terrified of being alone.
Modern men are feminized and that's because a huge number of them have been rasised without strong father figures and fathers were basically removed by the force of the state, so a lot of this comes back to government interference in the family unit, it's utterly devastating for society.
>>71520617
>pakistani knows about mulher melancia
surprised.jpeg
>>71516444
German women literally voted for your country to be invaded by radical muslims and then gave them roses after those muslims raped them.
That is not right.
>>71516025
Let em burn and leave.
>>71520392
>Lauren is the cutest girl in the world
yes
>>71520870
Brazilian women are FINE.
>>71520550
This, 100%
Fucking happened to me yesteday, exactly what you described, was having a casual one on one conversation with this girl whilest I was having a smoke outside about how men have become more feminine since WW2 because of cultural, behavioural and diet change and she was in complete agreeance even adding to my points, then the next day I walk into the kitchen and everyones laughing "hah you think theres a government conspiracy to make gays hahaha xDDD" because the bitch has told them some comically simplified version of what we were BOTH talking about.
>>71513804
Because they wouldn't be a strong and independent if big daddy government wasn't helping them every step of the way.
>>71521134
if that's your idea of a "casual" conversation, you are full on autistic and need to be heavily medicated.
>>71519012
man, if coulter was like, 60 years younger...
i'm not saying i wouldn't now, but if she weren't a dried up husk i'd marry her
>>71513804
I could say the same thing about men.
Morals, values and a perception of reality are developed through hardship.
Women face zero hardship and are catered to throughout their entire lives giving them a warped perception of life. Life is cruel. All western nations live on land built from blood and sweat, a sacrifice they could never comprehend. A sacrifice that's still fragile and being destroyed in the name of greed, corruption and ''''progressiveness''''.
>>71521302
When you're close friends with someone, you often end up finding that your conversation has drifted to a pretty obscure subject. Most of the time, they are not instigated by myself.
>>71520489
>those dead black eyes
0/10
shit colored eyes are 60% of why i am only attracted to white women
>>71521134
i hope they bully you to death haha you pathetic fuck suck my xenoestrogen water supply
>>71513804
>>71521449
or drunk
i've had some janky ass conversations at book clubs
>>71516326
>Doesnt that including all living women then
Of course it is. That's what he meant by "all modern women". It was a general statement
>Unless you found women who exist outside of time
wat?
>Your definition is shit. Try again.
It's not, you're just a moron trying to b8
>>71521550
If that was true, the massive difference in voting habits wouldn't be a thing. If it was true, women wouldn't have detached herself from mainstream male thinking.
>>71521572
>janky
I like this word
>>71513804
Ignorant, short sighted idiots can only vote in their own self interest. Men are capable of voting instead for what is best for their country.
>>71518614
>posts a rational response
>nobody even notices
/pol/ has gone to shit
>>71519827
Sorry I got distracted, preaching to the choir mate.
Im glad to know I have like minded friends on this issue :^)
>>71520526
Yeah well I guess that's true, hormones are the key thing that separates us.
Having said that I still think men are somewhat "hormonal", I notice shifts in myself that change how I feel about certain things. I dont know if it is hormones exactly but I imagine it would be something along those lines
>>71513804
Come to the American South, Midwest, Southwest. Conservative women for miles around.
If all you're basing this shit off is your cuck EU nation or US coastal towns, you gottanother thing comin'.
>>71520846
>a lot of this comes back to government interference in the family unit
Massive amounts of government interference is inevitable once you give women the vote. They will ALWAYS vote to give the government more power and the state essentially becomes their provider/husband.
This is true in every single case of women having the vote. They fuck everything up, government spending goes through the roof, and the state becomes a fucking nanny state welfare monster.
>While I am an egalitarian and so would never support things like unequal laws for men and women
This is the root problem. We are not equal, especially not men and women. That's complete bullshit and universal suffrage is suicidal.
>>71513804
Because of neckbeards like this >>71513918
>"Women are all dumb whores who should have never been allowed to vote!"
>"WAAHHHHHHHHHH WHY AREN'T WOMEN EAGER TO JOIN OUR MOVEMENT???? WAAAAAAHHHHH MOMMYYYYYY!!!!!!"
>>71513804
because for them (white women) exclusively, reality is a choice
>>71520764
He said Lauren, not (((Lauren)))
>>71521983
I think people are also forgetting the difference in brain structure between men and women. As far as I'm aware, when your brain processes data differently it can certainly affect the way you perceive reality.
It's a disregard for consequences, the result of a shitty, sheltered upbringing.
When your actions don't have consequences (negative ones) during your childhood, you never learn to consider them when doing something. You only consider the most direct effect. And that leads to liberalism, immediate benefit without regards for the consequences down the line.
And you can't hurt muh fragile girls, so that's what they're more likely to end up with.
>>71518789
>fascism is bad because fascism is bad
Try learning about fascism from actual fascists. It's absurd that most people get their opinions about fascism from what opposing political ideologies tell them. You would never expect to get an honest description of capitalism by asking a fucking commie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2b19Nxxp6Y
>>71522244
You live in a shitty brown country, your opinion is irrelevant.
>>71513804
What's appealing about conservatism for western women? Would you ascribe to an ideology that tells you that you deserve no responsibility, that you're not able to partake in the same things that men enjoy? You all seem to hate the idea of being subservient to members of the opposite sex, so why do you resent women for not wanting the same thing?
Conservatism has literally nothing to offer "modern" women.
>>71523110
Conservatism has nothing to offer *anyone*
The only reason anyone under 50 is conservative is because they're desperate for the approval of their parents. Daddy didn't give them enough hugs growing up so they think they're going to win his approval by parroting his stupid opinions.
>>71521425
I think deep down this is part of the source of the problem. I've maintained for a while now that the fundamental problem with society today is that people have forgotten that the natural state of life in the world is abject poverty and exposure to the elements and death from mother nature.
Growing up in an urban area removes almost all threats and gives young people impression that wealth is the status quo. I saw a post on pol a few months ago that stated this really well, it's the source of most liberal/left ways of thinking, because they ask the question "where does poverty come from?" instead of asking the correct question which is "where does wealth come from?"
Everything I hate about liberals and the left stems from their feeling of entitlement, when they say things like "healhcare should be a fundamental human right" I feel disgusted with them, those are the words of an entitled person.
Facing and overcoming hardship is what changes the natural state of things from poverty and suffering into wealth and prosperity, and we forget that at our peril because it's what society is founded on.
It's also what makes the refugee crisis so disgusting as well, if they want the luxuries of modern society they have to be prepared to stand up and fight for it like we have in the past.
>>71523785
Technology is really the root of every problem from feminism to multiculturalism
all would be physically impossible without 20th century inventions
>>71523785
You have no idea what the "natural state of life in the world" consists of, and your definition of it is obviously just a projection of your particular neuroses ... get therapy, pal.
>>71513804
Because women are the root of all evil. They're useless parasites who historically only exist to create children.
>>71513804
Because they don't have balls to be heroes and they don't want to work, but they want all the perks and respect that heroes and working people get.
So they find it easier to simply take a photo with a piece of paper and have liberals praise them, than, god forbid, do some real work or get into some real danger for their beliefs.
Thank god Serbian women haven't stumped so low yet, but I'm sure they will.
>>71524161
What a great rebuttal. You must have been a great addition on the high school debate team, Poindexter.
>>71522166
That's true, but I think we need to make a case for limiting government powers and let women keep the vote. I'm a libertarian I think the government needs to be about 5% of the size it is now and probably about 80% of laws abolished.
America is one of he most modern countries, you guys took many of the good values from us and established a country with those as core values, freedom of speech, right to a fair trial, separation of church and state, etc. In some sense the constitution capped state power although even that's being eroded so maybe it's always inevitable...
It's that realization that makes me wonder if libertarianism is the way forward or if it will require force to stop that endless loop.
>>71522166
>This is the root problem. We are not equal, especially not men and women. That's complete bullshit and universal suffrage is suicidal.
I absolutely agree, I know we're not equal in terms of biology and behaviour, and even mental capability, but allowing women have the vote comes from a sense of principle about not initiating violence against people.
If I was happy using force to stop some people having their say I wouldn't even limit it to women, I'd probably also expect IQ tests of men to stop the idiots voting as well.
Ideally I'd like a voluntary society with minimal or no government. But sometimes I feel like /pol/ is swaying me away from that. Just out of interest, how would you identify politically?
>>71524161
You have no idea what the "natural state of life in the world" consists of
Yes I do, go and spend a days fending for yourself in a jungle or a forest with absolutely no society or government to protect you and see how far you get shouting into the wilderness about how you have a "right" to healthcare.
There is no healthcare in nature, there's just death from poison and having your leg bitten off. Things like helathcare, education, food, shelter, these things emergy from poverty through a long and harsh process of hard work and effort and fighting to protect what you've created. We should respect that process and the people that provide those things, not use violence against them in order to take what we think we deserve.
>>71514439
Yeah, once whites have finally gone extinct, those fucking bitches will surely learn.
Great plan you have there.
>>71525473
It's better than the alternative that traditionalists try to force on men - you know, men submitting to women, complying with feminism and chivalry at the same time, men having an enormous burden on their shoulders, etc.
I wonder why retards on /pol/ never ask WHY men are opting out. People here are so fucking stupid.
>>71524679
>>71525068
>Just out of interest, how would you identify politically?
I used to be a libertarian as well, but I'm completely disillusioned with it and some form of fascism is the only path forward that seems like it would even work.
This seems to be a pretty common trend for a lot of former libertarians. I know most of the guys on TRS like Mike Enoch were really into libertarianism and now they're basically just full speed ahead fascists.
One of the things that really did it for me was when I learned about how an enormous percentage of people (I can't remember the exact number, but I believe it was well over 50%) will not change their deeply held beliefs, even if confronted with irrefutable evidence, and they will instead just cling to their beliefs even more. That just made any kind of voluntary society seem hopeless because most of these people just can't be reasoned with. Using force to keep pushing them in the right direction and to keep them on the straight and narrow is the only option and it has to be used for their own good.
There's also no way to prevent "insidious outside influences" like the jews in a libertarian society. We need to be able to have the power to regulate the moral elements of our society, prevent excessively degenerate influences from seeping in, and violently suppress any group that seeks to undermine the nation. We can't handicap ourselves and limit our power when it comes to that because we've seen how destructive these people can be in just a short amount of time if they aren't violently suppressed and chased out or otherwise removed. Pinochet had it right. Round these fuckers up and throw them out of helicopters, but none of this would be possible in a voluntary society with little to no government.
>>71525473
The main problem is the disillusioned men are never the ones in a position where they can say something. I would lose my job if I spoke out against feminism.
>>71526417
don't forget though, that fascism and online anonymity/freedom are completely opposite one another
you have to realize that 4chan and its users would be the first to be punished in your ideal society , and internet anonymity in general promotes decay of morals and lack of shame.
>>71513804
They're not. They're just not as loud.
Idk OP my girlfriend is pretty redpilled. 18, anti-Islam, anti-immigration, anti-Hillary, and against abortion. Also dislikes niggers.
>>71527022
>>girlfriend
premarital sex is not "redpilled"
sheboons haz started the space wars against jewpiter before us lel
>>71526417
Appreciate your response Ameribro
I definitely think that the outcome of a libertarian society right now would not be the ideal place although I think that in general is a straw man of what most libertarians believe.
Like you I worry about the rationality of people, it's often cited that the free market would operate and produce all this stuff better than government which is an ideal which really rest on the assumption people act rationally in their own best interest, but you can't even trust stupid people and women who think emotionally to even do that. I like that in a libertarian society however, the majority of the fallout of peoplew stupid decisions falls on their shoulders which I kind of prefer.
I keep coming back to this idea of morality though, because I do think you have to be principled about it, and the use of force against people even if its what you believe to be in their best interest, I struggle to get behind that.
But then I also struggle with the idea of libertarianism when it comes to say raising children and what force you're allowed to use with them, same for say mentally ill people. I mean this is a spectrum right, we don't interfere with others around us if they're capable of being moral themselves, could you make a case for fascism in the same way? Has that been done? Suggested reading if you have any.
>>71527239
best option is restrict technology so the masses don't even know what they're missing.
literally if me and you were just raised to be workers/farmers without tech-savvy and internet and entertainment physically available we wouldn't even complain.
the internet need to be banned imo
>>71518614
this is what /pol/ believes
>>71525471
Humans are a pack species. Human society government, healthcare, etc are all a part of nature as the way that humans survive. Saying individual humans would do poorly without society and healthcare is about as meaningful as saying a termite couldn't survive outside its colony.
I think how this relates to women though is that now that women have rights men are losing their stake in the system because the way that women optimize their reproductive success leaves many men reproductively unsuccessful. The 20% of men that women find physically attractive cannot hold up the proverbial termite hill on their own, but since women don't have any stake in it they just don't care.
My wife, my sister in law, mother and mother in law are all conservative. Maybe it's just because you are in Europe. Plenty of conservative women here in the good old US of A.
>>71527496
this is why arranged marriage is a good thing.
romantic love is tied to capitalistic industrial society and ultimately started the breakdown of the family.
>>71513804
Because women are more social creatures by nature.
This is biological fact. Even the way womens brains are designed makes them better than men at things like empathy, looking at someone figuring out what their current emotional state is and responding to other peoples emotions, and most everything regarding anything social. It's a result of mankind's develpoment as hunter gathers, and it is this same development that makes men better, biologically speaking, at math, science, problem solving and reason. Women were the gathers and the caretakers, they needed social skills, men were the hunters, we didn't really need social skills.
But how does this cause them to be more liberal?
It's very simple. Being more empathetic makes them more susceptible to appeals to pathos, slmething the left is founded on.
Better social skills also makes them more likely to do what is considered "cool" and "popular" in an attempt to build up status. This is the same reason that young women are more conservative in areas were the right wing is the norm, they simply have a biological tendency to be more influenced by the culture around them.
Now, an idiot would take these facts and interpret them to mean that women are inferior, or that women shouldn't vote, or some shit like that.
These facts should not be responded to in that manner, but should instead be seen as a call to change the culture we live in, and to support things that foster free thinkingness and logic in women, because they are 100% capable of it, they simply need a bigger push in that direction than men do.
>>71513804
They have always been liberal. The men back in the days had the balls to shut them up though.
>>71526358
No, motherfucker. If you personally want to stay single, that's fine but when you start advocating to other white men that they should too, you become part of the problem, you become the enemy.
>>71526762
It would be good to do away with places like this in a society with good morals and values since the only people who would be using these kinds of places would be subversive leftists.
Our ideas are subversive because most of us have morally good and traditional beliefs while the rest of our society is completely fucking insane, so that's why 4chan is useful for spreading our ideas right now. These ideas would be mainstream in a healthy society though, so the kinds of people who would lurk around on anonymous boards in a healthy society are people that should be suppressed because they want to undermine the stability of the society,
This seems hypocritical that I would support anonymous imageboards as long as it benefits my ideology and then I wouldn't support them when it benefits an opposing ideology and it is, but it's necessary. For example, the mainstream American right had that insufferable little quote of, "I do not agree with you what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it" that they would proudly throw around whenever they were getting their face smeared in shit by leftists. What good was their principled stance when the left completely subverted them in academia and eventually ousted them entirely? They just stood by chanting their little "I do not agree with you what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it" mantra as fucking commies flooded into the universities and now that these people are in control they don't tolerate the slightest bit of dissent, so they certainly didn't return the favor.
That "I do not agree with you what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it" shit was just the perfect example of committing suicide over "muh principles." There are no rules here when dealing with the enemy and being unfair or hypocritical when dealing with your enemy is natural and good. They should be dealt with mercilessly and you should fight as dirty as you have to in order to win.
>>71527735
I'm just saying, 99% of people on 4chan aren't as moral as they appear and are degenerates addicted to porn and other things, INCLUDING the people with far-right beliefs.
all you have to do if you really want a right wing revolution is start taking down the technology infrastructure. Literally do what you can to help destroy the internet, and people will have to face reality.
>>71513842
They want to have the moral liberty to be a cum dumpster without being judged.
>>71518789
> Fascism
There's that buzzword again
After years of banging random slooty women I'm so glad to have found a girl who was brought up in a good family with good, strong values.
They are rare, but they're out there. You just have fuck a bunch of frogs until you find your prince(ess)
>>71528047
your attitude is the same as all those former sluts who hit 30.
fornication is bad, get it into your head
>>71514219
Only in Canada
>>71517731
>>71517600
eat shit eastern trash
not even a good attempt
>>71527729
I can advocate whatever I want, but I don't go out of my way to tell white guys they are single. If the conservation comes across that topic, I don't badger them for being single, I show support.
If a white guy on the Internet needs me to be a fellow bro for him, just for a bit, I'll be sympathetic to him. It's called having empathy and understand for other human beings - but you're a typical westerner that was raised to worship women, so you don't understand. Men are just disposable slaves to you and women are the superior sex. It doesn't even matter if you are a man or woman yourself. Men are hemmed in by both feminists and traditionalists and they have every right to opt out of a society that hates them.
>>71528149
No, it's all across the western world, it's just that guys are so cucked these days that they have no idea they are cucked.
>>71527496
People (men) do, and have lived alone and provided all the basics for themselves.
Obviously a lot of our ancestors lived in tribes, but those tribes didn't have access to any of those things until someone made the effort to actually invent it and perfect it, it's not enough to simply live in a tribe and expect others to do things, it only works if everyone in the tribe contributes to the tribe.
I think just studying genetics alone show that statistically about 80% of female ancestors reproduced but only about 40% of males, society then became very monogamous at some point as number of pairs of people grew and the average births per women dropped, enabled by technology keeping children alive so requiring less births.
Sexual liberation of women (the invention of birth control) is basically what has caused the more recent swing of women not engaging in long term relationships and just endlessly rotating through the chads. Isolating lots of men lowers their investment in society and society keeps running because these men go to work and do all the dangerous and unpleasant jobs.
We see the shaming of young males all the time, failure to launch and all that, sitting in moms basement on their xbox. I mean why would those men bother without some kind of equivalent reward? It's not rational. Anyway that's why I'm a MGTOW, fuck that noise, seriously.
women wouldnt vote liberal if conservatives would stop trying to govern their bodies
stop doing that, and you get conservative women
>>71527239
>I like that in a libertarian society however, the majority of the fallout of peoplew stupid decisions falls on their shoulders which I kind of prefer.
>I keep coming back to this idea of morality though, because I do think you have to be principled about it, and the use of force against people even if its what you believe to be in their best interest, I struggle to get behind that
Isn't it worse to allow your own people to fall prey to their weaknesses when you could have straightened them out early on with some harsh discipline though?
It seems nice at first glance that the consequences of people's stupid decisions are mostly falling on their own shoulders in a libertarian society, but when I think about it a bit more then it seems a bit cruel. Libertarian societies, even when they're just hypothetical, seem to be very low trust societies that are extremely atomized. There's not much of a sense of belonging to anything bigger than just the individual, and it's essential for a nation to feel like a very large and extended family. That's one of the reasons why I always assumed that libertarianism was mostly an American thing. We're such a clusterfuck of a nation that it's very difficult to feel any sense of a powerful and genuine connection with your fellow citizens beyond the people in your local area, so it's only natural that such an antisocial ideology would thrive here.
It's like with a child that's misbehaving. You can try to talk to him, have a rational discussion with him about why he should misbehaving, but it's not going to work and he's eventually going to end up hurting himself or getting into trouble in some other way. Alternatively, his father could just slap him and that'll sort him out. I don't think that using force is morally wrong as long as you're using it to help people that won't learn from anything other than fear/intimidation (likely the vast majority)
>>71513804
Because everyone goes to school, and the people in authority coddle the girls away from male influence.
>>71527735
God damn I find myself agreeing with a bunch of that. Why extend the right of freedom of speech to someone who is going to subvert the government and then tries to deny that fundamental principle to others around them.
Even as a libertarian I believe that force should be met with force, I guess the really fine line in the principles is where do you draw the line with what is force. Can we reasonable say that leftists are aggressing against us if they intend to get into power and suppress freedom themselves?
If the choice is left or right authoritarian then I'd pick right and day of the week.
>>71528744
libertarian societies only worked right when there was a lack of technology and people had to have discipline by necessity for survival, such as the case of the american frontiers during westward expansion
Feminism exists in the west to turn white men off white women so they resort to breeding with non-whites
>>71518473
>brown eyes
>white
>>71514219
This is why the only options are to come out of the closet or to undergo a full gender transition. Be courageous, /pol/!
Why do these threads always turn into spergfests?
Yes statistically more women are becoming degenerate entitled cunts. Meanwhile the sky is blue. You gotta rummage through the shit to find the golden nugget gentlemen. Play it smart though.
You can opt out all you want. The world, people, anons, or myself don't give a flying fuck if you don't reproduce, marry, or have an SO. Just go back to your vidya, anime, and hentai.
>>71518789
I know that Fascism is bad because I see Commie protestors say things like "fuck you fuckin Fascist!"
>>71513804
they just go along with whats popular
Women in today's world have it too easy. While men as always in society must keep a exact profile of being that person who works, pays tax, and defends the kingdom when necessary, Women on the other hand are not constricted by the same principles, Women are seen as the more necessary of the sexes, so a women can act stupid, break the law, and do what she wants because she is need to at some point, repopulate the country.
-In modem times women are now led to believe they are the smarter. wiser, stronger and better then males, because they are natural born liberals. A Liberal is a brave, dareing, kind, smart caring person, that most women strive to achieve. Liberals brain-wash people into the simple ideas of these characteristics, and women are easily persuaded by this
Women in life want money and power, there is power is being liberal against those who want to conserve money, and its hard to get money, from those who want to conserve it. This is why women are always Liberal, they want money and they don't care if your country burns to get it.
>>71528744
>Isn't it worse to allow your own people to fall prey to their weaknesses when you could have straightened them out early on with some harsh discipline though?
Well I'd agree the outcome could very well be worse in the long run, I try and avoid consequentialist arguments because humans all have competing needs and so you can't have a completely coherent world view if you're a consequentialist, what benefits 1 person might make another suffer.
At the same time in more minor ways I would likely use force against someone in their best interest if I believed I knew the outcome of their actions was different to what they expect and stopping them with force. So I'd phsyically carry about an unconscious person from a burning building under the assumption that the use of force would be welcomed and hence not in violation of the NAP (force is only aggression if it's unwelcomed)
So i guess maybe I could see some form of force as possibly OK but it would probably have to result in at a later date the person agreeing that the force was actually welcomed in the long run. I don't know thats possible when it comes to political beliefs, the actions and consequences are just far too disconnected by time.
Yeah it's cruel to let people suffer from their own actions, and I'd make effort to educate someone I care about before they do something stupid, but I'd draw the line at using force.
It's hard to say how a libertarian society would turn out, the anarchocapitalist route really just promotes every man for himself mentality and that people only get back out of society what they put in. But I don't think it would ruin family units and local social circles, you can still have friends and do things for them out of kindness. Social "contracts" such as friendships and relationships are also kind of like insurance of sorts. And in a libertarian society people would be a lot more used to formal insurance to cover the costs of things the government would otherwise supply cont.
>>71513804
>video evidence she assaulted a police officer
>peaceful protester
>>71528960
Are you implying that any criticism of women means a man is gay? You're exactly what I was talking about in the first place. It's like you can't fathom women being any less than these perfect angels you were raised to think they were.
>>71528832
>Can we reasonable say that leftists are aggressing against us if they intend to get into power and suppress freedom themselves?
I think we definitely can, but it goes both ways. We're using force against them when we suppress their freedom in order to prevent them from spreading subversive ideas and they're using force against us when they suppress our freedom in order to prevent us from spreading our ideas.
It seems like we tend to think of the left and the right as two political factions within a society that will have a civilized discourse with each other, but it's nothing like that in reality. It's just pure tribalism dressed up with a veneer of civility, and even that is rapidly deteriorating as both factions get increasingly violent. They almost never debated with us in good faith, our adherence to our principles has historically caused us to lose to them over and over again as they see our enormous weakness and are all too eager to punch below the belt and fight as dirty as they can, and now things are getting to the point that we're literally beating each other and rioting in the streets. This is tribal fighting and as with all tribalism you need a dual system of moral behavior to deal with it. You have a set of rules for how you treat your ingroup and then a completely different set of rules, or lack thereof, for dealing with this hostile outgroup tribe.
This kind of fucks with our head because we're so used to thinking of morality in a much more universal way, but the left and also all of the notable non-white countries don't think like this at all. They're in a completely tribal ingroup - outgroup mode and they will dominate us in everything if we don't start to think in the same way because we have basically tied our hands behind our back. We're still thinking with this universal morality where we try to treat them as we would want to be treated and meanwhile they're going for our fucking throats because they think as a tribe.
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>>71529760
cont...
But I think in some cases that's a good thing, if you're used to insuring your own beaviour/actions and risk it means you don't need to rely on those around you for support and as such you get to be more picky about who you're friends with and how you judge the actions of others, that encourage people to be cooperative.
Been reading/watching David Freidman recently and his ideas about violence being the most expensive way of settling disputes would likely cause a libertarian society to be high trust to cause low transaction fees, since people are primarily motivated by value.
Such a society does need to be highly rational and well educated however, and I'd argue needs to have a certain minimum amount of technology to allow dissemination of information.
Obviously there's no rational discussion to be had with kids below a certain age, I think there's more moral ways to change behaviour (carrot rather than stick) and then reasoning comes later when they're capable of it.
I guess "help" is tricky word here, are you really helping someone even if they disagree with you that they are? It assumes that their goals and needs are the same as yours and presumably that they'd "see the light" after violence has been applied, rather than fight back and/or seek revenge.
You've definitely helped me challenge my position a lot, that's quite rare even in pol.
>>71530152
Yes, if men don't like women sexually or are misogynistic in general than there are basically just two options:
1. reveal that you prefer sex with men. This way you can continue being misogynistic and still have a good sex life.
2. become a trap with hormone replacement and eventually full gender reassignment surgery.
These are your only options, /pol/! Just accept it and adjust already.
Because women are a meme.
They don't actually stand for anything, they just stand around it because it's what everyone else does.
>>71513804
It's because of the extreme divide between liberal and conservative. Liberal is all about freedom, happiness, equality etc. for everyone. It's an ideal, a good one, but naive. It's also very easy, because you can never really be a bad person, or perceived as such, if you're liberal. So it's the default go-to choice for any sociable person who doesn't want to bother digging deeper and facing the hard questions.
Conservatives are all about denying things. They're all about telling people what they can't be, do, or think about. By default, they are control freaks who basically seek to suck the fun, the happiness and the freedom out of everything. As a sociable person, be prepared for a lot of conflict and a lot of hate and blame if you're a conservative.
Of course, conservative is also extremely necessary in real life, because life is far from as easy as just allowing everyone to do whatever they damn well please. Anarchy has never worked, and that's essentially what liberals strive for, they're just too damned naive to see it.
But yeah. Women are liberal because it's easy, because it doesn't require hard choices, because it doesn't require any logic, and because it supports their own needs and desires (see feminism). Many men are the same. Some, very few I imagine, are liberal for the right reasons: because ultimately, the world could use a lot more freedom of choice, and a lot more equality.
Conservatism is hard. Unlike liberals, you can't just spew stories of rainbows and unicorns with no facts, statistics or nasty truths to back them up. The conservatists are the definite underdogs and need to explain, prove and back up their actions every single step of the way. The fact that all the assholes side up there, doesn't help. Because the good conservatives are then automatically grouped up with the assholes, and then have to fight that prejudice in addition to having to work that much harder than liberals in the first place.
>>71513804
"Modern" values work in their favor.
>be whores
>take no personal responsibility
>have all the advantages of the old men and women relations
>but none of the downsides
>for example, using violence against men is ok but men defending themselves or taking the women down is not
>at the end of the day, pick a nice beta male, marry him and then destroy his life and take his assets followed by an alimony fueled fucking spree
Can you really blame them though? Of course they won't work if they don't have to. I would only do things I liked too if I could, but I'm a man so that's not how the world works for me.
It's up to men worldwide not to indulge their behavior, but until white knights get with the program before they become alimony slaves, there isn't much we can do about it except letting them know they're lazy whores.
>>71530281
You are either a salty bitter femanon that is triggered by this thread or a closet faggot that is projecting his gayness onto everyone else. Either way, you should kill yourself.
Why are femanons so entitled? They are 30 percent of this website yet they think they are immune to criticism. Go the fuck back to Plebbit if your fee fees are hurt.
>>71528262
>but you're a typical westerner that was raised to worship women, so you don't understand
How fucking dare you. You know fuck all about who I am and what I believe.
>>71514219
Nah, artificial wombs and sex robots will solve the woman problem soon enough. Just endure until they become wide-spread.
>woman's only use is vagina for reproduction
>replace woman's only use
>suddenly they get no special favors
True equality, maybe they'll become less insane over time hahaha I can't even type that with a straight face
>>71517857
>Haha, to whom?
da joos of course
>>71530163
It really seems a lot like what the right leaning ideologies are only authoritarian by necessity and not ideologically then, would that be fair? The threat of the left and ideas that are anti-freedom and basically degenerate is what causes the right to be prepared to use force (authoritarianism)
I do wonder with the progression of some libertarians to more fascist ideologies if it could be possible that without outside threats from other tribes and left leaning ideologies that they'd essentially become libertarian anyway.
I'm not convinced however that peaceful libertarian societies are incapable of defending themselves from outside tribes so I'm not sold on that argument alone. And it's certainly true the societies with low internal friction between people and high trust, would have greater technology advancement and put them in a better position to defend themselves.
>>71531035
This is an anonymous imageboard, you dumbass asswipe. I go off of what you are saying here. It's not your fault - guys are raised to worship women and they aren't even aware of their own biases. You don't understand how you're coming across here.
>>71531035
Your flag begs to differ, Sweden 2.0 now with more niggers
>>71531033
Femanons are so entitled because so many males have been brought up with vidya and porn, and consequently have puny non-functioning penises that stop them from being able to satisfy a woman any more. Many of these people congregate here to complain about how difficult modern women are. The truth is simply that biological degeneracy has set in and most of these males should be assigned to same-sex communities in order to live in faggotry or else simply have their small-non-functioning penises removed so they can operate as productive eunuchs and potentially as fluffers for males who are sexually potent.
>>71531151
Fuck you, shill.
>>71530560
Hah you what? Liberals aren't for freedom, of everyone they are the most guilty of crying to the government for them to use force.
In fact freedom and equality are necessarily opposite things which can't both exist because pure equality means denying freedom to some people, taking their assets or privilages and giving them to others without.
I don't have that view of conservatism, I think they know what systems work and don't like change unless it can be proven to be healthy and successful. But whatever they dislike it's never really expressed through the reduction in freedom, mostly just through society itself, shaming degeneracy etc, I don't see a lot of conservative ideology being executed through the state.
I do agree that liberalism doesn't require logic, its all appeals to emotion and that suits women by nature, it also fulfills their need for security.
It shows in all the clashes between trump and bernie/shillary supporters at rallies, the liberals turn up and literally disrupt, they blow whistles and chant and whatnot, and you see a lot more rational debate from the Trump side of things.
>>71531035
>>71529760
>>71530267
>Such a society does need to be highly rational and well educated however, and I'd argue needs to have a certain minimum amount of technology to allow dissemination of information.
I think this is the most important thing that it all boils down to in the end. For example, Freidman's ideas about violence being the most expensive way of settling disputes is only going to apply to a very small number of people because the overwhelming majority, and I'm speaking more in terms of the majority of the global population, is never going to internalize that. They might be able to intellectually understand it, but when their adrenaline is pumping and they're angry then only a very small number of people are going to do a cost-benefit analysis on whether or not they should attack. They're just going to feel angry and then attack.
I've talked to a lot of libertarians and I think that this is by far the issue that breaks most libertarians. I won't even say that libertarianism is a white thing because I don't think that even most types of whites are drawn to libertarianism. If I had to make a guess then I would say that libertarianism on an advanced level could only work in a 100% anglo-saxon society because anglo-saxons seem to have this autistic obsession with following rules while simultaneously being a little unsociable and wanting to have a lot of breathing room. For example, I don't think that an anglo-saxon could tolerate living in a densely populated Asian city. I think it would make him go insane because it's so opposite of his nature.
Based on the trend that I've been seeing with all of these disillusioned libertarians flooding into places like TRS and turning into fascists or white nationalists, it seems like the straw that always breaks the camel's back is when they realize that libertarianism is really just a white thing, and probably even more specifically an anglo-saxon thing.
>>71530281
>>71531242
God I love seeing these posts, its like watching a car driving off a cliff. You know the progression of the event every time and yet its still amusing.
>>71530281
>liking vagina means you want to listen to her nagging about her colleagues and how she hates all her friends
What
>>71527360
>>71522583
It's useless, you can't deconstruct the "fascism=evil".
The day fascism lost WW2, the day fascism was dead in the western world for the next 2 centuries.
It's their real nature and the current society allows it. Women who claim to be conservative are doing it because they see opportunity for their own personal gain. Women used to be well behaved because they were pressured by society and they had no choice but to conform or die. Now that women are considered equals they are showing their true nature.
