Why do communes succeed if collectivism doesn't work /pol/?
>succeed
>>71508609
they stinky poo poo
Also, obligatory.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nW0CaOY3v8w
>people who volunteer for communes want to do it
>still have a capitalist society to piggy back off of
>>71508726
i havent seen this in so long thanks for the laugh
>>71508726
>shut up you grape looking slut
god damn Aussie bantz come so natural
>>71508609
Drugs and being able to drive to a nearby grocery store for rice and beer make them work. That's all self sufficient though so captainism fails again. Feel the overnight.
>Harmony Korine raised in commune
>Parents disowned him for refusing to make Marxist propaganda
>Says he wants to make a movie about communes, "they aren't how people think they are"
>umbilical cord was cut by a famous heroin addict
>"they stuck shit up my rectum"
>>71508609
even if we assume they
>succeed
that by itself is controversial you are comparing two different things OP
communes are composed by willing individuals while the collective society is not
It works in very small societies where everyone knows each other.
Families are essential socialist institutions as well, where people are (ideally) helping each other without any thought of reward.
It doesn't work on a larger scale.
>>71508609
It's easier to cooperate within smaller groups of people rather than an entire national citizenry
>>71508726
thanks for reminding me of this video
>>71508889
the dude was a kiwi
my parents were in a co-op where they would take turns baby sitting each other kids.
why can't it be like 90s again?
>>71508609
>Communes that don't work
Hippie, new age types who don't have a single callus on their body
>Communes that work
Traditionalist Amish
>>71509077
well fuck off then cunt
>>71508609
Collectivism works in homogenious societies
>>71508931
>Jewish parents
EVERY TIME
>>71508609
Exactly this. Collectivism doesn't contemplate exterior forces/impact or domestic issues at a big scale.
That's why, when it comes to masses, collectivism needs ti evolve to something like nationalism. You cannot have collectivism without homogeneity.
>>71508609
I know some of these fuckers.
Some are actually cool and are normal people.
It all depends which commune you go to some are seriously SJW'd others don't give a fuck and actually work real jobs.
The SJW ones I always fuck with. It gives me entertainment while I'm high on free acid.
>>71508609
Is your image supposed to prove this?
>>71508609
communes "succeed" (for want of a better term) because everyone involved is a willing participant and free to leave the system at anytime
It's basically just living, self-sustaining, on a poverty level though. Assuming you can get most of what you need from the land, and people doing the work, it seems to work out of a strong will to "live off the land". Most people seem to be into that kind of stuff, and the off-grid movement, being as close to 100% self-reliant, all that not because of circumstance or need, but genuinely think of that way of life to be the more "smart", sustainable way to live without being reliant on any government or outside society.
On the proper land and resources, with the right intelligence, and family/people, that could be a very more psychologically and emotionally rewarding living experience than any other in my opinion.
>>71508609
They don't because it doesn't. Give me an example of one hippy commune that lasted more than a year or two and didn't end horribly.
>>71508609
See how many fugly dudes and just a few girls in that pic?
I guarantee you they all banged the same girls and when their crotches started to feel like they were on fire they went back to city life with medicine and doctors real fucking fast.
>>71509938
Is that a pile of dead hippies?
>>71510284
Men, women and children held at gunpoint and forced to drink cyanide laced koolaid.
>>71508609
communes can work in the micro level, think basic tribal system however in macro economics/societies it can fall apart.
>>71510681
Not held at gunpoint. They did it willingly.
There are recordings. Quite possibly the spookiest shit you will ever hear.
>>71510284
Look up the Jim Jones mass suicide. It's where the phrase 'drink the kool-aid' comes from.
>>71508609
Slavery works with low tech/iq societies
>>71509776
Preach it brother.
>>71508746
What else are you going to do? You're born in this country and you have to work hard to leave it. What shit countries would you rather they go to besides a capitalist one? At least they're fortunate enough to live off the land, and try their best to ignore it. I don't agree with their beliefs per se but it is true that they don't really have much of a choice when it comes to what country to choose.
>>71510284
>>71511302
>>71510681
It has nothing to do with hippies and by deliberately not including that you're deliberately misinforming someone.
>>71510284
Look up the audiotapes for Jonestown
It's haunting
Almost as bad as that video of the nightclub burning down with people piled in the doorway
Communes don't work because commies/socialists are lazy fucks who simply want others to work hard for them.
Studies of Sanders's supporters showed that they wouldn't be willing to pay extra tax.
Also because men are more capable of the heavy labouring required they tend to go back to traditional gender roles.
>communes
>succeed
>>71508609
Because they're not governing millions of distinct people with a wide variety of wants and needs across thousands of miles.
>>71508609
Excellent question. Without reading the thread I will summarise the prevailing winds in here.
>they don't wear deoderant
>>71508609
communism will only work if every single person involved is willing to participate, if not, enter KGB
>>71513097
What is small scale big scale. Gold backed yuan nigger. Communism is about to raep us
>>71512989
Communes and communism isn't the same fucking thing retards.
Communes are voluntary collectives. Communism is involuntary collectivism. They are practically polar opposites.
Many people enjoy living in communes. Most communes are religious.
As someone else in the thread pointed-out, there isn't a significant difference between someone "joining a commune", and someone who intends to "live off the grid", especially if they are doing so with family and friends.
It is, for the most part, about being as self-sufficient as possible, and removing yourself from the rest of the society, communes are fundamentally "anti-materialism" in nature.
Which is the exact opposite of forced collectivism, which is just materialism and slavery.
>>71508726
Fucken Straya cunt
>>71509008
>Grape Looking Slut
>>71508609
They don't.
t. John Smith
>>71508609
Dunbar's number
/thread
>>71508609
They don't.
Communes don't succeed. There's a reason Israel stopped with the Kibbutz shit after it fell apart.
Thinking you can create a modern civilized society without a free market economy is retarded delusion.
>>71508609
modern day communes don't work, but I expect them to work when shit hits the fan and all modern luxuries are gone.
People will be forced to work together within a small group. As time goes on and the group becomes bigger I assume that villages will be created.
Ofcourse the switch commune to village is like switching from collectivism to capitalism.
But what do I know. Anyone got some good read on how tribes/communes evolved to bigger communities and became villages and eventually citystates?
>>71513524
>Dunbar's number
Exactly.
Its basically just a form of primitive tribalism. Which is basically the social structure humans evolved from.
The problem is, without large-scale production, you're going to live in basically extreme poverty. And you'll need to find a way to buy land, and pay the taxes on it.
>>71508609
Dude don't even fucking act like those places are chill. I'm from northern ca and I know hippies and communes and little hippy dens give me the creeps. I'm a liberal dudeweedlmao as well
>>71513775
>Thinking you can create a modern civilized society without a free market economy is retarded delusion.
WTF are you on about?
There has never existed a "free-market economy", ever. There has existed a "market economy". Norway doesn't have a fucking free-market. It has a regulated economy with a fiat currency. You have effectively the same economy as China(just a different political system).
The problem with the Kibbutz, and other types of communes, is a matter of "scale". You can't have a modern economy without massive cities, millions of workers, toiling away in factories and service jobs, and a banking system for the massive investment needed to build all of this.
These types of collectives only work for small-scale agriculture, with very little trade.
>>71514108
>a free market *must* mean a completely unregulated Ayn Rand-tier laissez-faire system
wew lad
>>71508609
these collectivist communes exist within the territory of a successful capitalistic nation
>>71514184
A free market means exactly what the fucking words mean, a free fucking market.
As my friend used to say, "No one has any fucking clue what anything actually costs, because the prices of everything are manipulated by government intervention. From subsidies, to tax credits, to the machinations of the banking system, injecting capital with below-market interest rates."
This entire world is manipulated, it is impossible to even know what a loaf of bread really costs. The wheat is subsidized, fuel prices are manipulated, same with everything else.
We have a regulated market, a competitive market, but not a free market. It is the competition that makes the market work
>>71514435
Competition implies *some* kind of freedom.
Just because every good is manipulated by the government in some way or the other before it ends up in a supermarket, does not mean that you as an individual are not free to start a business and try to succeed within the framework.
Even though I agree with you, there's no reason to be so fucking pedantic about the word "free".
>>71514602
>Competition implies *some* kind of freedom.
Slave-nations could be competing with each other. The only freedom then, would be the fact that there was more than one slave-nation.
Your definition of a free-market is fucking stupid. Any economist will tell you, there has NEVER in the history of the Earth existed a free-market, short of the absence of all government.
When an economist like Milton Friedman talks about our economy, he will refer to it as "competitive capitalism". It is the competition that makes it work.
Don't ever call this shit of a system a free-market. It confuses morons, like yourself.
>>71510284
Mainly uneducated christian niggers.
>>71508889
ITS A FUCKING NEW ZEALANDER
STOP STEALING OUR MEMES U AUSSIE FUCKS
>>71514811
You really do sound like some butthurt Objectivist.
>>71514880
American's can barely tell the difference between british and Australian. Don't take it to heart.
>>71508609
they are voluntary
>>71514602
>pedantic about the word "free"
If you aren't pedantic about it, then you destroy its entire fucking meaning. At what point does an economy stop being free? Only when it is a complete command economy with no trade?
>>71508609
Because they're small enough to know each other
Not doing their part means being socially ostracized, which means you might as well kill yourself
The same isnt true for entire fucking nations
Holy fuck leftists are this stupid
God damn its like im really 13 again
>>71514880
It's like us not being able to tell the difference between yanks and syrup niggers
>>71508609
because the people in those small, tight-knit communes are all passionate supporters of collectivist ideology.
>>71508609
They never work on a large scale. They can work very well with a small tightly knit community that way they can police the lazy bumbs and tell them to straighten up or GFTO. http://freebeacon.com/politics/bernie-sanders-asked-leave-hippie-commune/
>>71508609
Because they are incredibly small communities of fanatics that actually WANT to live that way. It takes exactly one determined individual to break a system like that.
For governing the masses the only working methods are totalitarian dictatorship and going for the lowest common denominator and that's pretty much what we are doing right now.
>>71512636
The Station night club fire, fuck man. I remember watching it a few years ago and I hate being in crowded buildings now. I always find myself looking for fire exits when I enter a building too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOzfq9Egxeo
>>71515014
Calm down I think OP is trolling.
>>71515097
Even the ones who really aren't, just wash out and go home. It becomes nothing but a group of "true-believers".
Which is why most of them are basically off-the-grid/environmentalists, or they are religious fundamentalists. In both cases, they are "anti-materialism".
They basically want to live like they did hundreds, if not thousands of years ago.
>>71508609
People are still protecting their separate interests in a commune. Like-minded people who have the same goal will work together. Otherwise, they will simply move to pursue their own interests.
>>71514992
I'd say personally, that the point is when doing voluntary business is basically impossible for the individual.
>>71511302
I heard a Joke about Jonestown...
Can't remember it all...
The punch line was too long...
>>71515382
>>71514946
Fuck that triggers me when I hear Americans doing an "Awesome Australian accent" that turns out to be a shitty fucking British accent.
![into-the-trash-it-goes[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/KOGD517.png "into-the-trash-it-goes[1].png")
>>71515276
I'm glad you can form your own opinions. I'm seriously starting to dislike the Norwegians on this board.
Never had a good experience with one. All that oil money seems to be fucking them up in the head.
>>71515432
say dingo or kangaroo and we'll usually put it together
or challenge someone to knifey spooney
>>71510284
Dindus and coal burners. A ton of whites actually left before it got too dicey.
Because they're homogenous (generally) both culturally and ideologically. Socialism / Collectivism works fine in small numbers, shit i'd wager 90% of mankinds existence has been collectivist, from tribes to towns, for tens of thousands of years.
It just doesn't work in cities, kingdoms or countries. Ironically, too big to succeed.
>>71515473
>words have objective meanings
>I am the authority on what a word means
>ONLY a market without ANY regulations is "free"
Fuck off you pedantic niggerkike.
>>71508609
Voluntary participation among a smaller group of people who can be monitored much more easily.
Because they live in countries with large armies and police forces that will protect them.
>>71515646
Bullshit, I hear Americans talking about dingos eating their babies in a stereotypical "fancy spo'tea guvnah" voice.
>>71508609
No-one wants anything because no-one has anything.
>>71508609
communes work until the wimmin take over
>>71515230
this is some good stuff. more like this please
