Why have Mexican citizens not started a civel war of some sort yet? Mexico has basically become a shithole run by the cartels and an openly corrupt Government. Why do the people stand for this instead of actively trying to make their nation a better place to live? Let's face it, the upcoming war with the U.S. Is going to be the best thing to happen to Mexico in a long time.
>>71499153
>Why have Mexican citizens not started a civel war of some sort yet?
no gunz
cuz dey mexicans
>>71499153
The same reason you don't
Revolutions are dirty and if history taught me anything it's that the replacement is usually worse
too lazy, and they rather leave everything up to the Virgenzita.
Because they're not with their backs against the wall. They have America as an escape plan that will take care of them.
Due to our invasion problem, their problems go on to build up and fuck us up. It hasn't erupted yet but it's poison is getting more and more noticeable every day.
>>71499153
No guns and the capable ones all leave.
>>71499414
>no guns
is this a joke?
>>71499239
>>71499318
>>71499322
>>71499333
>>71499350
All this is true. Trust me I'm Mexican
>>71499441
15 per 100
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country
>>71499441
>he doesn't know about Mexican gun control
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Mexico
>>71499153
Mexico's history is extremely chaotic. Mexico has had several revutions. None came anywhere close to English common law thinking, so they were just violent elections within a consistent larger system.
>>71499322
>Revolutions are dirty
And violent.
Maybe Mexico might improve if the war on drugs ended and the cartels got defunded?
>>71499153
It's easier to be beaners and just use up the greatest country in the world which is next door to them.
Beaner blood is the same as nigger blood. They are just stupid, inbred people who cry racist about everything when they don't get their way.
They are way too much of pussies to fight for their country. Raping and murdering innocent people is more their motive.
>>71499153
They're already in a civil war, what do you think the Cartels are? The Cartels are moving to establish a government as controlled as possible, and individual cartels fight each other over territory.
>>71499541
>Mexican Gun control
>>71499690
There was also an armed popular uprising like a year ago that was put down by the government, so even beyond the notion that cartels are sponsored factions in a civil war mexico already is in a state of general insurrection.
>>71499153
They have tried.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzalpuffwFI
The Mexican government is 100% completely corrupt, right down to the military. Army helicopters have been filmed firing on innocent farmers for being too close to cartel bases of operations and there's nothing the people can do. If they try fighting back, they are kicked out of town by the military or they are simply killed. The cartels are too powerful and too rich. The only hope for Mexico is if the USA legalizes meth and heroine, eliminating the market demand for illegal drugs and neutering the cartels. This is clearly not going to happen. Therefore, Mexico is permanently fucked.
>>71499153
We don't care enough.
We care to only to bitch and complain but not to take actions.
Mexico has never cared about their lands...
A good start for their citizens would be get their hands on some guns somehow and ambush known cartel members while leaving rivel gangs signs on the ambush area as to help the cartels kill each other faster along with the freedom fighters of Mexico if such a fantasy world existed.
>>71499322
We've done pretty well with replacement government's post revolutions so far.
>>71499153
They starting "manana"
>>71499153
Because the Mexicans who want something better and are willing to risk dying for it, just come here to America instead. We are a pressure release valve for the corrupt Mexican regime to stay in power.
Mexicanos, al grito de Guerra
El acero , aprestad y el bridón,
y retiemble en sus centros la tierra.
Al sonoro rugir del cañón (repetir segunda estrofa)
Primera estrofa
Ciña Patria tus sienes de oliva!
De la paz del arcángel divino,
Que en el cielo tu eterno destino
Por el dedo de Dios se escribió
Mas si osare un extraño enemigo
Profanar con sus plantas tu suelo
Piensa Oh Patria querida! Que el cielo
Un soldado en cada hijo te dió.
Mexicanos, al grito de Guerra
El acero , aprestad y el bridón
y retiemble en sus centros la tierra
Al sonoro rugir del cañón.
Segunda estrofa
Guerra, guerra sin tregua al que intente
De la Patria manchar los blasones!
Guerra, guerra! Los patrios pendones,
En las olas de sangre empapad.
Guerra, guerra! En el monte, en el valle
Los cañones osonos que truenen,
Y los ecos sonoros suenen
Con las voces al unísono de Libertad!
Mexicanos, al grito de Guerra
El acero , aprestad y el bridón
y retiemble en sus centros la tierra
Al sonoro rugir del can.
Tercera estrofa
Antes, patria, que inermes tu hijos
Bajo el yugo su cuello dobleguen
Tus campiñas con sangre se rieguen
Sobre la sangre se estampe su pie.
Y tus templos, palacios y torres
Se derrumben con horrido estruendo,
Y sus ruinas existan diciendo
De mil héroes la patria aquí fue.
Mexicanos, al grito de Guerra
El acero , aprestad y el bridón
y retiemble en sus centros la tierra.
Al sonoro rugir del cañón.
Cuarta estrofa
Patria! Patria! Tus hijos te juran
Exhalar en tus aras su aliento,
Si el clarin con su bélico acento,
Los convoca a lidiar con valor.
Para ti las guirnaldas de oliva!
Un recuerdo para ellos de gloria!
Un laurel para ti de victoria!
Un sepulcro para ellos de honor!
Mexicanos, al grito de Guerra
El acero aprestad y el bridón
y retiemble en sus centros la tierra.
Al sonoro rugir del cañón.
>>71500075
Honestly the US is a very notable exception. Most of history provides examples where most of the time revolutions lead to the same shit. Mexico literally had several dictators in the span on several years from revolutions.
>>71500682
That's because our revolution was led by wealthy, well-educated white landowners. Funnily enough, so was the Texas revolution which was also very successful.
>>71500541
English mother fucker....do you speak it?
>>71500774
What if they set their nation up exactly like the U.S.? Same election system same constitutional rights and same political system? It's proven to be a successful form of government.
>>71499153
Every revolution or uprising that Mexico has fought the bad guys win, the liberals, or whatever. They have shit luck. They have no power to fight anymore.
>>71500793
Mexicans, at the cry of war,
make ready the steel and the bridle,
and may the Earth tremble at its centers
at the resounding roar of the cannon.
and may the Earth tremble at its centers
at the resounding roar of the cannon!
Let gird, oh Motherland!, your brow with olive
by the divine archangel of peace,
for in heaven your eternal destiny
was written by the finger of God.
But if some enemy outlander should dare
to profane your ground with his sole,
think, oh beloved Motherland!, that heaven
has given you a soldier in every son.
War, war without quarter to any who dare
to tarnish the coats of arms of the country!
War, war! Let the national banners
be soaked in waves of blood.
War, war! In the mountain, in the valley,
let the cannons thunder in horrid unison
and may the sonorous echoes resound
with cries of Union! Liberty!
O, Motherland, ere your children, defenseless
bend their neck beneath the yoke,
may your fields be watered with blood,
may their foot be printed in blood.
And may your temples, palaces and towers
collapse with horrid clamor,
and may their ruins continue on, saying:
Of one thousand heroes, here the Motherland began.
Motherland! Motherland! your children swear to you
to breathe their last for your sake,
if the bugle with its bellicose accent
calls them together to battle with courage.
For you, olive wreathes!
A memory for them of glory!
For you, a laurel of victory!
A tomb for them of honor!
I highly doubt it would ever happen but if the Mexican Government was somehow not corrupt it might not be a bad idea to pay another nation in natural resorses or gold to act as a military force until they are able to get a foothold of everything as the Cartels as this point almost run Mexico. Hell even American/German mercenaries as hey could at least be trusted and would likely be cheaper. Hell I'd volunteer to aid the fight on the cartels for the Mexican Government.
>>71499153
>revolution
>fighting cartels.
pick one
drugs need to be legalized in the US and Mexico, the only reason cartels exist is because large quantities of drugs in a black market require organizations like cartels to fight for trafficking routes in order to distribute them
you're a mouthbreather if you actually believe throwing more bodies and money at a problem that can't be solved through violence will help
>>71502097
This is why Mexico is the way it is.
>>71502246
Exactly, we shouldn't have attempted to solve the cartel issue with a war on drugs. It's an utter sham just like the alcohol prohibition days in the US.
Your military industrial complex and banks sure love it though.
>>71502097
Legalizing weed is one thing but hard drugs is what the problem is and the U.S. Will never legalize them and they shouldn't. The Cartels have literally nothing to be afraid of besids earning too much money to stash away. Sometimes making a stand is what's needed. They need to feel some sense of danger and need to be cracked down on hard or it'll never stop.
>>71502401
The Mexican people should be counting down the days until the next Mexican American war like a kid would Christmas.
>>71502401
Call me crazy, but I think the war on drugs could actually be won, if we ever got serious about winning it. We could win if we took the gloves off and really got ruthless about it.
Reminds me of two scenes in The Untouchables. Knowing where the booze is wasn't the problem. It's finding anyone with the stones to do what needs to be done.
>He pulls a knife, you pull a gun.
>He sends one of yours to the hospital, you send one of his to the morgue!
>>71499153
>>71499153
Since its conquest, the leaders have established a culture of conquer, rape, pillage, and enslavement with the church. The masses are kept stupid w/soap operas, futbol and blind ritualistic faith. The top 1% run the cartels and the cartels run the country. The Mexican Kingpin is former president Carlos Salinas. His godson is the current president.
>>71502566
>Legalizing weed is one thing but hard drugs is what the problem is and the U.S. Will never legalize them and they shouldn't.
Logically, if you support the legalization of one substance, you should support the legalization of other substances, for instance, eating a shitload of shit tier food in the US causes way more deaths than heroin or cocaine could, yet, I don't see you campaigning for the government to limit the consumption of food.
You should off yourself if you call yourself an American while you limit the freedom of your own kind.
>The Cartels have literally nothing to be afraid of besids earning too much money to stash away. Sometimes making a stand is what's needed. They need to feel some sense of danger and need to be cracked down on hard or it'll never stop.
People will just keep replacing the cartels heads like it happens now, there is simply too much money in the business (thanks to it being illegal, if I may add!).
What we would see is just further counter productive bloodshed at a bigger scale because you're afraid 2 year old babies might get hooked on coke.
Start a civil war? hahahahahahahaha
We are not Arabs nor Brazilians.
Oue economy is ok. We just have drug lords in 7/ states. The rest of the country is nice.
>>71502097
the yellow American media thinks that we are burning like Syria hahahahahahahhaha
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syJvZlN45Uw
>>71502871
The war on drugs as it currently stands hasn't even put a dent on drug addiction/trafficking, as a matter of fact, it has continued growing along with the population. I don't think your edgy hypothetical scenarios would make any difference.
>>71499153
a civil war? kek
why da fuk would we do something like that?, we are just ok, maybe not USA-tier, but it's fine, a civil war would put us to some somalia state
>>71503115
Face it hard drugs will never be legal in the U.S. This is a civilized country and most Americans don't want crack/meth addicts running around and in America majority rules.
>>71503274
Keep telling yourself that. This is the precise reason Mexico is in need of American intervention.
>only 7 drug lords
>>71503705
he's refering to only 7 states
guerrero
veracruz
sinaloa
baja california norte
tamaulipas
tabasco
jalisco
and, yes, pls come and help if possible
>>71503459
Believe me annon, an American invasion would destroy the corrupt system set in place and would make things very difficult for the Cartels should they choose to fight or hide.
>>71502401
WAHHH MEXICO IS SHIT BECAUSE AMERICA
Get over it and solve your own fucking problems.
>>71503856
At this point it would make more sense for the cartel big shots to keep the money and fancy lifestyle they have and retire.
>>71499153
because all of the rebellious ones illegally came to the us.
where the fuck have you been
>>71499153
Another fine reason to build a wall. We don't need another 20 million refugees.
>>71504339
With the grunts not being paid anymore they wouldn't have any reason to fight. That might solve most of the problem all together.
>>71504094
that is a strawman
>a problem of international nature couldn't possibly be influenced by both of the parties involved, America dindunuffin
lick that government boot some more
>>71503856
You can't even control your own border and coasts, let alone patrol a fuckload of mountainous territory,which is where cartels are located mostly.
Cue in the authoritarian bootlicker who thinks that interventions like Iraq 2.0 on the backyard of America would actually be good for the country kek
>>71499153
Because subhumans LIKE corruption. It's in their brown little monkey brains. They don't think like whites or hold the same values as whites. This is important to realize.
>>71500057
>and then have all your family killed
Funny watching some american pussies who have never even had a fist fight try to tell you what to do with your life
>>71504643
actually the mongol is right
the problem here is the fucking corruption, solve that and you'll have a paradise, the biggest problem is that you have to kill the 80% of the mexicans
>>71499153
What the fuck are you talking about? no one thinks about any revolution unless they are sjw commies or anarchists. We are busy building shit
>run by the cartels
>people actually believe this
>the upcoming war with the U.S.
Ahaha AHAHAHA do you even commerce? really?
>>71503705
>Face it hard drugs will never be legal in the U.S.
I didn't say it was possible in the near future,I said it's the most appropriate plan one could take and get good results. There is a trend towards legalization of drugs, some day it will happen.
>This is a civilized country and most Americans don't want crack/meth addicts running around and in America majority rules.
They're already running around even if drugs are illegal, just look at some of your own cop reality shows and you'll find the fact of America you don't want to see, you're the biggest consumer of drugs in the world and drugs are heavily part of your own culture. Making drugs legal does not guarantee that your addiction rates will increase, as seen in the example of Portugal.
>>71504803
got out of school suspension four times for fist fighting my brother
suck it bean-a-lean
>>71504600
That because America hasn't devoted that much to defending the boarder as of yet. Believe me when I say in a time along war nobody will be making it across that boarder and remember this wouldn't be a war caught on the other side of the world, it's a boarder war with America. There would literally be nowhere to hide and the fear of invasion would scare the American people thus giving the military tons more wiggle room than they have already. It would be a massacre for any resistance and remember these aren't crazy religious towel heads who will happily fight knowing they'll die.
>>71505013
I beat up some dude 1 month ago and he still has both eyes bruised and a crooked nose, trust me american fights where you both slap each other dont count
>>71505060
>That because America hasn't devoted that much to defending the boarder as of yet.
>65,000 people employed + navy + drones + coast guard
>a fuckload of billions spent
it isn't the fact that it's a logistical nightmare to control such a huge border and coast, it's because you haven't spent or tried something hard enough right?
> Believe me when I say in a time along war nobody will be making it across that boarder and remember this wouldn't be a war caught on the other side of the world, it's a boarder war with America. There would literally be nowhere to hide and the fear of invasion would scare the American people thus giving the military tons more wiggle room than they have already. It would be a massacre for any resistance and remember these aren't crazy religious towel heads who will happily fight knowing they'll die.
oh, you're actually this deluded, how old are you? if you're not old what is your excuse for these armchair general scenarios?
>>71505000
>Mexican space program
>>71505523
>Mexican space program
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agencia_Espacial_Mexicana
>>71505124
I'm glad I don't live in a third world country.
>>71505640
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agencia_Espacial_Mexicana
>The Mexican Space Agency (Spanish: Agencia Espacial Mexicana, AEM) is the national space agency of Mexico, established in July 2010. The agency does not have infrastructure,
>no infrastructure
>>71505650
me too tbqh lad
>>71503815
What the hell, what about Michaocan??
>>71505473
>implying the U.S. can't protect the boarder if really needed
>Implying the Cartels could put up some sort of fight against the U.S. Military
I don't think I'm the one deluted and I'd estimate two years max before this war happens. Anyone with a brain can see it coming miles away.
Why can't non-whites maintain any sort of stable society?
It's communist revolution, socialistic revolution, capitalist revolution, dictator, dictator, dictator
>>71499153
> Mexico
> Ran by cartels
Is this what Americans really believe? That Colombia or Mexico are nothing but Narco states?
Its like saying that Italy is ran by Mafia or Syria by Assad. Cartels mostly operate in very sparsely populated North and major trafficking pathways.
>>71505952
Parts of mexico are absolutely narco states.
>>71505897
Short term planning + lack of proper time orientation + low impulse control + culture
It's like a mixture of genetics and bad culture. All the smart ones leave during the American brain drain then suddenly all the shitty ones followed right after when the secret was revealed.
>>71505817
Michoacan is now ruled by "jalisco nueva generacion" cartel and it's... yes, you guessed right, from jalisco
>>71506021
>Narco states
they practice Narco-capitalism
>>71499153
>Why have Mexican citizens not started a civel war of some sort yet?
Because mexicans are lazy.
>>71504094
> Solve your own problems
hurr America is shit because of mexicans
Burgers are surely retarded
>>71505830
>>implying the U.S. can't protect the boarder if really needed
So, you expect me to prove a negative, or what?
Since you are claiming that you CAN, then go ahead and prove it with objective evidence rather than nebulous patriotic statements.
I think the correct way of saying it is 'border', perhaps you should open a dictionary sometime.
>>Implying the Cartels could put up some sort of fight against the U.S. Military
a bunch of goat herders in the plain mountains gave them a fight of years, now imagine what better equipped people in bushy mountains could do
>muh armchair general tactics
>I don't think I'm the one deluted and I'd estimate two years max before this war happens. Anyone with a brain can see it coming miles away.
you would know what is like to have a brain, I'm sure.
>>71500541
>mexicans
>belonging in utah as rightful clay
FUCK
OFF
WE'RE
FULL
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>71506021
Ahaha dude, "cartels" or whatever do not occupy or hold territory, they transport their drugs in secret and stay out of sight.
>>71506238
>the U.S. And Mexico aren't at war yet
>those goat herders are supplied by Russians and aren't afraid of dying and aren't facing 1% the full wrath of America as its on the other side of the globe and not a border war.
>>71505952
> believe
> Implying it's not a fact.
>>71505952
Cartels mostly operate in very sparsely populated North and major trafficking pathways.
THIS, at last, someone get it.
>>71506455
>implying it is
everyone here would be working for the cartels instead of shoot those fuckers at sight
>>71506029
Doesn't that mean killing off the cartel will do nothing to help the Mexican society? They act like the Cartels are just a temporary problem, but they just might be a manifestation of that type of society.
>>71506878
they have been here for just 80 years, 80 years of the whole country history, it's not like they have been around here since the beggining
>>71507078
I don't mean that. I mean what we call the cartels is just a type of criminal underclass which will always exist.
You could eliminate them, but new criminals will just pop up, and the overall crime rate will remain the same. The problems of Mexican society may be rooted in genetics
>>71505473
>logistical nightmare
Keep using that same old repetitive media talkpoint.
>Trump elected
>Offer Americans 50 dollars per illegal immigrant they report as keeping them here costs 700,000 per person
>logistical paradise
>there are so many different ways we can kick paco out, so be a good burger and make sure paco goes back to taco.
There was one in the south last year.
Government fucked them up.
You faggot burgers arming and buying from the cartels doesn't help either.
>>71507346
To tell you the truth this is what I really care about. I really wish The Japanese and Mexican people could swap nations or something. Bringing freedom to Mexico seems like a lost cause at this point but since this is reality it's the only way.
>>71507513
Imagine just being maybe a day's drive away from Tokyo. Life would be Amazing.
>>71507654
>days
>>71507193
it's called bussiness, they have something to sell and someone wants to buy it, if it's illegal they're persecuted or killed, if they have competence they just make them dissapear, in the cartels the traditional trading rules apply, but in medieval-tier
>>71507193
>and the overall crime rate will remain the same. The problems of Mexican society may be rooted in genetics
>talking out of my ass
>ignore all history before and after the revolution
The so called cartels grew in power at the same rate your country started to consume so much drugs. The moment the demand of drugs disappears they disappear. They had a lot of help from your money, obama's guns (operation fast and furious, ATF gunwalking scandal) and intelligence agencies meddling. They are not the all powerful entities you believe they are.
>>71507513
This would work out for both sides as I'm positive Russia wouldn't tolerate the Mexican governments shenanigans and Their would be no boarder to escape.
>>71507976
Fucking spellcheck
>there
>>71507874
So let's just say the Mexican people had a choice to vote for the wall although we both know that would never happen. Would that mean that you would vote to have it in place?
>>71507874
Take your time..
>>71508286
>>71508559
not the taco you're refering but yeah, we need a wall, the best neighbors have a good wall between them
>>71508790
That would explain the Berlin wall
>>71509022
That was totally different circumstances.
>>71508286
What wall? do you believe that demagoguery/media stunt? I swear your politicians say outlandish crap the same way ours do. Build it if you can, it is a trap for your own country not mine.
https://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2012/05/27/agenda-21-population-control-map-for-usa/
>"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it
>>71509022
the berlin wall didn't separate two different countries m8
>>71509147
So is this your sly way of saying you are against the wall?
>>71509147
I knew Mexicans were sneaky but I didn't expect this.
>>71509450
>>71509199
Again, what wall? Do you understand that no wall of any kind will be built? Your nwo kike overlords will never agree to this.
>>71509450
Oi vey, hello Chaim
http://www.channelingreality.com/nau/La_Paz_Agreement.htm
>>71509978
Nobody trusts you, you've already been exposed.
>>71510161
Ahaha exposed about what? that I don't believe in demagoguery? You will understand what I meant in the near future.
>>71511837
Get in here
