In the next 2 decades, self driving cars will replace millions of human drivers, checkouts at supermarkets will not require humans, WalMarts and McDs will be robotized, stores won't need humans, farms will be run by machines only etc.
Only a fraction of people are smart enough to do jobs that can't be robotized away. As a result, we are already facing the beginning of mass unemployment as a result of robotization. This will intensify over the next decades.
How will capitalism survive amid societies full of unemployed and a handful of rich people?
>>71451476
Easy, kill a lot of people.
Lel, I just gonna destroy as many robots as I want.
They cannot harm human anyway
Human>robot
Go defend your woman, not mankind Hans
>>71451616
This. If we don't kill the unemployed, they'll just bitch. Apparently it's our fault that they didn't spent a portion of their free time picking up a 'plan B' skill. They whine and they get violent and they elect some neo-communist prick.
>>71451616
This DESU. FEMA camps and the mass killing of people in the USA will work. Chattel slaves of the survivors will be used for robot maintenance. Only the very rich will be jobless.
>>71452135
>>71452088
>>71451616
You are proving Marx's point right here.
Bring the class war, I know I'll be ready.
>>71451942
>They cannot harm human anyway
you've been watching too many movies. Wait till they replace police officers.
>>71451942
>LITERALLY a luddite
>>71451476
The unemployed will eventually have to stop being so lazy
>>71451476
The only thing that can entirely end capitalism is mass automation, energy so cheap and plentiful that it is effectively free, and something akin to replicators from Star Trek. If even one of those is missing you leave room for some form of capitalism to continue existing.
Right now we are on the brink of a world that has the first two, you can maintain a capitalist system with a Universal Basic Income system. Things could keep going as normal until some asshole invents Replicators.
>>71452326
>>71452469
Do you even know First Law of Robotics?
>Wait till they replace police officers
yeah, you have been watching too much Futurama.
Take all non-STEM useless shitters and shoot them in the back of their head. Or even better, just leave. Pack all of your shit and leave. Leave to a man made island or on a giant ship or something, and let the useless hugbox circlejerk echo chamber students of humanities, women studies, philosophy and other useless bullshit that doenst produce anything, let them all just starve to death and than come back. Speed up the process with a virus or a missile or some other STEM thing to make it not take for ever and done.
>>71451476
>cost of production goes down due to robots
>cost of products goes down so they can sell more shit
>its now much easier to be poor
thanks based robots
>>71451476
>In the next 2 decades, self driving cars will replace millions of human drivers
Pipedream, it's going to take a lot of brainwashing to make people want to give up their motorcycles and joy rides
>>71451476
Lernt man sowas bei den Geisteswissenschaftlern?
>>71452534
>The unemployed will eventually have to stop being so lazy
It is not a question of being lazy. It is a question of being stupid and/or unskilled.
What jobs are there that cannot be robotized in the next decades? Medical doctors? Maybe. Lawyers? Probably. Physicists? Likely.
But how many people have the potential to be medical doctors, lawyers and scientists?
People will create new jobs.
That's the beauty of the free market, it will always provide a way.
>>71452948
Replacing every trucker in the country with a self-driving big rig is no pipedream.
>>71452948
I think you misunderstand what he means. All of the jobs driving creates, your taxi drivers, truck drivers, bus drivers. All these people will be out of a job because using a self-driving will be cheaper. You may not personally switch to one but the commercial driving realm will be dominated by them.
>>71452673
I disagree. We don't need replicators unless we're somewhere that does not have physical resources. We're able to support out population's with relative ease now and the level to which we waste and are inefficient is obscene. With far more efficient robots working 24/7, that don't have to take the time to learn new skills, that don't have a risk of injury, serious or otherwise and don't stop working, don't complain, don't slow down, don't strike. Imagine that ina system that creates new ones at an increasing pace. The truth of the matter is a post-scarcity system isn't difficult. Of course there will be some resources that will be limited and there will always be some form of capital. But many resources, food, construction materials, etc, will be limitless, perhaps even in our lifetimes. We don't need no replicators.
>>71452948
This.
>>71453105
No, it is a question of being lazy. If you aren't lazy, you can find a job, end of story.
>>71451476
We employ millions of retards doing menial tasks like cleaning the streets, cleaning the environment, specialized manufacturing.
Not much different than what we do now.
>>71453123
>People will create new jobs
How do you know that
Are you a prophet?
>>71452673
>The only thing that can entirely end capitalism is mass automation
it has started decades ago. Only 10% of American GDP is from manufacturing and farming today. The vast majority of people are not employed in making goods or food.
>energy so cheap and plentiful that it is effectively free
Energy prices are already tanking everywhere. Robotization is playing a key role in reducing energy prices further and furhter.
> and something akin to replicators from Star Trek.
Guess how many Americans work full time in agriculture, i.e. producing crops, raising lifestock and catching fish? Yes, less than 0.2%. We basically already have "replicators", they are claled machines and they produce food by growing it.
Guaranteed minimum income
/thread
>>71452865
>>its now much easier to be poor
If 90% of the population is unemployed. How will you support them? Will they all be on welfare? IF so, isn't this - considering you just mention cheap products - the end of capitalism?
>>71451476
It won't survive , as the wealthy grow fewer the masses grow stronger
>>71453105
You are thinking way too narrow minded here.
10 years ago nobody would have imagined someone making a living streaming videogames, much less making millions like some youtubers are.
Same can be said for many jobs out there.
The world will probably be even more degenerate because more people will produce more fucked up porn and 'art', we will invent another couple of layers of useless government bureaucracy...
We'll find a way.
>>71453474
>give liberal retards free money
>spend it on retarded shit thats non-automated
>make non-automated services richer
>government either taxes them to shit or prints more money to support UBI.
>totally not communism
fuck off retard.
>>71451476
Robot tax
>>71453007
>Lernt man sowas bei den Geisteswissenschaftlern?
Nope, technische Informatik.
>>71452948
>>71453201
Rubbish. All truck drivers, all taxi drivers, couriers, planes, boats, etc will be rendered automated. Will there be shitstains that will drive cars themselves? Yes, without a doubt. But that doesn't have any effect on the economic matters that he was referring to. It is no pipe dream, just a barely over the horizon reality.
>>71453123
You see the problem with that thinking is simple: the idea that there are non-creative thinking jobs that cannot be done cheaper and better by computers. The % of the population that is in easily automated services, industry and food production is too high. There is no reaosn to assume that the free market will replace hundreds of millions of soon to be redundant jobs that fast. In the meantime thousands will be jobless and restless and your system will be either removed or changed so much as to be unrecognizable.
But that's a good thing
Practically every job will demand high qualifications so only cultured read people with studies will survive while dumb people will die of starvation
There's no need for a race war,technology will save us all
>>71452814
We experienced the greatest period of peace thanks to the culmination of spending on liberal arts and celebration of it.
Cull the meek.
Meek being niggers, illegal immigrants and welfare parasites who couldn't hold a job to save their life.
>>71451476
>How will capitalism survive amid societies full of unemployed and a handful of rich people?
It won't. Economics isn't a study of history, or natural laws. It advances.
Should I learn about robotics? Is math required?
>>71453196
What I mean is that until we have something like Replicators, capitalism can more or less continue to exist in a world where the vast majority of human labor is worthless. People will have products to sell, and people will want to buy them.
Throw Replicators into the mix though, and its game over for capitalism. Nothing has any value anymore, you can just print out a fully functional copy of anything you could possibly desire at effectively zero cost.
>>71453123
>People will create new jobs.
Like in Greece?
>>71453123
>That's the beauty of the free market, it will always provide a way.
Then why has the unemployment rate steadily increased since the 1950s in the Western world - on average.
Also, what job will the people replaced by robotization do?
>>71453645
Robots will not be used to haul commodities you're an idiot if you believe so.
>>71451476
>Robotization
I think automation is nicer word for it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVvXv1Z6EY8&ab_channel=Factorio
Thankfully Mao Zedong has provided in his Marxist-Leninism theory a gateway out of capitalism. Socialism with Chinese characteristics, built upon principles of Mao's thinking, is leading the way for all proletariat in the world.
>>71453938
You're kidding me, right?
>>71453938
Why wouldn't they be?
>>71453272
>We employ millions of retards doing menial tasks like cleaning the streets, cleaning the environment, specialized manufacturing.
I very much doubt any country still does that. Germany certainly doesn't employ millions of retards to clean streets or the environment. And for specialized manufacturing, we use robots these days and to a smaller extent highly specialized workers running computers. One of the big problems of the migrant crisis in Germany is that even after 10 years of training and German lessons, a lot of Afghans and Africans will not be able to do a skilled manufacturing job. They are just too damn stupid.
>>71453645
>planes
Highly doubtful. One pilot will always be in the aircraft as long as planes are networked. You just need 1 hacker to infiltrate the system and down dozens of airplanes into buildings. You will just have one human who knows how to fly probably working as a flight attendant and can take over if a breach happens though.
>>71453703
>while dumb people will die of starvation
You mean they will be on welfare, obese and do crime and drugs... because that is what is happening right now.
There is no way that you have tens of millions jobless on the street without state support - they would just kill all the rich in a revolution.
>>71454240
That's a reasonable assumption. Still, in the end that's what? 1% of the total personnel requirements for planes to function.
>>71451942
>They cannot harm human anyway
This robot has killed at least 3,000 people in the last ten years.
Approximately 80% of them were random civilians.
>>71454240
Commercial airline flights are already almost entirely automated. The autopilot does everything except for the take off and landing, even though they are capable of doing so.
>>71453938
>Robots will not be used to haul commodities you're an idiot if you believe so.
They already are, m8. There are mines which are using automated machinery to haul large amounts of minerals from the ground to a processing plant.
>>71452751
Drones with tasers, easy peasy
>>71453546
>If 90% of the population is unemployed. How will you support them?
Robots will support them. Robots will basically be slaves and people will no longer need jobs or even money.
>>71453824
Nigga what the fuck has Greece got to do with this?
The people replaced by robots will get a new job or go on welfare.
Nobody here seems to understand what 'capitalism' is. It's not a system of government or a choice of society. It's the natural order of things.
Humans naturally seek to amass wealth/capital, which they can then use to improve whatever they deem worthy.
If robots do everything, that capital might not be money as we use it know, it might be of artistic nature, it could be likes or upvotes or whatever.
It will still be capitalism because humans are a capitalistic species.
>>71454404
50% for pilots. I don't see robots taking over service jobs like Flight Attendants any time in the near future. Maintenance could be hit hard but that would take a while as well. I still think you will have one human doing safety checks and sign offs.
>>71454483
Reread what I wrote. If they are pilotless they are receiving new course and weather information from ATC. So they are networked. If a hacker gets into the network and gives wrong orders he could essentially take control of several aircraft. Also the a lot of systems are not 100% reliable. They develop faults and issues. If the computer breaks who lands the plane? There are a lot of issues with completely automating planes compared to ships or vehicles. Both due to the amount of people who could die and the inaccessibility of rescue if something goes wrong. In the end it is safer to have one human pilot in the aircraft. Just hope they are not a crazy German.
>>71454857
The only thing this will do is make the intelligent ones who designed them and maintain them super rich.
The bottom retards are on their way out one way or another pretty much.
tfw you work in a creative field. computers can't be creative, my job will be safe forever.
>>71451616
fpbp
LET IT RAIN BLOOD.
>>71454857
>Robots will support them. Robots will basically be slaves and people will no longer need jobs or even money.
And that is the end of capitalism, which is the point of this thread. Capitalism means society is built on demand and supply based on PERSONAL resources. If 90% are unemployed and get tokens from the government to use to by robot made goods and consume robot rendered services, then this society is essentially an utopian communist shitshow dreamed up by Marx and Engels 170 years ago.
>>71453105
You have no idea what's coming.
Medical doctors and lawyers will be the first to go
http://www.businessinsider.com/ibms-watson-may-soon-be-the-best-doctor-in-the-world-2014-4
>>71455284
>computers can't be creative
That's what you think
>tfw posting memes will be one of the new jobs created.
>>71454446
This implies only retardation of operators of this machine. It's not some fuckin Terminator, where Skynet is behind killing machines
>>71454619
In a fight Robot vs Human humans will always have upper hand, because even if bots can adapt to different scenarios, we create those scenarios.
Stop this retarded thread futurists. You will never live in dystopia where bots got all jobs, elites can do nothing entire life and normal folks live in ghettos.
Can robot create a meme?
>>71455238
>jobs like Flight Attendants
Just put a vending machine into the plane.
Easy.
We just gotta acept the fact that we can not conceive the jobs people will do in the future, just like 200 years ago we couldn't possibly have imagined space travel, I Pads and the biggest loser.
But guys
When the oil runs out and there's an energy crisis how will all the robots run?
>>71455284
>tfw you work in a creative field. computers can't be creative, my job will be safe forever.
What "creative field" are you talking about?
Automation, robotization and computerization is replacing even the most unlikely jobs. Just wait and see. Teachers, neurosurgeons, cooks, graphic designers, car salesmen, gardeners, diary farmers, phone makers, guards in prisons, tax lawyers etc. etc. You name it, the next decades will have some company push some robotization solution for it.
Not to mention neural nets are coming... fast. it is the next revolution in computing.
>>71455568
>Meme assistant
>Meme executive
>Mememaster
>Senior mememaster
>Meme branch director
>Memester Supreme
>Meme controller
>Head of department of meme resources
>Heavy memes operator
>Meme distributor
>Meme graphic
>Meme supervisor
>Meme public relations agent
thats all I can think of
>farms will be run by machines only etc.
Yeah, whatever you say professor.
>>71455707
>Just put a vending machine into the plane.
>Easy.
They could have done that already but nobody has. I am not saying that the jobs will always be there. Just that they will not be eliminated for a long while.
Automated cars and trucks are happening very soon.
>>71455707
>just like 200 years ago we couldn't possibly have imagined space travel, I Pads and the biggest loser.
I grant you the last one, but space travel and iPads... that were thought up ages ago.
>>71455856
pic related already exists
It won't. The market will collapse and robots will do absolutely everything except for a few IT guys.
There won't be anyone working because robots do everything and provide anything. There won't be hunger because the government provides sustenance cubes to all individuals
There won't be money because there won't be a market anymore.
The people who do pursue work in some form will pursue the sciences and engineering, humanity will focus entirely on improving their lives, art, and space travel.
>>71451476
>Only a fraction of people are smart enough to do jobs that can't be robotized away.
>How will capitalism survive amid societies full of unemployed and a handful of rich people?
Limit the breeding of people living off gibs.
If this happens you'll just see Luddite communities form where humans have their own, independent labor and economy free from over-automation.
Actually right now there are things like farms that are almost all automated.
You still need people to maintain things, and the human brain won't be replaced for a long time.
I'm glad I'm a mechanic. My job isn't going anywhere, it can't be taught overnight, and no one wants to do it anyway.
>>71455284
Even better, I make a killing doing tech support for old people and the dumb. No computer could replace me, because my clientele couldn't figure out how to get online help no matter how streamlined the process gets.
As long as computers exist there will always be fucktards that break them just by walking into the same room.
>>71455523
>90% are unemployed and get tokens from the government
Your entire line of argumentation is built on that premise that is, at best, an assumption with no facts to back it up.
The premise is faulty because you assume that no new jobs will be created or invented, but this goes against all of history. Every new technology came with new jobs and fields of work, why should this suddenly change?
>>71455284
http://sourcetech411.com/2014/02/when-computers-imagine-cows/
Tick tock
>>71456423
Because if robots can do everything, including maintenance of other robots, there will be no jobs to be had.
>>71455575
>Robots forced to adapt to combat humans
>Humans think they have the upper hand
>Robots create an uninhabitable nuclear wasteland
>ADAPT TO THAT, MEATBAGS.
>ADAPT TO THAT, HUMAN.
I love it how NPR this morning ran a report saying that medical doctors and lawyers will soon be replaced with AI.
Turned that shit off and switched it to my local college radio show that is ran by literal retards. They still run better stories than NPR.
With a scarcity based economy our lives will be shit.
>>71455953
Well, maybe in 100 years everyone will do some shitty reality show and use his 'views' to buy whatever.
As long as people supply 'things' others demand, there will be capitalism.
Robots can't make crappy hipster cafés with crappy coffee and crappy live music.
Robots can't do nude wrestling or play soccer.
I mean yea, they can, but why would it replace 'traditional', human based soccer?
Hell, maybe the future will be a giant e-sports tournament and everyone will live in virtual reality forever, but there will always be some form of capital as long as there are people.
>>71456643
Robots might be able to do everything, but there might be certain things that are not demanded of robots.
>>71451476
nothing of that will happen because instead we will enter a islamic dark age.
>>71453938
I have some bad news for you.
>https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/apr/07/convoy-self-driving-trucks-completes-first-european-cross-border-trip
This is where we are already. Give it ten years.
>>71451476
>How will capitalism survive amid societies full of unemployed and a handful of rich people?
Thats society right now idiot.
>tfw salesperson
>tfw job is totally safe from automation for as long as humans are more charismatic than robots
>>71451476
Just like farming machinery and factory automation ended capitalism. Oh wait those people just got other jobs because economics doesn't work like that.
>>71452751
>First Law of Robotics
lol
you mean the first law of robotics in science FICTION books written by Asimov.
it's like citing the first law of alchemy after watching fullmetal alchemist.
>>71458585
sounds more like communism. and it shows why it doesnt work. if people dont get a kick into their asses they do jackshit except watching tv. what happened to find your calling and excel in something?
>>71458793
Horse population peaked in 1917.
More better technology doesn't create more better jobs for horses.
More better technology doesn't create more better jobs for people.
>cheaper labor
>ability to scale production of business products and services
>lower barriers to entry
>people start up small businesses all over
>the free market fixes itself
>>71458841
they're real amigo
scifi uses them for their plot
>>71458937
>horses are people
>>71453938
The big mining companies in Australia are already OPERATING test mine sites which have literally ZERO human workers. Everything is done my machinery.
>>71451476
>Robotization
The term is automation. Please use it.
>>71451476
if this is the case why do we need millions of Africans from the greatest African nation, Germany poruing around Europe?
>>71458937
horse != people, friend.
Also you're wrong. America's economy boomed off of manufacturing vehicles for a long time.
Instead of raising horses they create vehicles.
See how that works?
>>71451476
dont worry ahmed there will be no robots in Eurabia
>>71452673
Who is going to make the replicators? robots. Who is going to program the robots? Other robots. Who is going to write the programs? other robots.
who is going to mine and smelt the copper for the circuit boards to run the robots? robotic diggers and robot guided trucks and furnaces.
At some point, no matter what you do, its going to come back to people for a long long time. We've had robotic assembly lines for manufacturing for decades
>>71451942
start with calculators and traffic lights because humans should do the math and traffic
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>>71459225
good to see I wasn't the only one bothered by this
>>71452088
You do realize that even high-skilled jobs are going to be automated, right? I'm in training to be a physician, and basically everything but surgery is currently having research done on how to automate it (and even surgery has some preliminary papers being tossed about on potential ways automated robotics could be used). Computers will be able to more quickly and efficiently find the flaws in engineering plans, refining them multiple times before a final product is even released, making engineers essentially obsolete. Software can easily replace accountants already in all but the most complex of cases. Etc etc...
>>71451476
Because people will do other jobs in new and more advanced sectors you fucking luddite. There will be alot of short to medium tern unemployment but this will be followed by people simply going into new sectors, if the welfare states stops that will be even more of an insentive.
The end.
>>71452751
There is no obligation for the first law of robotics to actually be implemented. The US military is currently working on automated warfare systems already that will autonomously kill targets with no human intervention.
>>71459434
yes until artificial intelligence reaches the point where they begin to skillfully program we are good
>>71459131
Horses lost their jobs because they were superseded by cheaper equipment.
People will lose their jobs in the same way.
>but new jobs will spring up
Why? What law of the universe is there making this the case?
>>71459356
Are you serious?
America's economy boomed, but not for horses. The horses were superseded by automation and all lost their jobs. There were no new jobs created for horses, and there are less horses today than there were 100 years ago.
The same will happen for humans, at least as far as losing jobs goes.
There is no law of economics that says more technology = more jobs. In fact, it is the opposite. More technology = less jobs, for a particular market. The more automated the car industry got, the less workers were in it per car produced.
A widely-applicable general-purpose automation technology would be useful in all markets, meaning the unemployed workers would have nowhere to go.
it's not just 'dumb workers' who will lose their jobs
eventually, health issues will be solved or easily cured. for example, if you suffer a deep cut or even a broken bone you can repair it yourself at home or a robot medical bay will with advanced technology.
another example would be teeth. imagine a treatment that gives your body the ability to repair and even regrow teeth, thus never needing expensive teeth products or dentist services.
those are millions of jobs filled by people that are relatively smart and educated. that's just the tip of the iceberg too.
>>71454857
How will the robots support them? Will they have to buy a robot to go out and work for them?
Tell us what this looks like. Take Joe Blow's middle american family and describe what happens to him when a robot at his factory replaces him and he goes on welfare the next day.
Right now, rich people own robots to do their manufacturing, so that they can charge Joe Blow for their goods and services. Is the government going to take over all goods and services to be sure that robots support Joe Blow?
>hurr durr employees asking for too much pay
Why is this not okay when corporate leadership has been sucking up small business competition every way they can and only giving themselves pay raises every time they do it?
HOW CAN I INVEST THE MONEY I MADE IN FURTHER BUSINESS VENTURES IF I HAVE TO PAY YOU A FAIR WAGE?
>>71456643
What did ancient greeks do when all the slaves did the work for them/ every slave owning society ever, you dumbfuck.
>>71459738
Yeah maybe people with IQ's the same as horses won't be able to find or CREATE jobs for themselves after their job is automated.
>>71459802
Your picture forgets the rich pay almost all of the tax and the poor pay next to none.
Also the 1% is alot of people including many in the "middle class" dumbfuk commie.
>>71459123
holy shit, how delusional can you be!?
There isn't any law, anywhere, stating that robots can't harm humans.
>>71459504
surgery is becoming automated.. robot hands are much more steady/precise.
Anyway, robots are created to serve humans and make our lives easier.
You think people will stop reproducing if life gets easier? Think again.
Unless they begin killing us, population will increase with technological advancements
>>71459738
I think you read my post wrong. Try again
>>71459900
If a general-purpose automation technology exists capable of automating white-collar work, why won't the new jobs just get filled with this automation technology too?
Workers who were obsoleted by automation didn't move into the same jobs, anon, because those jobs too were automated. A general-purpose automation technology will automate across all markets, meaning there will be no job for you to go into.
>i'll go into a new job
What prevents that new job being automated?
>>71456423
it's really a question of the ratio of new jobs created to jobs eliminated. in most cases it was lateral-ish but in this one it's not a positive ratio by most accounts
>>71451476
Robots need people to maintain them, you imbecile.
>>71460146
I read your post fine. You said the decline of horses created jobs for automobile makers.
Automobile makers aren't horses. It did not create any new jobs for horses. The horses still had no jobs.
Horses themselves became undesirable in (almost) all jobs because there was no job a horse could do that a machine couldn't do better. There are some working horses still around, but a tiny fraction of what there used to be.
So it goes for horses, so it goes for us.
>>71459672
There's already people working on creating self-correcting and self-writing code. It's like coders trying to put themselves out of a job lol... But the ones who pull it off will be multibillionaires overnight, so I get the desire.
>>71454446
>>71454446
Yeah and some sand niggers and a few planes killed the same amount in less than a few hours
>>71453717
If you're claiming any period after 1945, that peace was due to the bomb, not liberal arts.
>>71460024
Surgery isn't automated- the Da Vinci still has a human at the controls, the machine just works as a more precise way of their performing the surgery. Outcomes have actually shown the Da Vinci to be inferior to many conventional surgeries, however, so whether it remains a thing is to be seen.
"Automated" implies that machines are operating on their own without human control, which is not the case. A human operating a crane does not make the crane "automated." The same goes for current methods of robotic surgery.
>>71459996
sure, in the middleclass, living with your parents
oh what delusion
>>71460293
I DONT FUCKING CARE ABOUT THE HORSE JOB MARKET
How will the robotized world survive without capitalism?
We're not post-scarcity, yet.
>>71456798
>ADAPT TO THAT, MEATBAGS.
>>71453583
> someone making a living streaming videogames
A handful of them? Maybe 100?
>much less making millions like some youtubers are.
pwe Die pie and a few others?
>>71460625
You should, because it's a perfect example of what happens when the entire organism, not just a particular skill or ability of it, is rendered obsolete.
>>71451616
>>71452088
not if I kill you first
>>71453595
Communism implies the absemce of a state. Comunism is not what you don't like and hurt your fee fees
>>71459738
humans can work in the other sectors.
https://books.google.de/books?id=Tzq8AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA82&lpg=PA82&dq=employment+sectors+distribution+since+1945&source=bl&ots=Patw2RtQw5&sig=6-XiuqjGhOzjk2Xd5o1bBSm4bnM&hl=de&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjWzeLy4JvMAhVpApoKHbhcCVcQ6AEIHTAA#v=onepage&q=employment%20sectors%20distribution%20since%201945&f=false
service and white collar will always persist, farmers and manufacturing can fuck off, we complain about China taking all the jobs, unemployment rate still under 10%, ez life.
>>71460506
I see what you're saying it isn't automated, but my point was it is only a matter of time before these robotic tools can operate by themselves.
The equipment is there, the software is catching up
>>71452324
Sadly I'm starting to think a class war may actually happen. And since 95% on niggers are poor it will kinda be a race war as well.
>>71460777
nice trips.
but NO.
The horse was tool used by humans to get work done/ make life easier for themselves.
A better, more advanced, more sophisticated tool is produced, rendering the inferior nearly obsolete.
Nobody uses typewriters anymore, did people die because they became obsolete? No, the opposite. Computers have created millions of different jobs
>>71459504
Aslong as the machines cost more than you, you're safe. Any mistake will also result in 8figure law suites against the business selling them, unless someone trained takes the responsibility for a nice salary, after being trained to know how this goes. AKA a physician.
>>71460977
>service and white collar will always persist
White collar work won't. Most of it can be easily automated once you develop a machine capable of it. For example, discovery is the process where lawyers go through a mountain of paperwork looking for patterns or evidence. Easily automated, and in most big firms it already is. Professional jobs aren't safe. Or being a doctor. There are already programs where you can plug in the symptoms and get a diagnosis which is more accurate than that given by the average doctor (so long as you put in the symptoms correctly).
You have no idea how advanced programming has become.
Services requiring a human face will have human workers, but imagine if you had the choice between a 50 cent haircut and a $10 haircut, and the 50 cent cut was of better quality anyway. Which would you choose?
>>71455559
It show so much that you know nothing about computers. If I would say it in the easiest way computer is just better calculator capable of operations on far bigger scale. computer don't have any interpretation from experience they just work according to scenarios for example think c34 occurs, it will use scenario made by programmer to handle it. We are yet to see computer that can evolve/adapt
>>71455284
It's not that far fetched to think of software that writes itself. We, humans, are not special snowflakes
>>71461343
>A better, more advanced, more sophisticated tool is produced, rendering the inferior nearly obsolete.
Yeah, and what happens when the better, more advanced, more sophisticated tool renders humans obsolete?
That's the point you dense fuck. What jobs will we work when almost all of them can be done better by a machine?
>>71461484
That's actually what we're holding out for. We figure that hospitals will keep us around as lawsuit sponges that basically just double-check everything Watson or whatever computer algorithm cooks up. It might very well reduce the number of physicians needed, and change our jobs substantially though.
>>71461565
nah m8, humans aren't tools
except maybe yourself.
>>71461929
>humans aren't tools
You've clearly never worked a job in your life.
People often forget that automation drives down the end cost of products.
Automated systems can cost thousands times less than human employees.
>>71462006
so you think if humans have nothing to do, everything is done for them, they will die off?
>>71451476
Japan and Europe should start using robots for the low tier jobs instead of bringing immigrants to do them
>>71462082
Who will buy those products?
>>71461929
>NEET detected
>>71462176
prove me wrong then
>>71460293
After automobiles came on the scene, there were millions of unused horses. Every family living outside of an urban area had one or more horses to get anywhere and mules to do work. All travel by public transport used horses. A single horse-drawn bus in NYC would use 11 different horses per day.
Then suddenly, in 1916, the model T Ford was produced en masse on an assembly line, cheap and accessible. The change from horses to cars happened rapidly. By the end of WWI, the unused horse population was so high, that the military was simply shooting and incinerating their military horses that returned from war- they couldn't GIVE them away.
Across the country, right after WWI there were millions of displaced and unwanted horses from both the military and millions of civilians who no longer wanted their horses because CARS. It was a complete upheaval of the horse and carriage into cars, and it was smooth for people, but devastating to horses.
Because someone got smart--- and the millions of excess horses that nobody could give away, started being killed for dog food. Canned horsemeat for dog food was the first canned pet food in the US, popping up as a way to get rid of millions of horses that nobody wanted....and that's where all the unemployed horses went.
Welcome to the future you chose.
>>71462202
No, and I pretty clearly made that point here (>>71459738):
>The same will happen for humans, at least as far as losing jobs goes.
>at least as far as losing jobs goes.
>>71462354
CLASS WAR NOW.
>>71461343
for the first time in history machines are replacing the human mind. this is no industrial revolution where machines replace human physical labor.
ITT: Chicken Little Luddites
>>71462308
>>71462006
you guys are retarded. If jobs are replaced by machines it frees humans up to do whatever the fuck they want.
Technology makes people's jobs easier or obsolete which gives them more time to fuck around.
Technology advancing won't make humans extinct unless it's purposeful
>>71462501
ok so why are you saying humans will die off?
>>71451476
universal basic income will be a thing in the near future and there will be new disincentives for having children while you are unemployed
>>71461502
Same with jobs going obsolete before, the one's too difficult or too expensive for machines will be human jobs.
Rich people will have to bite the bullet ultimately, give away 80% or face riots that will destroy their wealth anyways.
>>71462354
We won't turn into cannibales
>>71462775
I bet the horses could fuck around too, sad they didn't get food.
>>71462316
In the upgrade from typewriters to keyboards, the thing becoming obsolete was the typewriter. So of course nobody was harmed, dumbass.
With automation, the thing becoming obsolete IS HUMANS. Upgrading to robots is a direct detriment to humans. How do you not understand this?
>>71458937
I love that cgpgrey video, but his horse analogy is shit. Horses aren't the one's in power.
>>71460468
Fucking this. China/Russia/Best Korea don't care about your feminist painting or experience in transgender studies. They DO care about the USA having over 1,000+ nukes that will wipe them off and everyone else the map in a second if they even dare try something funny against us.
Fear has been the greatest deterrent in all of mankind, it is human nature. You can't change this, no matter how much you whine and bitch about it, you libicucks.
>>71462354
Holy fuck. Reminds me of the Exaltation in Cloud Atlas
>>71462775
>If jobs are replaced by machines it frees humans up to do whatever the fuck they want.
And how are they going to pay for it?
>>71462643
Quality of life declined during the industrial revolution. People got shorter, were less well nourished, suffered more diseases, worked longer hours, etc. etc.
It was only after the industrial revolution and significant legislative change forcing the top end of town to work for all instead of for themselves that standards of living improved.
The Luddites were right.
The over-arching point is that man will no longer be "the measure of all things."
It's profound.
1 (you) = one human saved from post-modernism
>>71454111
I feel you, Swedistan is not doing any better with our Kebabs and Somalis. So happy that I just got a job in a industry that build certain safety steel for cars that bend In a special way when you crash. But I mostly lift steel from a conveyor belt, a robot arm can do that much better and cheaper. Will do everything to keep my work.
>>71459434
>Who is going to make the replicators? robots.
No, a Replicator will make the Replicators. This is the problem, once you have a working Replicator the entire system falls apart.
>>71462268
Either welfare or charity would distribute the wealth from workers to non-workers.
Workers should retain similar wages to before as their work is equally valuable - the drop in cost of goods is due to the removal of human intermediates only - so they'll effectively be far wealthier and a small fraction of their income would keep many people in a reasonable lifestyle.
>>71462926
I'm not. They might, but I don't predict that happening.
>>71462972
>the one's too difficult or too expensive for machines will be human jobs.
>Rich people will have to bite the bullet ultimately, give away 80% or face riots that will destroy their wealth anyways.
Bretty much. I'd call it full communism but without workers how can it be communism? I don't know what it will be.
>>71462992
How much power do you have?
>>71451476
It won't, if something radical doesn't happen soon we are all fucked
>>71451476
Agreed but on the other hand...
If we fund that many robots theyll consume a lot of energy and its gonna be expensive that at some point it might be better to hire a dumb nigger that will do his work for a bunch of chiken nuggets..
If somehow energy will be still cheap the prices of food will fall like hell cus itd be cheap to maintain farms by robots
>>71462972
No, we won't turn into cannibals. The point is, there are still only so many resources to go around, and millions of unemployed will still need fed, supported, housed.
Horses they turned into dog food because nobody wanted--or could afford-- to feed, support, house, millions of unemployed horses.
Where would governments get all the money to support millions of unemployed workers? Just continue to float fiat till everyone crashes?
>>71462981
we were talking about horses and cars before. Humans can't be made obsolete. Unless robots become sentient and develop their own motives and desires. Understand?
>>71463270
You make a good point, but producing those calories takes more energy than his work output.
>>71451942
>Human>robot
>>71451476
Workers would be a middle class-higher class, while everyone else is lower class if not barely middle class from some kind of extra activities that brings in income.
A universal income must be done. There's no getting around it until we have some kind of major breakthrough in teaching skills and increasing intelligence efficiently, effectively and without the use of force.
Why would the oligarchs want to keep 10 billion useless eaters around?
>every robots thread some retards talk about robots writing code
If strong AI exists, we will have solved NP first as NP is an easier problem. Once NP gets solved, public cryptography is useless and we learn everything about every government.
There will literally be a happening before strong AI exists.
>>71452948
>implying people will be able to afford the insurance premiums on a normal car once self-driving ones are an option
>>71463794
>some kind of major breakthrough in teaching skills and increasing intelligence efficiently
There's not infinite demand for educated workers.
AI will probably surpass humans as well.
A lot of educated work also involves just doing what you're told and repeating mundane tasks; only the highest level people have any cognitive input.
>>71463228
I think Marx was wrong, workers won't riot, workers prove themselves useful for society, thus deserving a salary and worth getting a good life.
It will be the unemployed rioting for more free gibs me dat. If they manage to take over the rich, they will destroy society and it will rise again from the ashes, otherwise the rich will win the class war and send them back to the 19th century, were they can catch up until the rich comes up with another plan.
>>71463476
Government will crash, but unemployed will get of their asses and produce food again. In the end humans all over the globe managed to grow some stuff or hold animals.
>>71463491
Well human labor can. Humans will still be around, but what jobs could they actually still hold when they have to compete with ultra-efficient machines?
>>71464195
>It will be the unemployed rioting for more free gibs me dat
That's the point anon. When there are fewer available jobs than people looking for them people will be unemployed through no fault of their own. If there are 10,000 jobs and 100,000 people that means there are 90,000 people who statistically, literally, cannot get a job.
It's not really fair to characterize them as looking for handouts when society itself won't provide them with the means to live no matter what they do.
>>71463961
>anything breaking symmetric encryption ever
Top lmao lad
>>71464175
It's mostly in preparation for space expansion. Once we start industry we can hopefully create a commercial industry for space travel.
Thing is, you cannot automate everything. You need a sufficiently capable and large pool of people for such a venture. You can't just slap a rocket and some propulsion turnings and expect things to end well.
For that you're going to need a very well educated and intelligent population in order for it to work out.
We can barely use vehicles we have now right. There's wrecks every fucking day. Imagine these faggots handling spacecraft.
I think the solution becomes more clear if you look at automation in terms of the end game: utopia. All production, transportation, entertainment, anything we could ever want can be produced by highly efficient highly sustainable robots. People will do whatever they feel like at no cost because there is no economy, why would there be? Everything is provided for and recycled at 99.99% efficiency and will be sustainable for millions of years. Humans may still be productive as physicists and explorers, but it's optional at this point.
This challenge is transitioning from a capitalist society to a utopian one. What needs to happen is a rise in the quantity/quality of goods and services received for a given cost. Imagine if every farm was automated and operated at 1/5th their current cost. Regulations would need to be in place to ensure that a significant portion of that benefit is passed onto the consumer, and not entirely absorbed by whoever's on top. Essentially, one should be able to maintain a standard of living on less and less income until income reaches 0.
Will software or computer engineers be replaced by terminators or am I safe?
>>71455832
>diary farmers
>>71464573
there is simply not enough tasks that need to be done.
you can't have 50 guys calling the shots. and only so many people can load the ships, manufacture fuel, etc etc. even in the highest echelons of science you don't need that many hands, and there certainly aren't enough tasks to be handed out even with unlimited resources, which there aren't
the only thing that will happen is a crew gets paid to dig a hole, and another crew gets paid to fill it back up
>>71464910
But space is infinite.
Commercializing space craft and operations would mean it's technically accessible to everyone.
Infinite space, infinite resources, plenty of time, plenty of things to do.
>>71465123
once we get to that point we're not a society any more. we're just back to the tribal days, but we hunt space buffalo
>>71453135
Are you fucking kidding me? The Google car goes what... 20 miles per hour, under intensely scrutinized test conditions.
>>71464573
Just put all the blacks in a rocket, point it at the darkest part of the sky and tell they they're going to be astronauts and shit.
I have always wondered why people are so afraid of AI attempting to wipe out humans. What would the robots try to achieve, so far robots and computers work becuase they are told to accomplish something. The modern AI is just given more complex tasks. If a computer is given awareness what kind of goal would it pick up? Humans emotions to explore the universe are pretty unique. Think why the neanderthals and other humanoids never got far. Even if we program it with the want to explore, whats stoping it from straping itself to a probe, and shootingitself into space, it wouldnt have a perception of time right?
>>71464463
I think the market will regulate it desu. If the 90% don't have the money to buy stuff, people won't make money, thus they have to lower production cost or replace the machines by employing the 90%.
I guess they will rather keep the 90% around to make them feel needed, special in order to prevent riots, even if it's just today's office jobs. We probably are already goyim. What's good is that even in this goyim society, new inventions come up and make life better.
>>71451476
You give way too much credit for robots and their programmers. We still haven't solved multithreading for general application development.
>>71463491
>Unless robots become sentient and develop their own motives and desires.
Not him, but you are clearly an idiot. Robots don't need motives and desires, you just program them to do a job.
>>71463228
I'm part of the dominant species on this planet, so I have a good bit more power than a horse.
>>71465293
An important factor of automation is that it doesn't need to be perfect.
It doesn't even need to be as "good" as human workers.
It just needs to be cheaper.
You can have slow trucks as long as it costs less than the driver's wage to deliver the goods.
>>71463713
>>71465293
I saw one hauling ass down us1 in key largo last summer.
>>71465604
Prove it. Name one thing that you can achieve, with all your power, that a horse couldn't. Name one difference that you personally can make that a horse isn't equally capable of achieving.
>>71465829
Creating a successful bait for example.
> Well played!
>>71465829
not him, but if i break my leg, i don't die
>>71465829
Are you fucking serious? Almost every single thing I could do with my life, a horse wouldn't be capable of doing.
>Pick an apple from a tree
>Draw a circle
>Get married
>Have human children
>Repair computers
>Start a business
>>71465993
kek
It wont survive these things will only hurt the lower classes, who in turn will revolt and strike at the bourgeoisie power source as we are alreadt seeing with the rise of anti-EU politics and right wing politicians becoming more popular
>>71465293
Those little pod turds are aggressive as fuck. One even took a u turn on a yellow arrow like a Miata. You'd think they'd be extra causious as a default but they fly around all the time.
Source: I live in mountain view CA
>>71460024
Read John B Calhoun's mouse utopia experiment.
When things get too easy, actually, we DO reproduce less.
Did we just discover the Jew's plan?
>>71451476
>How will capitalism survive amid societies full of unemployed and a handful of rich people?
women will still prefer men with money
>>71466132
Umbypubare just a figment of the horses dream?
>>71455837
Grand Memester
>>71453226
easy troll easy life?
>>71465993
Truly magnificent. Clearly your ability to do this will prevent you from losing your job when the robots come.
>>71466132
And that gives you power? How can you leverage that to save your job? I asked for examples of power, not "things people can do that horses can't".
Learn to fucking read.
You said that it would be different for people because people are the ones in power, implying that because people control the market they would leverage it to work in their interests.
This isn't true. "People" aren't in power, certain individual people are. Unless you personally have power you aren't going to be able to achieve jack shit in terms of protecting your share of the economy. So tell me, what power do you have? You claim that just because you are a human that means that you have the power to control the market. Show me that's true. Tell me what you can do to protect your quality of life in the face of machines that can do your job a thousand times cheaper than you. How are you going to be able to prevent them taking your work where horses couldn't stop the car?
It's going to require political action. How much political power do you think that you, as an individual, have?
>>71451476
They said the same thing about mechanization of agriculture and the assembly line.
>>71466132
He means it like this:
The duty of a horse is to complete a task that provides value, pulling a carriage in this case.
The duty of a human is to complete a task that provides value, _______ in your case.
You are the same, you both complete a task that could be replaced by a machine.
>>71465829
> Name one thing that you can achieve, with all your power, that a horse couldn't.
I can screw in a lightbulb.
c
>>71466284
>Did we just discover the Jew's plan?
BEEP BOOP SHUT IT DOWN
>>71460023
The law is more like an ethical guideline, if I wanted to make a robot that killed my neighbor's annoying dog why the fuck not.
>tfw the only difference between the no-life 20-somethings posting in automation threads on Reddit and /pol/ is that the Reddit ones are optimistic
You get two flavors on /pol/:
The jobless NEETs that secretly resent people with normal lives and hope society is destroyed by automation.
The idiots who know they're ALREADY replaceable because they have shit job skills and are deathly afraid of a robot replacing their dead-end job.
>>71452948
>give up their motorcycles and joy rides
More likely, they'll just be made illegal to drive on public roads. Safety first, and all that.
>>71466927
>secretly resent people with normal lives
>secretly
Oh, you.
We will adapt to our new circumstance. There will be turmoil.
>>71464559
Quantum computers will.
>>71466927
>the people who understand that a sufficiently advanced robot can do anyhting a human can, better and cheaper, so as long as AI research continues our species is surely doomed
>>71466553
> I asked for examples of power, not "things people can do that horses can't".
> "Name one thing that you can achieve, with all your power, that a horse couldn't."
You've got to be baiting me. You literally did ask me for things I can achieve that horses couldn't. I never disagreed with you that humans are going to lose a lot of jobs to automation, I said cgpgrey's horse analogy is shit.
In his analogy, that you're piggybacking off of, he claims that automation didn't turn out good for horses. In the same way he (you?) is saying that automation won't turn out good for humans. I think this is bullshit because horses aren't the ones in charge, we are. And we're never going to let humans start dying out, the way horses did, just because our labor becomes obsolete.
btw, you're a fucking idiot.
The problem with /pol/ is that nobody here tries to make rational solutions to these problems. I mean sure it would be hella easy to just euthanize everyone on well-fare, but how would that ever happen? Protip, it wont. This is why the alt-right in general is a joke. They cant come up with realistic solutions to these problems.
Love all these tough guys saying "just kill the unemployed" when there is a fair chance their own job will get automated. Get ready to be on the dole, faggots. Where we're going we don't need eyes.
>>71466284
Mouse = Human?
We survived industrialization it will be similar situation
>people still don`t realize we`re headed towards an eternal technology driven dystopian hellscape.
Could you imagine if intelligent machines didn`t kill us like Terminators but kept us alive as some sort of "humanitarian" gesture to toy with us as they please like small animals?
>>71467485
There is no realistic solution. Shutting it all down would result in the deaths of billions, so technology will continue marching on until the living envy the dead.
>>71466601
The difference is that when horse labor become obsolete, we stop breeding so many of them. He seems to believe that the same thing will happen when human labor becomes obsolete, which is the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
>>71467429
Jesus fucking Christ, never has there been a better example of reading what you want to read rather than reading what is written.
>In the same way you are saying that automation won't turn out good for humans.
No, I am not. I am saying that automation won't create more better jobs for humans. Automation could turn out very well. It could also turn out awfully. I can't predict either. But it will turn out one way or the other. Things won't just keep going the way that they are. In fact, I made this point very fucking early in the thread. Next time I suggest you read all of it before chiming fucking in. See here (>>71459738)
>The same will happen for humans, at least as far as losing jobs goes.
>at least as far as losing jobs goes.
>we're never going to let humans start dying out, the way horses did, just because our labor becomes obsolete.
That's what you HOPE, but you have no POWER to ensure that. Do you?
"we" aren't in charge. Some of us are, as individuals, but you have no more influence over human society than a fucking horse.
>>71451476
People will adapt, they always do. People adapted with the invention of the steam engine.
>>71452948
>Heavier than Air flight is impossible, metal ships can't float, the automobile is a passing fad
>>71453135
This. Delivery costs should go down when there's self driving vehicles
>>71454240
Planes today can already do everything automatically (take off, fly the route, land).
>>71451476
>How will capitalism survive amid societies full of unemployed and a handful of rich people?
People will swap to non-automated industries. As the costs of production go down, so will the price of goods.
>>71467323
>we shouldn't research something because I'm scared of the possibilities
That spineless reasoning would have prevented the creation of the steam engine or nuclear power.
We don't live remotely like our ancestors of a century ago did. Let alone those separated by hundreds or thousands of years. Don't try to hobble humanity because you read too much sci-fi.
The neural networks I've been using can barely be taught to recognize human skin. The closer we get to reaching high-level automation, the more work we have to do.
>>71467219
>secretly
I was giving them some credit. They like to pretend that they whining is actually just "practical observations".
>>71453404
Energy is still not free. For Capitalism to be dead you need, complete automotation, free energy and unlimited goods. None of those things are achievable in the real world. There is always going to be inequality in resources. Capitalism is simply the natural outcome of living in an unequal world.
>>71451476
Human enhancement or bust.
>>71467575
industrialization made a huge number of people redundant certainly, but it was concerned with the primary and secondary industries, fortunately the tertiary and quaternary existed to take on the now unemployed. However these industries are now becoming heavily saturated (ask anyone with a BSc, their degree is basically worthless) and the sector is continually asking for highly over-educated people for relatively basic jobs. With automation looming entirely new industries would have to be developing, however they simply aren't. When automation removes the vast majority of primary, secondary and indeed tertiary industry jobs (with smatterings of quaternary industry jobs) where will the billions of people now unemployed turn for employment?
Also I should say, as everyone else commenting on this, that I can't see the future so this is ultimately speculation on my part. However I'm fairly confident the speculation.
>>71468107
>steam engines and nuclear power were good things
>neural networks will always be shit
wew
>>71468107
>Don't try to hobble humanity because you read too much sci-fi.
Lmao, just like the steam engine:
>create something that does not need to sleep.
>has the potential to learn day and night as long as there's a physical ability to store it.
>behaves unpredictably.
>Is a self aware entity (people will give it rights)
>potentially unstoppable, depending on what physical networks it can access.
If we open pandoras box there may be no closing it.
>>71467764
lol, you're an idiot. All I ever said was that I disagree with cgpgrey's horse analogy, I never even gave my opinion on whether or not we would lose or gain jobs, or whether or not it would be good or bad. I said that comparing humans to horses is stupid.
You're just looking for someone to argue with, you didn't even try to understand what I was saying and you accuse me of the same thing.
>you have no more influence over human society than a fucking horse.
If you want to believe that the rich elites will murder the lower class and take over the world with robot labor or something, you can, but that seems like a completely different discussion. I find it very unlikely that the governments of the world will let the peons die out, once the heavy automation hits, but who knows.
>>71455284
Tick Tock
http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2014/08/computers-that-compose/374916/
>>71468803
>I said that comparing humans to horses is stupid.
And your reasoning for this is that "humans have power" and yet you consistently fail to show that they do. "Humans" do not exist as a single bloc that all think and work the same way, and the people whose interests are served by a kind and beneficent regime (like you) have no power whatsoever.
>I never even gave my opinion on whether or not we would lose or gain jobs
That isn't relevant. The point of contention is whether the analogy is good, and the sole reason you've given for it being bad so far is totally unsupported.
>If you want to believe that the rich elites will murder the lower class and take over the world with robot labor or something, you can
Strawman that doesn't address the central point.
>>71460876
Communism is gibsmedat, period. Go back to r.eddit faggot
>>71466455
Found the lazy nigger
The car manufacturer looked over the robotic arms building cars and turned to the work supervisor: How are you going to get these guys to pay your union fees?
To which the supervisor replied: How are you going to get them to pay for your cars?
>>71469238
i don't get it
>>71469485
If workers don't get paid, how will they buy said cars.
Singularity tards are pathetic
>>71468602
>industrialization was bad
Why the fuck are you shitposting on /pol/, then? It's clearly one of your favorite hobbies.
>neural networks will always be shit
You can't read very well, can you? I'm saying this shit isn't right around the corner like it's sensationalized to be (and has been for the last decade). We've been 1-2 years away from ubiquitous self-driving cars since 2008. That's what I was saying, you stupid faggot.
>>71468682
>just like the steam engine
I didn't say that. It has a similarly transformative power like the steam engine. Obviously the way it's going to change society is different, you dumb faggot. If it was exactly the same people like you wouldn't give a shit. You're just afraid of the unfamiliar and unpredictable.
>Is a self aware entity (people will give it rights)
Learning and being self aware are very, very different.
>If we open pandoras box there may be no closing it.
Good.
Do you live in the ever-present terror of nuclear armageddon? If not, you're being inconsistent. We've already opened Pandora's box. Let's not halt humanity's progress because some spineless pussy is too afraid to progress and says here is "good enough".
>>71469485
its a joke where the supervisor for some reason thinks manufactured goods industry is the only industry that provides jobs
>>71469788
When a robot's fucking your wife, you'll be singing a different tune.
>>71469788
Automatization and singularity are very, very different things.
