What good reasons are there to leave the EU other than 'muh immigrants'?
>>71442713
The European Commission makes all the rules and is totally unelected and it is not accountable to any of the countries.
>>71442713
We pay too much to the eu in subsidies
the eu beaurocracy is undemocratic, and extremely wasteful with tax payers money.
They restrict UK businesses and our trade with non eu members
>>71442713
the european commission is the lobbies' wet dream: shill in one place to rule over 28 countries.
Vote to leave, kill the frankenstein and save us all
Because you can't join the secret Anglo union that USA, Canada, Aus, and NZ are in until you leave that union.
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>>71443584
based brits
>>71443663
>Americans
>Anglo
:^)
>>71442713
spare the other countries from your unceasing whining?
>>71442713
Autists want to call it "united States of europe" because they have been brainwashed so much by burgers they need to copycat everything
This reason alone makes me boil like an idiot
How is getting out of EU help with UK's immigration problem?
Aren't migrants to UK from the EU are already a minority?
If anything you'll receive less europeans and more africans and middle-easterners.
>one currency
>many countries
Doomed to fail
>>71443982
Wow Italy take it easy
Because its undemocratic
>>71444453
True though; a large portion wanted the EU to end up federalized.
they cant do anything right, are snobby eurofags and literally hate us. ask yourself what benefits has the eu brought to you? not much. inb4 muh peace or some bullshit, nah nato did that among other stuff. were being blatantly lied to/fed bullshit so that we vote to stay (government spending £9 million on pro eu leaflets etc) when its clearly in their interest to remain and not ours. fuck that.
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>>71442713
Terrible bureaucracy.
Leave the EU, but keep the trade deals.
>>71444231
They are afraid of the Bulgarian horde.
Which might or might not happen.
>>71445712
Basically this
>>71442713
They can make legislation regardless of what your countries opinion is. that is my biggest thing.
Just watch Farage rip the shitty parliament to shreds
>>71442713
Here's the lefty case for leaving the EU.
https://thescepticisle.com/why-leave/
The EU has problems, but the "undemocratic" overpower comission meme is bull crap.
You need to thank your local government and your eu parlamentarians for voting and not amending shit bills drafted by the comission and approved by national bureaucrats in the comitology committees.
Real problem of the EU and most will hate me for it, is not enough personal(don't care if they are voted one way or another). They are not able to work efficient and coherent without staff.
My solution would be:
>Committees like in the US with strong property rights and good funding
>>71446034
If based Dinko the kebab destroyer could move to England, maybe that would save the Brits.
>>71442713
>What good reasons are there to leave the EU other than 'muh immigrants'?
It's mostly unelected bureaucrats working on undermining national sovereignty. That alone should be reason enough.
>>71442713
i hate how the EU stole our glorious state flag
>>71447661
Damn. Thats a pretty dope flag. I now know one thing about Indiana!
>>71445712
>leave the eu
>but keep the eu
This is just more nationalist retardation isnt it?
>>71446897
The "undemocratic" overpower commission meme" is not mutually exclusive with your second point though. It recruits itself from our own leaders who would love nothing more than to have a centralized EU government - because it would finally free them from having to listen to their pesky voters.
It's just not the EU commission against national governments, it is the EU commission used as a tool by the national governments against their own citizens.
Kill the EU and you buy yourself a lot of time to fix things again.
S O V E R E I G N T Y
D E M O C R A C Y
F R E E D O M
>>71447819
It started out as a trade union, now it's a federal state with no democratic accountability. I don't see why a trade deal needs to involve relinquishing sovereignty. The next treaty will formalize the EU as an actual state, mark my words.
This document was published by the European Commission last year year, it received no coverage in the MSM. It unequivocally commits the EU to the creation of a ‘genuine Economic Union’, a ‘Financial Union’, a ‘Fiscal Union’ and a ‘Political Union’ by 2025.
https://ec.europa.eu/priorities/publications/five-presidents-report-completing-europes-economic-and-monetary-union_en
>>71446034
>They are afraid of the Bulgarian horde.
We're afraid of the Germans attempts to bring Turkey into the union.
A population of 80 million, mainly Muslims, who on average are poorer than Polish people? Nah, m8, Germany can take them in, the Ottomans are their ally.
>>71442713
The leader of the EU just recently said some shit like "all European nations must be flooded with dindus, the future is diversity, their is no choice in the matter!" etc...
They are openly evil globalist cucks who's only agenda so far in power has been the genocide of native Europeans by endless immigration of violent uneducated Muslim men.
Just watching some of these fucks speak on their council it is so obvious how evil they are and how above normal people they think they are. Truly sick twisted people who have no right to govern anyone due to their utter lack of humanity.
>>71442713
The EU costs Britain billions of dollars, and undermines national sovereignty. So the question should be; why stay?
>>71447819
>trade deals are eu
murican education
>>71449189
Because the people who control many of the European leaders (like David Cameron & Merkal) want them to stay so they will stay.
I knew the UK would never leave the EU no matter how the people voted. Was simply never going to happen.
>>71447915
>Kill the EU and you buy yourself a lot of time to fix things again.
Call me conservative but I don't have it so much with forcing first degree institutional change, like in russia 1917.
Your point about governments using the supranational level to compete against each other and doing endless pork barrel deals, fucking up there own citizen is quite right.
Unfortunately I couldn't get my head yet around why, but suppose its because there are collective game arenas which have institutionalized structures producing irrational decisions and outcomes for the whole system
So it would be better to pay some political and economic Scientist 150k and let them get an answer to that question instead of being lefties
>>71442713
For you? Nothing. Your goverment and Royal family are and always have been worse to you the little people.
>>71442713
>Requirements to bail out socialist hellholes like Greece
>Inability to devalue your currency (although that is more of an EMU issue)
>ability to make bilateral trade agreements
>TTIP
>EU affecting local legislation
>Avoiding being a part of federation
>>71444900
100% this.
It truly saddens me that Brits on pol are having to be "convinced". If you value your country in any way you'd leave. If we don't leave in June, I'm leaving this fucking hellhole for good.
>>71447819
>but keep the eu
Not like the EU comes with a whole crappy bunch of bureaucracy, besides all it's economical components, which actually is the reason everyone hates the EU.
If your country's legislation contradicts EU legislation, then the EU legislation rules over your laws.
Estonia's income is 20% EU support money (4 billion euros) which has made us too spoiled and spineless. We could have made that money ourselves if we weren't spoiled by the EU, we've grown too comfortable. We will stop received eurobux in 2021 and after that we're going to be in big trouble because we've been used to handholding. The IT sector is completely on subsidized EU support and those fresh IT graduates are fucked in 2021.
