Capitalism just brings about a wealthy elite class and many people are stuck in poverty. Why shouldn't the U.S. turn socialist? Isn't it about time we join the rest of the world? "Hur dur nothing is free!" How come other countries are able to have free college and free health care? Prove me wrong. Protip: You can't.
>>71434606
You really haven't thought this through, have you?
>>71434606
Fuck you and fuck your bills, faggot.
>>71434606
>Literally what is wrong with stealing people's money to pay for other peoples bad decisions.
>>71434766
>>71435036
Bernie Sanders will bring about justice, no longer will young people have to suffer and live in a shit hole when they work just as hard. Minimum wage being raised will help that. Everyone will be happy
>>71435090
>Other people's bad decisions
Hey some people can't help being born in a shit hole, they get no chance from the start. How about these rich 1% give some wealth away and then give it to those actually in need.
Nothing. It's the perfect system for small, ethnically homogeneous nations with intelligent and decent populations.
It's a death sentence for a multicultural one.
>>71434606
Socialism is great but only with nationalism, otherwise it's retarded.
Strange how many people love socialism but hate Hitler. Lucky for me I love both
>>71435146
Stupid
>>71435288
This guy gets it
>>71435269
>Some people are born in a shit hole
Not in a free market, they aren't.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=661pi6K-8WQ
>>71435146
Fuck you and fuck your bills, faggot.
>>71434606
Oh shit. I'm sorry. Capitalism BTFO'D, I'm now a Bernie Baiter.
Can you please link me to the number of people Socialism have raised out of poverty vs Capitalism?
I'm sure there is a shockingly large difference between the two. In favor of Socialism, right?
>>71435090
yeah cos capitalists never did that - oh wait banking bailout
>>71435566
>yfw bernie supporter would likely site nazi stats to justify socialism
>>71435649
Not true capitalists
>>71434606
>How come other countries are able to have free college and free health care?
>nothing is free
We don't. We pay taxes for it.
And I'd rather not.
>>71434606
>How come other countries are able to have free college and free health care?
>free
>>71435269
>they get no chance from the start
It's called taking advantage of stupid people.
Do it sometime libtard, you'll make money.
>>71434606
Please tell me what parts of "the rest of the world" you are looking at that are successful and socialist?
>>71435566
>>71435974
sweden :DD
>>71435974
cuba and venezuela of course
>>71436034
>that file name
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>>71435974
Germany
>>71434606
you need to take that socialism and nationalize it homie
>>71436034
That caught me off guard.
>>71434606
>What is wrong with Socialism?
A society in which the highest achievers are rubber-banded by the laziest people will rapidly degenerate into a shit society.
Note how every factory in the world instantly crashed in production the second people were told that they ARE the management and will make as much as them. The only places where this didn't happen are the places where there are impolite men with rifles reminding you that there's a gulag waiting for you if production wanes.
Capitalism is about the highest energy, most intelligent and hardest workers ploughing through to the upper rings of society.
Socialists who bitch and moan about "the closed doors" and the "old boy network" have never spent a few months interning and networking and are just mad that they spent several years doing a university course and didn't become a millionaire the day they graduated.
I came out of uni with a 2:1 and got fucking nowhere and became a sworn socialist. Then I interned for minimum wage and worked hard and networked my way to £26k P/A a year later.
Also, Socialists don't have a fucking clue how hard top end management is. They assume it's all CEOs playing golf on their yachts whilst they scrub about in McDonalds, but are completely unaware of the amount of the amount of work the guy making £3mil a year does.
>>71434606
The current wealthy elite only exist because of government regulation you dumb fuck. We havent had a free market in decades.
>>71435146
>Minimum wage being raised will help automate minimum wage jobs even faster
FTFY
Socialism and communism would be fantastic systems if there were no corruption, laziness, jealousy, or emotions. They would be perfect for robots.
Capitalism is not a perfect system but it's the best we've got for the moment. Although it seems to be reaching it's peak. Jobs are becoming more streamlined/efficient/automated and the population keeps rising (not to mention older people not retiring/dying and freeing up the top rung of the ladder). Comfortable 1-job middle class families are now 2-job middle class families that have to work longer hours or in lower positions for longer.
>>71434606
Both are shit. The endgame is exactly the same. Concentration of wealth in a tiny percentage of the population while everybody else lives in shit. Enjoy the ride people.
>>71434606
>What's is wrong with Socialism
>Soviet-style Socialism: 20-60 million dead estimated
>Chinese Socialism: 21-70 million dead estimated
>German-style Socialism: 6 million dead estimated
>>71434606
Dude you're fucking all mixed up. Socialism not Capitalism always leads to massive income inequality. The problem is that here in the West we have embraced Socialist ideologies over the past 50 years and of course this leads to massive government. This leads to the power of the government being sold to the top bidders for that power. A form of Fascism called Cronyism. Why do you think that Multi Billionaires like Gates and Buffett support big government advocates like Obama and Hillary and are against free market politicians like Ron Paul and Trump? Big Government gives them advantages they can never get in the Free Market by eliminating their competition and stifling startups from commencing. This always stifles technology and innovation due to a lack of competition. Why do you think there are over 15,000 lobbyists in Washington? The problem is that you're confused, you think that Cronyism is Capitalism and they're polar opposites. If we still had real Capitalism and Free Markets like we use to have, we would not be on here because everyone would be so well off. Real Capitalism and Free Market principles is the only system through out all of history that has lifted the poor out of poverty and created a middle class, not Socialism remember that.
>>71436034
That line represents more than 1% of the pie chart. Christ, you suck at this.
>>71436731
THAT'S NOT REAL SOCIALISM THO
LOOK AT SCANDINAVIA AND SEE HOW PROSPEROUS THEY ARE
>>71434606
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>>71436833
>that's not real socialism
>National Socialism isn't real Socialism
>>71434606
Lets fix this, shall we?
>>>/sci/8016331
>>71435974
Brazil, of course.
>>71434606
Non-aggression Principle will show you everything that is wrong with socialism.
>>71434606
> How come other countries are able to have free college and free health care? Prove me wrong. Protip: You can't.
>>71434606
"Free" healthcare would ruin any pharmaceutical industry we have left. Single payer healthcare gets rid of insurance companies that pay full price for prescription medication. The government pays roughly 30%-50% of the actual drug cost which results in profit loss. The reason rare disease drugs cost what they do is because inelastic demand meets a very small population, any money made is sent into research and development.
"Free" college under Bernie's plan could cripple our stock market. He's imposing a tax on stock trades which will result in money being pulled out of the market. Universal college would over saturate our job market further by adding more degrees while less jobs are available while stealing hopefuls from trade programs because of the "college =success" stigma.
Socialism in itself is derived from the success of capitalism and the free market. "Successful" socialist countries are those with a sparse population, these countries wind up being funded through foreign aid. The amount of success vs failure when discussing socialism is extremely disproportionate.
>>71436833
>Sweden
>one of the highest unemployment rates and emigration rates in the first world
>rape capital of europe
>norway
>can barely afford their welfare state even with ridiculous amounts of oil money
>finland
>lmao no jobs
>denmark
>most commercial goods literally 2-3 times the cost as anywhere else
Nothing if done right.
Everything if done wrong.
>>71434606
We don't live in a capitalist state, numbnuts. We live in a cronyist one.
There's a revolving door between civics and industry, and you think it'd just slam shut with sweeping changes to how business would be conducted?
Moreover, Socialists making sweeping statements and are completely blind to demography and subculture.
>>71435974
He's probably the kind of retard who looks at countries across the world and believes that any tiny amount of social security and nationalisation completely validates everything Karl Marx said.
Socialism can work in culturally, ethnically, and religiously hegemonic communities. In low-trust societies like the US it will never work because each sub-group of people i.e blacks, whites,hispanics spend more time trying to corner their stake on resources rather than working towards a way to share.
>>71434606
>government owning the means of production
This is literally tyranny and will result in everyone being poor instead of just dumb people.
>>71437071
The UK is suffering enough.
Imagine a society where only 10 minutes of every hour you work actually gives you money.
Socialism assumes were born with an innate equal value. Note the buzzword. But the hard truth is that people are not equal. Doctors work harder than garbage men. Some doctors are better than other doctors. By enforcing "equality", youre bringing up a dead beat and punishing a hard working man, creating animosity between the two in the process. Every man is BORN a sinner and only though his ACTIONS can he redeem himself.
This says nothing about the idea of trusting a jew to distribute funds accordingly. Every kike along the way takes his cut.
>Why shouldn't the U.S. turn socialist? Isn't it about time we join the rest of the world?
Implying the rest of the world is socialist, not mixed economy like the US.
t. never read any history besides Weird World History blog lists on Cracked.com
Capitalism is the unequal distribution of wealth. Socialism is the equal sharing of misery.
You are probably a young white guy in his early years of college. You probably think that everyone in the working world is just as hard working as you have been in order to get into college. Here's a protip for you: there is a massive underclass of society that does not work, is not educated, and despises the idea of pursuing either of those. In fact, they see working or school alone as an act of obedience to the establishment and have formed entire cultures around shunning it.
Our current system helps insulate us from these people because they will simply stay poor and stupid for their own ignorance. Bernie Sanders says that these people need a significant portion of your hard earned wages, every month until you die, to "uplift" them so that they will be like us. Guess what? Reality shows us that it will just make them even more lazy, entitled, and arrogant in their demands for welfare at me and you's expense. You give an inch, and they take a mile.
Other countries have """free""" college and health care because their populations share a culture of hard work and frugality. This creates a constant surplus that everyone can share of when they need it in emergencies. When your country has an enormous underclass that hates work and education like ours does, this surplus will perpetually be nothing more than a sunk cost to enable their degeneracy. You will be taxed higher so Jamal can spend your money on drugs, overdose, then spend more of your money to detox him at the hospital. Then they'll spend more of your money while he "rehabilitates" and cannot work.
Then Jamal tells his friends that they can get away with the same shit on our dime, and the underclass grows, and grows, until no one has any incentive to work or innovate because all our work and earnings go to vegetable people.
>>71437246
My history would beg to differ.
Just give all your money to The Government, and trust them to take care of you. You no longer have any personal responsibility. That's The State's problem now.
What could possibly go wrong?
https://youtu.be/v6bigWDsOsI
>>71437746
>In fact, they see working or school alone as an act of obedience to the establishment
You're giving them too much credit. Most of them are just dumb and lazy and ask for handouts.
ITT: OP gets unequivocally and utterly BTFO beyond repair
>>71437943
I was referring to black culture in the US where trying to get a job or be educated is "acting white" and will cause you to lose all your friends and get shit on at every family gathering as "da whitey lover"
The black problem is cyclical because they reinforce their shitty behavior upon each other then blame it on whites. They have enabled themselves to be complete pieces of shit with no accountability because anything good they do is "acting white" and anything bad they do is not their fault because "whitey racist"
This is 12% of our population and growing. Luckily, not all blacks are like this, but assuming that 5% of them are like that, that is 330 x .05 = 16.5 million fucking people we have to financially support from cradle to grave, even if it means us paying $80k a year per convict just to keep them locked away from us.
>>71434606
Watch this series senpai. Then get back to me. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FgX8BFSx35I
>>71434606
Cum to Polan, we have tru capitalism here.
>>71435320
Exactly, you have to want to improve everyone else in turn helping the country.
>>71434606
Define socialism.
>>71434606
Socialism just brings about a wealthy elite class of people with even more control over other people's lives and even more people stuck in unbearable poverty.
As for "other countries able to have free shit" I can say that most of these countries, the health care system is not that great, though yeah, it's accessible by everyone but it's evenly terrible, there isn't bad health care for poor people nor there is excellent health care for rich people, it just is mediocre through and through. Besides most people even here opt to go private if they can afford it, and there are a lot of people with insurance through employment which is essentially private.
As for education, it's pretty much the same story as health care, mediocrity as far as eye can see. Look up the list of best universities and you can almost count the best public ones with single hand.
So great, everything is free, but completely mediocre. And not to mention, if you have couple of bad governments the whole system is in a crisis, or if you have an influx of people like in Sweden the system is in crisis, or the market shifts and can't react to it in time the system is in crisis.
So it's not that hot. Trust me. It has a metric ton of serious fucking problems when you look at it broadly.
The poor in capitalism are richer than the average man in socialism.
>>71435146
>Bernie Sanders will bring about justice, no longer will young people have to suffer and live in a shit hole when they work just as hard. Minimum wage being raised will help that. Everyone will be happy
kek, under his plans you wont have an economy by the next generation.
>>71434606
>live in best country on earth
>hurr lets ruin it with socialism
Cmon senpai
>>71435269
>Hey some people can't help being born in a shit hole
What constitutes as a "shithole" is pretty fuckin relative m8.
You realize there was once a time when man was living in caves or in primitive dirt/stick huts.
Now our "poor people" are living in 2-story government-funded houses (shitholes) with running water and electricity which is luxury compared to most of the "middle class" around the world.
