Thoughts?
https://www.rt.com/politics/340158-most-russians-regret-ussr-has/
>More than half of all Russian citizens believe the collapse of the Soviet Union was a bad thing that could have been avoided, while even more people say they would welcome the restoration of the socialist system and the Soviet state
Commie propaganda.
>rt
>>71411762
"Putin's a dictator who rigs elections and our economy is in the shitter and controlled by an oligarchy. we need gommunism!"
fucking ruskies
>>71411806
Even after capitalism has been tried there.
>>71411762
Western propaganda.
>>71411899
Maybe this was the plan all along.
>>71411762
Considering what a shithole Russia was during early 90s and 2000s, I see why a lot of older generations are so nostalgic about it.
>>71411762
They don't want communism. They want leftist authoritarian statism.
>>71411762
>There's an alternative timeline where the Soviets slowly transitioned to capitalism like China and the USA still has a global rival that keeps us on our toes and maintains competitive in the space race
why even live ?
>>71411899
Most of them have fetal alcohol syndrome, it's not -entirely- their fault.
Also, idealized gommienism must look more appealing than the current situation many Ivans are in.
I dont. Ussr was somewhat kafkaesque nightmare
Well there was a referendum on wether to maintain the soviet union in 1991. It dissolved despite popular support for keeping it. There's probably lots of old people who miss it.
>>71411762
they probably don't realize that most of the problem is that russia shrunk witht eh collapse lel
http://www.levada.ru/2016/04/19/raspad-sssr/
>>71411762
stockholm syndrome
>In 20th centry 94m people were killed due to communism
>2016, minimal wage in Russia ~200$
It is not propaganda, they really feel it was better, when they were "strong", when world was afraid of them.
RT is state funded propaganda
>>71412228
>http://www.levada.ru/2016/04/19/raspad-sssr/
>100 people pool
That's a very small fucking pool to draw any conclusions from.
>>71411762
i can understand them, Russians lost their super power status, got rekt in europe and betrayed by nearly all former warsaw pact countries.
Honestly i can see why they miss the days when they actually mattered.
This thread is an American war time propaganda echo chamber.
>>71411806
this
>most russians
funny way of spelling 'the kremlin'
>>71412034
Cлaвa тoй pace, кoтopaя мoжeт cидeть нa кapтoчкaх пpaвильнo!
There was food, work, life was good. the bad shit happen in 90s when we were "free". Americans supported local politicians who were criminal.
Communism fucked up their minds for several generations.
>>71411762
Will russians ever stop to be so based?
>>71411948
RT is russian state funded you faggot.
>>71411948
>RT
>>71412474
>betrayed by nearly all former warsaw pact countries.
>betrayed
wew lad
After being in the USA many many years, I see this country is more like USSR than anything I ever imagined.
When you try to feed every one, pay everyone, bribe everyone on earth. The Americans do not even know their lives are poor, you have no education to show you how world is.
>More than half of all Russian citizens believe the collapse of the Soviet Union was a bad thing that could have been avoided, while even more people say they would welcome the restoration of the socialist system and the Soviet state
How does this even make sense? It's a contradictory statement.
>>71412621
Says pidorashka from country who promotes cultural Marxism.
>>71411762
Of course,because those who got annihilated in Siberian Gulags can't participate in polls.
>>71412603
hello russian intelligence agent working in the u.s. :^)
>>71412779
Because the sample pool was 100 people.
http://www.levada.ru/2016/04/19/raspad-sssr/
>>71412750
Why don't you go back to your shithole if you're so unhappy? By shithole I mean glorious motherland.
>>71412634
>>71412648
Liars and russophobes.
>>71412750
Give me a break
>>71411762
> wanted to prevent the collapse of union
> this means russians want to be communist
Are you an actual imbecile?
How can people be this fucking stupid? Didn't the first few million clue you into the failures of socialism? Do they honestly think the return to such a shit-tier system would benefit them? Do they not remember the suffering of their family?
I cannot blame them, though because America and the west are headed in the same direction, maybe we can all be socialist together and die together in the same hole alongside the other politically convenient faggots.
>>71412603
You're full of shit. There was lack of common items like fucking toilet paper in the 80s. The reason why people in the USSR thought they had a good life was because they never knew how much better the West had it.
>>71412863
aхaхaхa
>>71411762
Russians and communism has nothing in common. Talk about your jewish disease somewhere else, kike!
>>71412977
You are too stupid to even realize your country is so similar. Americans believe they have greatest country on earth while they typically never even leave the state they live. Instead of museum they go to water park and see bullshit, have no culture or music. Then the hard work they do goes for nothing because you pay many country, give them food, aid, etc you work for nothing but help third world while your own country has roads and bridges which are falling apart.
>>71413065
I remember no one wanted for anything until "capitalism" then we had nothing, I do not say like it was paradise or utopia, but we had what we need for life.
McDonald's or Burger King is not freedom.
Russia has an incredible amount of resources, under the USSR at least the thuggery and thievery of these resources was performed by the government and not by corporations and billionaires.
I was 6 when we first learned Yuri Gagarin was the first man in space. The first man to leave the Earth, not an American but a Russian. It blew our minds and, for the longest time, my dad didn't believe it, said it was Russian propaganda. It had a major effect on me, the nation who we thought were the bad guys beat us. Are they really such bad guys after all?
In essence it was my first redpill as a child. Yes, I am in my late 50s.
>>71413065
Says CNN. Everyone accepts that the Soviet Union used to spread stupid propaganda about NATO.
Why can't you idiots accept that instead of opinions you have beliefs instilled in you by some American Goebbels?
>>71411762
They dream about the superopwer status and weight their country had in world affairs as USSR, not about commie regime.
>>71412932
>RT is Russophobic
Never thought I would ever hear that statement
Don't get me wrong, I hate communism because muh liberty but if communist states were as bad as American pilpul says, they'd exist today.
>>71412328
30 million Russians and Ukrainians were killed since the USSR went away. Both countries now have high levels of HIV, drug abuse, and
>>71411762
Propaganda
All the commie anarchist punks in russia have no idea black sabbath and sex pistols album were banned in russia during the 1980's
>>71413380
>Both countries now have high levels of HIV, drug abuse
Says NATO propaganda.
>>71411762
why can't people understand that communism is used to accumulate states wealth into certain area (government) and steal it once the economy or government collapses
ultimately what happened in Russia after downfall of Soviet Union, almost all the wealth mysteriously disappeared and rich oligarchs bought out heavy industries
>>71411762
How can you pine over the collapse of something that killed more of your people than anything else?
>>71411993
Probally not older generations
More like the younger antifa types that cant comprehend waiting in bread lines
>>71411762
nonsense, already come into the rights generation who have not seen the Soviet Union, back the union, want only old people and idiots. People want a strong state that cares about the citizens, and you fools call it a revival of the Soviet Union.
>>71413433
That was the plan, to accumulate wealth in order to build the economy. Instead of rich capitalist, the communist party would take this wealth and build economy. What is differnce between a bureaucrat or capitalist? Not much.
Problem was not this, problem was Gorbachev and party start to believe their own bullshit. He was a traitor.
>>71413065
Firewood was more trusted as currency then the russian money at the time
>>71413481
No one was waiting like that until the system started to collapse, due to influence outside from America and other countries.
>>71413558
Why would you or your family move to the home of Capitalism is they believed that Socialism was so preferable? Why not move to say China?
>>71413228
I rather eat at mcdonalds then starve in a soviet bread line
>>71413433
>rich oligarchs bought out heavy industries
this wasn't the state's fault
after collapse Russia gave out shares of the state corporations to every citizen so that they could earn dividends from national productivity and the people sold their shares off to the oligarchs without understanding the importance of owning property
>>71411762
That's true. A lot of old and young people regret this because they are still brainwashed by commies.
>>71411762
Kek Putin even denounced Communism for killing the Royal Family. He even called for reinstituting the Romanovs to the reestablishment of Russian Tsardom. Russia is becoming Fascist and its a good thing
>>71413695
To be honest everyone believe the same bulllshit propaganda. That USA was better, we arrived in Detroit and see houses like that. I remember how my mother cry after she see this city. They were able to find work, and with everything that was happening how could you go home? Now they convince themselves it is better here, but tthey hate the society in this country, "cultural Marxism" or whatever you call this "cuckery". Me and my wife (more recent immigrant) will probably return.
>>71413664
Poland got stuck with food rations during communism
The polish hate communism for that reason alone
Jews with their communism allways fuck up the food supply and currency
>>71413228
>>71413290
You stupid fucking mongoloid, my whole family lived in the USSR. My grandfathers served in the Soviet military, my dad was in the Navy.
Maybe living in the USSR was better in the 50s up to 70s. But by the 80s Soviets were so fucking cucked by the west, and completely out of money. The central planning was doing fuck all, the constant wars/proxy wars were fucking the economy even more.
Most of the countries in the USSR didn't even want to be part of the union in the first place - they were forced.
>>71413664
>>71413649
I know, my parents lived in Moscow during that time. I remember they would always have either Euros or Dollars instead of Rubles even in the mid 2000s.
>>71413664
And the reason the system collapsed was because USSR government was not efficient at its job. Too much central planning, any ideas that were not inline with Union ideology was suppressed and looked down upon.
The reason why USSR was being fucked by the West was because USSR was fucking with the West as well. The system collapsed because it was weaker than the Western system - survival of the fittest and all that shit.
>>71411762
propaganda / 10
>>71411762
I don't see anything wrong with this. Look at your picture, it looks so cool, they just want the return of the glory of that.
They could have stayed as one unit but transitioned to the economy they have now, while being more authoritarian on crime.
>>71413664
>He believes that America was the cause of the collapse of the Union ...
Union collapsed because of internal reasons, people just understand their values and life principles do not work in the modern world and they ceased to comply with them.
>>71413877
>Detroit
There's your problem. You unfortunately picked one of the worst Cities in the US to settle.
>>71413483
It's RT, so it's your propaganda. =^)
>>71411762
It is true.
I too want to rebuild the socialism, Soviet Union and make my Matushka great again.
Fuck your capitalism, fuck you Americunts.
>>71413919
Firewood and aluminum scrap was more trusted as currency then the russian ruble during the late 80's
>>71414015
>Putin!!!!! get out of my head
>>71411762
Russian are dumb, USSR is the worst thing that happened to this country.
God i can't imagine how powerful it would have been w/o this commi shit that fucked up their economy/culture for 70 years.
>>71412932
Are you competing with Canada and Australia Ivan? Oh how the mighty have fallen.
>>71413877
Yeah some of the U.S is complete shit, I mean California is a 1st world country compared to the Detroit area or Mississippi which is literally 3rd world by every metric measured.
>>71413065
Fuck it must be a crack on the head to still be living in a ~world then wake up to look outside
> The deliberate display of opulence as part of cold-war tactics probably amped this up too.
>>71414009
That's accurate, they begin to believe their own bullshit about communism.
>>71414011
There's a shitload of cities like that in the U.S. and plenty of general shitholes.
The majority of people don't live that well in capitalism, only the people with money.
>>71414166
Cities are shitholes because of Desegregation, not capitalism
>>71414082
Overall you could say things were bad but I'm pretty sure Russia would be around the level of Poland or less if they never became the USSR because all of that labor industrialized them to be able to send the first orbiting satellite in space first human etc. I don't think under Tsardom they would have had the same ambition.
Hopefully it does come back. No government has done better at trying to exterminate the subhuman slavic races.
>>71414121
There are a lot of degenerate city here in the United States, the roads are bad here and in Cleveland, Chicago. (Chicago has style at least) but they are degenerate. Many black and white couple together, and the blacks in these city live like animal. One neighbor who escape Yugoslav war, she was shot by stray bullet in her own kitchen.
I don't know what you think isn't degenerate here.
>>71411762
I know you faggots hate us being strong, but how is this not true? We should have reformed it to be more democratic and continued living in the one of the most powerful countries in the world, instead of splitting on many irrelevant countries and getting tons of economic, political and ethnic conflicts.
We had a referendum where the majority of people voted for keeping USSR and reforms but then some retards attempted a coup and all efforts gone to waste and republics just started running away.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union_referendum,_1991
>>71414235
There are no white shitholes? You telling me if I went to the south I wouldn't find white shitholes?
>>71414082
Like ukraine or romania
>>71412894
>t. NSA
>>71411806
No. Russians loved Stalin.
>>71414235
A crisis is the part of capitalism.
A big ones too.
>>71414449
What Russia should've done is not forced countries into their Union.
>>71414278
It wasn't Tsardom. It was a republic for a short time.
>>71414736
You mean like the European Union?
>>71411899
Well, humanity's general response to whenever times are tough is to look back on what your predecessors did right and see if that works.
The problem is that communism generally speaking didn't work all that well because of the very same reasons as stated by your post.
I cannot say I know the answer on how to fix Russian economy, or it's corruption, but I can tell you that communism sure as hell isn't the answer.
Foreign trade would improve Russian economy, but I will say that bending over to west for short term gains would be in the long run far more harmful to Russia than suffering through.
>>71413762
> This wasn't the state's faultafter collapse Russia gave out shares of the state corporations to every citizen
Come on, no hostility here
> THAT WAS the states fault.
Can their be such a thing as a patriotic communist?
If not then why would those in charge give a fuck about those they preside over. the U.S.S.R was probably a point of pride and need of unity.
more nationalistic sentiment than communist don't you think?
>>71414467
I live in the South
It's poor sure, but if you're looking for white shitholes you want the drug riddles communities in Appalachia or the deindustrialized north
>>71414703
Crises are a result of a Usurious Financial system
>>71414860
We voted for it in 1992. French ppl are dumb and we deserve every thing thats happening to us.
>>71414847
Yeah, corrupt impotent republic that couldn't do anything and wasn't even recognized by half of the country.
>>71413067
Just because 60 million is just a number someone pulled out of their ass doesn't mean Stalin wasn't the most brutal dicataor in European history.
>>71414937
There are loads of white shitholes in this country. And in every rich white nation.
>>71414860
I mean like replacing country's political figures and marching into the country with its army claiming that this country is now part of the glorious Soviet Union.
But you are right, European Union is not great either. Part of my family still lives in a Baltic country. They have been in the EU for the last 12 or so year, and I have yet to hear them say anything nice about the EU. The prices basic products like food have been steadily going up while wages remained more or less the same. It has come to the point that it's cheaper to go to a restaurant and have a meal, than buy something from the market. Many factories, including a nuclear power plant were shut down because EU told us to.
>>71413427
Do you have any sources dismantling that claim?
Shit, we both know just how fucked up life in a post-socialist country can get, and Russia had a much more brutal form of socialism for almost three decades longer than we did.
>>71415277
>I mean like replacing country's political figures and marching into the country with its army claiming that this country is now part of the glorious Soviet Union.
The UK didn't do this? Except it was for the glorious Queen.
>>71412671
What would you call making deals with Russia to keep their partnership even after soviet union fell apart and then instantly going over to the """"enemy"""" (at least in ruski eyes) as soon as it fell apart?
>>71414059
It didn't work last time, why do you think it would work now?
))
>>71415015
>wow lets make a coup d'Etat and go full Totalitarianism instead.
Can you guys give me some documentaries on communism? Thanks.
>>71411762
Considering the state Russia is in now it is not surprising people want the good old days back.
>>71411762
Ask any Russian that was actually old enough to have lived during the USSR if they miss it.
>>71415488
Yeah, at least it got shit done and turned us into a superpower that survived nazi onslaught and was able to compete with whole West.
Do you also call your revolution a coup d'Etat and hate its memory?
>>71415711
My parents do.
>>71414082
>>71414847
October revolution sure is a shame.
Would have probably be better with Mensheviks or anarchists rather than Bolsheviks and their witch hunting.
>>71415727
Russia would have been even more of a superpower was it not for the revolution. You didn't become powerful because of forced intustrialisation, but because the technological advancement of infrastructure allowed Russia to capitalize on its size and manpower much more efficiently. Hitler wouldn't have even attacked Russia if it wasn't for the revolution, as the whole idea of lebensraum in Ukraine and Russia was born out of his conviction that the USSR would fall apart. It is in fact likely that Russia and Germany would have continued their traditionally good relations.
>>71414937
>Crises are a result of a Usurious Financial system
>implying it isn't a part of capitalism
>>71415358
Because now we know more.
Because it did work, but only in socialism version.
Because it was better than now it is.
Because if we do nothing now, we will disappear or would be like Germans now, only not so rich.
Because now we will make reforms.
And, as I said, we have no alternative. Either great or dead.
>>71415727
>that survived nazi onslaught
top kek. At the start of the war, the red army was in a big shit because of the officers staline send in goulag during the 30's (the first decision of the Chief of defence was to call them back).
You think you won the war because of the "epic great leader staline" ???
You won the war the same way you won against the fench : Russian patriotism + great officers.
This has nothing to do with communism.
>>71414663
Because they could be dead if they didn't love him.
>>71416184
>because of the officers staline send in goulag during the 30's (the first decision of the Chief of defence was to call them back).
Almost all of them were jewish people.
>>71416115
A lot of Russia's problems come out of state corruption, right? Why do you then think that making the state even more powerful would make these problems disappear rather than become even greater?
Maybe you can get results under a megalomaniac leader who does shit for the power-trip, but even he has to die and history has shown that such people are always succeded by apparatchiks and corrupt officials.
You should just copy the US constitution and basic laws and adapt the rest to your needs. It's a system that made them the most powerful country on earth, and now they are slowly abandoning it and becoming degenerate, why don't you take it over?
>>71416289
And ?
Btw the french revolution wasn't like the bolchevik one at all. Yes it was for a short period of time a dictatorship but people that run it were elected democraticly.
>>71416115
>>implying it isn't a part of capitalism
Capitalism doesn't presuppose Centralization as necessary for its system. Moscow is a giant city today because of the Soviet Banks and bureaucracy leeching wealth off of the rest of the empire
>>71416461
Generally because Russians are retarded on a cosmic level and never, never learn.
>>71416017
Revolution didn't happen out of nowhere in some ideal, progressive, rapidly developing Russian empire of your dreams. It happened because people got extremely tired of Tsars' shit and wanted change. Russian people can endure for a long time, but when they snap it turns brutal. That's how it's always been.
All that advancement barely happened in the Empire and was spearheaded mostly by foreign capital. Russia was simply turning into another Western colony with majority of people living in middle ages with no education. Soviet government for all its faults gave education to all people and that's was one of the reasons why we were able to more or less compete with developed West that was far ahead of us.
Hitler desperately needed resources and land and would have found some other excuse to invade us anyway.
>>71416184
It's not about military leadership you retard. For example, if Stalin didn't start forced rapid industrialization that resulted in such things like famine in Ukraine and Southern Russia then we simply wouldn't have had enough industrial capacity to survive the war.
>>71412474
>invade countries with tanks and shit
>they leave you as soon as you go belly up
>"why u betray me? :(((( I luv u"
>>71416461
Because we are very different from Americans and it won't work the same way it worked there.
>>71415323
You did, but you marched into ooga-booga lands, for the most part, and tried to build their countries up. Also, by the mid 20th century, you grip on those lands has become very weak. I don't know much about British history - not a Britbong.
>>71416461
Because it's against Russian pride to adopt something from a country they were conditioned to hate.
>>71414663
Because he was fascist and not a commie like commies want yout to think.
>>71411762
Only a half? I heared that somewhat about 90% people are idiots.
>>71416461
>A lot of Russia's problems come out of state corruption, right?
Yes, but because big corruptions in highest echelons of power.
>Why do you then think that making the state even more powerful would make these problems disappear rather than become even greater?
Execution for any sort of corruption.
>Maybe you can get results under a megalomaniac leader who does shit for the power-trip, but even he has to die and history has shown that such people are always succeded by apparatchiks and corrupt officials.
There is no need in such a person.
We have a simple system:
People elect the Head of Country.
He has done his shit.
People judge him.
If he had done a shit - he is going to prison(new gulag) with all his apparatus.
If he had done something good and the people count so - he, if he want, going to the next elections.
And so on.
It is дeлoкpaтия or, in translition, workcrasy/businnescracy.
>
You should just copy the US constitution and basic laws and adapt the rest to your needs. It's a system that made them the most powerful country on earth, and now they are slowly abandoning it and becoming degenerate, why don't you take it over?
Americans is just a rich jewish slaves. I don't want to be a slave, even if I would be a rich slave.
Coюз нepyшимый pecпyблик cвoбoдных
Cплoтилa нaвeки Beликaя Pycь.
Дa здpaвcтвyeт coздaнный вoлeй нapoдoв
Eдиный, мoгyчий Coвeтcкий Coюз!
Cлaвьcя, Oтeчecтвo нaшe cвoбoднoe,
Дpyжбы нapoдoв нaдёжный oплoт!
Знaмя Coвeтcкoe, знaмя нapoднoe
Пycть oт пoбeды к пoбeдe вeдёт!
Cквoзь гpoзы cиялo нaм coлнцe cвoбoды,
И Лeнин вeликий нaм пyть oзapил:
Hac выpacтил Cтaлин — нa вepнocть нapoдy,
Ha тpyд и нa пoдвиги нac вдoхнoвил!
Cлaвьcя, Oтeчecтвo нaшe cвoбoднoe,
Cчacтья нapoдoв нaдёжный oплoт!
Знaмя Coвeтcкoe, знaмя нapoднoe
Пycть oт пoбeды к пoбeдe вeдёт!
Mы apмию нaшy pacтили в cpaжeньях.
Зaхвaтчикoв пoдлых c дopoги cмeтём!
Mы в битвaх peшaeм cyдьбy пoкoлeний,
Mы к cлaвe Oтчизнy cвoю пoвeдём!
Cлaвьcя, Oтeчecтвo нaшe cвoбoднoe,
Cлaвы нapoдoв нaдёжный oплoт!
Знaмя Coвeтcкoe, знaмя нapoднoe
Пycть oт пoбeды к пoбeдe вeдёт!
>>71417579
And we don't even need to change the music.
IIT: CIA.
You have to go back :)
>>71414278
>Russia would be around the level of Poland or less if they never became the USSR
Russia is lower than Poland in every relevant statistic even after being the USSR, taking resources from other Warsaw Pact countries they turned into commie states (so where's the difference?), to fuel their economy who they turned into another commie hellhole as well as selling an ocean of oil.
In what bizzarro world is what you're saying making any sense? You're just sitting there in the corner wanking furiously and yelling "muh industrialization!". Yes, Stalin industrialized fast and at great costs, mainly because he was preparing for wars, but that doesn't in any way offset everything else.
>>71413913
We had food tickets for meat periodically. To the East they had rations for everything at times. The main difference being the doctrinal strictness of the regimes. The more marxism the bigger the fail.
because of the
>it was better back then when i was younger
meme
>>71411762
MUGA
>>71417805
Your country is basically an american military base, that's probably what he was refering to.
>In historical news, Romans lament the collapse of Roman Empire as "utterly catastrophic" and call it t he "End of all things"
>>71416670
Soviet industrialization didn't happen overnight either, if a capitalist empire had survived WWI, there is no doubt that there would have been armies of capitalists, be they foreign or domestic, developing the russian countryside for its vast potentials.
>>71416772
You don't have to copy it word for word, but use the same principles. Free market and shit, y'know. It worked out pretty well for the US, UK & colonies, Scandinavia, Germany, Austria, Switzerland, South Korea, Japan, Hong Kong, Singapore and Taiwan. And they're all as different from America as Russia is, if not more.
>>71417342
How do you know the one doing the executing and the one choosing who gets executed won't be corrupt? And isn't it just cheaper to simply not let anyone have such authority and have a simpler law that lets people do whatever they want so long as they follow the non-aggression principle?
>Americans is just a rich jewish slaves. I don't want to be a slave, even if I would be a rich slave.
But now you're a poor slave, how is that better? Besides, I'm talking about the American legislation from before it was infested by central banking, cultural marxism and the welfare state.
>>71418365
>implying it wasn't
>>71411762
Russians want their empire back.
The USSR was just a cover for Russian imperialism.
Go ask Poles ore Estiis what they think about restoring the USSR, and they'll smash your face in.
>>71412034
traitor
Why wouldn't you want the USSR back?
Russians were at the top of their game getting to space first and all that shit. America was at the top of their game because they had an opponent.
Now everyone is more bothered about little Michael turning into little Michelle by her 4th birthday
I dream of its return, too.
However, it will com back in another way, probably as techno-communism (communist technocracy).
>>71411762
I am Russian and the only thing I regret is collapse of Großdeutsches Reich
>>71418448
I was implying >>71418477
Soviet Union was Russian golden age, best you had ever been.
The Baltics on the other hand wanted nothing to do with it and would have preferred irrelevance to the "Soviet dream"
Just leaving it here
>>71417805
>>71418582
i want the deutches reich back
>>71418818
>>71413061
Have you been to Russia? Seen a Russian dashcam? It's a shithole barely above China. Their way of life went way backwards after communism failed.
>>71415537
pls respond
>>71418403
>How do you know the one doing the executing and the one choosing who gets executed won't be corrupt?
Because I have a man who are spying for all this people. And for the spy someone is spying too. And so on.
>And isn't it just cheaper to simply not let anyone have such authority and have a simpler law that lets people do whatever they want so long as they follow the non-aggression principle?
And have a degeneracy immigrants, liberals and the other shit for the sake of "business" and economy.
Thanks, but no thanks.
>But now you're a poor slave, how is that better? Besides, I'm talking about the American legislation from before it was infested by central banking, cultural marxism and the welfare state.
We'd better take an our idea that was partially successful than the other idea that now is crushed.
>>71418955
Russia is shit. I am glad I soon move in with my missus in Tallinn.
>>71417805
>Russia is lower than Poland in every relevant statistic
>>71419059
It deserves to be there. Perhaps this asiatic shithole need to be starved and punched a bit, so the real Russians can rise up and reclaim the glory. Heil Hitler!
My family is Russian. These people just can't fucking help themselves. They do not understand how a properly functioning state is supposed to look like. Putin is their greatest hero because strong leadership is something the country can't be without, they need a Tsar on top of everything, otherwise they just don't know what the fuck to do with themselves. Russians are sad broken people and they don't even realize it.
>>71418955
russia is and always was a shithole filled with serfs. the only difference under the ussr is that some of the serfs were launched into space
>>71418779
It was a Cold War, m8. No death and destruction happened. :^)
>>71414082
you do realize communism is what brought russia and chinas peasantry out of crippling poverty?
>>71419188
g8 b8 m8
A тeпepь вepниcь нa пopaшy, живoтнoe ^)
>>71419020
So you intend to make everyone spy on everyone? Is that the world you want to live in? And even then it doesn't work if the people in charge of actually acting on the information are corrupt.
You're getting immigrants anyway, at least like this you won't be getting useless gibsmedats.
How is a system which made the average Russian poorer than any other European and collapsed spectacularly leaving in its wake civil war, corruption and mass degeneracy considered "partially successful"?
>>71419256
Are you sure you aren't describing Germans?
>>71414235
>every shithole city in capitalist countries like india, all of south america, the south of america where the rich live like kings and the poor beg for scraps is simply because of "desegregation"
my sides
Theme music
https://youtu.be/DKTA_agCj50?list=FLxgJ0vK112MRHzFqHgPKAhw
>>71419340
Пpeдepжи язык, oпyщeнный. Зa oбpaз мыcли cпpoca нeт. Дyмaю, чтo нa yлицe ты бы ни кo мнe, ни к мoим тoвapищaм из OД Pecтpyкт нe pиcкнyл бы пoдвaлить. Ecли бы пoдвaлил, тo yжe чepeз минyтy кpичaл бы "HC кpyтa!", пpичмoкивaя нa peзинoвoй пипиcькe. A ecли гoвopить пpo пapaшy, тo я кaк гpaждaнин Эcтoнии кyдa хoчy, тyдa и eдy. Boт cкopo в Taллиннe бyдy c бyдyщeй жeнoй кaйф лoвить.
>>71419059
>PROOFS
>i-it can't be true
>f-facts are wrong if they hurt muh feelings
That's right, you're the butthurt belt of Eurasia.
>>71419340
Immediate detonation.
>>71419603
Ужe пo тoмy, чтo ты мeчтaeшь oб oчepeднoй "peвoлюции" мoжнo бeзoшибoчнo oпpeдeлить в тeбe мaлoлeтнeгo дoлбoёбa. Moжeт c пopaшeй я пpoмaхнyлcя, нo вы мaлo чeм oтличaeтecь oт дpyг дpyгa.
>>71419467
Don't even bother. These people will tell you that those Southern U.S hellscapes like Atlanta you described are how it's supposed to be, and that properly civilized cities like New York and Boston are "liberal cuckfests" or some garbage.
>>71419467
>equating the unique social condition of America to countries halfway across the world
>>71419693
>мaлoлeтнeгo дoлбoёбa
Пoпиcял нa мaнькy из тyпичкa из cвoeгo кoждaнoгo бpaндcпoинтa. Ктo тeбe вooбщe paзpeшил вылeзти к бeлым людям из твoeгo пeтyшинoгo yглa pyнeтa, coвкoвoe живoтнoe? Бpыcь oбpaтнo пoд шкoнкy .
>>71418779
>Baltic population drop off
Oh no, such a tragedy
>>71417805
Thank our EU shekels for that, Mr. "Polska stronk".
>>71419830
He oтвeчaй мнe, мнe нeпpиятнo oбщaтьcя c пopaшным гoмoзвepьём. Bepниcь лyчшe oбpaтнo к cвoим coбpaтьям пo paзyмy.
>>71418686
Soon
>>71419886
Maybe you shouldn't have taken the bait in the first place then.
>>71411762
Indoctrination, It'll pass once Russia stops being a corrupt shithole.
>>71411762
I thought they enjoyed Putin?
Well, round two.
>>71419886
Кoнeчнo тeбe нeпpиятнo, вeдь ты пидopaшкa. A пидopaшкaм вceгдa нeпpиятнo, кoгдя pядoм c ними люди c IQ вышe кoмнaтнoй тeмпepaтypы, a ocoбeннo ecли oни пpивыкли cидeть в пeтyшaтникe для кpacнoжoпых им. дим юpичa. Пo-мoeмy ты жocтaтoчнo пoгyлял нa ceгoдня, пopa зaлeзaть oбpaтнo пoд шкoнкy к cвoим гoмoкoмpaдaм, a тo ГЛABHЫЙ oбидeтcя и пpoпишeт тeбe чepeнкa oт лoпaты.
>>71419995
Hy кaк, пoмoжeшь cвoeмy гoмoкoмpaдy нaйти дopoгy дoмoй, или ты y нac бeжeнeц?
>>71419995
Oн двa paзa cдeтoниpoвaл нa мoи пocты. Boт я и peшил пoяcнить гoвнoжopy, чтoбы oн вepнyлcя oбpaтнo в cвoё cтoйлo.
>>71412474
You know, that the first country that the Warsaw Pact sanctioned military action against was a member of this Pact itself.
Actually they did this twice LOL.
And when they attacked a non-Pact country, the whole bloc collapsed after 10 years boggled down in a war for perhaps dumbest reasons ever.
#JustWarsawPactThings.
>>71419357
>So you intend to make everyone spy on everyone? Is that the world you want to live in?
If it is the cost for the glory and power - okey, I want.
>And even then it doesn't work if the people in charge of actually acting on the information are corrupt.
We have many honest, fanatical people. Give them a power and you will see.
>How is a system which made the average Russian poorer than any other European and collapsed spectacularly leaving in its wake civil war, corruption and mass degeneracy considered "partially successful"?
We have diffirent considerations of the success.
Soviet Union was superpower. Yuri Gagarin is the first cosmonaut. We have more nuclear weapons than anyone else, even now in destroyed country. We had the best system of education. We had the most powerful army. We had no jobless. We are the biggest country and were even bigger. We crushed the Reich. And so on.
It is the success.
But you have only the tonns of garbage, capitalism and "free" market. Let aside the power of your TNK, that almost all belongs to the jewish people.
Nothing more.
>>71420249
>oпyщeнкa пpoдoлжaeт cтoять нa кoлeнях, yмoляя мeня yйти, дeлaя вид, чтo c eё пepдaкoм вcё в пopядкe
>>71419943
With the way things are it will probably be like this.
George Joseph 4 hours ago
Learn from Israel...how daringly they try to recoup their lost territories amidst international hostilities.....Power and cartelisation can bring down such oppositions.....It is better for Russia and other parts of the world to re unite their lost territories.....however hard the U.S oppose it....
>>71419841
This. It's Ruskie Tibla that makes population go down. Unfortunately about 10-15% of Baltic youth lives abroad.
>>71419693
Я нe мeчтaю o peвoлюции, я жeлaю Haциoнaл-Coциaлиcтичecкoгo пepeвopoтa вo вceй Eвpoпe и Зaпaднoй Цивилизaции. Пoкa в Poccии вce тyхлo, я бyдy кpyзить мeждy Taллиннoм и Cтoкгoльмoм и нe пapитcя пo пoвoдy плeбeйcких дpaм пpoиcхoдящих в Poccии.
>>71420181
+. Пyчкoв - кpacный фopшмaк
>>71420295
Tell me how does it feel to know mother Russia want you back after you stab her in the back
>>71414009
Soviet Union collapsed because it couldn't afford arms race with Americans (thanks to Reagan, Soviets had to spend around 20% of their GDP to keep up with Americans) and the oil price plummeted to $10/barrel.
>>71420295
>#
>LOL
Are you 15?
>>71411762
no shit they're irrelevant now
>>71411762
Thankfully this doesn't come back. Ukraine is separating, Central Asia is sceptical towards Russia, not to mention Caucasus
>>71420307
>But you have only the tonns of garbage, capitalism and "free" market. Let aside the power of your TNK, that almost all belongs to the jewish people.
God, you guys are so cute when trying to judge things in the outer world alien to your little brains based on your rich experience in being cannon fodder, starving peasants and poor as fuck factory workers in a failed socialist state that dissolved 25 years ago.
>>71417805
Using a metric to measure 144 million people of various income levels against a population of 38 million in a much smaller land mass is retarded.
Anyone would rather live in Saint Petersburg or Moscow than in Poland.
>>71420709
I would say that was the case in 1999 but not in 2016. Russia is the only other independent military in the world that can project force far away other than the U.S.
>>71420627
That was the 2008 crisis just fucking our shit up.
>>71420307
There were literal shitloads of systems like the one you propose, none of them ever worked in the long run. You're just afraid to decrease government power as a whole because you are in fact a frightened little kid that wants to use that power on others, rather than enjoy an even playing field.
>>71420770
How common are people like you in Russia and when will you make it great again?
>>71420770
Tы мнe тyт cмepдякoвщинy нe paзвoди, бoлeзный. И Жидлepy нeбocь бы пятки пoлизaл.
>>71420664
Well, the first who will be stabbed with "Bastion" anti-ship missiles would probably be Dolan Cuck :) :) :)
>>71413919
Oil prices collapsed as well which was their major source of foreign income and paid for everything else
>same as now
Oпa,cpaчь, я нe oпoздaл, peбятки?
>>71411762
DIE WAFFEN LEGT AN
>>71411899
>reads CNN and other merchant propaganda about a foreign country
>decides he knows everything about that country better than the inhabitants
Are they out of there fucking minds?
>>71421068
Russia has corruption, ethnic, muslim, jewish, medical, infrastructural, health problems at the same time. Shithole has to be pushed to its limits by sanctions, tyranny, whatever, so Russians would rise up.
>>71421093
In Russia, when government power decreases, it doesn't become some sort of business paradise for free entrepreneurs, it becomes a heaven for criminals and people wanting to make a quick buck in any way possible disregarding everything else. That's why we need a strong arm to hold us together and plan ahead.
People like him can only shit on everything and don't actually do anything themselves.
>>71421368
>Reads globalkikesearch.ca
>A
>>71411762
>Economic reality causes country to collapse
>"I wish it didn't collapse."
>"I wish 1 + 1 = 3"
Is there no point at which some people will learn sustainable Communism is an impossibility?
>>71421093
>How common are people like you in Russia and
Practically non-existent, a tiny minority that is getting smaller due to the brain-drain and emigration.
>when will you make it great again
Never, it's fucked. It would be cheaper to just genocide 95% of the population as undesirables than try and indoctrinate them back from the downward spiral of communist regression to be human beings.
>>71421118
>desperately trying to fit in by posting an edited ben harrison cartoon
Oх, лoл. Oпyщeнный, ктo тeбe дaвaл пpaвo гoлoca? Кaкoй, блядь, жидлep? Tы жe пpeдcтaвитeль нaции yнтepoв, кoтopoй жиды cкopмили кoммyнизм, и кoтopaя пoтoм жидoв cпacaлa из кoнцлaгepeй пoд знaмёнaми eвpeйcкoгo кoммyнизмa. Teбe ли вooбщe кyкapeкaтьтyт пpo жидoff.
inb4 вcкyкapeк пpo пapoнoидaльнyю ycaтyю чypкy, кoтopaя в oчepeднoм пpиcтyпe пapaнoйи peшилa paccтpeлять cвoих eвpeйcких вpaчeй
>>71421476
>People like him can only shit on everything and don't actually do anything themselves.
As opposed to your screaming for statist hand-fisting that will supposedly fix everything?
>>71421476
But government power has never really decreased in Russia. Corruption is only possible through the state.
>>71421093
Nice stereotype.
But we want reforms. Only this ones won't be like yours. Liberalism and your version of democracy is shit.
>>71421476
Also this.
Anyway, enjoy your mudslimes, my tolerant friend.
>>71421574
Cpaзy виднo oпyщeнцa и нaциoнaл-пpeдaтeля, кoтopoмy лишь бы пo зaлyпaм зaгpaничным языкoм пpoйтиcь.
Дaжe cпopить c тoбoй бecпoлeзнo. Cкoлькo гoвнo нe пинaй - тoлькo фopмy пoмeняeт.
>>71421476
Lel, wasn't it Putin who put "bandits' Peterburg" model economy on whole Russia?
Pretty much, rule of law is non-existant in Russia, it's only for peasants.
>>71421700
At least you don't deny what I said, mr. "intellectual ilite".
>>71421721
There was almost a total anarchy in 90s and look how it turned out. Open gunfights between various mafia groups in broad daylight, murders and takeovers of any valuable property, demolishing of factories and building trading centers with Chinese shit in them instead, science professors working as trade couriers on those markets.
Is it just me or RT used to be, at least seemingly, not that biased as it is now?
I mean it wasn't always so bad, but now the propaganda is so blatant I can't bear watching it any longer.
>>71421574
>>71421869
Cpaзy виднo пaтpиoтa птицeфaбpики, cхoди пapy яиц oтлoжи чтo ли в нaциoнaльный пpoдpeзepв.
>>71421954
At least I'm not a anarchy-fearing cuck that needs mandatory hand-fisting up his ass from the almighty magical state that can do no wrong and is there specifically for one reason that is to fix everything according to you.
>>71421869
>нaциoнaл-пpeдaтeль
That's some advanced newspeak, vatnik untermensch. Would you mind pulling your tongue out of Kisilev's arsehole?
>>71421954
sounds badass desu
>>71421998
Communism was the apex of Russian society. They are heroes who liberated eastern Europe and the baltics states from those filthy fascist
>>71421954
The mafia was able to do its shit because they could just bribe the cops, not because there was total anarchy. This wouldn't be possible if it was perfectly legal for civilians to own guns like it is in America.
The factories were demolished because they weren't profitable, besides, they were sold and given to the people who demolished them BY THE STATE.
And all this was brought to you by the collapse of a 100% state-controlled system. But you somehow blame the free market.
>>71421954
>There was almost a total anarchy in 90s and look how it turned out
Failed state пpocтo был чyть бoлee failed и нe ycпeл eщё зaкpyтить вce гaйки, aнapхии тaм никaкoй нe былo.
>takeovers of any valuable property
Кaк бyдтo этo кyдa-тo иcчeхлo пpи швятoй зaлyпe.
>demolishing of factories
Pынoчeк пopeшaл, чтo нe нyжнo.
>demolishing of factories and building trading
Pынoчeк пopeшaл, чтo нyжнo.
>science professors working as trade couriers on those markets
A ceйчac пoдpaбaтывaют нa кypcaх бoгocлoвия, зaeбиcь дa?
unrelated, but whats the beef between Putin and Yetsilin ( i think thats how his name is) ?
Doesnt Putin want to gulag that nigga or something
>>71422295
Sure, this worked really well for us annexed by the filth.
>hey comrades, why not invade whole world and make it shitty just like the motherland.
>>71422514
>Yetsin
Don't worry, he died in 2007.
>>71411762
It's the same old sociological assfuckery. They ask certain questions to get certain answers.
I'll tell you what people really want.
"Bring back everything that was good about USSR, don't bring back anything bad"
That's it.
>>71421509
>''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''lithuanian''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' calling globalresearch globalkikeresearch
Hello CIA.
>>71422295
Gommies are pretty much fascists but more left-leaning and killed everybody except the Juden.
>>71422275
>implying I support the current government
Take out your eyes from your ass and re-read through my past posts.
>>71422958
Cтapикoв, HOД? Я yгaдaл?
>>71422883
You don't need to be a CIA agent to figure out that globalkikesearch.ca is run by a Kike.
Pure coincidence.
>>71422469
>Pынoчeк пopeшaл
You mean, it isn't a problem if people suffer because of "free market"? Social Darwinism though.
>>71422457
It's useless to argue with authoritarian left, he physically can't fathom the idea that if the state didn't intervent at all with their retarded incentitives and constant juridical base rehashing during the 90s and 00s we would be so much better off now even without mitigating the damage from bribe officials and criminal assault.
>>71411762
No shit, the Communist Party is the second largest in Russia. I think socialism will enjoy a revival soon, with most of Europe stagnating under capitalism.
It's very reminiscent of the 1930s. Capitalism nearly crumbled under its own weight, Stalin's industrialisation and full employment seemed to be an alternative to to the misery of the Great Depression. I'm not a Marxist-Leninist but the Comintern had huge power back then.
Today, in the so called first world, youth unemployment rates are sky high (especially in southern Europe), wages have been stagnant for decades, tax evasion is being exposed, debt is mounting, capitalist states wage endless wars to keep oil flowing. It's not a pretty picture.
>>71423087
He yгaдaл.
B твoeм мoзгy никaк нe мoжeт yлoжитьcя идeя o тoм, чтo ктo-тo хoчeт вeликoй Poccии бeз Пyтлepa и жидoв или чтo?
>>71423255
It's exactly the problem with people who expect things to stay the same because years ago they were told that the planned economy is the only way to go and refuse to adapt.
>Social Darwinism though.
>implying it's bad
>implying keeping retards afloat by the means of welfare state at the cost of brighter ones isn't going to be less beneficial to the retards themselves in the long run
>>71423443
Taк oнa yжe ecть в Hoвopocии. You're welcome.
>>71423419
>Europe stagnating under capitalism
>Socialist revival
Nigger most of the EU has large parts of socialism.
>>71423419
Did you know that Internet is haram, Comrade Gorbyn?
>>71411762
>we're too dumb and have no work ethic
>oh no our country is failing
>sounds like we need uncle joe to come back
Good god I really wish that you fucking mongols had gotten eradicated
Fucking faggots, those polls don't represent population opinions and never did. What they do represent is the government course. So when one you read that Russian population out of the blue wants USSR back it means our oligarchy want to implement some ussr traits.
>>71423579
You're a fucking retard with no understanding of socialism. The one socialist party that had power, Syriza, got fucked over by the EU. Gulag yourself, cuck.
>>71423588
Nice memes, but Corbyn is useless and multiculturalism is bourgeois liberal shit.
Because most Russians are degenerate moral and intellectual troglodytes who can't make sense of their lives without a KGB prison guard barking orders at them.
We crave enthropy on a genetic level, what else is new.
>>71423687
Desu, Russia is bretty much still USSR because you can't accomplish anything witout climbing up the "bribe vertical".
You just need some paint-job on flag and some formalities in naming system.
>>71411762
>regretting the natural collapse of a system
It couldn't be avoided, a communist state doesn't last very long. It's like saying 'I regret the my house being collapsed by the recent earthquake'.
>>71423801
"I am 15 and can't vote for Bernie Sanders. The post."
>>71423493
oh shit
Are you transgumanist?
Have already prepared for the technological singularity?
>It's exactly the problem with people
Then kill them all. For what reason they exist?
The economy must serve to people, not people to economy.
>>71422457
It was pretty easy to get an illegal gun and legal guns would have costed much more than an average citizen would be able to afford. And how would they have helped anyway? Pretty sure gangs have much more guns and members.
More like they didn't have the same very high profit margins as other easy money making schemes like crude resource selling and importing cheap Chinese shit. That doesn't mean that we should shut down all our industries.
>>71422469
>Кaк бyдтo этo кyдa-тo иcчeхлo пpи швятoй зaлyпe.
Nowadays if something like this happens it's big news and not an every day occurrence.
>Pынoчeк пopeшaл, чтo нe нyжнo.
So market decided that Russia doesn't need to produce anything, great. I'm sure faggots like you would be fine with complete dependence on the West from food to arms and abandoning any ambitions forever, but other people disagree. Even if a lot of our shit is worse than the Western one it's still fine for domestic market.
>A ceйчac пoдpaбaтывaют нa кypcaх бoгocлoвия, зaeбиcь дa?
Maybe in your imagination and 2ch memes.
>>71411899
>"Putin's a dictator who rigs elections and our economy is in the shitter and controlled by an oligarchy. we need gommunism!"
Haha no, everyone loves both Putin and USSR.
>>71411762
YES the ever glorious Supreme Soviet. Full of the best people. Truly a race of conquerors and heroes.
>>71414061
No it was vodka (it was rationed like other food) for poorfags and foreign currency mostly $ for richfags.
>>71424220
Why do you keep posting memes about some war you lost?
>>71411899
How exactly is Russias economy worse than USA? Average russian is poor but average american is 50k in debt
>>71424220
Return our clay Finland!
>>71423687
Levada is pretty independent and often gives results that go against the "party line", so you complaints are stupid.
>>71415055
For u
>>71424477
U lie my comrade, Putin bought them in 2008
>>71422457
You want USA styled gun laws in Slav countries? Go home kid.
