/pol/, what's wrong with fascism?
There is no such thing as a benevolent dictatorship.
>>71398119
Libtard brainwashing
>>71398079
http://dhspriory.org/thomas/DeRegno.htm#4
Here you go OP read some good lit
>>71398079
There is no such thing as something being objectively wrong. Decide for yourself your values.
>>71398079
>communism is good but fascism is bad
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>>71398119
same could be said for government in general
>>71398280
Aren't they almost the same thing or am I wrong
>>71398079
It's leftist. SJWs are actually the closer thing to Nazis in this century.
>>71398375
Very wrong.
>>71398454
very very wrong
>>71398481
But fascists are known for shutting down free speech, right? Like fascism may seem cool and all but what if it's used by somebody with a leftist bent?
>>71398079
Fascism is a word with no meaning in 2016. Obama is a fascist, Trump is a fascist, Putin, Assad, Merkel, anyone with power and popular support is called a fascist.
Jews hate it
>>71398119
That's a retarded statement
>>71398589
Fascism is inherently right wing and nationalistic. Left wing views would be communism.
>>71398119
>Implying Francisco Franco was not benevolent
>>71398119
Rome?
>>71398079
Fascism is strict social conservatism and national-protectionist economics.
>>71398079
>lets give the government total power they'd never hurt their own people
good plan, works great every time
>>71398664
I guess that's why pretty much every fascist dictator has been a socialist
What is fascism anyway? Nobody properly defines it as it has no concrete definition.
>>71398824
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7c9tB77YdU
"We don’t say to the rich ‘Give to the poor’, we say ‘German people, help each other’. Rich or poor, each one must help thinking, there’s someone even poorer than I am, and I want to help them as a fellow countryman."-Hitler
See national socialism being very different from socialism/communism confuses people like OP by people like you.
>>71398934
National-exceptionalism is the embodiment of fascism.
But today, fascism basically means anything remotely right-wing or anti-globalist.
>>71398967
Has any fascist regime worked outside of Hitler's?
>>71398079
The problem is the centralization of certain powers, otherwise its much easier to have a centralized powerful figurehead to move the populace. Democracy (for the masses) has proven that people are not responsible enough to vote without extreme ignorance.
This is mostly because our media misrepresents everything. The Jews, particularly Edward Bernays created mass psychological warfare tactics that have proven to successfully manipulate people to their ends. A Hitler would put a stop to it and rid the nation of these maggots.
We only need one dictator and then move back to a republic with much tighter rules for propaganda, killing marxists, burning faggots and other undesirables at the stake. Not allowing money to influence politics, destroying centralized banking, torturing and enslaving bankers, pushing an end to open borders and globalization, requiring extrastate corporations to remain in the U.S., high tariffs for imports except for certain criterion.
>Hitler wasn't a socialist, he was a fascist!
How do you reply?
>>71399319
What do you think Nazi is short for?
>National Socialists
>>71399144
Japan worked pretty well until they were provoked to war by the US. Fascism is a step down from monarchist/theocracy which I am more closely aligned. It is an ideology that sprang from the newer ideas of a people voting in their leader but trying to combine the old system with it. The amount of monarchies/theocracy that have worked is numerous and their track record stands the test of time of having the most average rules in terms of good/bad.
>>71390307
So would you say the U.S. Constitution should be revoked as it has failed us? And by Jews do you mean the religion, the race, or the zionists?
>>71399307
The republic will end the day people realize they can vote for money.
Aristotle really tears apart the republic theory in his book politics.
A man cannot have two masters for he will hate one and love the other.
>>71399319
socialism isn't a bad thing, there are alot of great examples of it working, but the population has to be homogeneous. when niggers flood in, and don't work, have no drive to work, it will create a dependent underclass, we have seen exactly how destructive that is with Native Americans and the American Negro communities. Socialism is a natural extension of Nationalism, you work toward certain goals, leaving none of your brothers and sisters behind (unless they're faggots or severely mentally handicapped).
But socialism without a strong country first is poisonous. People like Sanders that push socialism here are only doing it to further their ultimate goal, the destruction of capitalism, a destruction of us as a superpower, being made an example to the world as the ultimate cuckhold. destroying our military, getting on our knees like Canada and apologizing, putting niggers and nonwhites into every position of power so they can abuse us, because it's our turn. Socialists in America are just commie filth and they all need to be violently removed.
>>71399442
>Theocracy
Fucking degenerates
>>71399644
Our limited Republic did work though, it didn't turn to utter shit until A) we were conned by the Jews into a Central bank and B) we allowed people that didn't own land to vote.
It's so disgusting to see these liberal faggots crow about how niggers and women weren't allowed to vote and how racist America is, when that was never true. Niggers and women did vote, but they had to own land. And that should be true today.
>>71399665
Nogs and the such would not be a problem if slavery was not demonized from its original conception. Even the migrant crisis in Europe could easily be solved if we still had slavery but that lower caste was ripped away from the nations by liberal sentiment. Barbarians have no right to rule themselves.
>>71398119
Fuck off libtard.
>>71399406
>the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is democratic, just look at its name!
>>71398119
Nazi empire.
/thread
Modern fascists lose wars and generally have inferior economies. They're just generally weaker than a free market democracy. Same with communism, which was strangled economically and culturally.
>>71399799
Slavery is a fucking terrible idea. It's a fucking joke because beta faggots will always spring up from a decadant society. They will say
>lets empower these poor people for we are guilty
and then they cry and bully to have their way and now you see what has happened. The only way slavery works is if it stays within its own borders or we have monarchs to kill dissent. Neither which I am moved to support.
>>71398824
The national socialism that fascism is based on grew out of the municipal socialism that was a key tenant of conservative populist political parties that came about after universal male sufferage was adopted in Europe. Basically, the idea that a municipal government should care for its citizens to make a great region, was expanded to entire nations. As opposed to Marxist socialism which was centered around the idea that capitalism was falling the workers and the proletariat should seize the means of production.
>>71399918
>Modern fascists lose wars and generally have inferior economies.
What country on the planet can even be called Fascist today? ISIS definitely but what else.
>>71399920
>Decadent beta faggots.
That is a qualifier I do not believe is correct. I do not believe being a master force you to be a beta or do you say all the heros of Rome and other ancient Civs were beta faggots?
>>71399783
Women voting was a terrible idea. Do you not grasp the differences between the sexs? On your point of the limited republic working; it really didn't. Compared to how long other government types such as monarchies/theocracies last the limited republic was a flash in the pan. I am sure for a time even democracy would work with the right people but that does not make it a good system.
>>71398079
Nothing it's the best system.
>>71399307
So why should we enforce right-wing morality over left wing?
>>71400073
Any system can be good or bad its the men behind it that matter. Still some systems are better than others
>>71398079
you can't have a government that totalitarian, that big, that authoritative over culture, that controlling of the economy, for that long of a time.
it works well in the short term for what it sets out to accomplish. long term effects can be decent at its absolute best, and catastrophic at it's worst.
the best result of a society living under fascism would be a peaceful transition into a form of governance less restrictive.
>>71398664
define "right wing"
you dumb fucking buzzword spewing Marxist
>>71400169
do not argue with idiots stuck on the left-right dichotomy
>>71400169
By right wing I mean the basic stuff like anti gay marriage anti immigration stuff like that. Basically xenophobia. (Not using that term as a pejorative)
>>71398481
Well of course, there is an entire political spectrum that, is also a very poor way to generalize political ideologies.
But basically Nazis were centrist authoritarian, SJWs today are far-left authoritarian.
>>71400286
be careful not to generalize everything you do not like as 'right-wing'
i can tell by your posts you're new here so don't take it personal
>>71400286
>By right wing I mean the basic stuff like anti gay marriage anti immigration stuff like that. Basically xenophobia. (Not using that term as a pejorative)
But Communist countries are all like that?
Something isn't adding up buddy
>>71400169
The left right scale is flawed and thus makes it hard to define. Their is economically right wing which is capitalistic and social right wing which has conservative (though classical liberal) views in america at-least. Go to Europe though and its different. The scale is wrong and only helps to define things in a common culture as it stands.
>>71398699
He wasn't. He killed both the founder of Falange and every other military leader so he could rule alone.
He also surrounded himself with a bunch of incompetent retards just cause they kissed his ass. His family is/was into some deep illegal shit and gave too much power to the church.
Just to mention some misdeeds.
>>71400319
I'm not generalizing. Someone said fascism is right wing and communism is left. I'm not a liberal at all just trying to define terms. What's a good argument against the social issues fascists tend to be against?
>>71400487
>>71400487
with a government as centralized as communism/fascism, the end result of it is social conservative nine times out of ten
>>71400631
Those are actually... Really good arguments. I...think I'm getting even more red-pilled than I thought I was before. Thanks brother.
>>71400952
ahaha I love it
Just remember to use wisdom in all things even those which get called "red pilled" You can even see now them infiltrating the so called alt right movements to make sure they control the opposition
>>71398119
Gentle femdom is kinda benevolent dictatorship senpai
>>71401519
Like that Milo guy.
>>71400069
Not to sound like some dumbfuck liberal, we are in the current year, we don't really have the need for expansion and conquest, its almost impossible without a united, homogeneous country. Older governments worked because they had a clear demarcation of the classes. I am not in favor of bringing that back as I do not want to be counted as a serf.
We also have a much more prevalent populace that is educated. The elites switched from power over to soft macro manipulation tactics. If we remove their affect, and create clear lines of power, a Republic is the best form of government as long as the garbage bottomfeeders are left out.
>>71398079
If you are a fascist Trump supporter, you will never get any SJW pussy
>>71400080
"right-wing morality" is simply what is wholesome and correct. There is no argument against decency, righteousness, family, honor, respect, a healthy disgust for immorality, and so on.
Degenerates thrive when they are encouraged, the vast majority of degeneracy starts because of a broken home neglecting the aforementioned attitudes and morality. Liberals are a diseased group full of undesirable freaks, egging each other on to new levels of degeneracy like some sick cult. The correct question is why should good people be subjected to filth? to people that are nihilists and full of guilt and self-loathing? apathetic to themselves and their fellow man. Why aren't we allowed to live in a society that eschews evil and clings to good? Liberalism is like a cake made up of 10% cake and 90% dogshit. No matter what you think, its clearly better to bake another cake than to try to strain out the dogshit.
>>71401973
Their are many reasons for expansion/conquest. Manifest destiny in america is the most recent example for us Americans. It could be the need of space/resources/defense etc.
You imply that a homogeneous country cannot be created but did you ever stop to realize how that homogeneity was created in the first place? It can happen again.
Getting into the demarcation of the classes we would have to talk about specific government types. Their is a reason for royalty and if the children are taught correctly and the parent is smart enough to see bad apples it is good.
An example of nobility that allows the underclass in would be Britannia's noble by the sword which granted nobility for greatness during war. I would personally suggest something different but that would take longer to explain
By garbage bottom-feeders did you mean serfs? If you think you would be a serf in one system that is the lowest class as you have said it would seem to me you should put yourself in the bottom caste of this society also.
Their will always be an elite in your republic that exert unequal influence over the people.
>>71402567
The real issue is allowing a centralized power to determine nobility, whereas in a Republic the will of the person is foremost. I hesitate to encourage any form of centralized government, not because I believe my station is low, but because if it were I may never be allowed to escape.
I think humans (not subhumans) deserve certain autonomy that is guaranteed, in certain centralized governments we could eventually roll the dice against our ambition. I do agree, however, that centralized power is the quickest, most effective way out of our current situtation, and the longer this shit continues, the more necessary it will become. But to the hope it does not come to that, we must at least strive towards national sovereignty and secure borders first and eternal assurances against the Jew.
>>71402925
For that very argument I already posted above Thomas Aquinas's thoughts on it
http://dhspriory.org/thomas/DeRegno.htm
Here it is again I agree with him on most of what I have read.
The republic is an aristocracy
>>71402925
I would also suggest if you have not already read it since you know about the Jew reading the learned protocols of the elders of Zion. They detail plainly why they had to get rid of the royalty in countries to destroy and control them.
>>71398079
>wrong
subjective
