https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0pB8-M1wD8
Daily reminder to all that Bernie is NOT a socialist, nor is the program he's advocating for true authentic socialism. He's basically a eurocuck who wants to see America become more like Sweden.
>>71353971
This. Capitalism alone can't regulate itself enough to not cause a recession, so Sanders is putting a dash of democratic socialism in there to help. I love the guy
xDDD im feelin the bern already OP!!!
>>71353971
>>71354261
>>71353971
IMO he really is running a campaign on the single issue of campaign finance reform and anti political corruption, but has attached a bunch of other shit to his campaign to pander.
He's basically Lessig if Lessig had decided to actually come up with a political platform beyond his single issue.
>>71353971
So ... a socialist.
>become more like sweden
Yeah, no thanks.
>>71353971
>true authentic socialism
Funny how no one who calls themselves a Socialist or repeats Marxist, Leninist, Maoist, Trotskyist, Stalinist, etc ideas is ever a "true" "authentic" "socialist".
>>71354414
I believe that campaign finance reform is a huge part of corruption on capitol hill. I didnt even think about it until Sanders made the comment that billionaires and corps aren't donating, they're investing into a business agreement, and that's when I went Pro-Bernie.
Treasonous shill faggots
>>71354599
well, that's because there's much dispute on the left on how to best achieve communism. most people can look at the mistakes of the 20th century and say there shouldn't be a vanguard party controlling government, but there are some maoists/leninists/stalinists who still think that's the way to go despite evidence to the contrary.
authentic socialism/communism is the type that best places the working class in power. i'm the type of commie who believes that repeating the hierarchy of the ussr is probably not the best way to achieve that goal. i consider people who want to repeat the mistakes of the 20th century to be unauthentic socialists, but i think i came to this conclusion logically.
>>71353971
hes a german destabilization agent
>>71354261
Hahahaha you think socialism can prevent recessions hahahahaha
>>71354916
Why does pol hate Karl Marx but like bernie sanders
>>71355116
that doesnt make any sense
>>71355116
because bernie is moderate compared to karl. they're nothing alike. karl advocates for a demolishment of the present day order, bernie wants to change who is in power of the present day order by not demolishing it, but through election.
totally different methodology. bernie's economic politics are nowhere near as radical as marx's either. you asked a silly question.
>>71353971
I dont give a fuck what goal posting you faggots do. I don't want to pay more taxes for some other faggots benefit
>>71353971
>Implying Sweden isn't socialist
>socialism =/= communism
>don't become socialists, it sucks, and it's very hard to go back
Nice damage control.
>>71330176
>>71354599
What is real capitalism?
>>71354397
But you'll have more stuff to counter what you would lose in taxes. So even if you have less money it's like you have more!
>Bernie supporters believe this.
>>71355257
If you make less than $250,000 yearly now, your taxes wont change. And if you make more than that but under $1 million, your taxes are raised by very small percentages
>so·cial·ism 'soSH??liz?m
>noun
>a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
>policy or practice based on the political and economic theory of socialism.
>(in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of communism.
Notice the last line? Panders is communist.
>>71354261
Basically yes. Sanders wants to increase taxes on the rich but that will only make capitalsim last longer.
>>71355020
But it does. The USSR from 1928-1988 never had a recession outside of WW2.
>>71355595
http://datatitian.com/why-voxs-numbers-for-bernie-sanderss-tax-plans-are-so-wrong/
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/3/25/11306130/tax-calculator-q-and-a
just a quick google search.
>>71355765
Sanders is a social democrat. He only advocates for socialized healthcare and socialized education, something that virtually the whole world has
>>71355977
Source?
>>71355842
Capitalism, in theory, is a great concept. But greed by the top guys in charge is what throws a wrench in the whole fucking operation and that is when the money doesn't flow to the bottom anymore. When good paying jobs are shipped overseas and when big billionaires' money is stored in a tax haven in Guatemala is when I start throwing a fit about capitalism.
>>71355638
You're an idiot if u think Sanders can do everything he promises and only raise tax on millionaires.
>>71355986
>In contrast, other tendencies of democratic socialism advocate for eventual socialism that follow a gradual, reformist or evolutionary path to socialism, rather than a revolutionary one.[13] Often, this tendency is invoked in an attempt to distinguish democratic socialism from Marxist–Leninist socialism, as in Donald Busky's Democratic Socialism: A Global Survey,[14]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_socialism#Definition
Get rekt, communist.
>>71355765
>(in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of communism.
keyword: overthrow. bernie isn't trying to overthrow the establishment, he's trying to integrate himself in it. he's not using violence against the state, he's playing by their rules of election.
supposedly sweden is socialist. is their government meant to be the intermediary between capitalism and communism? sweden still allows for free market enterprise to set up shop within their borders and profit off of workers. that doesn't strike me as very communist, or transitional to communism. it sounds like sweden is preserving the present economic order.
>>71356149
It's not all from millionaires and billionaires; tax on wall street speculation, cutting military spending, which is honestly only built up so we can look like nothing can touch us. Read his plan; it's on his website dude.
>>71353971
Bernie is super socialist
>>71356297
He will overthrow our capitalism when he become POTUS. It is what communists do. They promised many good things. When a communist in office, they transform a nation into totalitarian state.
>>71356191
What the fuck is this? Sweden had democratic Socialism for more then 40 years and it only went more capitalistic. What is your point? Just because some writters and hipster thinkers said, does it make it true?
>>71355638
I really wish you fucking idiots would stop parroting that autodm. Everyone's taxes will go up for Sanders healthcare plan alone, he's admitted this already. You fucking retards also seem to think income tax is the only fucking tax on income. I'm not even going to get into his retarded payroll tax and tax on srick transitions because I know you fucknuts will swallow anything to the person who promises "free shit" because you fucknuts are all fucking stupid but thats not the worst part, it's the fact you want to make everyone else pay for your stupidity
>>71354444
Not really.
>>71356522
>MUH RED MENACE!!!!11!!1!!11
>BEWARE AMERIKUNS!!!11
>>71353971
>>71354261
>not a socialist
>calls himself a socialist
Useful idiots everywhere. I hope he does win, you'll be the first ones dead in the ensuing collapse.
>>71354599
Funny how idiots like you ignore that dictionaries and encyclopedias exist.
>>71356522
i agree that's been what's done in the past, but it's never worked out well. for communism to actually work in a by the people for the people sense, the movement has to come from the under class, not from some representative of the current political establishment. one of the things sorell gets right is that it doesn't make sense for the working class to always hope for a communist revolution by electing supposed communists to political offices. once you get into a political office, you're going to only be looking out for yourself and maintaining your position as a member of the ruling class.
if bernie is the same type of commie as lenin was we're in for a bad time, basically.
>>71356522
Hey kids, look. Another bat-shit right wing tin foil hat wearing faggot
>>71356629
You sure love use Sweden as example. Look at it now. It is a shithole now.
http://speisa.com/modules/articles/index.php/item.454/sweden-to-become-a-third-world-country-by-2030-according-to-un.html
>>71356742
>>71355986
>socialized education
>any different than public education but now it includes colleges
>implying higher education won't degrade into public education-tier shit
Wishful thinking at its finest
>>71353971
Trust me guys you do not want to be more like us
>>71355765
Any evidence to support that he's trying to overthrow the state?
>>71356795
Look at him, another useful idiot.
>>71356910
This
>>71356522
Take off your tinfoil hat and open a fucking book.
>>71356759
>DPRK
>democratic by your logic
>>71356759
What colapse?
>>71356842
Due to immigration policies exported by america.
>>71356874
I'm a Trump supporter
>>71356900
>>implying higher education won't degrade into public education-tier shit
Your college education is already nigger tier, with your safe spaces, women studies...
>>71356902
Why not? Sweden wold be dreamy if not for immigration and weather
>>71356932
>buzzwords intensify
>>71356910
>>71356932
I have no evidence because they act as Jews do. Hide until they choose to show their true color.
>>71357042
I can say same thing to you. USSR and Nazi are fucking socialism. You moron.
>>71354444
Quads don't lie
>>71357185
>MUH JOOS!!
You guys are pathethic. I hope you have a fulfilling life outside 4chan
>>71357141
Why do you think we have this rapefugee flood? It's because of delusional leftist politicans
>>71357141
>Due to immigration policies exported by america.
Thank for prove my point. Bernie want to give illegals citizenship.
>I'm a Trump supporter
Nice try.
>>71354261
>>71354694
>>71355638
>>71356137
>>71356369
fuck off faggot
>>71355576
>>71355986
>>71356092
>>71356629
>>71356742
you too portucuck
>>71356706
>>71356772
>>71356910
>>71357042
go back to your containment board please.
>>71356910
Are you fucking stupid or just never learned reading comprehension? You don't have to overthrow the state to institute a socialist takeover. You can simply institute socialist policies through the current government and keep the same name
>>71357096
>oxymoronic democratic socialism
>doesn't use logic
>>71357329
Again, I can say same thing to you.
>>71357148
Irony
>>71357382
Like FDR's socialist policies? Hmm. I didn't see a communist takeover then.
>>71357141
I'm at a private college, and it's excellent. American universities, while they have their problems and rediculous tuition, are some of the best education institutions in the world. I would hate to see that quality of education degrade because of some crap policy on making it "free"
>>71357337
Immigrtion as nothing to do with political orientation. It's a ploy made by the elites to bring stupid consumers to our borders, so they can keep the country growing. Leftism and such is merely a justification to our stupid masses.
>pro tip: reffuge crysis began in 2010+. 2010-65 =1945
>Europe is so great and cultured
>Why can't we be like them and eat cheese and wine and shit
>Wow museums
>Wow they ride bikes to work
>Look at how much better they are than us. Surely their policies will work exactly the same over here.
>Wow they don't have guns. We should get rid of ours. Guns are scary.
>>71357521
Bernie will just flood the country with gender studies, black history and liberal arts degrees who then can't even get a job at McDonalds because there will be no incentive to hire them.
The more I think about it, the more I want the delusional kike to win.
>>71353971
>wants to see America become more like Sweden.
That alone should speak volumes of how evil this man is. Sweden is basicly hell on earth at this point in time. Anyone who wants to model his country on this should be locked away for life, at least.
>>71357360
This is a free speach place, not a echo cahmber or a cuckservative safe-space. You can go to cuckservatives forums if you don't like to have your opinion challenged
Bernie is communist. Even you try to change the definition. He is fucking communist.
>>71355986
Kill yourself, you cancerous nigger.
shape of things to come
>>71357590
>not voting for the jew who is promising cultural enrichment
>>71357471
Most of the New Deal programs didn't even fucking work, the sole remainders being Social Security, going broke because the government uses it as a slush fund, and medicare, which is such a shit program, most seniors have to get supplemental insurance because hospitals don't want it.
>>71357598
But mohammed and company will never start working, they'll live on benefits and commit crime til the day they die.
>>71357521
And i am at a public university, and i think it's great. I lack nothing. The thing is i don't pay ridiculous tuition.
>>71357610
strawman, the post
>>71357703
Affirmative action will have to disapear under a tax payer funded education. Women deggre too.
>>71357811
Lol, que te doi, mano? És sempre o mesmo que vem para aqui chamar-me preto? Qual é a cena?
>>71357703
If every Joe Schmoe got a college degree, especially in STEM areas, it would be about as meaningful as a high school diploma, which means absolutely dick. I hope to god socialized education is never tried in the U.S.
>>71357986
If it became "free" everybody and their dog would go for a degree, and universities would not be able to keep up their research, quality of education, and salaries for qualified professors.
>>71353971
Hey guys! Reddit here!
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>LOL!
Did you know that Bernie Sanders isn't a socailist?
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He's basically just a massive cuckold who wants to help us all prep the bull equally!
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>>71358065
Não, não sou esse tipo (mas sei de quem falas). Mas o facto de seres esquerdista quer dizer que vais já para a fogueira. Não vou pagar impostos para degenerados de Artes irem para a universidade tirarem cursos de dança feminista.
>>71357986
>Affirmative action will have to disapear under a tax payer funded education. Women deggre too.
Pipe dream, as Bernie support this shit.
>>71357950
>Social Security, going broke
Social security is broke?
> and medicare
Isn't it one of the most popular programs? Even amoung republicans?
Also did you know medicare generally gets the cheapest prices?
>>71357957
>But mohammed and company will never start working, they'll live on benefits and commit crime til the day they die.
They are not here to work, but to get welfare, and to consume. Niggers can't work in modern economies. Most are to stupid. That is why refugges are so popular. Gov easily justify giving welfare to all of them.
This stumps the #bernout
>>71358269
>If it became "free" everybody and their dog would go for a degree
Completely false, since like college funding would be more limited, colleges would take students based on high school performances, not daddy wallet.
USA as 2 times more Uni students per capita the EU-28
>>71358250
Nice "memes" bro.
>>71358010
NOW MY UNIVERSITIES WANT ME TO LEARN!?!? FACIST PATRIARCHS
>>71358312
Eu consideria-me algo alinhado com as visoes normais deste "board". Eu fico algo entre Social democrata (Escandinavia, nao o PSD) e nacional socialista. Apenas uso o tripcode +para ter uns (you) enquanto tou aqui.
>dança feminista.
Isto existe aqui?
>>71358342
Are you sure? Does he support affirmative action under a tax payer, free to student, college?
>>71358010
It's incredible that this only exists in America, where their college education is so much better then European
Socialism = state ownership of the means of production
Communism = utopian ideal society without classes or nations, where workers share everything fairly. AKA not possible.
Sanders is a welfare capitalist, like all the other candidates, but to a greater degree.
>>71357720
Some euro agency has said that a family in Ireland with an income of €75000 and two kids keeps 100.7% of their income when their benefits are taken into account. Its not a huge income but it shows we have our priorities right.
Middle income FAMILIES pay no tax.
>>71358797
Não sou Nazi porque não faz sentido ser Nazi num país cujo povo só se preocupa com pão e circo e temos degenerados a andarem por aí. Ao menos o mercado livre e o ultra capitalismo acabam com isto tudo. Literalmente Darwinismo social.
Não faz sentido ser socialista sem se ser nacionalista.
>>71358358
How the fuck does that help the country grow at all? Money being thrown down the shitter, we're required to take loans to handle all these subhumans
>>71358797
https://berniesanders.com/issues/racial-justice/
>The black unemployment rate has remained roughly twice as high as the white rate over the last 40 years, regardless of education.
The problem isn't white people, it is fucking illegals as they took factories and construction jobs that black people can do. His answer? Increase minimum wage. Kek. Just read the link.
>>71358358
Social Security's solvency is very much near its end which is why there's talk of simply raising taxes so payouts can still be made for a few more decades. And yes, the solvency problem is largely the fault of the government dipping into that money to waste it on other frivolous shit. If a program has to force people to pay more into for it to work a few more years, it's not a good program.
And yes medicare, the medical insurance so good that most pharmaceuticals don't accept it or do at inflated rates, clearly a good program.
>>71357986
You must study in Lisbon you faggot. Our education sucks balls and you know it.
Also, a bachelor degree is already worth shit in here and we don't even have free college. Imagine how it would be in America after they got free college, a bachelor degree would end up being pretty much necessary to get a normal paying job due to the bigger amount of students with that degree, making even more education necessary.
While I think some american states would be ok with a change like that, due to the way wealth is nowhere near evenly spread in the US, it would lead to the closing of many universities which would not be able to handle it. And then the best universities would have a giant influx of students which would lead to bigger classes and less quality in education.
>>71358917
>Socialism = state ownership of the means of production
Marxist socialism
>>71359090
Eu nao sou nazi. Acho que socialismo e nacionalismo combinam.
>num país cujo povo só se preocupa com pão e circo
tipo, todos os paises?
>temos degenerados a andarem por aí.
Nao tás a levar isto muito a serio? O pessoal gosta de se divertir. Nao á problema nenhum em divertir-se
>Não faz sentido ser socialista sem se ser nacionalista.
Nacional socialista
>Ao menos o mercado livre e o ultra capitalismo acabam com isto tudo. Literalmente Darwinismo social.
lol, és um libertario ou lá como se diz? lol
I just read Bernie's statement,
>ENVIRONMENTAL VIOLENCE, on racial justice
>People of color disproportionately experience a daily assault on their health and environment. Communities of color are the hardest hit by air and water pollution from industrial factories, power plants, incinerators, chemical waste and lead contamination from old pipes and paint. At the same time, they lack access to parks, gardens and other recreational green space.
Wtf, white people suffered from this shit as well. By coal mines. Fuck off, Panders.
>>71359173
Nothing will defeat the drive to suppress wages in the west. Blacks cannot leave the poverty trap as long as the first step is a badly paid one.
>Get some sort of non prestigious qualification
>Still be poor.
>>71359133
>How the fuck does that help the country grow at all
It doesn't. It only helps the rich corporation owners. They sell more. Meanwhile we, the common citizen, have to foot the bill in welfare, and crime increase
>>71358571
Yes but the number of applicants would skyrocket. It still would take the funding away from their research and education resources, because if the average taxpayer had to fund university expenses instead of the student body/fundraising, the cost would be astronomical.
>>71358571
But here's the other problem if universities are paid per student by the government you will get incredibly crowed classrooms and the general curriculum will still be shit to cater for as many people as possible, or do you have your own idea for a funding scheme?
>>71359700
I'll just get another bachelor's degree, then when i'm done i'll get 10 associates degrees and then I can retire and get on more of dem programs.
Bernie 2016!
>>71359614
Wages will NOT help black community, you moron. As they don't have jobs available to them. How the hell they can improve their lives when there are no jobs? Even through wage is increased.
$15 minimum wage will destroy small business and small business make up 60% of job market. Communism/socialism will destroy us all. I am no tinfoil as you like to call me.
More on Panders' racial justice,
>Nationwide, the health of communities is consistently ignored in favor of the profits of corporate polluters. The fact that people of color breathe 46 percent more nitrogen dioxide —which causes respiratory diseases and heart conditions — than whites helps explain why one in six African-American kids has asthma.
Source? As he provide no source.
Taken together, these injustices are largely the product of political marginalization and institutional racism. The less political power a community of color possesses, the more likely they are to experience insidious environmental and human health threats. The environmental violence being inflicted on these communities of color is taking a terrible toll, and must be made a national priority. Access to a clean and healthy environment is a fundamental right of citizenship. To deny such rights constitutes an environmental injustice that should never be tolerated.
> institutional racism
Kek.
>if I put democratic in front of the word, everything is fine
Wasn't Bernie for the Sandinistas and against the contras being trained by the U.S.?
>>71359859
Wouldn't free-tuition eliminate the need for there to even be minimum-wage paying jobs? Bernie keeps alluding to how technology facilitates the capabilities to do these minimum-wage jobs through automation, but I think that in the interim for those that are incapable of taking up socialized education for 4 years, then raising the minimum-wage until the have the chance to retire is their only means of survival.
>In addition to the physical violence faced by too many in our country we need to look at the lives of black children and address some difficult facts. Black children, who make up just 18 percent of preschoolers, account for 48 percent of all out-of-school suspensions before kindergarten. We are failing our black children before kindergarten. Black students are expelled at three times the rate of white students. Black girls are suspended at higher rates than all other girls and most boys. According to the Department of Education, African-American students are more likely to suffer harsh punishments — suspensions and arrests — at school. Black students attend schools with higher concentrations of first-year teachers when compared with white students.
Why? Is because they behave shitty and they have no dad? Shitty culture? N-no way.
>>71359246
>Social Security's solvency is very much near its end
Source?
>>71359457
>You must study in Lisbon you faggot
Minho. A nossa educação é razoavel. Claro que se fores para Bragança e Alguns politecnicos, então aquilo é lixo.
Nós não temos grau de bacharelato. E cursos ainda valem, apenas temos alguns que tão saturados. Deves ser daqueles que gostava de voltar ao tempo em que o engenheiro ou medico era da classe alta e acima dos camponios
> a bachelor degree would end up being pretty much necessary to get a normal paying job
Isto já se verifica hoje em dia. As economias evoluem e hoje em dia é necessaria muita mais obra de mao qualificada que antigamente. Os nossos pais e avós arranjaram bons empregos sendo praticamente analfabetos.
>While I think some american states would be ok with a change like that, due to the way wealth is nowhere near evenly spread in the US
Even the poorest state i US has probably 2 or 3 times the GDP per capita then Portugal. Money is not something gringos lack
> it would lead to the closing of many universities
So? Some of them are pure cancer.
> And then the best universities would have a giant influx of students which would lead to bigger classes and less quality in education.
Great. So the uni could pick only the best.
> yfw americans are talking about the horrors of free education while youre just sitting here studying for free
>>71360248
>Wouldn't free-tuition eliminate the need for there to even be minimum-wage paying jobs?
>>71353971
>true authentic socialism
I already said that.
America wanting to be Brazil.
Oh my God. I can't believe this.
Go to this guys YouTube channel.
He has tons of video's, wears communist party clothing, defending Mao, defending NK, defending BLM, defending anti-white and white-guilt and his comment sections consists of 12 year old gamers, people with pony-avatars, meme-names, nu-males (look at the avatars!) all agreeing with him. And they are all spoiled kids.
>>71359700
And quotas would be established. For example, unis this year have only room for 300.000 students. The 300.000 best would be picked to enroll. Thoise that couldn't make it either go to private or study harder and try next year.
You could also implement sort of national exams (like SAT iirc) to screen all applicants.
>because if the average taxpayer had to fund university expenses instead of the student body/fundraising, the cost would be astronomical.
The average tax payer has to fund already in stuent loans. Also there is much kikery going on on your unis. For example, a uni student costs less then a high scholl student to our state.
More on Panders policies!
>https://berniesanders.com/issues/caring-for-our-veterans/
Wow, he have guts to support Veterans after what he done for Veterans as he is fucking VA chairman.
He admit it!
>As the former Chairman and a current member of the Senate Veterans’ Affairs Committee, one of Sen. Sanders’ highest priorities in Congress has been ensuring that our veterans receive the care and benefits they have earned.
Disgusting.
>>71359851
Pretty simple, just implement that uni would be free for only 4 years.
>>71360267
I get payed to study
>>71355116
>>71360248
>Wouldn't free-tuition eliminate the need for there to even be minimum-wage paying jobs?
What? All that's going to do is make a new floor IF everyone has the intellectual capacity to graduate. We all know that's not the case, but hold on! We can just pass everyone like high school, problem solved. =^)
>>71360267
"Free"
I don't want to pay so some faggot can get a gender studies degree. You have a right to an education but you don't have the right to make me pay for it. Eat a dick Sweden and let me know when you have something resembling job and GDP growth sometime this decade
>>71358312
Isso mesmo, manda esse canhoto se foder!
>>71361002
>I don't want to pay so some faggot can get a gender studies degree.
You already do. He gets the student loans that he uses to get a worthless deggre, and probably never actually pays the student loans back
>>71360709
>The average tax payer has to fund already in stuent loans
Literally what? It's a private loan between a bank and a student. Average taxpayer has nothing to do with this
>you could implement some sort of national exam
That is literally what the SAT and ACT are. Not to mention that some colleges already have individual entrance exams.
Without proper funding, which will NEVER come from the government, the quality of these education institutions would atrophy.
>>71353971
>Sanders was trained Maoism and Leninism in a SOCIALIST KIBBUTZ
>own former colleague on record saying that socialism is communism, just rebranded (CNN article, easily looked up, faggot)
>but, but, he's not a socialist! he put democrat in front of it! he's just a witless old man! he's too nice to be a commie!
>nicetry.jpg
Now go fuck off, you have a black history class to be in.
Look at gold mine!
https://berniesanders.com/issues/income-and-wealth-inequality/
>Demanding that the wealthy and large corporations pay their fair share in taxes. As president, Sen. Sanders will stop corporations from shifting their profits and jobs overseas to avoid paying U.S. income taxes. He will create a progressive estate tax on the top 0.3 percent of Americans who inherit more than $3.5 million. He will also enact a tax on Wall Street speculators who caused millions of Americans to lose their jobs, homes, and life savings.
Bitch, the reason why corps are leaving America because we have fucking 40% corp tax. While Sweden, which Panders love so much, have 22% corp tax. Panders are so fucking moron.
Bernie supporters are fucking retards.
>>71353971
He is a self proclaimed socialist, you fag
>>71359530
>Nao tás a levar isto muito a serio? O pessoal gosta de se divertir. Nao á problema nenhum em divertir-se
Exato. Mas eu não devo pagar impostos para ter drogados reabilitados ou putas a abortarem crianças nos hospitais quando podia estar usá-lo para fazer algo útil para a Humanidade ou pelo menos para a minha comunidade e amigos.
>lol, és um libertario ou lá como se diz? lol
Sou, pois claro. Não sou daqueles que é ingénuo o suficiente para dizer que ter milhões de pretos a imigrar para o Ocidente é uma boa ideia ("muh cheap labour" é nojento), mas o mundo perfeito seria um mercado livre mundial controlado por brancos europeus (ou qualquer grupo de pessoas com um QI acima de 100 e sem ajudas do governo para sustentarem os seus vícios).
Lefty /pol/ BTFO
>>71361321
They should really just start a legit cult where they all pledge to kill themselves to save humanity.
>>71360368
No retort? Okay.
The barrier of entry towards a higher living wage becomes easier to cross over if a person specializes in a field of study that is needed in society. If this free-tuition program that Bernie wants to instate becomes a reality, there should be provisions that get made to those who qualify for free university to "screen" them and see which field of study would be best suited for the individual.
>>71360916
>common-core for universities
Many universities are already a joke and the incompetence of people who are able to graduate university, which is already the case today, shows once they join their career sector. They usually don't make it long into their careers without realizing how unqualified they are for the positions that they "studied" and not "paid their way".
There are going to be outliers for everything, sure enough.
Free-tuition is not anything that we should be afraid of, though.
>>71358312
Eu faço faculdade de artes (pago com meu próprio dinheiro, não com o do povo) e no meu prédio tem salas do curso de dança. A degeneração vai de lésbicas até travestis barbudos de saias.
>>71361444
You seems forget about trade jobs. College is not the answer for everyone.
>>71361443
That's why I call them brain dead liberals.
>>71361155
Who said if agreed with that? If I had my way, there would be no government backed loans and quite frankly, I don't foot the whole bill, that faggot who took the loan can't back out of it. He'll pay it with wage garnishment for the rest of his life and that doesn't bother me. Make adult decisions, get adult consequences.
>>71355842
He's going to increase taxes on everyone moron, not just the rich. His model is big government and such a beastly model needs a beastly cost for almost no value at all.
>>71354261
>Believing the 'democratic socialist meme'
Lenin was a part of the Russian Social Democrat Party and look at what happened to democracy once he got put into power, look at how government expanded and consumed millions of lives at a great and terrible cost. People starved to death in Russia even with American support, its steel industry was shit-tier, cannibalism apparently also became a thing when the government came knocking to take your crap in the name of "the people"
This is your beloved utopia, what you wish to hand over out of your own hubris and arrogance at the expense of the nation and those who died to protect its values from socialism in Nazi Germany and the USSR.
>>71354444
>no one is checking these quads
Also reminder to all that identity politics and SJWs have NOTHING to do with socialism.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maq8LnJX0ak
>>71361132
Na minha terra sempre se disse :
"Macacos todos para a selva!!!"
>>71361210
>Literally what? It's a private loan between a bank and a student. Average taxpayer has nothing to do with this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Student_loan#United_States
>In the United States, there are two types of student loans: federal loans sponsored by the federal government
Some of them are payed by american tax payers at least.
>Without proper funding, which will NEVER come from the government, the quality of these education institutions would atrophy.
Acordind too?
>>71361321
He doesn't want to increase corporate tax. I fully support Wall street speculator tax. Let the kikes suffer too.
>>71361376
>Mas eu não devo pagar impostos para ter drogados reabilitados
Porque não? É melhor que eles sejam reabilitados do que a pedir nas portas dos predios
>putas a abortarem crianças nos hospitais
Porque não? Antes mais vale a puta sem filhos.
> podia estar usá-lo para fazer algo útil para a Humanidade
MAnter putas sem filhos e drogados fora da minha comunidade é algo muito bom. Agora já que falas de dinheiro, gastamos mais de 15 mil milhoes nos bancos, e nenhum deles foi preso. Isso é que eu acho que é criminal
>Sou, pois claro.
Então não adianta falar mais. Quando cresceres vais entender.
>>71361573
Where did you read in my post that I insinuated that EVERYONE should go to college? Those who want to go to college, but can't afford to go to college, should be able to do so without having student loan debt hinder them from being good contributors to society.
Again, I can only see free-tuition benefiting the economy by having those people who truly believe they would be able to graduate university to get placed in majors that would put us at a higher competitive level than we currently are, and take R&D back from Israel and China.
>>71361476
>Eu faço faculdade de artes (pago com meu próprio dinheiro, não com o do povo)
Só isso faz de ti um gajo porreiro. Boa sorte aí no Brazil.
>>71356137
Hmmmm... Why do you think jobs get sent overseas???
>>71361870
>He doesn't want to increase corporate tax
I didn't say he want to increase corp tax. He want to FORCE corps to pay tax that we currently have. AND the reason why corps are leaving ARE FUCKING 40% TAX.
Funny thing, Panders want America to be same as Sweden and he ignore Sweden's 22% corp tax. Nice try.
>>71361444
Checked.
How about we work to rework the failed K-12 system and make those degrees useful again? I'd have no problem with the following scenario: We need more mechanical engineers right now and in the near future, so we allow the very brightest to go to school completely free. It's highly competitive, and the color of your skin means nothing in getting this free education.
We don't need more liberal arts degrees. I will oppose an open door and free ride to them at every step of the way. Same for all the other degrees that are clogging the underemployment statistics. If you want to take a loan out or pay for them yourself or get the money in some other way, fine. I don't want to pay for it, and neither does many other people.
>>71361911
That debt is the part of the contract they entered into as an adult seeking a loan. If you don't want that debt, find another way to pay for school. You don't have the right to make someone pay for a service you want. An education is an investment, pay the price, or fuck off. If you want it, you'll get it. If you want to make excuses about the consequences, then you didn't want it in the first place.
>>71357471
Ever heard of how to boil a frog? If you throw that bitch right in when it's boiling he will jump out. But if you place him in there when it's cool, and slowly turn the heat up, you got yourself a boiled frog m8
>>71361476
>pago com meu próprio dinheiro
Não só, o estado mete sempre dinheiro na educação.
> A degeneração vai de lésbicas até travestis barbudos de saias.
E? deixa os levarem no cu e roçarem-se á vontade.
>>71361649
>muh responsability
Like the banks did in '08? Why didn't they "foot the bill"? Why didn't they get arrested?
>>71362061
>He want to FORCE corps to pay tax that we currently have.
Just like Trump wants to enforce the immigration law. It's a perfectly reasonable thing to do, to expect people to abide by the law.
>AND the reason why corps are leaving ARE FUCKING 40% TAX.
Tariffs
>>71362091
> make those degrees useful again?
What do you mean by this?
>>71361911
Yeah, you are right. I misread. I got ... too passionate. Remember, most college students are young and they don't know what they want. They are likely to be lost.
I do agree that university tuition costs should be lowered but free? It will not work. In theory, it sounds nice but in reality, not so much.
>>71362061
Actually Sanders does want to increase the corporate tax rate along with payroll taxes
>>71362320
>>He want to FORCE corps to pay tax that we currently have.
>Just like Trump wants to enforce the immigration law. It's a perfectly reasonable thing to do, to expect people to abide by the law.
>>AND the reason why corps are leaving ARE FUCKING 40% TAX.
>Tariffs
God... Nevermind, as you seems don't get it.
>>71361870
>federal aid
Yeah this only applies to a small portion of students. Any reason to disqualify you and they will.
You're trying to lecture a college student in the U.S. about student loans. I'm well aware of the situation
>>71353971
Actually it doesn't even matter if he is a true or false commie/socialist. What really matters are the people who support him and what are they ready to do.
The thing is that the American society is giving the opportunity to people like Bernie to raise the popularity of leftist ideas and therefore lead the whole country to a massacre someday. I can't believe this is really happening.
>>71362407
I know about payroll tax but corp tax too? Fucking communist.
>>71362393
>It will not work. In theory, it sounds nice but in reality, not so much.
It works in countries with 1/5th of USA GDP per capita.
>>71362632
And why do you support college tuition? I think that if a young adult wants to better himself trough education shouldn't be hindered by such a massive debt so early in life
>>71362900
Ask for source. Never believe anything that is written here ffs. Internet 101.
>>71353971
MFW
>Be comunist
>Complain about capitalism in video blog
>Use capitalist website to host video
>Use capitalist video camera with capitalist film and battery
>Sitting on his capitalist swing set in the back yard of his capitalist private property behind his capitalist built home within his capitalist fence
>>71361870
>Porque não? É melhor que eles sejam reabilitados do que a pedir nas portas dos predios
Isso acontece durante uma ou duas gerações, depois vês que as pessoas ficam mais hesitantes quanto á droga, porque sabem que o Estado papá não vai ajudar (e ninguém gosta de ter drogados na senpaiília).
Mata-te amigo.
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can't believe jason hasn't been institutionalized yet
>>71356092
soviet economics ministry statistics what else
>>71361870
E quanto a isso dos bancos. Deviam ser todos presos ou corridos daqui para fora. O governo não deve resgatar criminosos
>>71362320
>What do you mean by this?
Make the high school diploma something to be proud of again. Not something you get and throw away because no one really cares about it.
Reading Level of U.S. Adults Percent
Proficient 13 %
Intermediate 44 %
Basic 29 %
Below Basic 14 %
http://www.statisticbrain.com/number-of-american-adults-who-cant-read/
We are doing such a fine job with high school students, why are we even talking about ""free"" college again?
>>71363104
>Ask for source. Never believe anything that is written here ffs. Internet 101.
Hence '?'
>It will not work. In theory, it sounds nice but in reality, not so much.
>It works in countries with 1/5th of USA GDP per capita.
Source?
>>71361870
E mais, porque estou a divertir-me:
Se os drogados forem para as portas dos prédios os proprietários mandam-nos para fora. Estão em propriedade privada, tem de bazar.
>>71359004
well that's not how it works in America
>>71363185
>depois vês que as pessoas ficam mais hesitantes quanto á droga, porque sabem que o Estado papá não vai ajudar
wow, não sabes mesmo nada sobre drogas. Nem sobre a vida. És literalmente um miudo, ou um autista.
>>71363284
it could be a good source. Records soviets had might have some credibility. Now pravda reports, or propaganda ministry...
>>71363341
High school is a piece of paper. It's not like you can program with a HS diploma. Education is vital for some jobs.
>Reading Level of U.S. Adults Percent
I dont know what this means. They can«t read? they read slowly?
>>71363104
While it is rediculous, the education is great. That being said, you get out what you put into it. If you throw a bunch of money at college and spend your time partying you won't get much of an education. College tuition is too high, yes. But making it a government/tax-funded system will do way more harm
>>71362632
>Any reason to disqualify you and they will.
Not true at all. I was a fuck up my first year of college and lost my financial aid twice. both times I was easily able to get it back.
>>71364004
It is true. Almost everyone I know, myself included, has been denied federal aid. Not to mention that it may only cover a small portion of the total cost.
>>71363482
>>71363302
Claro
>portas dos prédios os proprietários mandam-nos para fora.
Quando os proprietarios querem saber. E quando eles vão embora. E quando eles continuam a voltar? Eu não queria que houvesse drogados a rondar a zona onde eu vivo.
E tu nuca viste o que um drogado pode fazer para ter dinheiro. O desespero é algo que possivelmente nunca viste, ou sentiste. Ainda bem.
>>71363873
Então diz-me o que acontece, ó grande sábio de esquerda.
>>71353971
>>71354261
Sure...
>>71364475
Se não se tivessem drogado se calhar não teriam arruinado a vida para ficarem desesperados. Responde à minha pergunta e depois suicida-te.
>>71363873
>I dont know what this means. They can«t read? they read slowly?
It means this: when the benevolent omniscient federal government gets involved by blackmailing schools to follow their standards lest they be denied funding this one of the results. Adults that would have a hard time keeping up with the conversation on /pol/ even.
Free college for all is the same outcome. Bureaucratic idiots micromanaging everything and fucking it up in the process. Large class sizes and admitting people who don't even belong to fuel funding and redistribution of wealth to keep themselves in jobs and growing.
I don't trust Washington to manage much of anything, but apparently you have great faith for some reason.
>>71355765
More breaking news next: SNOW IS (SOMETIMES) COLD!
>>71363942
Literally like mine education. It's great. It's chalenging. And you get fucked if you only party.
but i don't get out wit 60k debt for it. And my arents don't pay that much more taxes then americans.
>>71364505
As pessoas que querem drogas vão telas. proibiçao nunca funcionou muito bem. Portugal é um caso de estudo da discriminalização de drogas muito bem sucedido.
>>71364602
Quando um dia precisares de ajuda lembra-te das palavras que usas-te. A vida pode tar a correr bem por enquanto, mas pode chegar a um dia em que não irá correr tão bem.
>Se não se tivessem drogado se calhar não teriam arruinado a vida para ficarem desesperados.
É verdade, mas não deixa de ser um concidadão meu. Eu acho que de todas a despesas que o estado tem, aquelas que são para ajudar um Português são aquelas que são mais justficadas
>>71364776
Water is wet! I can't believe it! Water is democratic wet not wet!
>>71364612
>I don't trust Washington to manage much of anything, but apparently you have great faith for some reason.
State consistently provides cheaper services when dealing in bulk. Like healthcare and education for example.
>>71365278
>State consistently provides cheaper services when dealing in bulk. Like healthcare and education for example.
And you get what you pay for in that case. Refer to the link in my previous post.
>>71365093
Just because it works on a small scale doesn't mean it will work on a large scale. The universities in the U.S. require lots of money for their institutions, something taxes just wouldn't be able to support at the current cost.
>>71365093
>Quando um dia precisares de ajuda lembra-te das palavras que usas-te. A vida pode tar a correr bem por enquanto, mas pode chegar a um dia em que não irá correr tão bem.
Por acaso sou de uma senpaiília pobre e de um lar desfeito. Nunca tive mordomias nem merdas luxuosas, mas sempre detestei pessoas na minha situação que detestam os "ricos" e essa treta toda. Esse raciocínio do "Há sempre algum pior que eu" leva à inacção e previne que as merdas necessárias sejam feitas.
>As pessoas que querem drogas vão telas. proibiçao nunca funcionou muito bem. Portugal é um caso de estudo da discriminalização de drogas muito bem sucedido.
Eu não disse que elas tem que ser proibidas. São legais, mas eu não pago impostos para instituições públicas darem serviços reabilitativos a esses animais.
t. filho cujo pai é alcoólico e drogado
>>71362091
I came to the same conclusion about free college as you. I don't mind my tax dollars going to someone who can benefit the country. If the government stops giving grants and loans to students not in STEM or high demand degrees, then they could work a deal with universities to pay for students who meet the qualifications at a higher tuition cost. The gov saves money by not giving grants and loans to everyone else, while universities benefit from the higher income for the students in the program. Colleges would then have to lower tuition for students not in these degrees of need in order for them to afford it without Gov assistance, but at the same time can make up for the lower cost with the high cost of the certain programs.
>>71364235
If you're a NEET in your parents basement and applying with their tax returns then you'll probably be denied.
>>71364235
If you live on your own and go to school full time you will more then likely get it.
>>71365919
Check the amount of some US college budget that goes to football programs or basketball.
>at the current cost.
The cost would be scaled back, of course.
>>71365950
>senpaiília
lol, o filtro de f-amilia.
>Por acaso sou de uma senpaiília pobre e de um lar desfeito
Espero o melhor de ti
> Nunca tive mordomias nem merdas luxuosas
nem eu, mas é injusto dizer que sou pobre. Nunca passei por necessidades. Considero-me filho de classe média-baixa
>mas sempre detestei pessoas na minha situação que detestam os "ricos"
Eu não detesto os ricos. Mas é um bocado dificil ouvir alguns deles a vir dizer que a culpa de crise é do povo porque viveu acima das suas possibilidades, e pouco depois, largam uns milhares de milhoes nos bancos.
E é um bocado dificil de defender a classe empresarial portuguesa, devido ao facto de ser de qualidade baixa.
>Esse raciocínio do "Há sempre algum pior que eu" leva à inacção e previne que as merdas necessárias sejam feitas.
?
>São legais, mas eu não pago impostos para instituições públicas darem serviços reabilitativos a esses animais.
tens muitas experiencias pessoais e possivelmente magoas ainda por curar. Não quero parecer que tou a gozar, ams se calhar já pensaste em ir a um psicologo?
>>71366983
Check the amount those colleges make from those games.
>costs would be scaled back, of course
At the expense of research and education quality.
>>71353971
Muh special kind of true socialism that has never been tried before and will surely work just perfect and that will not descend into totalitarianism. You just have to believe the cuck.
>>71366983
Sinto muito que também tenhas tido essa experiência, mas eu também não disse que defendo os ricos a todo o custo. Defendo os ricos que criam riqueza e productos que os consumidores querem. Não defendo os judeus que esta board nos avisa sempre de.
Aquela coisa do "Há sempre alguém pior que eu" é aquele argumento que os da esquerda usam: "Ir para o Espaço? Para quê? Temos tanta pobreza e fome na Terra! Investir centenas de milhões em X? Mas e os meninos em África?!!" Impede o progresso da Humanidade. O verdadeiro progresso e não o "progresso" de esquerda.
>tens muitas experiencias pessoais e possivelmente magoas ainda por curar. Não quero parecer que tou a gozar, ams se calhar já pensaste em ir a um psicologo?
Não, nada disso. Eu dou-me bem com o meu pai, mas não é por ele ser meu pai que merece o meu respeito ou afecto. As pessoas devem ser contabilizadas pelas suas acções e devem ser ajudadas voluntariamente por outras pessoas e caridades. O governo não me deve forçar a pagar cirurgias a travestis ou a alimentar ciganos.
>>71367668
>As pessoas devem ser contabilizadas pelas suas acções e devem ser ajudadas voluntariamente por outras pessoas e caridades. O governo não me deve forçar a pagar cirurgias a travestis ou a alimentar ciganos.
Olá anão,concordo totalmente. Os esquerdolas adoram cobiçar o que é dos outros e querer obter bens materiais para os quais não trabalharam. São uns hipocritas que se apoiam nas costas dos necessitados para justificar roubar o pão dos que trabalham. Querem um mundo melhor, pois então trabalhem, paguem impostos, deixem-se de passeios, bebedeiras, ganzas e luxos e façam voluntariado e dêem a quem precisa por vossa iniciativa.
>>71367222
No, at the expense of sports programs, overpayed administrative staff, overpayed teachers, useless instalations.
States with half of USA average wealth can do it.
>research
Sweden unis spends more on research per capita
>>71367222
nice trips.
>>71366983
Football, basketball and baseball can support themselves at a large university. It's almost like an investment for smaller schools because if they can put together a decent team and build a fan base then they can recruit better players/coaches/staff and hopefully establish a success program. If they can do it they'll make enough to fund other areas within the school, but if not it becomes a financial burden. it's risk/reward.
>>71367668
>Defendo os ricos que criam riqueza e productos que os consumidores querem
Como eu. Mas as coisas não funcionam assim. Á sempre gajos que se vão aproveitar.
>Não defendo os judeus que esta board nos avisa sempre de.
Judeus etnia ou judeus como gananciosos?
>O verdadeiro progresso e não o "progresso" de esquerda.
Eu não sou esquerdista, nem apoio o BE ou PCP. Têm realmente algumas boas ideias, mas a retorica é forte demais para mim.
>As pessoas devem ser contabilizadas pelas suas acções e devem ser ajudadas voluntariamente por outras pessoas e caridades.
E quando nã existe caridade suficiente? Quando fou a ultima vez que alguem arrendou casas a 5 euros para algumas pessoas não ficarem sem-abrigos?
> O governo não me deve forçar a pagar cirurgias a travestis
Concordo contigo
>ou a alimentar ciganos.
não deves conhecer niguem que odeie os ciganos mais que eu, acredita.
>>71368127
Só falta é acrescentar no fim : "Vota PSD"
>>71368127
>Só falta é acrescentar no fim : "Vota PSD"
PNR é o único partido de direita em Portugal.
>>71368153
>population of Sweden: 9.6 million
>population of US: 318 million
Not a fair comparison on research funding.
Why do you even have an opinion on US education? Have you been through the public education system here?
>>71353971
Far more likely to end up as Venezuela than Sweden you stupid fucks.
You have too many niggers in your country.
Nobody wants to pay for niggers and you refuse to address their true problems.
>>71369154
per capita, you retard. od course we can draw a comparison
>Why do you even have an opinion on US education?
Because USA has a tremendous influence on the outside.
>>71369095
>PNR
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hkoZFTyUPg
lol
>>71368153
The major sports at big universities have alumni organizations that help support them, as well as, support from the NCAA to help them work TV and TV network deals. The NCAA has it's own problems though and have a hand in some of the negatives college sports. The cost of maintaining sports is high, but it can be covered.
>>71353971
This. I think Bernie is shit but most people don't actually know the difference between socialism and capitalism with excessive welfare. If the means of production aren't owned by the state its not socialism.
>>71369608
How about you cite your sources instead of throwing a useless statistic around.
>>71369608
>lol
Tipico de comuna tentar ridicularizar quem discorda da doutrina. Não deves é ter espelhos em casa.
>>71370305
https://data.oecd.org/rd/gross-domestic-spending-on-r-d.htm
Had to click like 10 times in a row for street numbers in fucking captcha
>>71353971
>>71368153
>overpaid sports programs
Even with the scholarships for the athletes and the salaries for the head coaches, NCAA programs bring in BILLIONS in revenue. Far more than those shitty liberal arts drama programs.
>>71369718
>If the means of production aren't owned by the state its not socialism.
So basically it's "move all your shit out of the US as fast as you can!" the political system?
>>71369718
If the majority of your revenue goes to the state, they effectively control the income of the country. it's not hard to understand, that's why the concept of wealth redistribution is associated with socialism.
>>71370613
Thank you for actually citing, I wish people would do that more. However, this study also includes government and private research facilities, so it isn't just universities. Also, adjust the setting so it displays millions of U.S. dollars instead of % of GDP and see how Sweden compares.
>>71370799
Are you sure?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/sports/wp/2015/11/23/running-up-the-bills/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/why-students-foot-the-bill-for-college-sports-and-how-some-are-fighting-back/2015/11/30/7ca47476-8d3e-11e5-ae1f-af46b7df8483_story.html
http://wtop.com/local-sports/2015/12/athletic-fees-3-area-universities-drum-big-money/
There is something called student fees, that i didn't knew about
Literally paying so Tyrone can come to a college freely, fuck Stacy and get a deggre without studying
>>71371085
So in america
>>71370642
who's the 2nd guy from the left, and where is castro/che/chavez?
>>71371341
>djust the setting so it displays millions of U.S. dollars instead of % of GDP and see how Sweden compares.
Lol, america has 350 million persons, and sweden 9 million. That is a bot dishonest.
>However, this study also includes government and private research facilities
I know that, i can't find a better source. But it still proves the point. It is even worse, because it helps dispel the myth of healthcare R&D that suposedly american foot the bill
>>71353971
hes actually a russian plant, he will destroy capitalism and the west
>>71370799
they bring in billions for people other than the school itself.
just like major stadiums are extorted from the public coffers and all the money goes to large businesses with the public barely breaking even from tax revenue.
>>71371576
Even set to % of GDP it is still only a 1% difference. In the end, percentages don't equate to research results. My whole argument is that making college institutions paid for by taxes is unrealistic due to the sheer amount of money required, and that there would be a sharp decline in quality of education
>>71372580
>My whole argument is that making college institutions paid for by taxes
Not all. Maybe only state college would be public or something.
>unrealistic due to the sheer amount of money required
Germany does it. France does it. Almsot every contry in the western world does it.
Why do you think USA is a special snowflake? Sure, it wouldn't be like Sweden, or germany, but USA could easily implement, not taking political unwhilingness in account.
>there would be a sharp decline in quality of education
Why? You think money == quality of education?
Why do you think quality would be lower?
>>71372996
It is such a bitch to argue on an iPhone..
>why do you think the U.S. is a special snowflake
Because the U.S. has 4,700+ higher education institutions, unlike Germany or France, which have 70 and 49 respectively.
>why would there be a decrease in quality of education
Because the government is horrible at allocating funds for education. It is one of the countries highest expenses as it stands, and if the colleges will be funded anything like what public education is, I have no doubt the quality will decline. You have to pay professor/department employee salaries, education supplies, technology for the classrooms, college-sponsored services (financial aid, dining services, etc), maintenance and upkeep, and more. The cost is unimaginably high
>>71371408
I'm gonna guess Engels.
>>71374058
>Because the government is horrible at allocating funds for education.
US gov or general gov?
>It is one of the countries highest expenses as it stands
Exactly
> I have no doubt the quality will decline.
your opinion. but not what reality says
>You have to pay professor/department employee salaries,
Bloated due to competition
>education supplies, technology for the classrooms, college-sponsored services (financial aid, dining services, etc), maintenance and upkeep,
Wich can be reduced by buying by bulk. Imagine if a company was supplying chairs for the entire US tertiary education system. What kind of prices could the US get.
pro-tip: Medicare usually gets the best prices
>Because the U.S. has 4,700+ higher education institutions
Don't you think it's a little bloated?
And i think Germany and France has more. My country has like 40 uni, including private. And i'm not even counting "politecnicos" kind of like trade schools
>>71356795
You know that pic is pro-Trump, right?
>>71353971
> eurocuck who wants to make us like Swedenistan
That's just as terrible.
>>71374777
>my opinion
Of course it is. I've been through the public education system here and for the most part it's dismal.
>buy in bulk
Now this will cause a decline in quality. Nobody wants to sit on cheap plastic chairs and use textbooks from the 1980s
>don't you think it's a little bloated?
This is including 2-year colleges and 4-year public and private universities. I think competition between them is an excellent thing, and it forces these institutions to keep standards high. It also offers a diverse range of degree programs you can study all over the country, so there is something for everyone.
The numbers for the U.S., France, and Germany are pulled off of a google search. Either way, it highlights the sheer numerical difference between the number of higher education institutions between them and the U.S.
>>71375811
>Now this will cause a decline in quality.
Now you are talking shit
Do you guys till buy textbooks?
> I think competition between them is an excellent thing, and it forces these institutions to keep standards high.
No it doesn't. What makes a quality tertiary education i your opinion?
>to keep standards high.
From what i hear, US standards are pretty bad. I heard that you guys don't flunk out anymore in tertiary.
> It also offers a diverse range of degree programs you can study all over the country
So in here. I admit that our master and PhD programs are somewhat lacking, in some fields
>>71376317
>now you're taking shit
Says the guy who lives and studies halfway across the world. Yes we still buy textbooks. As information on the subjects changes, so must the literature.
>what makes quality tertiary education
I believe it is partly the institutional environment, partly the student body, and partly the educators. The ability to provide high-quality research and literature for these classes is expensive.
>people don't flunk out in tertiary
Don't know where you heard that one. That's just false.
>>71377023
We don't buy textbooks anymore. The professor must provide the material to study. There is always complementary information is uni library, wich is free.
>I believe it is partly the institutional environment, partly the student body, and partly the educators.
And where do the multi millions come in? You can achieve those 3 (wich i agree) with much less funding, and no student debt.
>The ability to provide high-quality research
Wich goes in R&D, and like i showed you, USA is not top 1. Public systems contribute much more.
>literature for these classes is expensive.
It's not. I don't really understand why is it mandatory to acquire textbooks for uni classes. I mean, everything is online already.
>Don't know where you heard that one. That's just false.
Ok, thank you
>>71377820
There are just too many students for the professor to provide for. Our library is free, but if we want a copy of the textbook for homework and such, we have to buy it (or just not get it if the class doesn't require it). What is your average class size?
>where do the multi millions come in?
Institutional environment costs money (computers, projector, school infrastructure, etc), and educators. If you want the best people with the most experience to teach at your university, it isn't cheap.
>which goes into r&d, like I showed you
College/university research =/= total R&D, as your graph showed. College R&D many times is not government subsidized, although often times they will secure grants from outside sources. My point is that universities have to pay for much of the research themselves, which isn't cheap
>>71378838
>There are just too many students for the professor to provide for.
Why not? Every student in the same must know the same? Put a pdf or something in the class online page or something.
>Our library is free, but if we want a copy of the textbook for homework and such, we have to buy it
Can't you just requisition the book? like, take it home for 2 or 3 weeks?
>or just not get it if the class doesn't require it
Classes require you to buy books?
>What is your average class size?
Depends, but my class (not representative) is somewhere betwenn 50-100. It usualy drops around mid semester to 20-50. In some other courses there is classes of 200 students, and classes of 20 students.
>computers, projector, school infrastructure,
And you think my classes are on top of trees? That stuff his not THAT expensive. Expensive, sure, but not multi million constant investments
> If you want the best people with the most experience to teach at your university
It's not necessary the very best to teach. My teachers are somewhat competent, that range from the good, to some that are bad. I'm sure it's just like you.
> it isn't cheap.
because of your competition in tertiary education.
>College/university research =/= total R&D
Colleges are a major source of R&D. But you are free to find a better source to disprove me
> is not government subsidized
I'd say the majority is state funded
> which isn't cheap
You know what else isn't cheap? Athlet fees. Dat new dank arena will not pay for itself bro.
>>71362320
>Like the banks did in '08? Why didn't they "foot the bill"? Why didn't they get arrested?
because they run the show. why would they arrest themselves?
>>71380232
Exactly. It is we, the people, that must judge them and execute them. Hang them in main square.
>>71380528
good luck getting to them though. they've been pitting left vs right, christians vs muslims, religious vs atheist, rich vs poor, man vs woman, straight vs gay so that when shit hits the fan everyone is angry, violent and hateful, but first of all, occupied, so he doesn't go after them, and then everyone will be exhaused, and easy pickings for a complete takeover.
>>71381024
That is actually somewhat plausible. I simply wished i had nothing to lose so i could kill one of those fuckers.
