You Can Live Without Working
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I think I've discovered an individual solution to surviving in our fucked up society. It basically amounts to a three-step plan:
STEP ONE: set a deadline to quit your job. Mine is May 5th, 2017. On or before that date, I will hand in my papers to quit my job.
STEP TWO: Between now and your deadline date, accumulate as much money as possible, as well as camping supplies, handy skills, important reading material, and a hobby or two.
STEP THREE: quit your job, become a traveling vagabond, play music, write journals and stories, hop trains, hitch hike, take pictures, work seasonal labour in warm climates, travel freely, make friends, visit family.
You will learn to reject materialism. You will learn to live in the moment and enjoy your life for what it is. You will make friends with interesting people. You will be under no obligation to a boss, to the jews, to the corrupt politicians, or to the media. You will be living independently.
And maybe you'll be happy.
THOUGHTS?
>>71300806
YOU'RE A FUCKING RED LEAF!!
>>71300806
Fuck off nigger, we don't need anymore bums
>>71300806
basically the plot of golden boy, but you forgot the hawt qts
I'm doing that this Fall. I'm going to Cali to meet a q-t.
you've read one too many comic books
>>71300806
May 5 is my birthday
yay leafs
^^v
>>71300806
And you will stink
>>71300806
>you can live without working
>step three: work seasonal labour
THOUGHTS? !?!
>>71300806
Sounds like a great way to freeze to death in the Canadian winter, you idiot.
>>71300806
You'll probably get mugged and/or jailed.
>>71300806
I met a guy named Tyler kirkum who did just that. He smelled like shit, panhandled, and couch surfed every last resource until he was 28 and forced to get a job. Unless your Les Stroud, your just a fucking bum traveling.
>>71300806
You watched Into the Wild too much
you'll probably just get robbed and murdered by some fucking degenerate or get hooked on drugs
>>71300903
I would be entirely self-sufficient, with the exception of transport.
>>71300944
>>71301021
Literally have never read a comic book in my life.
>>71300998
Is meeting a qt the goal of your life?
I went hitchhiking from Vancouver to Arcata, CA last year. It was fun, but I over-packed.
>>71300806
interesting... quit your job... get money... buy supplies... and make money...?
>>71300806
My social skills are way too low for that kind of life ;_;
>>71300806
Being a hobo isn't cool, anon.
If you're so into travelling, why don't you become a truck driver and get paid for doing it?
>>71300806
You can leaf. But if the whole society exactly the same it collapses.
You [and I mean (you)] will be living """"""independently"""""", the only thing you will depend is upon THE WHOLE FUCKING CIVILIZATION breaking their backs in their daily struggle to keep this cesspool of 7 thousand million people warm, nourished, relatively disease free and secure in their person and papers.
God, this is the second bullshit I hate the most, the #1 being "I'm free, I'm not materialistic, I live in the streets all by myself, only crashing every once in a while for a bath and supplies on friends home".
Guess what, if you are taking advantage of other people's work you are not free, you are a parasite and should be disposed as one at once.
>>71301154
>>71301176
This, fucking scumbags who do this aren't living some glorious life, they're just annoying hippies.
>>71301111
Sorry, that's a slight plot hole. The seasonal labour (picking fruit, farm hand, etc) is much more fulfilling than soulless office or lab jobs. I consider it a reasonable compromise and you won't pay taxes on that income.
>>71301101
Toiletries are quite inexpensive. I bathed in a river and in bathroom sinks when I went on my trip last year.
>>71301045
Me too.
No.
>realize you often don't have enough money for food
>never shower
>realize people treat you badly unless you wear nice clothes and practice good hygiene
>sleep on the streets
>work more labor then you planned, the worst of the worst digging ditches and cleaning because you don't have a bank account or references
>basically become a dirty slave hobo
There is no escaping the 9 to 5 grind.
>>71300806
I've known people who did that traveling crust punk thing you're talking about. It's doable. It has pros and cons like any other lifestyle. Lot of socjus assholes in the road punk community, though. Make sure you have a plan for what you will do if you get badly injured when traveling.
I'm all about minimalist lifestyle myself. Save up money, live in a modest apartment or something, get hobbies and shit and eventually pair down your expenses to the point where you can have what you want and only work part time if possible. Other options are working as a nigh janitor or a security guard on third shift. Lots of down time to do stuff on those gigs.
Eventually you want to do a small side business, preferably under the table, to supplement your part time income in a way you can control.
There's an author called Aaron Clarey who talks a lot about this.
Only way I'd do that is be a bushman. I know of a cabin and trap line that would keep me fed and clothed.
>>71300806
No OP you are a faggot.
You won't travel from city to city, find a job in everyone one and a father who hits his wife and kids or a drug pushing gang, then turn green scare them and move on
Music related:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d4C1ZQKmw4
>>71301342
True that
>>71301431
What?
>>71301121
I'll spend my winters in the American south or southwest.
>>71301162
I've been working a good job for about five years and have a nice nest egg saved up. But part of the self-sufficiency plan is being able to cook, hunt (mostly fish and water fowl), and build rudimentary shelters.
>>71301194
No, the order is: save money for short term, buy supplies, quit job, live your life (earning spare cash for supplies).
>>71301279
Traveling is part of the appeal, but largely incidental. Truck driving is dangerous and tiresome.
>>71301342
such is life
>STEP ONE: set a deadline to quit your job
>STEP THREE: work seasonal labour in warm climates
Why not just admit you're a aiming to be a glorified hobo.
Where is your punk ass going to shower and bath, etc?
You're gonna be an ugly stank ass bitch that can't even get a shave.
>>71300806
People like you are whats wrong with our nation.
don't be a bum. your plan involves 'save as much money as you can'... thus it's predicated upon actually having a job. Which defeats the notion that you can live without working.
No, you can live BETWEEN working, but you can't live happily without working.
Inevitably, you will come back to work like the rest of us. You may have some hippy dippy stories to tell, and feel like you're more interesting than you actually are, but you'll just be back to normal. And you'll wish you had your savings in a retirement account instead of 'memories' of being a fucked up retard.
If you wanna be a bum, I guess nobody's going to stop you. But don't pretend like it's some glorious lifestyle you've figured out. It's dirty, and the people you meet will be dirtier.
>>71301316
My nigga Alberto knows the deal
Nothing wrong with an adventure once in a while though
>>71300806
>NWO convinces kids to virtually kill themselves off
>>71301328
>Seasonal labor, muh fulfillment
No, hard as fuck job that you'll probably regret
>Bathe in rivers
This isn't 1600, rivers are dirty now and you'll catch something.
Stay away from NW America please.
>>71301607
I did this for the short term last year...I bathed twice in 18 days and nothing bad happened. I washed up hands, arms, and face regularly. Brushed my teeth in rivers.
Your criticisms are only valid for people participating in regular day-to-day society. This is living outside, on the road, in the mountains, in the woods, etc.
>>71300806
It's literally better in every way to have a job.
>>71300944
Golden Boy is actually the worse thing I've ever seen.
Okay, no to comic books. That's good.
How long do you plan on doing this for? Your entire life? What's going to happen once you reach retirement age - still traveling? You'll have to settle down eventually. What about health care - will you have health insurance? A mailing address? Do you just want to disconnect from society forever - only coming into town for supplies, like a Walter White? The outcast lifestyle...sounds rough.
>>71301645
I don't think I've glorified anything. I just think man is in his nature less inclined to live the life that we usually live. We aren't designed to eat, drink, and consume to excess, nor are we designed to stay put. The modern life as outlined by our educators, our politicians, and our media stifles creativity and independence and subtly makes us less self-sufficient than we otherwise would be.
(truth be told, I have money in mutual funds that aren't going anyway. My nest egg is in cash. I'm not going off the grid).
>>71301316
I'm going to pay my way when I need to. But the in between time will be largely living off the land, traveling and living in remote areas.
>>71300806
Uh huh.
And I guess these medical bills and student loans will just pay themselves.
>>71300806
by may 5, 2018 there a will be a short story about you in a local newspaper somewhere with the title:
"Homeless man found dead with throat slashed"
>>71300806
Mike?
OP is mentally stuck as 12 yeard old.
Report for underage
Report for underage
Report for underage
>>71301920
My plan is to change my address back to my Dad's house so if there is any mail it goes there.
I plan to do this for around five years. After that, I suspect I will have a change of heart or will want to settle down, at which point I will hopefully be able to publish my writing.
I don't want to disconnect from society forever or go off the grid, I just want to live like humans used to live: as self-sufficient nomads, but with the means to capture and describe the wonderful things out there in the world.
All the "wonderful" things in the modern world are hinged on consumerism and the economy, instead of on human well-being, so I want to escape that for a while.
>>71301757
I've been regularly employed since I was fifteen. Am 26 now and have never been happy or satisfied with my life. I feel like if I don't change it up now, I'm going to wake up and be fifty years old, counting down the bitter days till I can collect a pension cheque. And I will by then feel like my life was a big waste.
>>71302009
>>71302009
Ah, okay, fair enough. You're not wrong, it's just most people don't have the luxury to drop their responsibilities for any amount of time. I certainly don't have any family that would take me in and keep me afloat once I've abandoned my duties.
>>71301121
>Freezing to death
>Canadian 'winter'
you are H O B O
>>71300806
how will you defend yourself
>>71300806
>a socialist leaf is thinking about quitting his job
jesus christ, you lazy fuckers need to be annexed.
>>71300806
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dDAGu96BAw
Op I think you should consider something like what this man did. Out in the open with lots of fresh air.
>>71302174
I'm 100% debt free and have not been to a doctor in two years. Working people get sick and die too. Don't think money gives you any kind of immortality.
>>71302192
Nope
>>71302248
I'm 26 years old. Have been working a stable job for five years, from which I can pretty much never be fired. I have a luxury vehicle, full medical benefits, and life insurance.
>>71300806
>live without working
>work seasonal labour
Okay leaf.
>>71301246
You'll learn as you go, just smile and be positive
>>71302297
You can die from hypothermia in forty degrees.
>>71300806
hippie leaf becomes a vagabond and leeches from society.
>>71302270
Humans did not live as self-sufficient anything. Humans lived in big tribes of hundreds of people and had to cooperate to survive.
>>71302512
You'd have to be an absolute retard/foreigner to do so, however.
>>71302534
>humans need hundres of millions of each other to survive
All OP needs is a good knowledge of the wilderness (what you can/cant eat) and a hunting weapon so he can catch food + sleeping swag. It's extended camping, bring your pots so you can cook and jug for water/makeshift shower.
>mfw americans try not to dream big
Yeah leaf Rust is a fun game and all but it's not a good lifestyle
>>71302273
That's the thing, I'm close with my family, but am no longer dependent on them. My financial responsibilities are to know one but myself right now. I don't have a significant other or children or a mortgage.
Indeed, having a home base will be handy when I come home to visit, but I hardly consider that a burden on my dad, who likes when me or my siblings visit.
>>71302399
Last trip I had bear spray and a buck knife, inconspicuously handy at all times.
>>71302420
Hey, if you get some sort of satisfaction from toiling away 40-60 hours a week, which is what I currently work, then more power to you. I just think I will come to regret living such a safe and secure life when I'm fifty or sixty.
>>71302427
Thanks, I'll check it out.
>>71302009
You.fucking.idiot.
>>muh back to nature
>>muh loving Mother earth
Mankind had to Form, reshape and rape the Area to survive for thousands of years. We are now at a point in Evolution that we cant survive longterm without the comforts of modern Science you sperg. You are NOT, in any Form or share, fit to live like they did back in the bronze age.
You will die. Not maybe, not probably, you just, plain and simple.
And i hope you will suffer while doing so, you stupid fuck
>>71302709
are there any lakes you could build a cabin next to?
that sounds pretty awesome
>>71302653
I said hundreds, not hundreds of millions. You were only off by a factor of a massive amount.
OP said he wanted to life self-sufficient as humans used to do. But that is not what humans used to do. He does not understand human history.
>live without working
>step three: work
Dumb idea. No girl will want to breed with you.
Buy a small lot of land in a rural area. Become a pioneer. Heaps of room in northern Canadia for that.
>>71302473
Yeah, that was just a working title. Consider it retracted.
>>71302529
Giving a hitch hiker a ride is a voluntary enterprise. No one is compelled to help me in any way.
>>71302534
Everyone in those tribes had roles to fulfill and were educated to do so. The goal of that education of self-preservation.
What gets you out of bed in the morning?
>>71300806
I admire people that do what you're trying to do OP. Too bad I'm pretty sure you're gonna fail.
>STEP ONE: set a deadline to quit your job. Mine is May 5th, 2017. On or before that date, I will hand in my papers to quit my job
If you legitimately had the stones to go through with this and see it to the end, you're just quit. Now "Hehe, I'll just put in my two weeks just in case" safety net bullshit.
>>71300806
Have fun making your own clothing
>>71302512
If you mean kelvin, I agree with you there.
>>71302810
It was implied it what you said since you're talking about society. For you it's hundreds of millions in China it's billion so I was being generous to you if anything.
Look up a Greek philosopher named Diogenes, you seem very close minded on the subject. You seem to constantly jump to attacking the opposition, sign of weakness.
>>71302867
>what gets you out of bed in the morning
the desire to check /pol/ coaxes me out of slumber around 2 PM.
OP is a faggot.
Do what I did; start your own company.
Some days I work 20 hours straight, doing nothing but the things I enjoy most. I found a hobby and pursued it to the furthest extent possible.
Literal 20 hour workdays feel like nothing compared to slaving for a couple of hours at a job where you are not in complete control.
>>71302867
The goal of that education was preservation of all of them together. None of them was self-sufficient. Being kicked out of the group was considered a death sentence. They were far from self-sufficient.
>>71302981
Only if the thing you enjoy most is something other people want enough to pay for it and you are better than your competition at marketing.
>>71302743
>You will die
Holy shit, I didn't realize humans die! Thanks for revealing this startling fact to me before I committed suicide by quitting my job and going camping.
>>71302787
There are, but I don't have the woodworking skills to build permanent shelters.
>>71302864
>no girl will want to breed
I'm gay and have a very low sex drive. Don't want kids either.
>Buy rural land
That comes with a twenty-year commitment to steady employment, which is what I'm trying to avoid.
>>71300806
lol good luck
>>71300806
>thoughts?
Build 2 walls; Canada pays for one of them.
> kek...and its no wonder canacuck is being overun by shitskins.
>>71300806
>I have a plan to quit working
>It involves living in unpleasant conditions and still working
LEAF
>>71300806
better plan:
-get a part time job for a charity, church, non-profit that believes in 15/hr/living wage
-work about 20 hours a week (hopefully push those hours into only a few days, spend a lot of those work hours listening to audiobooks)
-apply for subsidized housing. find a place for 500-800/month.
-live as cheap as possible in terms of food/internet
-you still have over 140 hours/week to do reading, hobbies, vidya, sleeping, getting drunk etc. You just have to give up 20 hours to buy the rest of the week.
>>71303139
>Says the Australian.
>>71302653
>good knowledge of the wilderness
Which people in the paleolithic era lived and breathed. Not like you just read a book and you're good to go. But good luck OP, try not to poach and dirty up our cities and countryside too much.
>>71300806
You should travel with a buddy. He can dig the birdshot out of your ass when you get caught trying to steal a pie off of a widow sill.
>>71303005
That's my point. I want to be able to survive out in the woods by myself. Nothing about modern society teaches a person to be able to hunt, provide shelter, or even protect themselves from the elements or from predators. As a matter of fact, as technology progresses and safety, security, food, shelter, and clothing become EASIER to obtain through currency, not through learned skills or practice. The effect of this is to make people needlessly dependent on devices that only foreign producers can provide (for a fee).
The group itself was self-sufficient. And large tribes were a much later development. Originally there were small clans.
I have water filters for sale
>>71303042
Easy. I develop embedded tech shit, assemble computers, repair desktops and laptops, and do general IT shit for small businesses in my area.
Total starting capital: ~$500.00
Thus far, it's paid for my house, my car, my food and bills, and in a few years I should be turning some nice profits.
Right now, I'm working on an Arch fork, designed with optimization for steam OS + linux games as an alternative to Steam OS itself.
Sitting in my underwear, drinking mountain dew, shit posting on /pol/ and /g/ while burning archived Clinton Emails to CDs, to distribute at the Trump rally.
Tomorrow, I'll hit up craigslist, buy some old LGA 1155 mobos and Sandy Bridge CPUs, assemble them, and turn a $100 profit whilst saving people money on cheap gaming rigs (as compared to buying everything off newegg)
>>71303068
>I don't have the woodworking skills to build permanent shelters.
course you do, I've seen them being built, it's easy
chop down some trees, cut some bits out, stack them up
>>71303068
>I'm gay
aaah, into the trash you go
>>71303266
It's fine you want to learn to survive by yourself. Just don't claim that's doing what humans did in the old days. It isn't. Humans were always living in big groups, not surviving by themselves.
Saying the group is self-sufficient is trying to redefine self-sufficient. You are talking about an individual being sufficient on their own. Humans did not live that way. They were sufficient in groups together, not individually alone.
>>71303266
why do you want to put yourself through that much labour when we've come up with easier ways to do that and experts to do it for us? You are giving up all efficiency by doing it all yourself and not in collaboration with a group.
>>71303166
Sounds like a shitty life
>>71303166
This though.
>>71303266
Well, I guess it worked out for the natives.
>>71300806
You can survive, but I wouldn't call it living.
>>71303304
Good job. You chose something there is demand for. I'm only saying that the reason it works is because there is demand, not because it's a hobby of yours. A lot of people could not make a living at their hobby because it isn't as in demand as yours.
Also are you saying you get mobos and cpu's, put the cpu on the mobo and then sell the combination for that much more? People pay that much more just to avoid having to put the cpu on the mobo?
>>71300806
I did that this year. Had about 40k just lying around, was miserable, paranoid and increasingly feeling at loss with the rest of humanity...
Quit job, left relationship, went from Europe to Australia and just focused on getting better at my skill of choice.
Faith in humanity restored. I am ready to come back and tackle problems with a new honesty and admiration for others.
It's been the best year of my life - gained a new job already (my interview was the best I ever gave because I MEANT it) and I now have a partner I can be fully honest with.
It wasn't everyone else that were wrong... It was me. And I had to fix myself to understand what I actually need... Instead of what I am ought to want.
>>71303251
lol that's a vicious stereotype.
>>71302968
What's stopping some foreign investor from purchasing then eliminating /pol/? What will you do then?
>>71303166
That seems like a perfectly enjoyable existence. Probably what I'll end up doing after my sojourn in the wilderness.
>>71303425
unless you can make it less shitty by buying things, or having a rewarding career (lol), then all of life is trading as few hours as possible for "necessity" to get as many hours as possible doing "fun"
>>71303304
Living the dream ameribro
>>71303166
Or, hey, you could just sleep in the church, eat all the bread meant for the elderly, and sleep in the park making it uninhabitable for the children that used to play there.
My parents had a friend who did this after he retired. His wife died and his kids were moved out so he basically had nothing to stay home for. He had a backpack with everything he needed in it and he literally just hitchhiked/walked around the U.S. for years. I think he's still doing it if he's physically able.
You could actually have a little income to buy necessities if you invested 20-30k in dividend stocks. If you had about a 6% dividend rate average through your portfolio at 30k you'd have $150 a month for food, tp, and toothpaste. Couple that with some cash savings and the occasional odd job, you really wouldn't be too bad off.
Fuck all these people telling you not to. You're not hurting anything. Not like we have a shortage of workers, you know? Just don't expect me to give you money if you're panhandling. I will actually spit at you.
So many bootlickers in this thread.
You guys are so butthurt over some kid trying to enjoy his life while he can?
He doesn't want to serve a society he doesn't believe in that /pol/ can't stop bitching about 24/7 and you guys just take all of your hatred out on him.
You guys are fucking retarded.
The vagabond life is ROUGH.
It's not for everyone and I think even if you end up having a really tough time it's worth trying out.
You'll learn a lot about yourself and become a more well rounded person and have some great adventures in the mean time.
The working world will always be waiting for you if you decide to come back.
All of you neutered jealous haters can go fuck yourselves.
>>71300806
I'm considering doing this since the coming years would be easy for me in Europe.
I'm Mexican, so I could probably pass for Arab; the Europeans would give me whatever I needed if I did which I probably wouldn't ask for much. The main plan being to redpill as many Euro's to Islam as possible. To infiltrate and compromise as many Arabs as possible, if possible.
As someone who loves history I'd get the opportunity to see interesting landmarks and to attempt to do a part in combating the evil that threatens Europe today.
By taking up some of the charity there, I might be able to drain at least a little of the resources used to fund their colonizers.
I realize a couple problems with this dream, though. If a day comes Europeans finally do get fed up and move to kick those shitters out, I will still be counted among them. If it gets violent, they would be confused by me and potentially kill me.
But hey, its just a dream, who knows what lays ahead. All I know is I'm not happy watching this world fall apart.
>>71303477
Nawh, I'll go out and pick up some mobos and cpus off 2nd hand sites like ebay and craigslist cheap, along with GPUs, cases, etc.
End result is a i5-2500k, gtx 750ti, aftermarket case and cooler rig that I can sell for $500, which for a typical consumer would cost over $600 buying the parts from retail and assembling it themselves.
Either way, if you find a hobby that you truly enjoy, you can definitely make a career out of it.
Every millionaire that I personally know has found their fortune by pursuing their hobbies. Go ask any comic shop owner.
>>71301342
/thread
>>71300806
You will not raise or sustain a family.
It's possibly a good idea for a year or two when you are young. Without posterity you are really not contributing to society at all though.
>>71303372
I had no say in the matter.
>>71303386
This sounds largely semantic. How humans live not is so far removed from how we came of age in nature that I think it seriously diminishes our value and ability.
>>71303413
Because after several years of a stable job and a comfortable income, I waste my days drinking, procrastinating, awaiting my next shift, and fantasizing about living a different life. I'm growing tired of living such a mundane life.
>>71303516
Thanks for sharing that. What was your skill of choice?
>you can live without working
>step three
>work
lel
i'm happy with my material things OP, thanks though. enjoy living like a filthy bum
>>71301178
>Literally have never read a comic book in my life.
You should, it's about someone as enlightened by his own intelligence as you're about to be.
>>71301885
Kill yourself it's hilarious.
>>71303673
It won't fall apart. Keeping you scared and inside is what they want.
The parts of the world you want to see have statistically never been safer or easier to explore.
Regret is the only thing you should fear from what I read.
>>71303692
Oh you're building the entire machine. Are the Craigslist parts used or new?
Maybe every millionaire you know made their fortune pursuing hobbies. But they may be only a small % of those that tried pursuing their hobbies. 90% of those may have failed because of lack of demand. You are only seeing the successes and not the failures.
You cannot definitely make a career out of any hobby you want. There has to be demand and enough paying customers.
>>71300806
Well mate I have other ambitions and want passive income for me and my family.
>>71303803
>How humans live not is so far removed from how we came of age in nature that I think it seriously diminishes our value and ability.
You are correct. But the difference is not that we're less self-sufficient. It's just that now we are dependent on people we don't even know or think about existing. Back then we were dependent on our closest relatives. At neither point was hardly anyone surviving independently.
>>71303477
Have you ever considered that people working in a hot industry, that is in demand, and earns decent pay, didya ever consider they don't actually like their jobs? Its called being an adult.
If this OP Hobo homosexual fuckwagon wants to punish his family by marching off into the woods, that's fine, but don't act like this hardworking dude over here is just a hobo with a profitable hobby and a respectable living.
>>71300806
So you basically want to be free from the control of our degenerate society and government?
>>71303622
Also, just to continue, winning life is all about finding the optimum effort:pay:free time relationship.
I only make about 60k as an ambulance supervisor but I get 4 days off at a time and can take off a single 2 day shift to have 10 off straight. If I can retire out of this bitch without something going wrong, I am never moving on to anything else. I'd be a fool to; even for another 25k a year I don't think I would, if it meant a 9-5 M-F job.
Before my promotion I had a far better effort:pay ratio since I didn't have all this supervisory shit to do. But then the pay end was significantly less so I was spending a lot of my free time pulling overtime instead. I think I've found the right mix, although it is somewhat dissatisfying not getting to play vidya while at work because I am now genuinely busy.
Find the best way to fuck the system and collect a check. If enough people do that we might actually break it someday and achieve a voluntaryist utopia.
I wish I could just live in a van, but most of my hobbies involve needing electricity for a computer. Fuck rent shit is such robbery in California.
>>71302743
>This is what Germans actually believe
If only you knew how many people in the Nordic countries decide to go this route.
Just because Germany doesn't have any nature doesn't mean you CAN'T.
It's going to be hard and harsh, but it's certainly doable.
>>71301121
What you call a idiot who lives in such a cold place?
A FUCKIN LEAF.
>>71301328
>The seasonal labour (picking fruit, farm hand, etc) is much more fulfilling than soulless office or lab jobs. I consider it a reasonable compromise and you won't pay taxes on that income.
Yeah, being out in a field at 110F for 9 hours at a time picking as much as you can with Mexican border hoppers who think $5 an hour is a Godsend when they pick as fast as their shit-stained hands can.
You think you can pick as fast as they can? You think it's fufilling, easy work?
>>71303622
I couldn't bring myself to panhandle. I spent a few nights in Portland last year. So many homeless people there offered me blankets and water and I declined because I have a home, and money, and I was just traveling for the sake of traveling. I feel guilty taking money from people because chances are they had a worse upbringing than I had.
>>71303801
You're right. I've tried to overcome that, but I haven't been able to. I have never wanted marriage or kids so there's little to work towards. I understand why people suffer for thirty years to raise their kids properly. But that life just isn't for me.
>>71301885
You are young....there is much horror waiting for you.
>>71301750
Did you at least boil the water before brushing?
>>71303923
>>71303692
I will just add that while 90% fail each time they try. Failure will teach those with a relentless drive and ambition more that any early success.
Successful people l love sharing their hurdles, one wears them like badges of honor.
Roll with the punches. It's only when you quit you truly fail.
>>71304055
Yup.
2 Walls
Definitely building TWO Walls.
>>71303989
I'm not sure what you're replying to in my post. I feel like you misread it. I don't think I said what you're claiming.
>>71300806
You will learn to get raped by a hobo and get stuck with HIV needles.
>>71300806
So you decided to be a bum?
>>71304018
There are ways to get electricity for computers on the road and in the wilderness. Solar things. Car lighter plugins and so on.
>>71302427
>guy poaches his way through a province, a territory, a state, and two sovereign states
Nice.
>>71303801
My goal is actually to contribute to society as little as possible.
Seriously, fuck you people and this altruistic sperglord nonsense. You think you're really doing anyone any favors by being a lawyer or pushing pills or designing a new widget? It's all very ridiculous and hasn't really gotten us anywhere.
So I can live a prolonged life in a crippled state in a nursing home bed watching HD TV. Whooptie doo.
the traveling vagabond mostly lives on or just off the fringes of society, and subsists on its scraps*
hunting and gathering also aren't really an option*. if it were, our species would have never had the neolithic revolution
*these are generalities which are true. there of course are several thousand people in the world that mostly subsist on hunting and gathering, and millions that subsist on begging or eating garbage, but it will only ever be a small minority, and is not an option for the overwhelming majority of humankind
>>71300806
>Guys I had a great idea
>Just become homeless!
>>71304120
You're right failure will teach them. But one of the things it will teach them is exactly what I said. That no matter how much you like doing something, if there isn't a market for it or you can't compete with your competitors, you won't make a living.
>>71304195
This thread has good material in it - Except posts like these. Cut it off.
>>71304140
>a lot of people can't make a living plying their hobby because their hobbies are not in demand, but good for you buddy, good for you, you're so lucky to enjoy doing something thats in demand.
Maybe t
>>71301322
They usually turn to alcohol once they realize they're homeless too (not on some magic vacation)
>>71301111
>>71301328
>you can live without working
>you have to work
>"slight plot hole"
FUCKING LEAF
>>71304284
There are still people living right now hunting and gathering. The main thing stopping them is "neolithic" descendants forcing them to stop with weapons.
That to me sounds like someone who has no dreams, no desired career, no ideas, (other than what you described), no ambitions.
Therefore, you will reject society as a whole.
You do that, and people who want to accomplish something go the other way.
>>71304327
OK yeah I said what you said there. But that is different than what you said in your earlier post. So you have me confused.
>>71303979
I think with the right mixture of no financial obligations and some rudimentary tools and skills, a person CAN be self-sufficient out in the woods these days.
>>71303997
I don't want to wake up when I'm sixty and realize that I lived a life free of risk, self-discovery, and meaningful experiences in exchange for a comfortable materialistic existence where my value and status is defined by my possessions.
>>71304055
Part of the appeal is knowing that it's temporary.
>>71303669
>>71303622
Thank-you for understanding where I'm coming from!
>the working world will always be waiting for you
That's really the bottom line. Society won't disappear because a few people decide to drop out. If the vagabond thing doesn't work out, I can come back and be right where I am now.
>>71304018
>mfw half of /pol/ is homeless shitposting on their 8 year old laptop charging in the woods kek
>>71303923
Depends on what the customer wants.
Some customers are 16 year old kids who want to play CS:GO and only have $400.
For my last customer, I built him an entire home recording studio with midi software and instruments. Full install of Komplete 10 and Personus Studio One 3, Windows 7 with all drivers and Avast, Ublock Origin loaded onto Firefox on an i7-4790k. Total cost, with two monitors = $2,700.
All depends on the needs of the customer. The biggest attraction to my business is that I am the company: I wake up, do the best work that I can do, and go to sleep knowing that I am fulfilled. My customers appreciate the dedication I put towards them, and I'd dare to say that with my company, you'll get better service than literally anyone else in the industry.
I handle all of their RMAs. Had a customer whose new GTX 950 stopped working properly a month after purchasing it new in box, I bought another one from bestbuy and RMA'ed his for my cash back, meaning he had zero down time.
Something like that you can't get from Dell, which in the end, leads me to have extremely satisfied customers.
>Also, here's the link to the archived Clinton email collection.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/y0flxf2iaoo1pf3/clinton-emails.zip
ppl falln for dis bait n shiet
we can already lives without work it calld welfare
>>71300806
Or you can just avoid paying taxes by not keeping your wealth stored as money in a bank
>>71304297
That's why failing is important. No one with the right mind does the exact same thing after failing, they deviate slightly, fix some problems, try to understand why they failed. In this way they have a higher chance of hitting it right next time.... Than someone who never even took a shoot.
The more you try shooting at a target, the more you'll understand the different elements that need to be considered to make the shot.
There's a few that have a luckcident at the first go. But most people don't.
>>71304105
Not for brushing. I only ever used clear, flowing water. I boiled the water that I cooked with. For drinking water I had an iodine/bromine solution that treated the water for parasites.
>>71300806
if that means i see 1 less fucking leaf on pol, i hope more canacucks follow your example
>>71300806
That's all fine until a homeless man fucks you in the ass at knife point in a train yard.
>>71304459
>Part of the appeal is knowing that it's temporary.
Nigger you wouldn't last 1 day. Seasonal means you work 7 days a week to get every single fucking dime you can get.
>>71304321
Fuck you, you cut yours off first you prissy fuck
>>71303989
How am I punishing my family by marching off into the woods for a while?
AS HE LIGHTS AN AMERICAN SPIRIT
>>71301533
>a fucking leaf
I've never seen that version of the Hulk but clearly he's describing the plot
>>71303692
Most millionaires made their money from real-estate or slumlording.
>>71304571
I'd be upset if my kid grew up to be a troglodyte
>>71304459
I like it OP.
I have a somewhat similar plan except it works in the opposite direction. My wife and I are aiming to be retired by our 50s or sooner. Our plan is to take off on a sailboat and never see the 'States again.
I'll still have to pay taxes, but fuck 'em. Their shitty laws and shitty problems will be theirs to contend with. Let these fools care about television and trying to force their ways on each other for eternity. I think I'll just deal with the storms.
>>71300891
This is underrated. I see what you did there m8.
>>71300806
Fuck your happiness m8. You exist as a cog in a machine of humanity. That sucks to hear, I know, but that's just the way all biological life is. Any individual organism exists to continue the species as a whole. There are more than plenty of things to be grateful for in living a human life and being a productive member of society who does his/her part to make the next generation's life a little easier. It's what your ancestors did for you, and it's what you ought to do for the next generation.
>>71304440
You probably confused me wit the embedded motherboard jockey. He was make it sound easy to encourage you by saying a hobby you enjoy into a career. I think he really meant find something you can start working on by yourself, that your good at, that can lead to a career, that you have the drive to do.
Drive is what gets it done. Not passion. Drive and the will to finish.
>>71304459
>I think with the right mixture of no financial obligations and some rudimentary tools and skills, a person CAN be self-sufficient out in the woods these days.
Are you learning disabled? For the last time, the point I'm making is not that you can't do it. It's that by doing it you are doing something very different than what humans ever did in their history. This is not how any human have normally lived at any time in history. You are doing something new and out of the ordinary for human beings. You are not recreating the glorious history of humans of old. Only your misunderstanding of how they lived which is not how they lived at all.
>>71304780
>make the next generation's life a little easier
>It's what your ancestors did for you
And in my dreams, I am dirty, broke, beautiful, and free
>>71304558
>Fuck you, you cut yours off first you prissy fuck
>>71304358
Geez, I already retracted that.
>>71304436
Pretty close. I haven't been able to overcome a sense of nihilism for three or four years. Absolutely everything seems so pointless. The one thing I thought would be fulfilling I can't realistically do because of my sexuality.
I don't really have anything to lose.
>>71304522
I'm too deep in the system already to keep earning my income without contact with the institutions.
Regardless of that, I don't have a money problem, I have a life problem and I'm trying to solve it.
>>71304541
That's what the bear spray's for. Plus I know better than to spend time in the train yard. When I went hopping last year, I utilized sidings one or two stations out of town.
>>71304554
I'm wouldn't be desperate for cash, as I will only need to purchase bare essentials (toiletries and a new pair of shoes once in a while).
>>71304494
>Depends on what the customer wants.
>All depends on the needs of the customer
Isn't that what I have been saying? It is not whether you enjoy your hobby that determines if you make a living. It's whether there are customers that want what you do badly enough to pay for it.
You're free until your stomach reminds you.
>>71304389
you didn't read the whole post you responded to, i suppose. either that, or you believe if we all elected to live as hunter gatherers and opt out of civilization, we could. the problem is there isn't enough game or foraging available for 7 billion people. human population was small in times when game and foraging was plentiful, and we were all hunter gatherers. i'm not saying hunting and gathering aren't preferable to industrial civilization, i'm just saying there's no going back. any event destructive enough to destroy civilization as it is today is destructive enough to cause us to go extinct. our species jumped on this train 10,000 years ago, and there's no getting off.
I planned to do this when I turned 18. I'm a autist and I have crippling procrastination issues.
I was told by my parents that when I turned 18 I would get a job or be kicked out. In the end I got given benefits.
I could do that now but I realise that I'm a broken individual and I'm unable to get out of this rut and try something like that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCB42DDDXPI
>>71304797
Damn boss. I must be learning disabled, because I gots no idea what the fuck you saying. Dumb it down for me.
So living in the woods is some cutting edge en vogue, never been done shit?. Something new under the sun? Or maybe you are just knowledge disabled? I dunno.
Wait you said something about a point. please continue.
>>71304529
Thanks for making an argument for trying and trying again. But that was never the point I was making. The point I'm making is that what determines success is market demand. Without it you will not make a living, period. With it you can.
>>71303669
>It's not for everyone
>You'll learn a lot about yourself and become a more well rounded person and have some great adventures in the mean time.
>>71304459
>wake up when I'm sixty and realize that I lived a life free of risk, self-discovery, and meaningful experiences in exchange for a comfortable materialistic existence where my value and status is defined by my possessions.
>>71304668
>Let these fools care about television and trying to force their ways on each other for eternity.
And this smugness is why I hate you guys. I'm out.
>>71304875
>the effort
>>71304668
Sounds so lovely. Just thought I'd mention that. Taking to the sea seems even more like the wild west than dirthopping.
>>71304934
You'll soon realize that there are customers for EVERYTHING.
Go on craigslist and put up an ad in the m4m section advertising that you'll kick them in the nads for $20, you'll get inquiries.
>>71305009
Market demand. What kinda shit? What market? You mean this fake fucking thing the government does with the corporations and the rich jews?
>>71304668
Which US laws are you most upset about?
>>71305084
inquiries into giving them a tug and jug.
>>71305084
No there isn't.
>>71304857
mfw you enjoy countless benefits of modern technology and healthcare
>>71304987
You there op? It was a few years ago but I did look into it a fair bit so I know a bit about the subject seeing as how I planned to enact it myself.
>>71304780
I think most parents would agree that the generations coming up now have it much harder. Things are totally confusing and dangerous and they can barely even do simple things like play outside normally. They have to deal with confusing shit like cyberbullying that nobody even heard of generations ago.
>>71304785
No. Market demand is what gets it done if by getting it done you mean making a living. Without that, you can finish whatever you want and you will not make a living at it.
>>71300806
>not saving up to buy property, beginning supplies and a few animals
Come on
>>71304664
Well right now I'm a functioning alcoholic who lives alone, makes $90-100k, has no prospect of providing grandchildren, and does little more than work and visit.
>>71304780
I don't disagree that that is why life exists, but procreating it not a significant achievement. As a matter of fact, the least educated in society do it the most while the most educated do it the least. What's the accomplishment of making a baby, especially when that baby's society will be better from a comfort/materialist standpoint, but worse from a self-worth standpoint?
>>71304797
Humans and the species from which they evolved did not always live in big tribes. They lived in small clans. Other species lead relatively solitary existences and only form clans for reproduction. You're hanging way to heavily on the point of self-sufficiency. I already clarified that how we live NOW if far removed from how we came of age in nature, which is why I'm trying to get away from how we live NOW.
>>71304668
I admire that. In my situation, I don't have a wife or significant other so waiting until I'm fifty is way too late.
>>71304436
A career is a joke played on wageslaves to get them to generate wealth for others and drive consumerism.
The only way to win is to either maximize the effort:pay:free-time relationship in your favor, or to own your own labor via entrepreneurship. And even then the goal should be to invest your income maximally so that you have a dwelling paid for and investments made for livable income ASAP to abandon the system and live your life for yourself; whether that's tending a garden and enjoying hobbies, playing music, travelling, or leaving shore behind.
My dad had an extremely rewarding and very lucrative air traffic career, but even he realized this. His life goal is to live long enough in retirement so that the Fed pays him for more years than he actually worked.
>>71305158
Wow. I thought you were going to talk about cost of living, runaway health expenses for people selfishly holding on to life, and sucking off the work of the young.
Or maybe this viagra adict fag that wants to get in the sailboat with his "wife" and sail away from old glory God's country.
Then you went to Cyber Bullying?
W o w ! ! !
>>71305136
Name something you think that there isn't, and I guarantee you that at many points in history, people have paid for it.
Once you actually stop and think about it, you'll realize that you could be bottling cow piss and selling it in Indian shops.
>>71304981
I mostly agree with you. I think some people might survive a catastrophe though since there are so many spread out widely and still some living in different ways. But other than that we agree.
>>71305321
Your soul
>>71302270
>at which point I will hopefully be able to publish my writing.
Nobody cares about a hobo's screed. You were born about 3 decades too late.
>>71304998
It's not the living in the woods part that's an aberration. It's the living ALONE in the woods that is. At no time in history did any but a few odd people out ever live ALONE in the woods like that. OP seems to think that is how humans lived in the past. He is deluded.
>>71305087
zoinks like the eeeeevil ones, scoob
>>71305155
Still here. I took a practice run last year but it was only for a couple weeks.
>>71305213
I could buy property right now. House shopping is actually what caused me to make this thread. I could spend $400 000 on a 1 200sqft house and be saddled with that for 25 years. Or I could not do that.
>>71305064
Hey, thanks anon. I've got a long road to get there and a lot of things have to play out right but it's really the big thing that keeps me going. The prospect of escape.
A lot of people do it, even people who don't have a lot. Mostly you just have to accept a few hardships or inconveniences, and learn some skills to save money and barter with. The cruising community is actually pretty interesting to read about. Lots of ingenuity.
>>71305084
>You'll soon realize that there are customers for EVERYTHING.
If that was true every business would succeed. Instead a huge % fail, even ones started by very successful people. Nobody, not even the smartest investors in the world, can be sure which businesses will find a market. Saying there are customers for everything is beyond clueless. There are businesses closing up every day because there were not customers.
>>71300806
i am sick of being a slave of the jewmerican companies, I was thinking about heading east (towards the great steppes)
>>71305085
I hope you're trolling. Market demand just means that there are people willing to pay for whatever you're selling. Customers.
>>71300806
You're retarded. At least get a fucking house and raise chickens or something god damn you want to be a bum?
>>71305009
Agree - but there's a grey scale here. There might not the a demand for "Dog flavoured milk" anywhere. But there might be one for "Dog flavoured chips" in China.
The guy knows how to make Dog flavour. He gets hard on that. But failing on the western market made him reconsider and try a new market/method.
>>71305421
>still trying to make a point
>>71305158
I strongly disagree. This generation is exposed to way more information, and trying to process it is confusing them. I agree that this generation has to deal with problems their parent's DIDN'T have. But they also don't have to deal with a lot of the problems their parents DID have. That's just societal evolution m8. We've still made progress, but now we have to face all new challenges. That's to be expected.
>>71305398
I wouldn't publish a memoir, I would publish short stories and novels, fictional stories.
>>71300806
You just described this movie. Good movie btw.
>>71305413
Ha, I see. I was confused from the beginning when you said it was possible. ALONE in the woods is certain death.
>>71305546
Buying a house entails having a steady income for twenty-five years. Do you not understand that I am opposed to confining myself to that situation?
>>71305301
Small clans are also GROUPS. They are not individuals living alone in the woods. Do you get it?
How we live now is different from how we came of age in nature. But it is because we live less in real connection with others, not more. If you want to escape from how we live now, you should be trying to create a very supportive community. That is what people now lack that we used to have. You have it all backwards thinking running away alone into the woods undoes what is wrong with today's way of life.
>>71305617
Everything is certain death. Having a nice house and 2.5 children doesn't make death any easier.
>>71305589
No doubt typed on an old Underwood typewriter you lug around with you.
Your ship has sailed.
>>71301328
Have fun with your dysentery friend
>>71305706
What's the matter with pen and paper?
>>71305638
You can get houses cheaper. I mean you want to sleep on the street I think you can deal with a shit house.
My brother is a train hopper.
Talks about being free and whatever. Collects social security and panhandles to support this life. Brings people to his house.
The smelliest, most morally bankrupt, narcissistic people.
Car bums suck. City bums suck.
But the train bums. They know what's up with the world.
>>71305087
Nanny state BS, arbitrary regulation for the most part.
Case in point: I was a firefighter for a while. We required people in our district to obtain a $15 burn permit to burn piles of leaves or brush.
It really did absolutely jack shit to issue the permit. It didn't help them. It was just a way to strongarm money out of people and color it as fire safety. Actually, being enmeshed in the fire service culture as a whole was a real eye opener for me in how filthy rotten and absolutely useless a lot of government services are. Most modern cities could replace their firemen with paid-per-call volunteers and do fine, but the unions are phenomenally good at propaganda and people are duped. I couldn't do it anymore and still keep my soul.
Or the concept of a 'marriage license'. Privacy invasion. Most building codes outside of cities. The fact that Home Owners Associations are even considered to be OK.
Mostly it's just that everyone thinks they know what's best for everyone else. The Bernie/Trump contrast is the perfect example. "I want to live this way and have these things, so dammit, you're going to have them too. Gosh I love freedom and civilization, how modern."
It's ridiculous if you think about it.
>>71305601
Except the dumb fuck gets lost and dies. Fuck him.
>>71305516
No, there ARE customers - they are just struggling to reach them.
That is the largest obstacle that I face myself, connecting to new customers. But that doesn't mean there AREN'T any, it just means they haven't reached their market.
>>71305309
Yes, for a parent the problem of cyberbullying is a worry. It's only one of many and was an example of things that exist now that didn't exist for kids in past generations. Things have gotten much more confusing for kids.
You are looking from an adult view. For an adult, cyberbullying may not be a big deal. But that doesn't matter. What matters is that for a 10 year old it can be very hard to deal with.
>>71305703
>now rationalizing suicide
>>71305321
It doesn't matter what sold in the past. Market demand is not permanent. There has to be market demand NOW for you to make a living. And it can go away.
Horses and buggies used to sell a lot more. Then one day they mostly went out of business.
>>71305760
I'm not lacking a nice living situation. That is like the third last thing on my mind. It's about feeling good about the world, which I haven't been able to do so far as an adult.
>>71305768
Point taken, but that's not my personality at all. I hate taking money from people, even when they owe it to me. If I ever had to panhandle, I'll take that as a cue that it's time to go home.
>>71305301
I don't disagree with what you said, I guess I need to clarify my stance. What I meant to say was the net continuation of the species by ensuring it's stability and survival.
So yes, when the least educated are reproducing more and the most educated are reproducing less, that leads to instability in the society. So procreating, while necessary for the survival of the species, is not necessarily the required function of every individual of that species. What I was trying to say was everyone should strive to be productive in some way (and preferably carrying out the function they're most suited for), whether that be as a scientist, engineer, rockstar, soldier. And if it the conditions are right for procreation, then it should occur.
>>71305867
They still sell very well. You just won't find customers for horses and buggies in major metropolitan areas, same as how ice sells better in Florida than in Alaska.
It's all about reaching your target audience. Somewhere, out there, are people selling wooden beads to tourists for 10x profit.
>>71305759
Don't play coy, I know your type. It's not hipster enough, unless you're going to carry around a quill and ink.
>>71305887
>muh mid life crisis
Get a hobby.
>>71305387
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EI5ob17R1FM
>>71305859
People die arbitrarily in traffic accidents, seemingly randomly-occurring illnesses, heart attacks, violence, war, and even sports.
What is your point about "living alone in the woods means certain death," when death is such a pervasive part of the human experience?
>>71305455
>I could spend $400 000 on a 1 200sqft house and be saddled with that for 25 years. Or I could not do that.
are you not aware there are many options in between a $400k house and living in the woods?
>>71305887
OP I think you need to be done with this thread.
Seriously, these people aren't going to get it. They think you owe them something and have delusions of accomplishments and grandeur that they are projecting on to you as a responsibility.
They're actually having a worse reaction to you stepping out of the box than they do toward people getting NEETbux. I commend your ability to press buttons.
>>71305821
Bullying has always been around but the problem is kids are super sheltered today and parents refuse to let anything bad happen to them and are overly conscious of their children. All kids have to go through rough patches of alpha/omega bullshit. It's just the nature of existence.
>>71300806
Only jews dont work.
Work is good for the soul
>>71305556
You didn't disprove anything I said. If there is a market in China you can reach, great. Then there is market demand. But if there isn't market demand or you aren't able to market to them well, you won't make a living. That simple.
>>71305895
I am not contributing anything by working a passionless industry job for thirty-five years to pay off a house and a car and annual vacations.
Not saying that the life I'm proposing will be any better, but it will be different and is worth trying for that reason alone.
>>71305988
My hobby is writing. And drinking.
>>71300806
If you just gonna live in a fucking tent you may as well just buy a cheap lot and try to farm your own food. You don't even need to pay taxes with agricultural exemption.
>>71305583
Which problems did their parents have that these kids don't that make a difference in improving their lives?
The new challenges are a lot more complex than ones in the past. They're becoming beyond any kids' ability to understand and even most parents'.
>>71306093
It's because OP is in peace and levelheaded. Level headedness is the new trigger button.
Be an extremist... OR ELSE!
>>71306021
It wasn't my point, it was another anons but you're just talking very irresponsibly. Kinda like playing russian roulette and saying some people in Africa die of AIDS. But do what you what, anon. I don't really give a fuck.
>>71305790
There are some businesses with customers but struggling to reach them. There are others where there just are not enough customers who can pay enough to make it profitable. They are two different situations. Both can be an issue. But at least the first one is fixable. The second one is not.
>>71306021
I work as a Paramedic. Frankly dying from exposure in the woods doesn't sound so bad. I spend half my day dragging people out of the nursing home who basically marinate in piss until some uppity, delusional CNA comes and changes them. Or visiting hospice patients at home because their family members just can't fucking let them go and insist on calling us just so we can explain the whole hospice arrangement to them.
But then occasionally I respond to something like an old man who wanders off from dementia and dies of the elements, or a mountain biker who randomly goes in to cardiac arrest enjoying a nice scenic vista.
I know very well now which end I would prefer. Past 70, things aint too golden. After that most people just start to rot. We glorify the rot because we think we've performed some sort of pharmaceutical miracle, but it's still there.
>>71306009
You won the arguement!
Now fuck off.
>>71303304
That sounds like a pathetic existance
>>71306068
Yeah, I'm right in the middle of that right now. I've rented for five years and been house shopping for six months. That's part of what inspired this thread, though my vagabond life has been in the planning stages for almost a year.
>>71306093
You're probably right. But the reason I'm trying to keep up the back and forth is because I'm seriously torn about what do to with myself. I have money, a vague ambition, a drinking habit, and a desire to be a writer. Just not sure what to do with that equation.
Some weeks I come home and think, you know, maybe I can do this for thirty years. It would be kind of nice to have a house of my own. I could dress well, pursue my hobbies, etc.
And then the next week I'm longing to get the hell out. Maybe I'll just apply for a leave of absence from work for a few months and give it a non-committal try. I just fear that I will come back and be a little more comfortable, a little more reluctant to give up the stability my job affords me, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but I feel like I'll certainly regret it in twenty years.
>>71306112
>Work is good for the soul
Indeed. But not just any work.
>>71305966
Probably 95% of horse and buggy companies went out of business. The fact there are a few left to serve the tiny remaining market does not counter my point. You are really about as confused about how business works as I've ever seen.
It is about reaching your target audience if it exists and is big enough and can spend enough money to keep you in business. Often that is not the case and so the business will fail. Some businesses just do not have the possibility to be profitable at the time they are trying to. I hope you realize that.
I can't believe the amount of glossy-eyed haters that think being a dancing monkey for The Man is the way life is supposed to be lived.
5 years is such a short amount of time when you compare it to your 80 year life. People are okay wasting their life by partying through college and dropping out, retaking classes, etc, etc, but the world is ending if someone wants to travel and live for the things that matter.
You already nailed so many important points. These people are going to wake up at 50 and realize they've accomplished nothing that matters.
Surviving each day and having food to eat at night is what matters, and is way more fulfilling than unlocking all the snapchat trophies or getting the herp from another shitty Tinder date.
Do it , OP. Then share that shit. You can even contact some companies ahead of time and put together a sponsorship with them. I.E. for backpacking gear, hiking boots company, etc.
You know whats up!
>>71300806
>tfw i really want to do this, but i'd be too scared to tell my friends and family about these plans
i just have nothing to live for right now.. it's all about making money so i can go on living and making more money, but why - literally why
>>71306108
I said cyberbullying, not bullying. Way to just change what I said and then continue on as if you didn't change the subject.
>>71306126
There wasn't a market for 99% of the things you use today.
You can 1. invent something that people didn't know they needed but desire almost instantly (VR, Game consoles, comics, smartphones) or 2. Make people believe your product makes them "popular, skinny, cool" Cigarettes, luxury products, plastic surgery.
>>71305455
Oh what stuff did you do?
I tried looking up a many things. Hunting, how to build traps shelters etcetera. Information on gear to bring stuff to do. Tbh I can't remember the finner details of a lot of it. Also brought and learnt how to pick locks with a rake but that only works on some.
I'd recommend you get a nice phablet if you don't have one already. I have a note 4 and the limited ram on it is fucking cancer. It uses up over 2/3 it's resources literally doing nothing.
So yeah I'd buy something like that but hopefully better. High capacity micro sd spare batteries if it's replaceable or a power bank.
If you don't expect to be able to stop to charge for long then many small power banks would charge much faster than one big one.
Might not matter to much to some people but I'd certainly like to have access to any book TV show film etcetera I like. Aswell as GPS the ability to make phone calls etcetera.
I also brought a high end portable solar charger. Not sure if it's really worth bothering unless you plan to stay of the grid for a while.
And yeah it depends on the type of life you want to lead. If memory serves your op said you wanted to be a drifter who camps sometimes. Well would you go any further than that? As I said I planned to do some of that. Maybe a mix between drifting and staying put here and there to do bear grylls shit.
You might want to work out what laws you care about breaking. I didn't care much when I considered it as I knew that even if I went to prison for a bit it wouldn't have a big effect on that sort of existence as I'd be free to do whatever I wanted again after bring released.
Also don't cheap out on camping gear. The more expensive stuff is expensive for a reason. The last thing you need is to be in the middle of buttfuck nowhere with cheap heavy gear that could fall apart.
That doesn't mean you waste cash on the most shiny thing just to do your research. Probably best to do a short dry run with everything.
MOST STUPID SHIT IVE READ IN LONG TIME
OP MUST BE A FUCKING KID
>become a traveling vagabond
>play music
I'm really thinking about do this since the weather is good here and I'm a Musician.
>>71301342
Travel to Europe and get neetbux
>>71306484
Exactly, it's such a stupid and pointless cycle. Most people commenting here have never been out of their own state/country and don't understand there is a real world out there.
No one gives a shit about your sales numbers or how much beer you don't remember drinking this weekend.
>>71306511
Every single thing I use today had a market, which is proven by the fact I have it! Are you trolling or seriously this clueless about business.
You can invent whatever you want. But you will only make a living at it IF THERE ARE ENOUGH PEOPLE WHO WANT IT AND ARE WILLING TO PAY FOR IT. That is a true statement, and there is no way around it.
>>71306393
You forget that it's night time here, Aussie. How is doing what you enjoy and making a profit pathetic?
Weak bantz, man. I expect more of you.
>>71306563
Sorry someone doesn't enjoy their position as a cog as do..
fucking canadians
>>71300806
And what are you going to eat?
>>71306232
Going out into the woods to camp for the long term, having hunting and fishing skills, an emergency fund of money, and a supply of necessary tools, is nothing like putting a revolver to your head. That's a poor analogy. I want to live differently than most people in modern society. I want to get something else out of my life than what I'm getting right now.
>>71306332
Right. I don't think I'd like to live much past 75, though when I'm seventy-five the world will be a much different place. Besides, assisted suicide will probably be quite legal as long as a person could demonstrate that their quality of life is severely diminished.
>>71306496
Yeah but it's still bullying. Way to try and separate a sub cause from it's root. I'm just saying you have to learn to swim and shying kids away or running away from that shit is only going to fuck them up more.
>>71300806
Wow....just....wow. This is literally the dumbest thing I have ever read on this board, right at the top of the page. I hope for your sake that you are actually fifteen.
>>71306129
I guess I can sympathize with what you're saying anon, I just disagree. It's true, working a job like that isn't going to bring you fulfillment in the way that earning a Nobel Prize would. But those are jobs people have to do unless we automate them.
I just think you'd be better off trying to move on up through getting a better education and trying to get a job that would bring you more fulfillment if you really don't like the one you're in now, rather than going hobo. [I know I'm making it sound easier than it is but it's just what I think is the right thing to do.]
>>71306419
Fair enough. Alcoholism ruined my parents' life for about 4 years of their retirement. It took a lot of upheaval to get them to stop.
Maybe just try to do something drastically different with your life first? I'm making this the year I live to the max. We just hired a new guy who's done a bit of mountaineering and climbed Rainier...he and I are going to go do Mt. Hood or Adams this year and then Rainier the next. And then my wife and I have some serious backpacking plans too.
I'd say though that if you 'have money', take six months and learn to invest it. Worst case scenario you have a comfier retirement after sticking with your job til you're retirement age. But if you do decide to drop everything and hobo it, there's absolutely no reason you shouldn't be able to have a steady stream of dividends most of the time to support you.
Coming back to my other argument that ownership of assets is preferable to a career, and that a career should only be a means to ownership of assets; not the main avenue of fulfillment in your life.
>>71306740
Sorry you're so fucking butthurt. Let the man live his life..
>>71306616
How very 13 year oldish sounding wisdom you have. Tell us more about how the world is so black and white like in the TV?
>>71306182
I'll take cyberbullying and information overload over Polio and lower life expectancy any day.
Of course the challenges are more complex anon, we've figured out the simpler ones. That means we need to continue to strive in order to find answers to the more complex problems.
Come over here to pirate cove leafbro, enjoy yourself in a exotic beach parties with based pirates while waiting on million of dollars in random money, free qt and rum at all times, and you will get a job in whatever the fuck you good at.. Come live a real libertarian lifestyle.
>>71306843
>Be you
>Drive to work
>Work
>Drive home
>Sleep
>Wake up
>Drive to work
>Work
>>71306563
Oh look, it's progressive, modern, delicate Sweden here to show us the light!
Thank nothing!
>>71306800
ownership of assets is preferable to a career, and that a career should only be a means to ownership of assets; not the main avenue of fulfillment in your life.
That is pretty much the ideal scenario.
>>71306843
Don't just throw a barb out and dismiss everything without contributing a rebuttal.
Tell us why your sales numbers matter to you.
>>71300806
And then you will not be able to raise kids in good conditions if you dont settle somewhere and therefore need to get a regular income flow.
If you want to live freely, keep educating yourself as much as you can, and start your business. Freedom os not something you have completly in an instant, its something you constantly have to fight for more, and it is very similar to entrepreneurship in that regard.
>>71300806
It's a smelly hitch hiker "free spirit" episode
Ivan Milat would like to give you a lift OP
>>71306707
>I don't think I'd like to live much past 75
It depends, if I am doing ok physically and mentally I wouldn't mind living longer, I saw this documentation about old physically active people once, they showed this teacher who did the decathlon on a semi-professional level when he was young and I was thinking, ok the guy is bit slow and shit, but pretty good for a guy in his seventies, then they said how old he really was, he was 95 years old, shit was pretty impressive.
>>71306919
^^ This
>>71300806
Too bad I have Hemophilia and therefore must get a job with health insurance to get medicine that prevents me from bleeding to death internally because I bumped my elbow or some bullshit. I'd love to just live off the land and/or travel around.
>>71306843
Where did I even come close to saying anything is black and white?
Sorry to hear you lack basic reading comprehension skills. Also, thanks for confirming you've never been out of the country.
>>71306993
I'm gay with little to no sex drive and don't plan on having kids (mostly for those reasons).
>>71300806
>my brilliant ideah is to become a litteral hobo
>canadian intellectuals
>>71300806
Bring sunscreen. Have fun.
>>71306658
You don't have my flag - but you are the troll here. Or just stubborn as hell.
How the hell was there a market for video games before they were invented? There were GAMES. But people in theory could just stick with boardgames... or throwing sticks at rocks instead of wasting money on a PC... But new inventions create demand.
The demand changed so much that games now sell consoles. Not the other way around.
And the demand was fueled by marketing.
You can create demand for just about anything if you manipulate people correctly or have a creative idea that speaks to their curiosity/
>>71306919
Mmm air conditioned home with internet, movies, my PS4, warm hot meals and showers, plumbing, a clean asshole, teeth not rotting from my skull, my virtual reality headset coming in the mail which will put me in nature whenever I want. Mmm, yeah so terrible.
>>71306726
Cyberbullying affects kids differently than traditional bullying. If you don't understand that then you have a lot of studying to do and probably are not qualified to talk about this topic.
>>71307147
I was a hobo for a couple weeks like year. On that short of a scale, it was fun. But I still had deadlines to get home. I want to make it a little longer term.
>>71307154
Thank-you.
So basically become a dirty fucking hippie
>>71307037
Yeah I've seen some people, especially around here, who remain active and they do 100% better.
The problem though is that they're still pretty fragile. I've seen those same people break a bone or whatever and suddenly it just sucks the life right out of them. Then they're just like their counterparts.
But you are right. I guess I'm kind of cynical about the whole end-of-life thing. People are so fucking scared of death. We need to be OK with it from adolescence, IMO. Live life while we can, find meaning in it, and treasure every moment you have with the people you love; your parents, siblings, spouse.
Spouse especially. I can't imagine having anything besides an affectionate and warm relationship with my wife. I make sure I'm happy to see her every damn day I come home, because someday one of us might not be in that equation anymore. And if we're lucky enough to grow old together, I don't want a lifetime of regret to be the focus of our last years living together.
Fuck I'm getting all sappy now. Fuck you guys. I'm gonna go shower. Good luck OP; whatever you decide, consider ditching the alcohol consumption. It'll help you regardless of your decision. Lifelong drinkers definitely don't play out to a happy ending.
>>71306909
Polio vaccine came in the 50's. Several generations ago. I'm comparing to the generations after that.
>>71307268
Best goy.
>>71307111
I saw a little on TV.
>>71307268
I'm not proposing that it's terrible, just that that life has not been fulfilling for me so I want to try something else. I've lived with those kinds of comforts and entertainments my entire life and I still feel like it's all a waste of time.
>>71307460
You thought about buying a really good bike for your adventure?
>>71300806
And who will care for you while you will get older? Youl have no pension no grandchildren, you will rot in a ditch stupid goy. Get a degree a job and a wifu, and if your white you should have 3 kids minimum.
>>71300806
You don't have to be a vegabond. The government pays me over a grand atm to shitpost
>>71307460
NO Anon, you have to like what he likes, you degenerate shit.
Shouldn't pol be happy about a homo going off to be separate from society? You guys are so confused. Make up your damn minds. Would you rather he join a Bernie rally and scream about FUCKING WHITE MALES?
I mean, he might already scream about fucking white males from time to time, but it's a totally different context.
>>71304860
If you like Jonny hobo and the freight trains you should check out Days and Daze.
>>71307525
He's only 25 my hook nosed friend..
>>71307460
Yeah I'm just funnin yah. Go live your life, kid. Don't get raped by a moose.
>>71300806
>hop trains
enjoy getting a cavity search from DHS
this isnt the 1930's
>>71307525
Already have a good-paying job, won't ever have a wife.
>>71307540
I thought only the Australians had government sponsorship to shitpost.
>>71307525
See my prior posts about how we 'care' for people who are older.
Literally the ditch is preferable. At least the ditch death won't be strung out over six years of sponge baths and cable television waiting for your next bland, tasteless meal and a CNA to change your foley and empty your piss sack.
>>71307249
You cannot create demand for just about anything. The very best marketers and advertisers on earth don't bat 100%. They try desperately to sell some products and fail.
Why are you making such a ridiculous argument. Some products and services just don't manage to find a market and sell and they get closed down. Do you seriously deny that? Do you think that every single product can be profitable? If so, go prove it buddy.
>>71307648
I work on the railway for a living and have hopped before. I have a lot to learn but I know some tricks.
>>71307560
Good point you cheeky cunt. Why are they opposed to me segregating myself?
Anyway, thanks for contributing to the thread everyone. I appreciate the criticism as much as the encouragement.
>>71300806
step 4-?
get mugged repeatedly
get multiple diseases
be attacked by multiple wild animals
wake up covered in ticks every other night
regret your shitty decision every night
repeat
>>71300806
>You Can Live Without Working
The Native American Indians have been doing these for hundreds of years, until the Whites came and stole their land and invented work and the economic system. Now they have to work to earn money to survive.
Same with the Australian Aborigines. They lived for thousands of years without working or worrying about money, but then the Whites stole their land and invented work and offices.
>>71308004
Yeah but they deserved it for not having advanced, technologically
>>71307803
It's firstly not what I was stating. My point was simply that an initial failure helps people narrow in on a market. That was it. I stick to that.
Smart innovators will fail and learn from that failure. It's exactly what you are saying too.
But on top of that, the debate went into the topic of marketing vs actual demand. I believe that a demand for almost anything can be created, not naturally mind you, but via clever marketing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulip_mania The Dutch experienced this first hand.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bernays
You'd enjoy reading up on this man, he could indeed sell sand to an Arab if he so desired. He's one of the reasons why we're such consumers of useless shit.
Enjoying the debate btw - it's why I go to /pol in the first place.
>>71307803
>>71307803
It's firstly not what I was stating. My point was simply that an initial failure helps people narrow in on a market. That was it. I stick to that.
Smart innovators will fail and learn from that failure. It's exactly what you are saying too.
But on top of that, the debate went into the topic of marketing vs actual demand. I believe that a demand for almost anything can be created, not naturally mind you, but via clever marketing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulip_mania The Dutch experienced this first hand.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bernays
You'd enjoy reading up on this man, he could indeed sell sand to an Arab if he so desired. He's one of the reasons why we're such consumers of useless shit.
Enjoying the debate btw - it's why I go to /pol in the first place.
>>71308004
Of course natives and aborigines worked. They hunted and gathered and sometimes grew crops. Do you think that happened without work?
>>71303166
even better plan
- "develop" depression go to doctor, get social warefare monies
- few months later "mental health issuses" get worse making you non-functional
-apply for full disability benefits
-get free mobility car and free social house
-get paid more in benefits than the average working twat
gawd bless the u.k
>>71307398
lol that isn't the point at all XD the point is that generations before yours have made your life better, and you should do the same for generations to come.
Would you try saying Einstein's, Newton's, or Copernicus's advancements in science are invalid because they didn't come from the generation immediately before you? You seem to be completely missing the point of what I'm saying.
Oh and by the way all of those scientists I just mentioned dealt with a number of complicated hardships that existed in their times that didn't prevent them from trying to make progress.
>>71308201
You are really very bad at grasping the main point being made.
You may learn from failure and then try again. But the point was that you may not be able to make a living doing what you love. If you fail and try again doing something else, that's good. But it only goes to prove you were not able to make a living doing what you first wanted to do. You have to keep testing and end up doing something the market rewards.
Pointing out some examples of things where a market took hold does not prove that it can happen for anything. A certain % of things have a market or can have a market created. Some of them are things you wouldn't expect which proves that nobody can really predict it. That does not mean every product or service will have a market. In fact, most will not. Most products or services will not turn a profit and even the best marketers on earth do not succeed 100% of the time or even close. Also when they do succeed it is partly because they go out and ask the market what it wants and listen to that and tailor things to it.
>>71307658
>>No children
>>No legacy
Why did your parents even bothered to conceive you? You selfish child.
>>71307679
Well maybe the old timers housing is just shit in Canada, my dad old man was living a decent like even in an elderly age, for example uou can make armors, and blades for fun as a hobby. Being old isn't that shit, there's plenty of active old folks here.
>>71308004
Geez I know those lucky Aboginals having constant tribal warfare forgetting how to make fire and doing pic related to each constantly those lucky guys. FUCK THE BRITISH
Now they can sit around sniff petrol and get drunk all the time FOR FREE not to mention all the bonuses of free dental/medical cheaper shit everywhere. Fucking British racists
>>71304494
How did you start?
>>71307821
I dunno man. This is the most confusing thread I've seen here in a while, and I like to think I've seen some pretty confusing shit.
Oh well. Good luck mang. Maybe update us a month from now and let us know what you chose.
>>71307821
On my part, I'd say the title threw a lot of people off.
The general thrust of your plans also impliedly assert that this off-the-grid (and possibly "hippie-ish" lifestyle) is inherently superior to what the rest of us do. This also aligns with a lot of the clickbait flying around, so it's not unforeseeable that people would react.
But you've conceded that the title was just a W-I-P, and also that the 9-5 life isn't really for you. You've done your homework, your finances are there, so go enjoy yourself you faggot.
Really, all this fuss could have been resolved if you had clarified that your intention wasn't to make a normative statement about society at large.
>>71308288
The point was that the generations just before this one did not necessarily make life better. Using an example from the 50's doesn't say anything about the last couple generations and those are the ones I'm focusing on.
I also did not say there weren't hardships in every generation. I said the ones today's children deal with are of a kind that I don't think people are really wired to deal with at all. We're in uncharted territory in a way I don't think we have been in anytime in the recent past.
>>71307803
>>71307803
It's firstly not what I was stating. My point was simply that an initial failure helps people narrow in on a market. That was it. I stick to that.
Smart innovators will fail and learn from that failure. It's exactly what you are saying too.
But on top of that, the debate went into the topic of marketing vs actual demand. I believe that a demand for almost anything can be created, not naturally mind you, but via clever marketing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulip_mania The Dutch experienced this first hand.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bernays
You'd enjoy reading up on this man, he could indeed sell sand to an Arab if he so desired. He's one of the reasons why we're such consumers of useless shit.
Enjoying the debate btw - it's why I go to /pol in the first place.
>>71300806
Lol fucking hippie. At least promote farming or something, the lifestyle you are promoting is basically that of a failed art student.
>>71308475
Okay I'm starting to get what you're saying now.
Yes, I agree, sometimes we take a step back, and yes I agree that we are dealing with a radically different world that most humans are not well adapted to.
The point that I mean to convey is that we should constantly be trying to make things better for future generations. I also sincerely believe that most people in the generations prior to ours did what they thought was best for their future, and yes, sometimes they made mistakes or sometimes discoveries that solved one problem while creating another.
>>71308376
Filed documents with the state to start an LLC, got all the paperwork finished with the IRS for an EIN, created a website, got some business cards and started shilling on kekbook and craigslist.
