Why is France so socialist?
Everyone here thinks the whole World envy our welfare state. Every political party only pledge for more statism and more government control. Rich people are fleeing and so are doing the compagnies.
Even the most redpilled here are wishing more state to control immigration instead of deleting welfare system to stop it. There is no libertarian right like there is in the US but only a communist far right.
Hobbes thought of government as corrupting the people and being the cause of bad things, whilst Rousseau thought the opposite: government civilises the people.
It's an interesting subject. The history of why nations developed their own characteristics is more interesting than the characteristics themselves.
>tfw europe will collapse in our life time
>>71206560
It's true, and it's interresting to see that while the Front National in France seems to believe in welfare system, UKIP in England seems to trust much more economic freedom.
However we used to have Montesquieu, Tocqueville or Bastiat who are famous french personnalities that believed in free market and that are well known here but people don't even think that it is possible to live without government in every part of our life.
Same with Germany here. It's fucking retarded
>>71207369
Germany don't have any strong opposition party like the UK and France does, it's even more worrying.
>>71206352
You can have "socialism" = state owned goods and services + free market only when:
>you country has an IQ of +-100
>Homogenous country
>when state draining is not done because of moral principles
>when people actually is willing to work and to be a good citizen
>when people pay taxes
>when you have stability and stable families which produce productive member of society
In this conditions "socialism" is good, but when you live in a SJW reality made by single mom coalburners which are a factory for muslim thugs "socialism" becomes a dystopia
>>71208069
Socialism is never good. It is built upon incorrect basic assumptions about how economics works.
>>71206352
Impliying no walfare and state will stop immigration.
Why so many people go in usa?
>>71208143
nope, socialism is based in the idea that economics don't work
>>71208277
The USA has a massive welfare state. The idea that it is a free market utopia is just a myth.
>>71206352
Whole Europe is socialist/communist, US will be soon.
>>71208143
Yes economie is pure science now and not just a political ideology, god i hate neo-marxism
>>71208448
In the XIX and XX?
People who go in usa don't come for walfare at all, they leave bc usa is a rich country
>>71208277
People come in France to steal, rape and benefit from the welfare. Some people also do this now in the US because democrats, but in a free country in terms of economy we would drain real workers and entrepreneurs : this would be enough to get rid of most the immigrants and to keep only the "good" ones.
>>71208069
Sounds like scandinavians countries decades ago
>>71206352
You are adicted to gibs me dats. You are not the only ones. All of Europe minus the micro nations and Switzerland have fallen for this
>>71208625
There is hundred millions of real worker in the world how many do you want?
>>71206352
Siege of Bastille dude
>>71208143
socialism is a major failure as it fails to recognise the basic principle of human nature:
the prioritising of the self.
>>71208625
And first generations of african immigrant used to work hard they come only for work what happened next when you have two three ethnie in a same land
>>71208841
Just fuck my shit up famiglia
>>71208069
Socialism cant work as a whole without an external market to adapt for demand. Mises writes about it. Socialism is a meme system,and that is why it has evolved to a gibs me dat ideology.
>>71208841
If the state would only focus on border control and defense of the territory it would be a million times smaller than now and that'd be great.
Historically France has been like that. The natural evolution of the absolutost monarchy is socialism, while other countried have had a more parliamentary based socity which its evolution is linked to free market capitalism
>>71209115
Border control now, so you want a strong limitation of the economy by the state why do you want to keep all these good workers out of our usine, it's not how economy work, no?
>>71209212
You mean jacobinism
>>71209320
There are already workers inside, just look at the unemployment rate
>>71206560
This. All the individualism-minded enlightenment thinkers came from Britain. The French thinkers were largely collectivists.
>>71209776
Bastiat? Mises? Hayek? Hoppe? That is simply not true m8
>>71209536
The more immigrant come the more economy grow, immigration is good for economy and if you don't care about welfare the unemployment will cost less to the society than what massive immigration allow to earn
>>71206352
To be fair there are *worse* places than France. There are better but you're not doing too badly.
As far as "countries that wrongly thing they're the envy of the world", a certain large country on the other side of the Atlantic comes to mind...
>>71209776
Not really french revolution was mainly about individuality and free-market, it's reaction of the people who stop that
>>71209776
French thinkers were inspired by the brits, even that Rousseau cunt. XIXth century was full of classic liberals
>>71206352
When did France has been socialist ?
in less than 3 years in the last century.
The rest of the time, French leader are busy destroying what socialist has built for the country, and which is the true reason of our relative social peace.
Even the FN flavour of Alliot/MLP are winning heart and mind with motto directly inspired from socialist. Come on, Marine Le Pen is the only one to speak of "Lutte des classes" (class warfare) in her meetings.
What's failed is capitalism, especially the actual flavour
>>71206352
Didn't FN get 40% of the vote but got fucked over by your "democratic" 2nd round voting?
>>71210766
That's it !
Why were there so many """"""refugees"""""" at Calais trying to get to the UK if French welfare is so good?
In national socialism, don't forget there is socialism inside.
We want the good of our people more than the good of the economy, thats all.
>>71210135
Yeah, fuck Canada
>>71210660
57% of the GPD in public spending is socialism
>>71210858
There are no designated rape cities in France
>>71210858
Exactly most immigrant want to have work and live rich with or without welfare they will still come until the destruction of the country
>>71206352
she's my waifu
>>71206352
>communist far right
no one has commented on this yet
proof that /pol/ knows shit about politics
>>71211225
I think it's just a hyperbole
>>71211225
>look the flag of the OP
>>71206352
Enlightenment.
>>71211225
Left and right are really only useful in context. If authoritarianism is considered "right" and liberalism is considered "left" and they're more important than than other factors it's entirely possible to have a "communist far right".
As a counterexample the conservative party in Australia is called the "Liberal" party - in that case "liberal" refers to economic policy and not social policy (generally... more complex in practice)
>>71211225
Conservative on social issues and marxist in economic issues, what's the matter?
>>71211225
He meant "far right" on immigration whilst not really far right on everything else. Autism probably stopped you understanding.
>>71206352
>Rich people are fleeing and so are doing the compagnies.
And all your nice properties are being bought up by dane niggers, either to live in or for "investments." Christ was hollande a disaster.
He gave me a great laugh though after the Paris attack going around like Napoleon, "declaring war," and then dropping exactly 10 bombs.
Your nation is now 3rd world level. Get out while you can mate. Sure,the US is full of spics now but they all live in the same ghettos. You can live somewhere like Idaho or Wyoming and put 100 acres for fucking nothing.
Never have to see a nigger or any motherfucker the rest of your life.
>>71211504
>>71211519
>>71211707
go read a book
>>71206352
Interesting, I was asking myself the very same question just the other time.
It's very intetesting because the leftists here are blaming our left parties to be "too much on the right wing", they are saying "PS or UMP is the same thing, they are both right wings, there is no more left in France". Meanwhile they dont realize that in fact the exact opposite is happening. Even our "far right" party, the FN, is socialist as fuck.
Also I do believe that France is the country with the most leftists and bluepilled people. You litterally never can say anything that is not the global opinion without being called racist or fascist. In history class we are teaching our kids that they have to be ashamed of their own hidtory, and I do believe that is the result of that teaching. Our teacher could openly criticize the FN because they are "racists" but you couldnt do the same about any other party because "you dont have the right to show your political orientation in class".
>>71211838
Yoink. Proxy or real?
>>71206352
Welcome to Europe
>Everyone here thinks the whole World envy our welfare state.
Are you us?
There is no market like free market. Laissez faire for the win.
>>71211860
Are you not able to understand context changes meaning?
>>71211860
Noice retort you Somalian retard.
>>71210858
The benefits in the UK are absurd.
>>71211898
>Yoink. Proxy or real?
Real, here on vacation with GF. As for why here, don't ask me. It's only costing ~250 a day, which really isn't bad considering where we are.
>>71206352
Because the soft social-nationalism we had after the war worked pretty well (1946-1973).
Btw what we have right now isn't socialism, but crony capitalism and degeneracy.
>>71211860
Political positions are an n-dimensional graph, where each axis represents an issue (or group of tightly bound issues). there often tends to be clusters of positions in similar positions on these graphs, sometimes universally, but mostly in a given society. "Right" and "left" are ways of simplifying this graph down by concentrating on a miniscule subset of axes and condensing similar ones down until you only have a 1-dimensional graph - political positions are then considered "left" or "right" on that graph.
Depending on how you do that flattenning of the graph from n-dimensions down to one, you'll get different definitions of "left" and "right"
And as for "go read a book" - you'll find different definitions of "left" and "right" in different books too. Within certain societies (western anglo ones for example) you may find commonality amongst those definitions but they're purely definitions of context and convenience, not set in stone.
>>71212147
So, how is Bhutan?
>>71212147
Post timestamp?
>>71212147
That's a rare one, Prince Charles was just there I think. Is it worth visiting?
>>71211892
I'm a student and one of my teacher told us to vote against the FN for the last regional election in 2015 and literally no one cared. I love my country but I'm really thinking about leaving for another place.
>>71212147
>>71212222
Quads of order. Do it senpai
>>71211997
i have no problem with context, i have a problem with the political understanding of most people on this site
there is a reason politics will never become a science, and the same goes for economics, even if many people in this thread expressed their belief that economics is an scientific endevour (which is laughable at best)
people on here seem to confuse the terms right wing and left wing with conservative and liberal, which are relative to the country and context
>>71212345
Your teacher is telling you who to vote for? That seems highly unethical
>>71212376
>right wing and left wing with conservative and liberal
But it was you that did that lol
>>71212203
as i explained here
>>71212376
there seems to be a confusing on this site about the terms right/left, and liberal/conservative
>>71212434
how?
he said "communist far right"
right/left arent terms like liberal/conservative which depend on context and country
they have their origin in the seating arregnments in the french revolution, and express very spesific views about society
>>71210660
France has been socialist since 1981, with bouts of centre-left socialism (RPR/UMP).
>>71212345
Yeah same here, I'm in a doctorat in economics, people have the free-speech to talk against FN but not against other parties. In the library of our university, they were having an exposition on racism and they putted books about the FN just at the side of books about nazism. The university were litterally saying to people that FN is racist and not different from Hitler during this exposition.
But if you try to say anything about other pzrties you have to "keep your opinions for you, you dont talk about politics in classes"
>>71212345
>
I'm in an engineering school of the University of Lorraine.
The director of the whole university (along with 3 others) sent us a mail during the last regionals to "remind us that we ad to be open-minded and open to other cultures" so it was clearly against FN. I replied him and he told me that I misinterpreted his mail...
>>71212483
OK, lets just say that despite a potentially confusing bit in the OP, everyone still knew more or less what the point was? :)
>>71212580
They may have originated in the Revolution but meanings of words change in ~220 years :)
>>71212651
well it worries me that no one cares about the right categorizations anymore
its the same with the categorizations on tumblr and reddit, this is no diffrent
>>71212774
whats the point in having left/right and con/lib mean the same thing?
other then to change the way people think..
>>71208988
>socialism is a major failure as it fails to recognise the basic principle of anglo nature:
>the prioritising of the self.
Fixed.
>>71211892
>Also I do believe that France is the country with the most leftists and bluepilled people
Germany is worse.
>>71212581
Contrary to what most people think, things began to go sour with Giscard (1974). He couldn't cope with the first petrol crisis and enacted "regroupement familial" which brought in whole immigrant families in instead of just the workers.
>>71212598
If you want the full text (I acted a bit like a lefty in order to not be considered racist).
>>71212936
The meaning of left/right changes depending on the context of what people are talking about.
>>71212121
Check'd
>>71213025
so its supposedly the same as liberal/conservative?
words can change meaning yes, but concepts are still the same, so the question should be, does /pol/ want two words decribing the same concept?
Relative context in politics = left/liberal, right/con
we all know that any community CAN change the meaning of words, no big deal, tubmlr does this too
the question is, why?
>>71208069
>"socialism" becomes a dystopia
Could have ended your post there.
Because all the prerequisites for it to work will not exist due to contradicting socialism.
Why do you need a family if you can just get money from the state due to socialism? You don't. Stable family is out.
Population growth cannot be perpetual. At some point equilibrium between available resources and population is reached. But then who pays the taxes? Immigrants! Homogeneous country is out.
Socialism promotes underachievers to have children and provides disincentives to intelligent people in the form of high taxes (intelligent people don't want to live above their means or lower quality of life while poor and dumb people are fine with living in a dump)...
So you end up with the IQ going down as generations go by. Less and less people being productive and more and more immigration to keep up the necessary GDP growth to keep the aging people leeching on pensions funded.
Socialism is self-defeating.
>>71213011
Deeply concerned about ecology ? ;)
It's frightening to see how the libs have taken control of the universities in Europe and even in the US.
>>71213330
because left vs right are terms used by people that don't know how to say what they want without using those words, you wont change this fact, why does it cause you so much butthurt?
>>71212888
To be honest, categorization dont mean anything nowadays. Everything that doesn't please the cucks is far rights just so they can say their usual «far right is racist». Everything that is against immigration is far tight nowadays.
>>71213011
Quel ramassi de conneries, le message est clairement anti-FN, et, même dand l'hypothèse ou ce ne serait pas le cas, il est en tout cas clairement orienté politiquement (pro-européen et pro espace Schengen.. etc).
Ce que je trouve particulièrement triste, c'est que tu sois obligé de mentir et d'agir comme un gauchiste pour éviter les représailles... Que tu sois obligé de justifier tes positions là où eux peuvent se permettre un mail de propagande de masse sous couvert d'appel au vote... Et après ce sont les nationalistes les fermés d'esprit...
>>71212175
No what we have is exactly socialism we had after the war. The only thing which gave the illusion it worked until 1973 was the fact that the West had a huge growing GDP. Now we can see the true face of this system.
>>71213330
Liberal vs conservative is similar in that it is relative but does not quite describe the same thing as left/right.
Personally I don't like left/right because of the uncertainty it introduces in meaning but you gotta put up with what the rest of the world does.
>>71212270
>That's a rare one, Prince Charles was just there I think. Is it worth visiting?
One of them was here recently, I think Harry Balls but could be wrong.
Worth visiting? Cool mountain views, relatively cheap, makes GF (with her worthless fucking Asian history degree) feel impt as she lectures me about things I don't care about.
I'd much rather be in Europe, want to see all I can before the hordes destroy it, but at least it's cheaper than the hotels she was looking at in Florence if we had gone to Italy.
>>71213330
Why the fuck do you even use the terms right and left? They barely describe anything. Right means anti-egalitarianism and left means egalitarianism.
Use those words, easy.
>>71213408
>>71213417
well i wouldnt be butthurt if i knew that this site actually doesnt care about categories , but they do "hurr you cant have pansexuals" hurr
i however, am trying to be consistant, and by doing so, holding all cetegories to the same standards
in this thread alone, i have seen people claim stupid things like "economics are a science" with no regard to what makes something categorize as scientific.
if we are going to play by no rules, and express ouer emotions like monkey , cool, i suggest you go to tumblr and continue that shit there
this site is infested with the same people they hate, they just dont realize it because they share their emotions , rather then the opposite sides
good luck with claiming "we are logicsz" when people on here are about as smart as the avrage reddit user
>>71213811
You've always had to sift through crap to get anything worthwhile out of this site, maybe 8 ch would suit you better
>>71213811
Economics are science moron.
>>71213369
>>71213417
Je suis effectivement assez concerné par l'écologie et j'avais voté pour les écolos au premier tour même si c'est des gauchistes inutiles (juste pour montrer qu'il y a quand même des gens concernés). Après, j'avais malheureusement pas pu voter au second tour mais je pense que j'aurais voté FN.
En autre truc déplaisant, il y avait des élèves de mon école (dont les élèves sont quand même majoritairement orientés à droite) qui avaient scotché des bulletins de votes sur les murs d'un bâtiment en disant aux gens qu'il "n'étais pas trop tard pour voter contre le FN"...
Et après, dès qu'on dit la moindre chose on est traité de réac ou de raciste...
>>71213949
Uh, no. Economics are a social science at most.
>>71211225
French people don't speak English. Stop being pedantic over semantics.
>>71213579
because egaliterian describes two poition, equality of opertunity and equality of outcome
and some right wing people still want equality in terms of law, and oppertunity
>>71213976
Honnêtement, il n'y a rien de plus inutile que le parti écolo, mais bon, ce n'est que mon avis.
Sinon pour rejoindre ce que tu disais, c'est quand même grave de devoir avoir honte de ses opinions quand on est dans un pays qui prône la liberté d'opinion, la liberté d'idée, le multipartisme, etc. En gros c'est "soyez ouvert d'esprit, soyez comme nous", et ils ne se rendent pas compte qu'en disant ça ils sont eux mêmes fermés d'esprit.
>>71214040
You never studied economics then.
>>71214040
and social science always has invisible scare quotes around the "science" bit.
>>71214123
It's true that we don't speak english. Once again, it's because our education system is really bad when it comes to foreign languages.
I have a really good level compared to other students thanks to video games and internet, but still it's really hard for me when it comes to writing.
>>71214219
Economics uses an awful lot of math, but outside of mathematical modelling it's not really much of a hard science.
>>71214123
"stop caring about meaning"
okey
>>71206352
Isn't dirigisme the default French economic model?
>>71214145
No it doesn't. Egalitarianism only describes equality of outcome. By definition. You can pretend it means something else if you misread the definition, but that's on you.
I thought the socialists are currently only the third strongest party.
The presidential elections will be a race between right wing and far right.
>>71213949
economics is an human made endevour
its a social science
>>71214219
>quand on est dans un pays qui prône la liberté d'opinion, la liberté d'idée, le multipartisme, etc. En gros c'est "soyez ouvert d'esprit, soyez comme nous", et ils ne se rendent pas compte qu'en disant ça ils sont eux mêmes fermés d'esprit.
C'est exactement ça, quand on voit le contrôle de l'information (surtout par rapport à l'immigration), la censure sur internet et tout ça, c'est à demander si on dérive pas vers un régime totalitaire...
Concernant le partie écolo, je suis entièrement d'accord, ils ne servent absolument à rien (puis quand on voit Ségolène Royale en ministre de l'écologie, on se pose des questions...). Après, à petite échelle ils font parfois de bons trucs, mais le problème c'est qu'au final, c'est pas des écolos mais des politiciens donc l'écologie, ils s'en fichent...
>>71212598
>In the library of our university, they were having an exposition on racism
Tu ne serais pas à Paris X par hasard ?
>>71214311
You're modelling an economy in a simplified way. And since humans arent robots, they are impredictible. So yeah, if people doest act the way you expected them to do, you may have wrong results with your model. But that doesnt mean economics isnt a science, that just mean that your model was too basic or too simple. Complex models and econometry can today make previsions with a 5-10% error rate of what will be the economy tomorrow. Thats a kinda accurate science tbqh.
>>71206352
I couldn't imagine the french being stubborn.
This is a complete surprised.
I am surprised.
>>71214371
Egalitarianism (from French égal, meaning "equal")—or, rarely, equalitarianism[1][2] or equalism[3]—is a trend of thought that favors equality for all people.
Egalitarian doctrines maintain that all humans are equal in fundamental worth or social status, according to the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy.
If it descibes something else then equality (which incompases two concepts)
(note: just like freedom incompases two concepts)
what would we do with the concept of equality then?
What would you call someone who supports just equal oppertunities?
surely there is a word fitting for the concept
of course even if you find such a word, you would still have butcherd the concept of equality into two seperate concepts (egaliterianism, and the new word you want to use to describe oppertunity)
>>71214588
Si! Et franchement les bouquins sur le FN dans l'expo sur le racisme c'est franchement déplacé je trouve.
>>71214497
N'oubliez pas que l'on est à la pointe en terme de censure ( Boite noir du net, interdiction de spectacles comiques, de manifestations ) et propagande. Le régime totalitaire est déjà là.
>>71206896
>tfw the US will be turned into a fascist state in our life time
>>71213011
C'est hallucinant.
And i follow you about vge, the beggining of the end
>>71214601
You can make mathematical models of almost anything, it doesn't inherently make it a science.
>>71214707
Je n'ai même pas fais attention pour tout te dire, dès que j'ai vu la tronche du stand, je ne me suis pas attardé.
>>71214835
How is Donald Trump just like Hitler?
>>71214818
Et le crime d incitation a la haine qui est merveilleux quand on y pense et quand on voit la maniere dont il appliqué dans les tribunaux
>>71214818
Effectivement et il y a seulement quelques petits trucs dont on parle dans les médias, comme l'affaire Dieudonné. Tout le reste passe à la trappe...
>>71214674
>What would you call someone who supports just equal oppertunities?
Define term equal opportunity first. What the fuck does that even mean? If you're more intelligent, you don't have the same opportunity as someone less intelligent. If you're richer, you have more opportunities than someone who is poor. Equality of opportunity can be, by proxy, equality of outcome. If that's your definition, then you call that person an egalitarian.
>>71213474
Nope. Our economic and foreign policies are the complete opposite of what we had after the war.
>>71213976
>j'avais voté pour les écolos au premier tour
Ah ah.
>>71214345
I wouldn't say it's the "default", but historically it has worked pretty well for France, certainly better than other models.
>>71214888
Il me semble qu'on peut encore voir des bouquins ultra alarmistes de propagande en exposition sur le FN dans la salle de droit...
>>71215001
Ouaip, à Paris X les communistes ont entièrement tagué notre fac suite à leur petite rebellion contre la loi El-Khomri, ils ont notamment tagué "pend ton patron tu te sentiras mieux". Dingue comme il n'y a pas d'incitation à la haine là. Par contre va poser une affiche "Rapefugees not welcome" et tu te fais arrêter sur le champ.
>>71214282
Didnt your minister for education a few months ago suggest, that french schools should stop teaching German?
>>71215249
Our minister for education is a stupid cunt, that wouldnt surprise me at all.
>>71215220
>dans la salle de droit
Mince, moi qui pensais qu'on était un peu épargné en droit, il faut croire que non.
>les communistes ont entièrement tagué notre fac...
Vous n'êtes pas trop touchés en éco ?
les petit bras du fn ah ah des minable libéral qui finira a la trappe
dire que l'ecologie sert a rien ça me fait marré
>>71208401
is that why spain is thriving? haha lazy mexicans, i swear.
>>71215249
Not entirely. It was a proposal to scrap German from a special students program intended for talented students. In the grand scheme of things it's not a big deal because French students are already far more likely to learn Spanish than German, and often end up speaking Spanish better than they even speak English.
The media blow it out of proportion as if the French were abolishing the teaching of German altogether. It was just scrapped from their special students plan.
vous êtes viré de jvc donc vous venez ici les baltring
Frenchfag living in Britain.
To those that assume it is some sort of congenial part of France, it is plainly false. Using Jacobins retards as an argument is kind of dumb considering they ruled less than five years, and after the purge Frenchmen had based rulers like Louis Phillipe that are definitely "libertarian" as far as rulers go.
France implemented income tax after the US or the UK as a preparation of war measure in 1914. Of course the measure was sold on a lie and wasn't repealed after the war but that give you an idea.
If you want a before/after moment in history, it is probably the 1936-1946 decade. Popular front ("democratic socialism)) followed by the fascists. They, combined, are the reason why France has gotten so retarded in terms of economics. People in the high spheres like Jacques Rueff tried and largely managed to revert the deed in terms of policy. In 1968 the US were agitating the French syndicates because De Gaulle was threatening with re-establishing the gold standard instead of following the dollar. At the time France was the second GDP in the world, it was a very real threat and it had some effect on the people at the Fed that forced Nixon to ratify the Jamaica agreement in 1971 to completely abandon every last remnant of tangible money. Many people in the "Austrian school" vibe in the 19th century and early 20th century were French people, more than Austrians.
I'm not trying to wank a nostalgia dick or to glorify the country, but France being a socialist shithole is a recent phenomenon.
Though the fact that the past of France has been completely obliterated is proof of the complete subversion of the country.
>>71215390
Non ça va, on a eu quelques graffitis mais rien de comparable au bâtiment L. Des gens ont occupé le hall du bat L pendant plusieurs semaines. Ils ont volé du matériel dans la salle de théâtre, ont barricadé l'entrée, dormaient sur place... De vrais dégénérés...
>>71215474
Je pensais pas qu'on pouvait être con au point de ne pas savoir lire. J'ai dit que le parti écolo ne servait à rien, pas l'écologie.
>>71215249
I don't think so. Even if our level is bad we still can learn a lot of foreign languages. It just depends on the school.
Currently, I'm learning english, german and russian in school (you can learn arabic and chinese too) and japanese with a studen association.
>>71215532
Ah thanks, people were kinda mad and since she is a sandnigger there were a lot of jokes how french children are going to learn moroccan instead of other european languages.
A fate which wouldnt be very unlikely for Germany aswell tbqh.
English you have nothing to say you are a traitor you betrayed France and before the Duchy of Brittany
>>71214994
ARE YOU KIDDING ME???
>>71214835
They didn't even get the shitty John Oliver meme right
ta marine le pen propose que dalle niveau ecolo a part des propositions éronée et dépasser
>>71215650
Ça continue apparemment en L, la présidence a envoyé un communiqué il y a quelques jours à propos de l'occupation qui se poursuis.
Sinon, quelle année de doctorat ?
>continent named after woman raped by bull
>birthplace of socialism
>France
And people are surprised?
>>71215033
what do you think it means? By law
you are allowed to do whatever the next person is allowed to
this then becomes a seperate concept then that of outcome, as this does not necessary include economics
>>71215804
Proxy or Ahmed detected.
French is a hard language to write and I also do some mistakes but this is not the kind of grammar error a native speaker would do.
>>71215678
>Even if our level is bad
As a Dutchman I have to say, stop blaming that shit. In the Netherlands we are obliged to take English, French and German classes. Nobody can speak French, we can only kind of speak German and our English is good. Do you think it's because the quality of these classes is so different? Hell no.
English is fucking EVERYWHERE in the Netherlands. It's on our tvs, in our advertisements, in our newspapers and even in our fucking schools. Some university educations are given entirely in English and using English books, even if the majority of students are Dutch. Our German proficiency is okay, though declining because we neighbor Germany and it's our most important trading partner. Our French is shit because anything past our direct neighbors might as well not exist.
Compare France, which is rather nationalistic (something I envy) and not only has a strong domestic entertainment industry, but dubs everything from abroad. The French being bad at foreign languages has less to do with the education system and more with their linguistic situation. Same reason as why the Brits are shit at foreign languages, or the Americans, or Latin American fags. To a degree they don't "need" foreign languages (which is to say, English) as much as the Dutch.
Pic related, a Dutch girl arguing that the Netherlands should just switch to using English altogether. Propose this for Farnce and they'll hang you from the Eiffel Tower by your own entrails.
>>71208401
Trump basically does not mind LEGAL non-whites in his country. His nationalism is civic nationalism. Hitler advocated racial nationalism. A big difference there.
>>71215886
Première année, j'ai eu mon master il y a deux ans, je me suis offert une année pour m'installer avec ma copine.
Tu es en droit toi?
>>71215919
That's falls under libertarianism. And if you want to treat it separately from "don't tread on me", it's called "the government shall not raise artificial barriers to opportunity".
It's not egalitarianism.
>>71216068
Oui, mais seulement en L2. Tu as une thèse à rendre d'ici la fin de tes études ?
>>71213811
Great post mate. Unfortunaly ,many will disregard based on "Muh Feels!!!"
>>71213949
lol. French monkey thinks economics are any better then sociology.
>>71215722
One cannot betray a natural enemy........
>>71215249
There shouldn't be special classes which teach german and latin because muh inequality
>>71214601
How can you explain that economists fail pretty much every prediction they make?
>>71215965
You'd be surprised
>>71215804
>propositions éronée et dépasser
Not only you can't write in English, but you can't even write in your own language properly (assuming Arabic is not your first language).
>>71216608
>assuming Arabic is not your first language
The hell do you think? He must be that Bilel who constantly wanks over muh Islamic empires on /int/ .
>>71216592
They don't.
Maybe you're confusing talking heads on TV for economists.
>>71216192
>it falls under libertariansim
>dont get me started on libertariansim
>"the government shall not raise artificial barriers to opportunity"
the problem is, the government IS an artificial barrier to oppertunity,, you cant kill, you cant steal ect.
which means, people are EQUAL, but not FREE
there is a reason why anarchists recjet libertariansim, because it has faulty logic and a lacks a consistant definition of freedom
while anarchy and communism have been united in many struggles
freedom and equality are related in the sense that you can have equality (of oppertunity) in freedom (everyone is equaly free to do something)
but having equality does not necessary mean having freedom (everyone is equaly opressed by x)
why is that sexy little thing wasting her time with politics and not popping out babies
>>71216836
>which means, people are EQUAL, but not FREE
To bring Rousseau back into the equation, you need to understand the difference between absolute, natural and legal freedom. You're not free to kill, but then again you're also not free to just fly off.
In fact, go to Montesquieu and he defines his freedom as obedience to the law! Because those who do not obey the law can take away your freedom (by killing you, as you named as your example).
Lrn2freedom bruh.
>>71216836
Libertarianism is just anarchy light as they refuse to live on command.
"Anarchist" that cares about hierarchy instead of individual agency will never ever have anything to do with freedom.
>>71216968
>Idiots like him are less concerned with words than the bodies those words come out of
And we wonder why the political debate is getting more and more infantile. I look forward to the day where our attention spans are so short and our base instincts so given in to that politicians will need to dangle their keys in front of us to get our attention.
>>71216836
Anarchy and communism have nothing in common. Communism is the creation of the biggest most powerful state possible to achieve equality, then dismantling the state.
The dismantling part never materializes.
Communism cannot be anarchism because the route it tries to take to statelessness is by building a more powerful state which is exactly the opposite of what it is trying to achieve. The expectation that those with absolute power will willingly give it up is ridiculous.
>The French Revolution by Nesta H. Webster
>https://archive.org/details/frenchrevolution00websuoft
Good book that does a great job of unraveling the revolution - who was behind it and their ultimate motivation. It was nothing at all like it's been taught in school. It wasn't a spontaneous people's rising. It was an event orchestrated and financed by outside sources and would later become a big influence on Karl Marx and set the stage for many things to come.
France's national motto, not coincidentally, is also the motto of the Freemasons - Liberté, égalité, fraternité. The Jacobins were illuminized masons.
>>71212345
This happens in England too, they tell us we have to vote Labour as "Labour helps us" and that UKIP is racist. BNP is mentioned in the same breath as Satan and Hitler, I don't know why when it isn't young white English men who have been raping and harassing some of the girls at our college. I'm sick to death of the Left and their pets.
>>71217061
freedom is a concept
i dont care about the word, if libertarians want it that badly they can have it.
like i posted earlier, im here to discuss concepts, and if you dont like the word, fine give me a new one.
BUT i dont see why we should use diffrent words to descibe 1 concept. Its inefficiant, and seems to be a political move to limit abstract thinking.
so in the case of freedom
What concept do we have that has "no boundries" outside the laws of nature?
What is the state called when man is free to do what he wants and isnt limited by social norms and laws?
anarchy? How can a concept such as anarchy allow you to kill and steal, and do whatever you desire be more individualistic and open then the word "freedom". Is anarchy more free then freedom?
even the verb itself, to desribe something that allows for more is free(er)
no, sir YOU learn2freedom
>>71217061
That is one big definition circlejerk.
If I define God as Satan, then that settles it, let's go satanist.
Still better than Hobbes, you does nothing but give bizarre definitions to common words where definition is not a useful method of explanation. Then he can list many bizarre propositions that are only bizarre because people instinctively give them meanings different from Hobbes.
>>71217498
>Literally a feminist conspiracy theorist
>>71217281
what is this shit?
anarchist that cares about hierarchy?
Another case of this Threads massive amount of misscategorizations
>>71206352
Can you actually make the argument that France is more socialist than Germany?
I think when you go past public perception, you'll find that France is no more socialist than most other European countries.
>>71212345
I couldn't take it anymore. Don't know if I'm weak or if it objectively is too much too bear.
As noted above, I moved to England. There are many retarded things happening here (though I live in a comfy place in Suffolk so it's rather old England calm) but at least it's a different kind of retardation so the variety makes it better.
At least I keep more of my earnings.
Candidate national front séverine amelot displays its affinity with the Neo Nazi movement
>>71217480
the goal of communism is a classless society,
i agree on the method used being wrong, but thats hardly what we are talking about
its their goals that unite them, if they used the same methodology, they would be the same ideology
>>71217561
>That is one big definition circlejerk.
Welcome to philosophy. Hell, welcome to linguistics. Any philosopher who writes about a certain thing in depth will start out by defining his words to avoid confusion. Hell, even in certain professions certain words are given a definition that's different from that in common parlance. Where do you think the expression "legalese" came from?
>If I define God as Satan, then that settles it, let's go satanist.
Go ahead, I'd doubt you'd get a big following comparable to those of the Contract Theorists.
>>71217850
Well technically communism is supposed to be anarchism. And anarchism isn't an ideology, it's a word that describes a certain state of society.
There is no ideological position called anarchism. It's always accompanied by the word designating the ideology. For example anarcho capitalism or anarcho syndicalism.
Words, dude. They are important.
>>71217612
jew detected
>>71217898
Don't play smartass pretending it is some esoteric absolute. Pascal, Leibniz, Pierce, Bergson and many others have since long mocked the definition circlejerk philosophers.
>>71216229
Ouais c'est ça, et à la fin tu présente ta thèse devant un jury.
En droit pur? J'avais fait une licence droit-éco à l'époque, puis j'ai continué sur un master d'économie.
>>71217480
>Anarchy and communism
Pretty much the same
>Communism is the creation of the biggest most powerful state possible
Path to communism theorized by Marx. You can agree or not. It's a mental exercis made by Marx
>The dismantling part never materializes.
According to you
>with absolute power will willingly give it up is ridiculous.
Of course it is. But they won'y give power willingly
>>71218135
words are only there to describe concepts
if we arent talking about meaning, what are we even talking about?
Anarchy means no ruler, so it works perfectly fine on it own to describe an idea, the necessary elements to bring that idea to life (having freedom, having no hirarchy , no state to limit you (rule you) are whats part of the ideology of anarchy
Can't spell libertarian without "liberal"
>>71208277
The no-welfare will never happen, its in fact completely impossible in a democratic state, as a voting majority are dependent on handouts
>>71218267
Mockery is fine, but I doubt you'll be able to find even one philosopher who doesn't define his terms.
To go back to legalese, this is like saying the entire legal profession is discredited because Hume called lawyers the scum of the earth.
>>71218309
Oui, droit pur. Je n'aurais de toutes façons pas pu envisager un cursus avec de l'éco, pas assez bon en mathématiques pour ça. Tu as déjà un sujet pour ta thèse ? Tu enseignes à côté de çà ?
>>71219583
Juriste ici aussi, tu comptes faire quoi après ?
>>71218898
There are two 'l's in liberal, but not in libertarian.
>>71219683
Hé bien, boucler mes études en premier lieu. Après, je tenterai des concours de la FP je pense. Tu étudies dans quelle fac ?
>>71206352
>Why is France so socialist?
Because jews tricked the plebs into overthrowing the monarchy and replacing it with jews?
>>71218463
This.
Communism and anarchism are quite different since one require a state to redistribute the wealth and the other wants no state because its against liberties.
Both are shit tho.
>>71219927
Quelque part en France
Perso je compte m'arrêter au M1
>>71206352
>that birthmark
>>71219583
>>71218309
Putain les gars, je suis à Nanterre moi aussi, j'aurais pas cru qu'il y avait tant de /pol/acks ici vu la fac de gauchiste.
En L2 droit justement.
>>71220029
>Quelque part en France
Pas plus de précision ? Dommage...
Et après le M1, tu as des idées ?
>>71220181
Hé bien, je dois dire que je suis étonné aussi. UPA ou B ?
>>71209212
While Spain naturally evolved from muslim occupation to shithole
>>71206352
Non-meme answer: A large part of the business community in France was sympathetic to Fascism and many collaborated with the Germans. After the war companies like Renault were nationalised and the business world was discredited. France also has a more statist tradition dating back to the destruction of separate religious life and a worship of state and nation, dating back to the French revolution.
>>71220257
L'armée, poste d'officier juriste et haut administrateur, puis si l'opportunité ouvre OTAN ou ONU
>>71212623
T'es dans quelle école ?
>>71219583
Non toujours pas de sujet, c'est un peu la merde pour trouver un truc qui n'ait pas déjà été fait... J'avais commencé sur un sujet puis lâché en fin de compte et je cherche autre chose. Et non, je n'enseigne pas à côté.
>>71220257
Double licence droit éco justement. UPC du coup je crois. Et toi?
>>71220555
>toujours
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wD0Mm6WIcYs
>>71220620
UPB (et D pour une matière) pour ma part. Tu es aussi en pleines révisions du coup non ?
>>71220555
Mince, il ne te reste donc plus que 2 ans pour la faire en théorie ?
Once you give people benefits like that, you can't take them away. Now your political discourse and spectrum is adjusted to that fact.
>>71220800
Ouaip, le droit administratif qui arrive vendredi prochain...
Il me semble qu'on a quelques amphis ensemble du coup avec l'UPB, on a sûrement dû se croiser sans même le savoir.
>>71221081
Ha, l'admin pour moi sera le jeudi, dommage. Le monde est petit tout de même, on ne s'attend pas à tomber sur des polacks dans sa fac (surtout à nanterre).
>>71221081
Droit administratif c'est super simple, ça devrait passer
>>71206352
>Why is France so socialist?
women.
>>71219965
to fuel the revolution today, instead of pamphlets and laborers, they use television and minority groups
>>71221321
Ouais avec le contrôle continu j'ai 17 fe moyenne provisoire en admin', je m'en fais pas trop. C'est pour les partiels post-vacances que ça va être chaud.
>>71221311
Ouais, c'est vraiment étonnant. Déjà de connaître des français qui traînent sur /pol/ c'est rare, alors dans ta fac, la même année d'étude et potentiellement dans ton amphi, c'est vraiment très rare, surtout à Nanterre.
Tu avais les cours de procédure pénale le lundi soir ou je confond avec l'UPA?
>>71211892
I'm an history teacher, come at me
Where is the best party to get out of france for redpilled frenchman?
>>71222663
I meant best country. I'm hungover
>>71222663
Bretagne
>>71222891
Nan I don't like Bretons, usually they're pain in the ass, and they're generally ringard, pour preuve il suffit de regarder Manau et Nolwen Leroy.
>>71221747
Oui, j'avais PP le lundi. Tu étais dans quel groupe de TD ?
>>71222663
Alsace
>>71223060
Corsica
>>71223182
putain 2 polacks qui sont dans la même classe. Quelle est la probabilité?
>>71208069
>when a capitalist country pays for your defense
>when you import enough third-worlders to replace your dying, suicidal population
>>71223182
On n'a pas de TD de procédure en droit éco. Mais du coup oui, on a du être dans le même amphi, le prof était le président de l'UFR c'est bien ça?
>>71223454
Il me semble bien, oui. Je parlais de TD en admin, tu avais l'air de dire que tu avais du contrôle continu dans cette matière.
>>71223554
On ne devait pas avoir le même chargé de TD, il n'y avait que des droit éco dans mon groupe. Le chargé de TD s'appelait Stéphane Hurtado en admin.
>>71220181
>j'aurais pas cru qu'il y avait tant de /pol/acks ici vu la fac de gauchiste
Tu serais étonné mec. L'autre jour un de mes potes noir de la fac m'a avoué qu'il traînait ici ^^
Les temps changent, les gens se droitisent
>>71223763
Bon, on n'était pas dans le même groupe alors.
>>71223793
Quelle fac pour toi ?
>>71223793
Il faut absolument créer le 4chan français, j'y ai longuement pensé mais putain tous les problèmes juridiques que ça poserait.
Quand tu vois le contraste entre la violence des propos ici et les médias français qui font toute une polémique si t'utilises un mot un peu trop "réel" à leur gout. J'imagine la crise cardiaque qu'ils tapent en lisant des "gas the kikes race war now!"
C'est chiant parce que j'aimerais tellement voir des memes à base de tous les persos politiques/culturels en france, ya de quoi faire.
>>71223763
>Le chargé de TD s'appelait Stéphane Hurtado en admin.
Molo sur les noms de famille putain sérieux
>>71206352
I don't know, OP. I sadly don't know.
>>71224012
>Quelle fac pour toi ?
Paris 6
> Il faut absolument créer le 4chan français, j'y ai longuement pensé m
entièrement d'accord. Cable6 et Acrimonie sont dans la veine mais sont assez peu fréquentés. Et sinon, ne me prenez pas pour un kikoo, mais depuis quelques mois le trafic sur le 18-25 a explosé et les délires sont à peu près les mêmes qu'ici...
>>71224018
Il y a deja une imageboard appelé Cable6 c est un bon début mais le site déconne souvent.
>>71224276
Je suis d'accord, mais il faudrait une migration massive, pour l'instant il n'y a pas la masse critique nécessaire. Après c'est faisable
>>71224174
A une époque je trainais sur HFR, j'y ai plus foutu un pied depuis 7-8 ans, j'imagine que c'est PC à mort.
J'ai les capacités, le temps et l'envie de coder un putain de board à la 4chan, mais j'ai juste pas envie de faire d'avoir une amende de 135 000e quoi.
>>71223060
Both are Parisians banking on their origins, Bretagne is based, modern, safe and immigration free. Why do you think so many tourists are coming
>>71224174
Le soucis avec JVcom, c'est la population justement, qui me parait bien plus gamine qu'ici le peu de fois où j'y vais. Et en même temps, le niveau n'est pas non plus toujours glorieux ici.
Sinon il est toujours possible de créer un pol francophone sur 4+4chan non ?
>>71224654
My ex girlfriends from Britain ended up being crazies. Like all women, but I sensed a special kind of craziness with the bretonnes.
>>71224469
>J'ai les capacités, le temps et l'envie de coder un putain de board à la 4chan, mais j'ai juste pas envie de faire d'avoir une amende de 135 000e quoi.
C'est cool d'avoir des gens motivés comme toi. Après il faut se poser la question : est-ce que ce sera utile ? Au final, il y a déjà des forums. C'est pas une mince affaire de faire enfler un nouveau forum...
Après j'y entend rien niveau juridique mais je doute honnêtement que tu risques beaucoup de choses. Et puis si l'idée est de faire un 4chan FR, les posts les plus extrêmes seront noyés dans la masse donc pas de soucis.
>>71208508
>Economics
>a pure science
Sure, buddy, that's why there are multiple solutions to the same problem, right?
If it was a legitimate science, then only one method would work. In reality, you can back up both Keynesianism and the Free Market with mathematical proof.
Economies have grown using both Keynesianism and the Free Market, or a mixed economy.
Examples include National Socialist Germany (short-term as it was), Chile under Pinochet, and European states nowadays.
They are Keynesian, Free Market and Mixed economies, respectively.
>>71206352
>liberte, egalite, Fraternite
250 years of this shit
>>71224697
>Le soucis avec JVcom, c'est la population justement, qui me parait bien plus gamine qu'ici le peu de fois où j'y vais.
oui c'est un peu vrai, mais ça se mature on dirait.
> Sinon il est toujours possible de créer un pol francophone sur 4+4chan non ?
il y en a déjà beaucoup, mais trop peu fréquentés et trop de circlejerk. Il y a notamment tous les nostalgiques d'underfoule qui sont là-bas. Et pui, bon, créer un sous-forum fr d'un forum amerloque, c'est moins bien que créer un forum purement franchouillard
>>71224469
>A une époque je trainais sur HFR, j'y ai plus foutu un pied depuis 7-8 ans
Pareil.
A l'époque c'était MoDem à fond.
>>71206352
welfare is fine if you dont import 3rd worlders
>>71224018
Le 4chan Francais a existé pendant des années, c'etais Underfoule, c'est Mort par manque de frequentation. Je suis sur 4chan depuis des années et ne suis absolument pas de droite alors ne generalise pas
>>71208069
Actually I think this is wrong, socialism degrades the society..
Rent seekers must be punished
>>71224841
Ouais je pense que ce serait MEGA utile. Mais genre limite plus utile que créer un enième parti politique ou je ne sais quelle assoce. Et je suis sérieux.
La guerre actuelle est complètement psychologique et culturelle. La puissance de ce board est immense, j'en veux pour preuve à quel point il m'a redpillé, et je ne suis pas une exception.
On vit ou une époque ou des memes postés sur internet peuvent avoir plus d'influences que plein de stratégies politiques mises en place par des politiciens largués.
Niveau juridique je suis prêt à parier qu'au bout du 3ème post sur la communauté juive t'as la LICRA au cul. Compare les ennuis de Soral/Dieudo et les propos qu'ils ont tenu, avec les propos tenus ici. Dieudo et Soral c'est rien en comparaison.
>>71224018
>Sure, buddy, that's why there are multiple solutions to the same problem, right?
>If it was a legitimate science, then only one method would work. In reality, you can back up both Keynesianism and the Free Market with mathematical proof.
>Economies have grown using both Keynesianism and the Free Market, or a mixed economy.
Effectivement, après deux jours, le site serait déjà fermé et les mecs ayant posté seraient traqués par la police...
>>71208585
>don't come for walfare at all, the
Yes we have 30-50 million mestizo shits who came for gibs
>>71225070
>ne generalise pas
Je pense que notre taiwanais francophone ne veut pas nécessairement un forum de droite, mais un forum avec une vraie liberté d'expression où les délires se font en français...
Les bobos gôchiasses socialopes seront bien sûr acceptés :)
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>>71224997
Après, /pol/ n'est pas si mal si on maîtrise un minimum l'anglais. Reste que parfois (souvent), je me demande si je ne suis pas accidentellement arrivé sur b ou r9k vu le niveau de certains posts.
>>71224018
Hoste le à Taiwan
>>71225207
Google translate is shite.
Can you type that response in English, please?
>>71225361
Underfoule a ete host en Iran a un moment
>>71224697
Le paraplégique n'est pas capable de gérer son site de merde
>>71225310
>Après, /pol/ n'est pas si mal si on maîtrise un minimum l'anglais.
Bah ouais mais même, ce serait tellement mieux en bon françois des familles...
>>71225449
He worries about censorship in France but he's wrong
>>71206352
because you import niggers. Im not joking i saw this black lady on tv and she said she from france im like bitch you from Africa.
Stop importing shitskins and niggers and maybe you guys would be pro freedom again.
After you deport the shits, dont forget to make weapons legal.
>>71225310
>r9k
putain de merde quels cassos ceux-là
>>71225449
He has quote the wrong things i believe, doesn't make any senses
>>71225310
>/pol/
>Différent de /r9k/
Globalement les posters de /pol/ sont les mêmes que ceux qui sont sur /r9k/.
Après, les posts sur /pol/ sont à 90% exagérés, et sans vouloir tomber dans "le /pol/ satyre maymay", la plupart des posters exagèrent pour être edgy et cool.
>>71225508
He failed, he quoted your post but answered to another post.
>>71225305
Tout à fait
Quand tu vois qu'un dessinateur(Zeon) s'est fait embarqué par la police pour un dessin, t'imagines la gueule des mecs quand tu leur sors ta plus belle collection de merchants...
