Socialism vs Capitalism thread
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>>71197380
post moar
>>71197412
rekt
unless you're an ancap you believe in a mixed economy
>>71197380
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOBFMMbUFI8
>>71197449
This
I actually am. I believe in the free market
>>71197449
Last message meant to be replied to you.
>>71197449
Nice slippery slope argument, but does it come with sense?
Just because some authority is necessary doesn't mean all authority is necessary and just because some cases require welfare doesn't mean you can't argue for less of a welfare state, or at least more intelligent government spending.
>>71197703
You said it yourself... Some welfare IS necessary, some authority IS necessary.
>>71197380
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KurgemG4H5c
>>71197464
This was not socialism. It was Gorbachev. If Andropov didn't die then the USSR would have never gone through this.
who /marketsocialist/ here?
>>71197380
Captalism has some flaws but works. Socialism doesn't work at all.
/thread
>>71197873
>market socialism
GTFO
>>71197820
And even there they didn't look that badly off
>>71197703
Everything in power of the government is not in the hands of the market anymore. Regulations, lobbyists, we don't live in capitalism
>>71197924
Where are the flaws
>>71197788
Old man with sign talks better than Ivan
>>71198046
Jews.
>>71197788
Under socialism around 200 Million ppl died. Government kills ppl not the market. His arguments are wrong
>>71197380
>>71197380
This pic doesn't represent socialism, but a particular brans of socialism.
socialism is the state ownership of industry, and its outcome depends on how it is applied.
>>71198212
Image saved
You cuck everyone instead of a few
>>71198218
The outcome of a monopoly is never good in the long run.
>>71198212
Capitalism is voluntary trade. If you think that your boss is giving you not enough money then just change your job.
>>71197492
then you're retarded
I would think a European would know better than anyone that you cant abolish government.
>>71198212
>SOCIALISMO
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shortages_in_Venezuela#List_of_items_affected
>>71198218
Only one possible outcome
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_calculation_problem
>>71197449
Why though? A mixed economy is just inferior capitalism.
>>71198212
But at one even he fished in the river
>>71198364
>work or starve is voluntary
>companies hiring police to enforce their feudal holdings is voluntary
>>71198364
>If you think that your boss is giving you not enough money then just change your job.
This isn't always viable if no employer offers better pay for your line of work, which is most often going to be the case, especially for low-skilled labor.
Who /national socialist/ here?
>>71198212
no, fuck off
>>71198404
Just because I can't enslave me doesn't mean I have to love my slave master
>>71198529
Companies can't hire the police retard
>>71198364
>>71198413
Do you even know who Martin Shkreli is? Thats the bright shining example of Capitalism.
>>71197703
Nigga you just agreed with him
>>71198529
Well great thing is that you don't starve in capitalism. In a free market the amount of jobs are overwhelming like everything in the market without regulation.
>>71198212
>>71198515
Hell you know what it is? It's getting a pole too big to carry on your own after having worked so hard, and asking other people to help you use that pole
THAT'S capitalism
>>71198459
That is a hilariously facile argument.
Sometimes prices only indicate supply. For example, the supply of Crime and Punishment as an e-book is borderline infinite.
Furthermore, there is no barrier for seeing the actual means of production in a physical sense and examining them on the internet, as in a society with no property no one can rightfully kick you off the 'property'.
>>71198508
giving corporations land monopolies is retarded
>>71198554
anarcho capitalism leads back to feudalism through land monopolies.
The freest you will ever be is in a modern state where the government provides public services like roads, infrastructure, defense, education, etc.
>>71198547
No need to be upset, shall I offer you a pill for only 750$?
>>71198601
"Hello, my name is _____ and I have never heard of the Ludlow Massacre, the Haymarket Riot, the Battle of Blair Mountain and the Pullman Strike."
Read a book and get back at me.
>>71198673
I can't handle this level of naivete.
>>71198700
Too bad goods and services and the human needs that make them so are not all virtual and/or infinite
>>71198537
That's why we need capitalism. We need more productivity so we can afford more with the same amount of work. That's only achievable with private companies. Also we need to get rid of the money system which kills our wealth, but that's a bit of another topic.
>>71198604
>Implying Martin Shkreli isn't totally based.
>>71198791
That is true as of 2016. What indication do you have that this will always be the case?
>>71198604
I believe in Austrian school.
>>71198813
I'm sorry, but I don't really understand what you're trying to say. Can you elaborate please?
>>71198545
Just you, you fascist piece of shit.
>>71198840
>aids pill sold for 13$
>buys company
>jacks it up to 750$ cuz no competitors
These people are hanged.
>>71198813
land doesn't get "more productive" you just put up toll booths to price gouge people more
business ownership of everything leads to a toll booth, rent seeking economy
see: modern Mexico's telecom industry, prices are outrageous because everything is owned by a billionaire, Carlos Slim, that price gouges consumers because they have no other options.
>>71198775
If you starve under capitalism, it means that you suck, not capitalism.
>>71198910
Go back to tumblr, liberal.
>>71198849
Well shit negro unless we start eating dead humans and drinking our own piss we'll never make a closed, healthy system of food or water that sustains itself
>>71198858
The Austrian School is naive and silly that ignores land monopolies and rent seeking
see
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryyX8amkFkg
>>71198729
The ' right ' to have something like roads etc also means that you have to steal it from somebody else via taxes and that's not moral.
>>71198759
>Being retarded about the Martin Shkreli case
Ofcourse
>>71198923
>Not knowing anything about the drug or even why he raised prices.
GTFO
>>71198775
Starving was never a problem of capitalism, rather one of the results from government
>>71198929
If a competitor can't start up business then it's not true capitilism and the government corruption is the problem.
>>71198960
Even if that was true, by the way no, that still does not present any evidence that capitalism is voluntary.
>>71198923
>Implying thats bad
>Implying people actually pay that much
Jesus dude learn before you talk
>>71198981
exactly
that means you turned everyone who doesn't own land has no right to even exist.
hence you have created feudalism. Congratulation you just turned back the clock 1000 years in Europe and everyone who doesn't own land is a serf now. Say hello to your noble lord he'll be along later to tax you and fuck your wife.
>>71198972
Read the news. Food is becoming more and more efficient, and there may be a point where we 3D print edibles.
>>71199037
>ignoring the Martin Shkreli case
Typical good goy, have some more capitalism as a reward.
>>71199072
It's impossible to compete with a land monopoly or in this case a public infrastructure monopoly.
>>71198046
Just spitballing here, as I am t. freemarket anon
Goods or services that are priced above what a segment of the population can pay will not be available to them.
To me, that sucks for those individual actors, but isn't a flaw in the market. That's price and supply and demand doing exactly what they're supposed to, but I think it's a likely criticism should a liberal; socialist; non-economist be able to articulate it.
It's a sort of appeal to feels.
>>71198923
There are competitors now and the company was selling it at a loss before he bought it up.
>>71198729
If the government provides education, you will never be free. Because they'll push whatever agenda they have in the education system so that you'll probably never even learn what freedom is like.
Enjoy your feminist education, being taught to serve the state and women while sacrificing your own happiness.
>>71199133
Are you fucking retarded? Where did I say ignore?
>>71198929
Yes, why is he having so big prices ? Because he is a monopoly. That's not market there. That was the government who gave him the monopoly. That's an example why we need market.
>>71199133
>two wrongs make a right
I'd rather have somewhat expensive AIDS pills than starve.
>>71198923
do even the tiniest amount of research and you'll see you're wrong.
>>71199161
That's more of a globalist problem than one of govenrment
>>71199186
you cant compete with a land monopoly
>>71199068
Bengal Famine, Potato famine. Any time there is an increase in price, which is often from natural or outside causes, some people will be priced out of the good, which in this case is food.
>>71199177
Are you implying that such a case is impossible to re-appear?
Because its going to be sooner than you think.
>>71199112
Seriously? Fucking atomization. How could anyone have any morale in a society where you eat shit that has never been alive in some form or another
>>71199080
Where is it not voluntary? How can for example wal-mart force you to buy their products?
>>71199239
What the hell do you think the globalists are trying to achieve? A bigger and more powerful government.
Are you really trying to imply that the globalists are the only people smart enough to figure out that you can use the public education system to create obedient slaves?
Because they aren't. Even the Christians and Muslims know that, and Muslims average around an IQ of 80.
>>71199278
I'm implying he didn't do anything wrong or immoral
>>71199088
If you don't own a land just go ahead, work and buy one. You don't have the right to steal it from someone else
>>71199337
>Christians
>inb4 muh Reformation
Do you mean the Catholic church?
>>71199337
A nationalist government wouldn't provide such terrible destructive education for obvious reasons.
>>71199355
>didnt do anything wrong or immoral
jesus
>>71199324
Walmart pays low wages, and concomitantly has low prices. Someone with low income literally does not have any other options if they have the lowest prices in a given area as long as people require food.
We still have not solved the more global problem, which is work for the bourgeois petty or otherwise, or starve.
>>71199376
>work and buy one
yes work on land and save to afford things.
oh wait the wages are going to be shit because all the land owners have monopolies and don't have to pay you anything beyond the subsistence level so you can survive in perpetual serfdom.
congrats you're now a perpetual slave because we have returned to feudalism. Boy anarcho-capitalism sure is fun huh? How are ancaps this autistic and shortsighted?
If we're talking about going back into the Stone Age with socialism we might as well throw Catholicism back into the mix so the mass populace doesn't kill themselves
>>71199137
Yes but just with capitalism you can effort goods/services who are normally overpriced. The market always try to reach as many customers as possible and with competition everything gets more efficient. Productivity leads to everything being more cheaper wouldn't there be this shitty money system from the government everything would be around 6 times cheaper
>>71199407
Not an argument
>>71199239
Land monopoly given by who ? The government.
who /nationalcapitalist/ here?
>>71198910
>Russians still instinctively call people fascist as if they themselves are not in fact the most evil people that ever lived
Thats cute
>2016
>Defining everything on monetary terms
You people, you people...
>>71199241
If you don't like that something gets more expensive just stop buying there
>>71199591
the owner of the property
i.e. your new feudal landlord
>>71199405
Why not? That's like saying life only exists on earth. You have no way of confirming that for a fact. Nationalism like any tribal identity can be subverted and changed to mean whatever the fuck you want. Maybe nationalism means that you watch while a nigger fucks your wife. How about that? Subverted your shit. Do it for the good of the nation and the proletariat.
>>71199396
I don't give a shit what church it is. If Christians want to indoctrinate people into their belief, they know that they can use Christian schools. There is a reason why some fundies are pushing for creationism in school.
>>71199627
The world is a business.
>>71197380
Is that a jew cutting the ladder in half?
>>71199636
>if you can't afford something stop buying it
I'm convinced you're autistic
according to studies libertarianism correlates with autism
http://reason.com/blog/2011/07/20/being-libertarian-may-cause-au
>>71199501
Yes and again, that's why we need capitalism, not government to solve that. In Capitalism there is competition in everything, also in wages and workers. In a free market there are more jobs than workers so they have to compete. That's great for the working class.
>>71199636
Neat, so how do I stop buying food?
>>71199672
Can you give me any evidence of nationalist governments teaching purposefully self destructive ideologies?
>>71199505
So you are against monopolies but want a government, who is also a monopoly? What's your argument? I don't want a monopoly who is giving shitty wages, that's the reason why we need capitalism
>>71199672
Talking like this gets into a historical and philosophical issue that >>71199627 kind of touches on
The West embraced the Enlightenment and the Enlightenment was bad for society because all we turned into were animals, and the human-nature-divine relationship was destroyed. I would imagine that a socialist state having been untouched by Enlightenment philosophy would actually work. But that would essentially be a theocracy like Egypt was
>>71199636
>>71199769
So is that why half of america is filled with obese meatballs on motorized wheels eating processed cheese 24/7 because they cant afford quality food since its getting expensive?
>>71199724
Not pictures, the Jew coming back later to convince both groups to help HIM get to the top, so he can help them up. Only to take the entire ladder with him.
>>71199769
...are you suggesting the government is benefiting Walmart in any way shape or form? What possible capitalistic solution could there be to get a job or die?
And how the hell is competition good for the working class? It implies a sort of race to the bottom, where only the poorest work as the bourgeois want to pay the least.
>>71199897
Most of it is time constraint desu
>>71199783
Great thing we have companies competing with each other.
>>71199860
no government is more oppressive than the feudalism that Anarcho capitalists desire
>>71199923
Making a sandvich for work or a trip dosnt take that long.
>>71199897
They can do whatever they want to. You are not the one forcing them what to eat. And well I rather be that fat by choice than starving to death in socialism
Everyone, from multinational corporations down to elementary school classes, hold that democracy and cooperation yields the best and most agreeable decisions. Every Fortune 500 company has a board of directors who vote just as every middle school class votes for a class president.
If we hold that groups make better decisions, why would we not hold the same thing to be true for allocation, or rather elimination, or property?
>>71198212
This is so wrong...
The real one would be a guy on the right lending a guy on the left a good fishing pole and taking few fishes for that...
>>71199919
If they compete for workers they have to compete in wages to get the workers. If one resource gets limited it gets more expensive and so does the worker
>>71200020
There is no force in our system
>>71200081
>elimination of property
that failed already
back to 1917, Lenin
>>71199943
Maybe you would be better off on an exclusively German speaking board, as it is clear your comprehension of the English language is exiguous.
Buy something or starve is not an ideology, it is a threat.
>>71200195
At no point did the Soviet Union abolish property.
Back to elementary school, retard.
>>71200165
There is since the land owner (feudal lord ) can do whatever he wants to the peasants (serfs) since they are trespassing on his land by living.
>>71200051
>have a choice
>rather be fat
So what other choice than not being able to afford good food is there other than starve?
Also I'd rather be able to see my dick and not rely on a crane to get out of bed.
>>71198545
I'd say I am. What are some of the negative connotations about /natso/
>>71199407
He knows that it's the only pill on the market and he increased it's price to make a profit, the fuck is your problem here?
Isn't your butt just hurting a little because you didn't think of it first? If people have problem with its price they can always make their own drug (not like EVERY SINGLE PERSON that need the drug HAVE a way to get it or something...)
>>71200200
If you can't buy something it is because you have a low IQ and suck.
>>71199797
No, I can't. I don't even know any actual nationalist government that didn't end up self-destructing in a war and at the same time had public education.
USA is nationalist or at least it used to be. Got your shit subverted and now you're teaching feminism and blind obedience to the state to school children thanks to common core.
Maybe you don't consider that destructive ideology or maybe you don't consider USA nationalist, but that's all a grey are because the point is that no matter how nationalist you are your shit will get subverted by the public education system over decades and then you'll be crying "not real nationalism waah".
The only way to counteract it is to do what Soviet Union did. Fucking thought police and no trial executions of dissidents. The second they stopped doing it, their thing collapsed in on itself.
>>71199875
Define "would work". North Korea "works". Do I want to live there? No.
>>71200238
Lenin tried a trial balloon at first by abolishing money
it failed within months. They Bolshevik party stole millions of pounds of grain from the peasants so it could be put in "common ownership" starving hundreds of thousands to death.
honestly anyone who still supports communism/anarchism should just die and save everyone else the trouble.
>>71200200
Well you may be true with my English skills. It's socialism who let's you starve if you don't buy anything, because of a monopoly and non existent companies competing with it.
>>71200274
>thinking making an affordable product only available for the 1% is good
>>71200313
>USA is nationalist
kek maybe before WW2
>>71200245
These mental gymnastics are all done by ignoring the large amount of diet and food choices (thanks capitalism)
>>71200241
If the land owner makes stupid laws that you don't like just leave and look for a better one. That's great in capitalism that you have a choice. In socialism you don't.
The greatest lie ever sold to us has been unfettered capitalism. The idea that we can all be successful, autonomous, and happy. These are mutually incompatible by necessity. The very idea of "society" entails a kind of socialism; entering into a "social contract." There is a reason why we choose to organize our selves in groups, in villages, in towns, in companies, in cities, in states, in countries. We need to be with other people. That's why we're all on 4chan; that's why we're on /pol/, discussing our ideas. Socialism is a core value that we all posses - it's the essence of friendships, and family. A society in which we try to treat all citizens as our friends would go a long ways to accomplishing great things. A society in which competition and success are what's held in value yields millionaires, and billionaires, but also results in inequality, poverty, war, and ultimately destruction of the environment -- our home. We all know socialism is the truth, which is why the cynics among us call it idealistic - even utopic, to consider living in a socialist society. But it's not impossible. Various countries have pulled it off, with some compromises.
>>71200472
>just leave your feudal landlord and be a serf under another feudal landlord
yeah that's a great solution, Hans
>>71200385
>not like EVERY SINGLE PERSON that need the drug HAVE a way to get it or something...
That is why he said you are ignorant of his case you moron.
If have insurance it's not you paying for the drug it's your insurance company, if you are not insured they send you the drug for free.
Do your research you dipshit.
>>71200245
Who is not able to afford good food ? The capitalists or the socialists ?
>>71198212
>Crony cappitalism.
>>71198910
kek
>>71198759
Yeah, and your insurance companies pay for it.
What's so wrong with making a profit when you can? The price increase won't stop anyone from getting their aids pill.
Coincidentally, this also means they can hire more people to do more research and develop better and new cures for diseases and such.
>>71199501
Wal-Mart is literally propped up by the government through welfare. We have a welfare state. This is what fucking happens. Its government interference that created the television cartel system, the automotive cartel system, and the modern system that allows corporations to function by abusing low skill low level workers. You are literally arguing in favor of capitalism and trying to pass it off as something else. Go to hell.
>>71200437
Well there you go. Nationalism is gone. Poof. Self destructive ideologies are in. If nationalism is transitional, then you can't really use it as a justification for a essentially permanent system.
>>71200525
Why are you even talking about landlords ? Who from us is even living under a landlord today besides the government?
>>71199505
Seeing as our government has allowed every abuse by corporations and in fact supports many of them, propping them up with welfare taken from the workers pockets, I have to assume you're an idiot. And shut the fuck up with your circular Marxist rhetoric, I've read Das Kapitol too and it isn't convincing.
>>71200508
>this person irl
>>71200534
Socialists are more liable to afford decent food since the govorment sets the prices according to their wealth.
While low wage capitalists rely on cheap unhealthy food since the company dosnt care what they make.
>>71200526
>thinks they actually get it for free
Go away berny fag.
>>71200783
Tbh, healthy food here is actually cheaper. I don't understand this lie.
>>71200783
That's the reason why Ukraine starved to death back then, because socialism gave them good food ?
>>71200865
Youre the first american I see stating this.
>>71200783
>>thinks they actually get it for free
No, it's not what i think, i'am stating a fact you idiot
https://youtu.be/sujUcSEwzhs Educate yourself
>>71199137
That's just the inherent scarcity of resources anon. All resources are finite, thus there will always be a limit. Take the housing market pre-crash. There were expensive houses, and many people couldn't afford them. Gov stepped in and said "hey, give those people better loans so they can buy houses too".
Didn't work out too well, nobody seemed to question the fact that there were fewer desirable homes than there were interested people, and no amount of money lending could change that fundamental fact.
There is only X amount of anything, until a product has reached enough X to satisy demand, prices will rise as the item, in capitalism, is allocated to the highest bidder. Luckily, high bidders tend to be the most efficient with resources, thus the economy grows. In socialism, X is ignored, and promised to everyone, leading to inexplicable shortages.
>>71200910
That's because everyone here is a lazy shit who doesn't want to cook or they think they deserve the finest imported organic foods to go with their drug and smoking habits. People here spend a fucking fortune on alcohol and drugs, alcohol is honestly the big waste of their money. The food is cheap, it's good, and we have insanely cheap raw ingredients, basically were lazy and weak and I hope this generation suffers for it.
>>71200865
They use the excuse of cheap fast food to compensate for their lack of knowledge regarding healthy food.
In the internet age, there is no excuse for not pursuing your own knowledge regarding these things. Instead, these people want a nanny state to tell them what is healthy, subsidize it; and then probably get a KFC bucket anyway.
It's all nothing more than another instance of the masses shirking personal responsibility. That's why they're drawn to Socialism and Socialist policies; it is the promise of the eternal nanny.
>>71200783
If the food is shit, people will stop buying the food. Why wouldn't companies under capitalist rule make healthy food? If you've got competing companies, generally the one with the better, healthier food is the winner.
>>71201049
Also our portions. Most people here eat a 3k plus calorie diet. My friends eat what I eat in a day in one meal and then wonder why they need to spend 10 hours a week at the gym to not be fat as fuck.
>>71200664
>Why are you even talking about landlords
Because that's actually important
>>71200739
But you still have some rights
under anarcho capitalism you have no rights
>>71200661
I'm not sure what your point it. Globalism won WW2 so of course everyone became a globalist.
>>71200783
>cheap, unhealthy food
speaking as a poorfag this is absolute bollocks. you can have a reasonably healthy diet eating only the cheapest food, unless you're a lazy impulsive fuck.
>>71201073
That looks mighty tasty.
>>71200899
Being a former communist state has something to do with it dont you think?
Still dosnt make an obese nation with a privately owned fastfood around every corner a preferable option.
>>71198923
>supplying people with free drugs and trying to improve a really bad drug is bad because ...uh..umm
Fuck off, retard.
>>71201073
Thank you!! We have essentially no person responsibility anymore and it's destroying us.
>>71201049
>That's because everyone here is a lazy shit who doesn't want to cook or they think they deserve the finest imported organic foods to go with their drug and smoking habits. People here spend a fucking fortune on alcohol and drugs, alcohol is honestly the big waste of their money. The food is cheap, it's good, and we have insanely cheap raw ingredients, basically were lazy and weak and I hope this generation suffers for it.
Holy shit, stop projecting your problems onto the rest of the population.
A very small minority of the US is addicted to physically addicting recreational drugs, smoking rates have been going down for years.
Healthy food being cheaper or not depends entirely on where you live in the US. How close you are to where the food is produced, taxes in your area, etc.
>>71198759
>>71198212
It's called "rent-seeking" you faggot, and it's much, much worse under socialism, where you have no alternatives to turn to.
>>71200313
hey whatever happened to brushposter? did he get sent to the gulag? i hope the fluoridated water is enough for his dental hygiene...
>>71198929
Mexico is an example of capitalism now?
>calling liberals left
I will never get America
>>71201151
What rights do I have? To rent land from the state? If I don't pay my rent (property tax) I lose it. I can't drive without paying my yearly driving fees to the state. I can't write or speak freely because It's hate speech and will upset the welfare voting block. I can't own my gun without being listed as owning it and PAYING for the privilege to have them list it. All of our utilities are monopolies that have no responsibility to the citizens, my water from the tap is undrinkable and I literally have to go buy acceptable water from the free market. You're an idiot who doesn't understand how stupid the system you've been indoctrinated into is. (remember that mandatory 13 years of state indoctrination that taught you nothing useful?)
>>71201368
It's an example of what anarcho capitalism will look like.
Land monopolies lead to price gouging.
>>71201173
Pickled walnuts lad, try 'em.
>>71201202
Sad but true, m8. Socialists hate personal responsibility more than anything else; they want to infantalize the populations of whatever nations they're in.
I'm not a free market capitalist by any means; but at least capitalism tells people to pull themselves up by their bootstrings.
>>71201409
They are nowadays. Democrats/etc ceased to meaningfully Libertarian/Classical Liberal long ago.
>>71201189
?
>>71201271
There might never have been alternetives, but such cases are unheard of here.
>>71201420
The state provides good and services for taxes
under an anarcho capitlaist system you get to be a debt slave with no good or services provided at all because you live in feudalist land monopoly state. Have fun in your life of serfdom and debt peonage.
>>71201409
It's more a case of calling the left liberals.
>>71201253
>taxes on your area
We have an insane smoking rate and alcohol consumption rate, and our drug problem is still insane. If you think otherwise you probably don't go outside enough, or you didn't grow up poor and have no clue what being poor is like in this country.
>>71198923
>drug only helps a very small portion of the population
>drug makes no fucking money
>drug is slowly becoming ineffective
>raise price to pay for R&D, as well as profits to keep the company afloat (spoiler, the company didn't make profit)
>insurance pays the $750, it's fucking nothing compared to other medical costs
>people that can't afford it just get it for free
So evil.
>>71201510
Explain how giving drugs away for free while trying to improve them is bad.
You're a fucking idiot.
>>71201546
What goods? A failing education system? A failing infastructure? Useless water? The state takes my money to blow up Muslims for oil, don't make it sound like they do much else than that.
>>71201546
If you are a debt "slave," its because you suck at saving money and paying down debt, not because "capitalism is evil, man!"
>>71201661
One of the highest human development index rates in the world
>>71201766
So capitalism worked.
>>71201766
And even with all that government spending we still have some of the highest economic freedom index ratings in the world
Ironically a few "socialist" countries have even freer markets.
>>71201766
Also, why does that list look like the list of countries with the highest percentage of antidepressant users?
>>71201806
The mixed economy worked. No one argues that the US is pure capitalism it is a mixed system where the market is some what free but the government still provides basic infrastructure at a low cost to the general populace by spreading out the tax burden.
>>71201866
rich white/asian people can afford to have mental problems
>>71197380
Yeah because you need to hoard 100 billion dollars in order to do anything.
Dumb cuck.
>>71201271
>According to this chart, there are literally as many rich people being corrupt and predatory as there are homeless and penniless people.
>>71201976
Our infrastructure is failing. That is a fact. I'm glad you live in an area with a high enough property tax to avoid this though. You keep selling this notion that the state does any good here, and they don't. I'm guessing you live in a city, not out in the sticks, so you will never see the negative impact of this when the state abandons you because your area doesn't produce enough in taxes. You've also avoid the issue of the state owning everything in this country, you pay taxes to get a right to do anything. If it's going to be like this I say put the church in charge, I'd rather get my rights from God than the government anyway.
>>71197380
Collectivised means of production means that both can take their turn to use the People's ladder.
>>71202183
Who goes first?
>>71202218
The one who hasnt really been tried.
>>71202146
mainly because idiots that believe in "small government" have slashed public infrastructure spending. What did you think would happen?
Today government money is spent on either healthcare or welfare.
>>71198046
>Where are the flaws
People are greedy by nature
>>71197380
Capitalism: We have the ability to feed everyone, but we don't.
How much of a pathetic bootlicker do you have to be to unironically identify as a "capitalist" lol.
>>71202358
>Capitalism: We have the ability to feed everyone, but we don't because then we'd go out of business and we'd feed no one.
>>71197380
>>71202050
What is I hold you that the left can not fix billionaires without destroying all the rest of us?
>>71202358
get back in the bread line, Trotsky
>>71202453
Get back in the wellfare line, Tyrone.
:^)
>>71202286
Or the idiots who advocate big government can't deliver on their promises and tend to focus all the infastructure in areas that give higher tax rates. It isn't hard to understand, it's why public schools in rich areas are better than in poor, the money doesn't move too far. Anyway, you seem like an idiot, a well spoken and possibly intelligent idiot, but an idiot regardless. Keep looking at graphs instead of your community and have fun.
>>71202518
>capitalism
you mean globalism?
>>71198046
>in the country you replied to
>>71198046
Volatility
>>71202532
>cut government budget
>hurr government can't deliver
>>71202518
Bottom's socialism, it's taking from the many to give to the "poor", many of whom are just lazy.
>>71202576
Both make me sick.
>Post yfw a socialist grasps at straws and says this isn't true socialism
>>71202617
Thats why we need private roads.
>>71202518
Those are NigNogs that refuse to work you idiot
>>71202647
what's wrong with capitalism?
>>71202617
>Implying it ever delivered or even should.
>Argues about rights and then ignores any argument that shows his tax happy utopia is a spastic mess
>Argues about corporate greed and ignores the state propping these systems up
Fuck off, Marx.
>>71202757
>private roads
now you get to be price gouged by a land monopoly for eternity.
>>71198604
>Goverment patents aka monopoly licences are a result of the market.
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>>71202800
The state already has a land monopoly in this country you fucking rhetoric spouting freak. God damn. I didn't think a human could be this thick, but I guess that's the quality of The People's 13 Year Education Plan.
>>71202794
>Implying it ever delivered or even should.
Other than all the wonderful infrastructure built from the 40s-60s some of which is still in use even to this day.
>Marx
kek. I'm the one promoting capitalism
You're the one supporting bringing back feudalism.
>>71197380
>mfw he doesn't want a $1,000,000 an hour minimus wage and everything for free
Just donated my fafsa loan to sanders, somebody match me
>>71202762
Is it a line? Its a line :^)
>>71202763
Inequality of wealth, monopoly power, boom and bust cycles etc.
>>71202886
you're assuming equality of wealth is good.
>>71202874
>The state already has a land monopoly in this country you fucking rhetoric spouting freak
which is why it's obligated to provide public goods, services, and infrastructure to the people
>>71202880
I'm gonna go jerk off now. I just wanted you to know that sometime in the next half hour, while you're eating, or typing away, or perhaps even sleeping that in a sleepy little part of Idaho I'm blowing my load.
>>71197380
>the ladder won't reach to the top anyway
yay for capitalism
>>71202886
those can all be improved through a proper "mixed economy"
>>71202932
There needs to be a point where the minimum wealth allows for a humane way of living.
>>71202961
>Idaho
no wonder you live in a fantasy land
>>71202886
Whats wrong with inequality of wealth? The ideal that people should be economically equal is an infantile and retarded delusion
>>71198929
Modern Mexico is not an example of a free market idiot. Hell Somalia has no regulations in the telecom area and has one it has the lowest prices of Africa
>inb4 go to Somalia lolbertarian XD
Somalia has improved a lot since the commie goverment felt, they are shit,because they have always been shit.
What's the alternative to Capitalism/ Socialism?
>>71203120
mixed economy
>>71203030
I actually moved here intentionally from Portland Oregon. Though I did grow up in Portland's subsidized section 8 housing, so I actually understand the poor in this country and how little the state helps them and how so much of what it does helps them. Keep having fun with your fantasy that being a slave of the state makes your life better, Comrade Dipshit.
>>71203218
*hurts them
Wrote this with dick in hand.
can't we simply agree to kill all ancaps and communists?
>>71203066
There wouldnt be anything wrong with it if the gabs werent as big as the grand canyon.
>>71203112
>Modern Mexico is not an example of a free market idiot.
It's an example of what land monopolies look like
If a business has a land monopoly (example: a road) they can price gouge whatever they want especially in anarcho capitalist utopia where literally everything is owned privately.
You are handing the world to billionaires on a silver platter.
>>71203218
>the modern US government doesn't help poor whites
yes we're all aware of that by now. But that's not an argument that it "shouldn't"
>>71199505
>murrica in 50 years
>>71197464
its called communism + a planned economy dumbass, thinking that electing a president will somehow completely overturn the free market is retarded beyond even /pol/
>>71201546
You really dont know what you are talking about arent you? Why are you assuming that there would be land monopolies, or monopolies for that matter? Do you have any hard evidence on this,other than your retarded logic?
You have to spend money on the society itself if you want to make the society better.
Outside of 101 teenage edginess of "I DON'T WANT TO SUPPORT SOMETHING I DON'T USE!", there is not much to say.
>>71203472
Thats a double edged sword, can you prove there wont be?
>>71203425
but not beyond burgers
Anyone who cant acknowledge that socialism capitalism, etc have inherent flaws that need to be mitigated with methods outside of those respective ideologies is a fucking retard.
>>71203338
Are you retarded? Has Somalia telecom monopolies? Because I am sure as hell that people bring that country in every libertarian discussion. You are just falling for lame memes. The evidence shows that you know nothing. Mexico is an example of the goverment otorguing priviledges to one company.
>>71203572
You people bring Somalia all the fucking tine,and it hasnt happen there, in fact they have the best telecom services and prices in Africa.
>>71203472
>Why are you assuming that there would be land monopolies,
That's how property works if it's private. Business owning property maximizes profits which means if it has a monopoly it's going to be increasing fees of use to the maximum possible i.e. price gouging.
The prices charged for private land use (since they are a monopoly) will be so high that people will only be able to survive on a subsistence basis, that is you are essentially bringing back aristocracy and serfdom systems of bondage that Europeans fought for centuries to end.
This is actually the basic theory under capitalism that 'you' don't seem to understand.
>>71203338
Never said I was white, faggot. Nice try though.
They don't help poor blacks in anyway. In fact. Through welfare they've put them into a slave state where gang violence is insanely prevalent. Maybe. Just maybe. Instead of stealing from people who produce and using it to subsidize your voters you gave everyone the skills to develop something useful and didn't prop up worthless corporations.
>You argue land slavery as though it isn't a thing.
>You argue government intervention even after seeing its more negative than positive.
>You never address an issue that doesn't have a globalist answer.
>You actually use ad hominem as your whole argument at point
>Still haven't cum.
>>71203707
>Has Somalia telecom monopolies?
Somalia doesn't have much of anything
It's full of niggers.
>>71203788
>Never said I was white, faggot. Nice try though.
very few non whites care enough about economics to have strong autistic libertarian viewpoints
>don't help poor blacks in anyway.
They do help poor blacks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLTTX35LNJo
>Through welfare they've put them into a slave state
blacks don't care
>You argue government intervention even after seeing its more negative than positive.
I can't think of any proof or evidence of this beyond libertarian assertions backed by nothing.
>>71203785
Any proof? Because it has never happened. The biggest land owners in the world are the goverments. The wealthiest people own less than 1% of the world's land. The biggest properties owners after the state are middle class.
>>71204161
Any proof?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feudalism
>>71203819
>Brings evidence
>Doesnt count niggers XDDDD,but if you defend libertarianism I would bring those niggers as an example XDDDDD
>>71202751
>>71204210
Lol you are dense. Do you kmow why feudalism happened? Pro tip,it had to do with the Roman empire screwing up the economy with gibs me dats,forcing the popullation to go and work for some landlords, which aquired the land as a concession of the empire. Feudalism is just the result of the goverment screwing up the economy
>Assault weapons are bad
>If you don't pay "x" tax for to pay for "x" program the the government we will get people with real assault weapons to come to your door
Leftists can suck a cock
>>71204234
Somalians barely have the concept of ownership beyond "OOGA BOOGA GIBS ME DAT" so I never re fence them.
you're the one that brought Somalia up not me.
>>71204379
The Romans had a system of the wealthy owning land monopolies and impoverishing the working class as well, it lead to the collapse of the empire.
Caesar was actually trying to stop them.
>>71204009
>Don't respect you
>Not gonna watch that video
>Still jackin it
>You clearly don't understand what you're arguing
>Typical socialist trash
>I have literally no doubt that I am more intelligent than you
>Still jackin it, gonna switch vids soon, I'll find one with your mom
>You actually think the government does the things it propagandas that it does
>>71198212
Looks like taxation.
>Feudalism
>Bad
