Wow, how can gunfags ever recover from this?
I don't expect free guns from the government
>>71137896
I don't see universal healthcare in the constitution.
>occupy democrats
>>71137974
/thread
I want free guns and I want them now.
>>71137974
FPBP
>>71137974
Holy fuck, how can first post be best post this consistently
When do i get my taxpayer subsidized guns?
Do liberals need to read the constitution? It clearly says that guns are a right and doesn't say health care is.
>>71137896
Muhammed can shoot you and you wont need healthcare
>>71137896
Nothing in the constitution about the government needing to raise your taxes to pay for unhealthy poorfags
>>71137896
>if you think the right to protect your own life is more important than enabling lardbuckets to run to the doctore every time their ankle hurts, you're what's wrong with America
Just kill me famlilia
>OccupyDemocrats
Into the trash it goes
>>71137896
>guns
>a human right
you're an idoit. the constitution doesn't set out a series of "human rights". the rights the constitution grants are not universal human rights. they are rights granted to american citizens.
why can't leftists read?
>>71137896
You buy guns moron so buy healthcare RETARD!
While I do believe healthcare is a right, morally, making it a right legally is what kills thousands in my country who's free healthcare is shit Because it's free.
>>71137896
>Ban guns
>Get shot anyway
>>71137974
FPBP
>>71138412
>people should have to pay to save their lives because they have to pay to buy guns
gypsy
>>71137896
>assault weapons
I don't think this means what they think this means.
>>71138600
>people should have to pay for goods and services
What an idea.
>>71138690
>healthcare = goods and services
lol conservashit
Guns are objects you may possess.
Healthcare is a vast series of services that requires licensed professionals and costly equipment. You should be required to provide fair compensation to those with the time and resources to administer it.
/thread
BTFO
how will you recover?
well /pol/?
etc.
>>71138427
This.
Our system is fucking horrible. It costs a fortune for piss poor care.
>>71138776
What is healthcare then if not a good or a service?
>>71137896
I think the right to self defense is a human right. What you utilize is the tool.
>>71138860
here, the bottom 5% of tax payers abuse 85% of the healthcare system (mostly immigrants and white trash).
I wonder how this is fair.
>>71138983
a human right, duh
>>71139119
Does it cost money to provide? Should doctors be enslaved?
>>71139119
ok you can give yourself all the healthcare you want
>>71137896
>"the right of the people to get free shit at the taxpayers expense shall not be infringed"
nope - not seeing that anywhere but 4chan libcuck OP threads
>>71139215
>free healthcare means enslaved doctors
nice slippery slope fallacy
Here, watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUXwDMqjC-A
>>71139076
This. You compare an individual's means of self-defense to a government providing services. It's apples and oranges.
>>71137896
If you'd like the federal government to be more involved in your daily life, then you're what's wrong with America.. One of the root things Americans take pride in is self-reliance. There are a hell of a lot of people here who would prefer to be able to protect themselves over trusting the government to care for their sickness or pretty much anything.
>>71139450
>One of the root things Americans take pride in is self-reliance.
nice generalizations, retard
projecting your own feelings onto an entire culture is extremely problematic
>>71138207
no, it says, "the right to bear ARMS", any old weapon is covered by the 2nd.
>>71137896
>recover
Nothing to recover from when you don't give a shit about the opposition and haven't lost a major fight in better than two decades.
This isn't a discussion, a negotiation, or democracy. This is a large group of highly focused adults putting their time and money into a carefully orchestrated strategy opposed by people who don't care further than whinging on twitter when the news cycle is right.
Go ahead, keep thinking we're a bunch of poorly educated Duck Dynasty lookalikes in Real Tree. Keep tilting at assault weapons. Keep overreaching in your safe spaces so we can make runs at the Circuits. Keep promising things you can't deliver so we can fundraise and mobilize.
>>71139651
You should take a look at what kind of weapons were around when the bill of rights were enacted. You can have all the assault muskets you want but you are not entitled to an AR-15
>>71139564
I'm not generalizing. You are, if anything. In all the states I've been, most people express contempt at the idea of taking handouts when they're in a jam. It's not just today though, you can look at literally anytime in American history for proof.
>mfw OP dies because he's poor
just replace "assault weapons" with "defending your own life" and realize this sentence is bullshit.
>>71139837
>anecdotal evidence
wow, conservashits are this stupid
>>71139763
Compare the Kentucky Long Rifle or the Girandoni to the muskets the Red Coats were carrying. Or compare the internet to a broadsheet.
Or, you know, keep up with the argument you're already making. Its worked pretty well for us so far. I can only imagine what it would do if Thomas got his hands on it and started citing Miller.
>>71139371
No. Fuck off commie.
>>71139955
What's your counter argument, friend? Have you looked through history and proven that Americans don't value self-reliance?
>>71139988
>>71139715
>mfw Hillary appoints a bunch of liberal supreme court justices and repeals the Second Amendment
>>71139763
if you want to go back to leeching I'll go back to muskets
>>71137974
Op btfo. How can he ever recover?
>>71139371
> Hurr Durr let's have a philosophical discussion about something
> Takes every philosophical point of the opposition literally
Liberals, everybody.
>>71140120
>Civil War, the self reliant ones lost
>World War I
>World War II
>1950s-60s
America's greatest achievements have been collective. Modern individualism is a result of the 1965-8 destruction of American society by hippies and individualist leftists who looked out only for themselves and their feelings.
>>71137974
Just bought another gun. No government assistance.
>>71140301
> Implying former hippies aren't the same people demanding free healthcare and banning guys
>>71140450
Guns*
>>71140450
Hippies are individualist and are responsible for the decollectivization of American society. They enabled the continued oppression of the proletariat through dividing them.
Divide et impera in action.
>>71137896
how about if you think being able to defend yourself to the best of your abilities is a human right, but that having somebody take care of you is not?
>>71140134
Hillary might not be pro guns, but she's a statist. She won't nominate anyone who is going to fuck with stare decisis. Thats especially true given how much precedent has been built up as a result of Heller and McDonald. You're also not understanding that SCOTUS only takes the cases that come. Theres no court challenge to laws we like, only to ones we don't. We get to choose time and place, we get to withdraw whenever. At best you hold the line for a generation and nothing happens at the federal level for a couple of decades.
Which, you know, is exactly the scenario that lead to the proliferation of shall issue, open carry, no duty to warn, and NFA items.
You're imagining a total victory, we've been fighting an incremental battle in 50 state legislatures, holding a stalemate in Washington, and slowly moving through the courts. Know what happens when 45 states do something one way and 5 do it another? Know what happens when things become normalized?
>>71140301
You haven't proven anything though. You haven't demonstrated that self-reliance (or individualism) isn't valuable in America, you've just demonstrated that Americans can and have been a collective force in the past.
>Civil War, the self-reliant ones lost
Actually, the Confederates weren't inherently more self-reliant. Both had armies with trained leaders and very similar policies. If anything, the Union was the self-reliant one, given that Great Britain had helped the Confederacy, albeit in peaceful ways.
>>71139371
>nice slippery slope fallacy
How is that a fallacy? It's the long-term consequence of that position. Like Rand says: "it's not an abstraction".
Socialists only speak in utopian make-belief abstractions.
>>71140624
>You haven't proven anything though.
Neither have you
The Confederacy was self-reliant because they made the decision to tell the Union to go fuck themselves and were about state's rights rather than federal overreach.
>>71141004
>Neither have you.
Way to completely ignore everything I said. :^)
Except the confederacy had its own federal government too and, during its short time, used its power just as much. In theory, the Confederacy should have been more self-reliant, but in practice, it was pretty much the same as the Union at the time.
>>71137974
First post best post
>>71137974
>>71138387
the constitution does not actually grant us our rights, it simply affirms that we have them from birth naturally my maplenigger friend.
>Reads constitution
Yeah, I don't see healthcare anywhere
>>71141337
>the confederacy had its own federal government too
That's why it's a "confederacy". It doesn't mean the individual states aren't more or less independent. Look up the difference between a confederacy and a union. Also: not true that they were "the same as the Union". The fact that no one even knows the name of the Confederacy president(s) shows you that.
Now tell me: how many people in America know the name of your current president?
>>71141595
>anti-Semitic propaganda
opinion discarded
>>71141665
>>71137896
Your silly facebook memes have no affect on the real world.
There is nothing to recover from.
>>71137896
You don't have a 'right' so someone else's labor. Yes, back in the 1800s you might have, but slavery is illegal today.
both are
>>71141665
found the kike
Is this the line to get the free guns?
>>71137896
Weopon control has, without fail, been the precursor to facism and mass murder through
>>71138387
>the rights the constitution grants
The Constitution doesn't "grant" anything.
Those rights? They're given by God. The Constitution only enumerates them.
>tabarnak de maudit fuille
>>71146043
Technically, they're given by "The Creator," because the US government does not officially endorse or decry any religion, but we all know which Creator they meant.
>>71137896
> tfw no free assault weapons from the fed
Why am I not swiss ?
I can vaguely remember Bill Maher of all people making a really good point about healthcare in America. People like him support a Bernie-style plan of single payer healthcare. He said maybe we wouldn't need that if we didn't eat like pigs and were more active and chose to live healthier lifestyles. Healthcare isn't something you just pay for. It's something you have to 'live.'
>>71137974
Related question.
Is taxing guns even legal?
We can't have a poll tax for our right to vote, so why can they tax guns?
>>71137896
Guns don't kill people underfunded universal healthcare does.
>>71137896
I can pay for health care provided I work and the system isn't fucked.
I can't pay the government to not be tyrannical.
desu though both are rights on some level as far as I'm concerned.
>>71137896
nobody has the right to stop you buying a weapon
nobody has the right to stop you buying healthcare
>>71139651
Which includes assault rifles.
>>71146457
>nobody has the right to stop you buying a weapon
I've notified Scotland Yard ya cheeky cunt.
Yer loif's about shit now, innit
>>71146246
that bullet will travel ten feet, and then drop out of the air.
you might as well just toss it really hard.
Are taxpayers going to pay for my assault weapons? Are the taxpayers going to be forced to supply everyone with an assault weapon whether they want it or not? Because if not then this is a false equivalence.
I buy my own assault weapons, I clean them, I house them, I buy the ammo and I am responsible for what happens while using them.
There's no law forcing taxpayers to supply my ammo, buy my weapons or clean them. If there was, then your argument would have merit, however as it stands this argiment is beyond pathetic.
>>71137896
Both are human rights, desu
Now hol up
People want healthcare because theyre to dumb to do a little research on how to stay healthy
Now guns protect us from anyone who threatens our health, life, rights, etc
>>71137896
Weapons have been waiting since before man was
Healthcare came as an afterthought
So yes, weapons are a right of nature.
Treating the consequences of those weapons is a luxury.
>>71137896
What if you think both are human rights?
But healthcare IS a right. Just as with guns, it is not free either.
>>71137974
you must not expect guns from any one.
>>71140134
And lets not forget the recent 8-0 supreme court decision putting stun guns under second amendment protection.
The same case that states any bearable arm has second amendment protection.
So get fucked, grabby.
>>71137896
Services are not rights. Period. You have ZERO RIGHT to ANY SERVICE.
There is 100% no relation to owning an item and demanding a service for free. Owning property is your right, the labor of others isnt.
If you think this image was meaningful at all, youre the cancer thats killing humanity. You want to disarm me so Im compelled by monopoly of force to enact your twisted visions of utopia.
You're to try. I'll fight back with weapons; as is my right.
>>71137896
The constitution says guns are a civil right, it does not say the same for healthcare. Americans that do not adhere to the constitution are what is wrong with America. The US constitution is one of the most important documents in the civilise world alongside Magna Carta and the 1689 Bill of Rights.
>>71137974
good lord #rekt FPBP of the month
