1) Why do the communists/hippies despise Vietnam more than any other war?
2) Was entering Vietnam a mistake? Was leaving?
>>71123806
Because they would have had to do shit
Kinda. Europe still went communist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ec0XKhAHR5I
obligatory thread theme
Vietnam isn't a war :^)
>>71123806
it was the war of the time
it wasn't a mistake, they just hadn't the intelligence
>>71123806
>Was entering Vietnam a mistake?
Yes. We should have liberated Russia from the Moscovite-Jewish horde.
>Was leaving?
Yes. Militarily, we had won in Vietnam. We lost because weak willed hippies and fucking Walter Cronkite.
>>71124415
>Militarily, we had won in Vietnam
>>71124603
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hqYGHZCJwk
Get a job and read a book.
>>71124603
American and Autralian forces won every single battle of the war and killed 2 million Vietnamese.
It was a stunning military victory. The betrayal at home by left wing intellectuals and unwashed hippies forced us to leave
>>71124603
US army did what it was supposed to, problem is in the modern era peasants have too much of a say in how nations conduct war. America will never win another war because women are too influential in how the military operates.
>>71124415
>Militarily, we had won in Vietnam
The delusion is REAL!
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>71123806
Who say's the Vietnam War is over?
"Architecturally, the Twin Towers had withstood the collision."
1. Jane Fonda
2. Not glassing it was a mistake.
>>71124415
>We should have liberated Russia
>implying you can
Top kek, what a delusional faggot.
>>71124603
We did. The Tet offensive crippled the crippled the Vietcong.
>>71124894
>>71124814
>>71124783
lol wow this is what you guys learn in history class huh?
>>71125105
>The Tet offensive crippled the crippled the Vietcong.
It also crippled your language skills :^)
>>71124907
The point of having forces in south Vietnam was to secure it from northern aggression and then hand things over to the South Vietnamese. The US did that, and the South Vietnamese actually went on the offensive after the US had left and was gaining ground, then they ran out of bomb and bullets, which we were supposed to supply them with, but the democrats in the US reneged on this deal. So basically, South Vietnam would be like South Korea 2 right now instead of the corrupt beach resort it is now.
>>71124986
The fact that we withdrew all troops and normalized relations a decade later.
Because the US fucking destroyed the entire country by using chemical weapons.
I went a few years back and there were so many children with 8 legs or some other shit and it is unlikely it will end any time soon.
![0417namfall01[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/yyX0mJH.jpg "0417namfall01[1].jpg")
stunning american military victory
>>71125105
>>71124814
>>71124783
>this is what a military victory looks like
>farm the rice,pay the price
>>71125129
Ah, so this is how you declare yourself the winner without having to resort to pesky things like actually winning.
Guys, the US have won the war on goalposts! Take that, goalposts with your never-ending reluctance to move! :^)
>>71124415
>Militarily, we had won in Vietnam.
No. You lost it because they outlasted you and drained away your resolve. The fact that you killed more of them means literally nothing because you failed in your objective.
Because Cronkite fucked us.
Due to the huge number of massacres, rapes and other war crimes that america perpetrated and the fact that people who reported them were court marshalled and labelled as traitors
>>71125077
You don't need liberating now my friend. But Rus was occupied by a foreign horde for the better part of a century.
>>71124907
>"The leadership in Hanoi was despondent at the outcome of their offensive. Their first and most ambitious goal, producing a general uprising, had ended in a dismal failure. In total, approximately 85,000–100,000 communist troops had participated in the initial onslaught and in the follow-up phases. Overall, during the "Border Battles" of 1967 and the nine-month winter-spring campaign, 45,267 communist troops had been killed in action."
>"The horrendous losses inflicted on Viet Cong units struck into the heart of the irreplaceable infrastructure that had been built up for over a decade. MACV estimated that 181,149 Viet Cong and North Vietnamese troops had been killed during 1968."
""In all honesty, we didn't achieve our main objective, which was to spur uprisings throughout the South. Still, we inflicted heavy casualties on the Americans and their puppets, and this was a big gain for us. As for making an impact in the United States, it had not been our intention—but it turned out to be a fortunate result".
-General Tran Do
>>71123806
Vietnam itself, the result of it, was due to a series of mistakes, starting with letting the Russians take Berlin, letting Korea stay divided, and Joe McCarthy not finding more commies since he was backstabbed once he digged too deep.
By the time vietnam started we already were culturally subverted, and our media really are what destroyed the war effort, through public opinion, and weakening the resolve in the minds of those drafted.
Now there were techincal and strategic errors, some related to political pressures causes by what I mentioned, some just incompetence like the issues with gun powder etc, but all of that would have been overcome like in prior wars.
Vietnam was the first sign of the cuckening, the hippies led the cuck wave, and the hipsters carry their cuck banner.
Like most wars, Vietnam was a race war that the US was too stupid to understand. Vietnamese have hundreds if not thousands of years of fighting their neighbors, usually Han Chinese and Khmer, but toss some Mongol and Japanese in there too. The war for independence was a war for Vietnamese to kick out the Chinese and French, but mostly Chinese minoity who act like Jews.
The US got involved because we didn't understand their motivation. We killed a bunch of folks but the Vietnamese really are no mad about it.
>>71125372
>Because Cronkite fucked us.
Ah, yes. The morale of the U.S. armed forces is so strong it can be broken by a lonely journalist reporting the truth :^)
>>71123806
>1) Why do the communists/hippies despise Vietnam more than any other war?
well other than the obvious reason than they were communist, it was the first time a war was being broadcasted on evening TV news, pretty much uncensored. It was a huge shock for people to see kids getting shot on TV and then to know "fuck, any day I could be drafted to fight in this shit" Even parents were worrying about this. And no one thought the cause was worth all that death and suffering. Who cares if some irrelevant gooks want to be communist?
2) Was entering Vietnam a mistake? Was leaving?
yes and yes. After the Paris Peace Accords, the plan was set up that the US would leave, but we would still help out the South Vietnamese government with supplies, and I think there was a promise to jump back in if the North ever tried to invade again. And when they did, we just kind of threw that all away in 1975 after Nixon left in shame.
The whole war was just a huge cluster fuck on every level
>>71125290
>I don't like facts, I prefer to repeat my Jewish professors talking points
Leftist pls go
>>71125429
>As for making an impact in the United States, it had not been our intention—but it turned out to be a fortunate result
Clearly the words of the losing side. :^)
>>71125514
Hey Burgertard, swallow THIS redpill: Did you know that Germany actually WON WW1 and WW2? :^)
>>71124014
>Vietnam thread
>CCR starts playing
>>71124907
>>71124603
100% accurate, learn some history. practically every single battle the us took part in were major tactical victories.
The only reason why south vietnam fell is beccause the liberals betrayed SV and voted to stop providing them with oil and other supplies long before we told them we would. their entire military ground to a halt, they had no oil, and their aircraft, their biggest advantage over NV, never flew another story once the oil stopped coming in. Prior to the supplies drying up, the SV were successful at holding their border, maintaining security, and preventing invasions. The country practically collapsed overnight though due3 to liberal sabotage, and it costed thousands of lives.
So whenever you hear a cry baby liberal complain about the war, remind them of why it was all for nothing and about the blood on their hands.
>>71125277
It was a Pyrrhic victory. If had stuck around instead of limping back home with our tail between our legs we would have been fine.
We had an active fifth column in the US sowing dissent.
>>71125363
>your objective
As far as I can tell our only objective was to poke a sharp stick at Soviet Russia.
>>71125290
>mfw Germany has never won a war
>>71125526
The general literally says the Tet offensive was a military failure but that the losses suffered by the Americans left them weak willed at home.
>>71125290
The US did not lose a single batlle in vietnam
Walter Cronkite declared the TET Offensive the single most lopsided victory for the US in the entire war a crushing defeat and declared the war unwinnable.
Cronkite at the time was the single most trusted news source in the US at the time, this changed the entire perception of the war and destroyed public support.
>>71125077
In conventional warfare Russian military has no chances.
>>71125277
>Greece
How's your Muslim population doing? Growing?
>>71125467
Anything can be sabotaged when the culture of a nation is destroyed. You should know Hans.
>>71123806
you don't go to war if you aren't in it to win it.
>>71125654
They were weak willed anyways thanks to home grown commies.
>>71123806
- Uncontrolled media
- Murica only tolerate white genocide
>>71125575
>its a "european tries to talk about US history" post
lol I can guarantee you that literally NO ONE in Europe right now knows jack shit about the Vietnam war.
>>71125431
>letting Korea stay divided
The US fucked up and got too close to China. The US could not handle increasing the war.
What part of that is 'letting'? Staying divided was forced upon the yanks.
>>71125207
don't you see, Charles wants to be friends again and have Daddy Yankee come back full time. The Navy already has bases there and soon we'll have total Victory without the smell of Napalm in the morning again.
The Vietnam war was a war between the State Department and the Pentagon. Foggy Bottom won.
>>71125679
>conventional warfare
No such thing.
>>71123806
America won in Vietnam. Literally every military engagement in Vietnam was won by the America and the south vietnamese. The North and the Viet Cong lost every single one, including the Tet offensive.
What's more America has literally carpet bombed the North into submission. The North agreed to cease hostilities and to stop trying to take over the non-communist south, when they agreed to the Paris Peace accords.
America had won in Vietnam.
Now America and the South didn't expect the north to fully live up to their agreement, so America also agreed to provide materiel support to the south and replace their equipment as it was lost, on a one-to-one basis. Meaning if a jeep is lost, we would give them a jeep, if a helicopter was lost we would give them a helicopter. With our materiel support the South should have been able to continue to defend itself from the North.
However, the democrats had recently taken control of the congress and had indicted to then president Gerald Ford that they were not going to fund that agreement.
President Ford went to Congress and in an address literally begged them to fund it. In response, democrats stood up and walked out.
After the funding dried up, the North began launching offensives into the south. The south being unable to defend itself, many anti-communists there instead decided to flee vietnam entirely leaving by any means necessary. Thousands and Thousands of people from the south fled, they became known as the "Boat People".
Anon, America had won in Vietnam. The deomcrats just later decided that America and the south vietnamese should lose.
Taiwan number 1!
We had one of our finest moments there. Should have stayed the course.
>>71125745
>forced
Nobody forces you to be a cuckhold, you do that willingly.
>>71125725
True. Thank you fucking Transcendentalists.
>>71125431
>Yes goy, just trust the government. This war is definitely good for pur cou try, totally worth drafting and sacrificing all these young men in some country you probably can't point out on a map.
Guess what fucker, we lost. And what big bad terrible thing happened? Oh right, nothing other than a couple undeveloped countries became commie. I'm sure if those soldiers were alive today, they'd totally die again for that.
>>71125597
>The only reason why south vietnam fell is beccause the liberals betrayed SV and voted to stop providing them with oil and other supplies long before we told them we would. their entire military ground to a halt, they had no oil, and their aircraft, their biggest advantage over NV, never flew another story once the oil stopped coming in. Prior to the supplies drying up, the SV were successful at holding their border, maintaining security, and preventing invasions. The country practically collapsed overnight though due3 to liberal sabotage, and it costed thousands of lives.
ummm so you lost due to X and Y reasons,even if it had been political?
>>71125605
>It was a Pyrrhic victory
No it was not.A Pyrric victory would have established your desired regime in Vietnam despite all the dead soldiers you left there dying in vain
>>71124415
You lost because General Westmoreland was a fuckhead, don't blame the hippies. That idiot had 4 fucking years to put down the insurgency yet he wanted to stage set piece battles like a chump.
>>71125779
This is true, though corruption in the military industrial complex didn't help, had our country & Europe not lost mentally/culturally, the world would not be so fucked today.
Can't reallt fault the french for running away though, thats their culture.
>>71123806
you'll note jews are commies and were very much agains the war
the jews control the news, media and movies
like the pic in the OP is i thik the movie platoon - by oliver stone (jew). not to mention full metal jacket directed by a jew. fine movies but basically jew propaganda
hitler always complained about jew control of newspapers and movies in germany/austria. jews had same control in the US but know one notices and if you say anything about they will think you're a bad person.
literally US whites were dumb, and now they will beome a minority and then be killed off
>>71125779
>best post
This
Losing was the objective of the Democratic Party and liberal movement as it furthered their narrative for agenda in domestic policy to cuck America and capitalism and one day elect a fucking commie kike queue Bernie
>>71125779
>America won in Vietnam
It's not winning if one of your political parties decides it's time to quit while you're ahead, and the war is then fucking LOST
Vietnam would have never happened if the US had allied with the Axis powers in WWII
So yes it was a mistake
>>71125855
>established your desired regime in Vietnam
How is North Vietnam doing nowadays?
>>71123806
>Was entering Vietnam a mistake? Was leaving
Vietnam became and I believe currently has a communist government and this fact has 0% effect on my life,well besides the legacy of the war in American culture and personally I suppose
>>71125855
Yeah its utterly pathetic, Our public doesnt care about anything but themselves, when they pretend to care about foreign people, when they say they "support the troops" its all just a big fucking lie. The war was intentionally sabotaged so some feel good liberals could have a nice political talking point.
The end result is hundreds of thousands of people, American and South Vietnamese dieing in vain and Countless tax dollars spent for nothing.
It was a different time I suppose
>>71125832
>nothing happened
>Europe being raped
>US going socialist year by year
Your enlightened anti-war baby boomers, started more wars once they had power, and undermined domestic interests only to grow the government exponentially.
The issue wasn't that our nation was debating the war rationally, no, the war was just a convenient vehicle for hippies who already decided all war was wrong and rather have Ho Chi Minh fuck their mothers.
Look how democrats now voted for war, then sabotage it and use it as a political weapon. Weaponized cucking.
>>71126004
I think that they still have a China styke communit party leading but thats totally irrelevant
we're discussing if the US had won the Vietnam war(not the cold war) and the answer is obviously no
>>71125958
Stone is a big fucking commie.
Too bad most based people knew Sgt Barnes did nothing wrong.
>>71125597
>>71125605
>>71125656
>>71125744
The delusion CONTINUES!
>>71125981
The second a republican was managing the war, then it became wrong.
>>71125692
>You should know Hans.
I KNOW NOTHING :^)
>>71123806
>hippies despise Vietnam
the "hippies" ended that fucking war by be moralizing the troops and thats what we need to do now. the psy-ops campaign by our government is unbelievable. this is there worst fear. remember the "support our troops" shit every where. remember when any critic of the wars had to say "bbbut i still support our troops". why? they are doing the killing.this war on "terrorism" would fall apart if people were too ashamed to join the military.spit on a soldier today!!!
>>71126293
If you'll recall I had originally separated the military success from political victory.
"Militarily, we had won in Vietnam. We lost because weak willed hippies and fucking Walter Cronkite."
>>71125431
>>71125597
>>71125779
>>71125958
I didn't know that America has its own stab-in-the-back myth.
>>71125998
Well, put it this way, if Hitler was less socialist, and instead just unified east Europe against Russia but never went west, things would be a lot better off right now.
>>71123806
Do you know nothing of the war? It's causes, it's history? These are questions that a 9th grader with no education would ask, and yet it's embedded with language that already professes to have enough knowledge to characterize the opponents of the war as mere hippies or communists. By that reckoning, 95% of the world's governments were communist. So you can see how absurd you sound. At least read the wiki article on the subject before starting a thread. You'd save us all a lot of time.
>>71126130
The cognitive dissonance is insane.
Your saying that all those deaths were worthless. So instead of saying the entire fucking war was retarded, you say we should have sent MORE people to die pointless deaths?
It was an unwinnable war. We were unwilling to attack the north. But even if we did, we would still face opposition. Why? Because this was a country that had been ruled by foreigners for generation after generation. The people of vietnam saw an opportunity to gain independencd, and they took it. The average vietnamese cold care less about communism. They just wanted to be free from foreigners.
So outside of genociding every last vietnamese, there was no way resistance would ever end.
>>71126349
Be careful what you say about my country and our leaders, i could have you prosecuted if you don't watch out
>>71123806
1. Because they're communists and that was the reason for fighting to begin with
2. Neither was a mistake, we did what we had to but once you lose the public you can't keep going or you'll lose everything
>>71126551
>rule of law is bad
lmao
>>71126458
>myth
>>71126474
He had to go West. The UK declared war on Germany who dindu nuffin.
>>71126458
It is not a myth anon. Go research it yourself, there was no behind closed-doors meetings. The democrats very loudly and publicly refused to fund the agreement.
>>71126396
Can't be mad at that response tbqh
>>71126482
I believe America has just been BFTO by none other than Canada :^)
>>71126525
"you say we should have sent MORE people to die pointless deaths?"
Epic strawman tardo, did you even read what i posted?
>>71126619
Noice :^)
>>71126551
Typical American, resorts to threats when he's been
>OUT
>FUCKING
>SKILLED
>>71126416
>.spit on a soldier today!!!
muhammed pls
>>71126525
>they just wanted to be free from foreigners
So they joined up with a foreign, globalist imperium?
>>71126644
>not wanting innocent kids to die in a senseless war is a "strawman"
lmao
>>71126421
a war isnt decided by single military battles
sure you may have won tactical battles against an outdated army of farmers who could only had success using guerilla warfare(which it did and totally decimated US army) but in the end the outcome was defeat and you fleeing and retreating for nothing
you cant claim win over such an outcome even if you had won every single tactical army battle
>>71126525
Anon, look at my post for a summary.
>>71125779
We had won. We had stopped the North. We just gave up after the fact.
The war was won. We just didn't give the funding to keep the peace. Now I understand if you don't want to believe me, but look up and read some histories of the war.
>>71126644
You implied that we should have kept fighting the war, so as to make the deaths not worthless.
If we kept fighting, more would have died you dumbfuck.
But go ahead, keep bitching about le strawman and ignore the rest of my post.
>>71126525
It was unwinnable as you say because people were convinced it was.
Also politicans and media figures who did not like the war, instead of just making their case, sabotaged the war in any way they could.
A modern example is Bush being "forced" (cuck) into giving a withdraw time table. The war was stupid yes, but at least we could do it right, butttttttt no. Democrats had to ensure we fucked it up totally, so they could grand stand politically.
>>71126482
>95% of the world's governments were communist
Exactly.
>mfw a fucking leaf stumbles into the truth
tailgunnerjoe.wav
>>71126755
Actually replacing your intellectual opponents argument with a completely different one is a strawman, which is what you have done.
I really don't hope you consider yourself smart
>>71125744
There was a war in Vietnam?
>>71126813
>Also politicans and media figures who did not like the war, instead of just making their case, sabotaged the war in any way they could.
THANKS, OBAMA
>>71126739
The vietnamese communists received aid from other commies, true. But they were not ruled by them.
Meanwhile, the south was a literla US puppet government, and everyone knew this.
>>71126616
I think though at that time Hitler was talking about WWI and German ambitions in West Europe. Chances are the Royalty knew what was up since they are German.
>>71126865
>I really don't hope you consider yourself smart
Stupid people lack the cognitive capacity to recognize they are stupid, and your failure to realize this speaks volumes :^)
>>71126807
>still strawmanning that i said we should have kept fighting the war
Learn to read paco, I spoke only of the post war supplies which we guaranteed SV which we stopped providing them with due to liberal sabotage. You can strawman that iw anted troops on the ground all you want, but the truth is our troops did not leave early and had accomplished enough on their own already.
It was the political manuevers post war, and the broken promises to south vietnam that cost the war.
>>71126769
Learn to read Faggocles. I said we won all the military engagements but, politically, we lost.
And we weren't decimated kek. The Western allies only lost 300k men or so. The American public just didn't have the stomach to finish the job.
Same reason we didn't finish of Red Russia after WWII.
Same reason we let Russia take Berlin.
Same reasons we are losing our sphere of influence in the Middle East.
Decadence. All empires fall.
>>71123806
Lol Holy shit, Yeah we would all be speaking vietnames if we hadn't gone to Vietnam. I appreciate that we have men willing to die for the country...even if they don't have to.
>>71123806
hippies hate it because they were proven to be less than their parents "the greatest" generation
hippies are cowards who wouldnt fight and wanted every one to think war is bad
>>71127009
>hippies are cowards who wouldnt fight
How many deferments did Trump receive? :^)
>>71127008
>have an openly marxist presidential candidate
Nah we really didn't need to worry about communism at all :)
>>71126910
>puppet
This is true. I have little faith that Soviet Russia would have allowed the North Vietnamese to do anything that would damage the Communist project though.
>>71126919
At no point did Hitler ever want war with England or the USA. France had German clay. So did Poland.
>>71126993
>The Western allies only lost 300k men or so
>only
Jesus Christ, you tremendous thundercuck :^)
>>71126813
>Politician doesn't like the war
>By trying to get out of it, hes sabotaging!
What? Of course the opposition will try to get out the damn war. There the fucking opposition.
You idiots keep blaming politicians, hppies, etc for ending the war. You act as if voicing your opinion is such a terrible thing.
Sure hippies did retarded things, but not everyone who was against the war was a hippe. Plenty of people could see it was stupid and unwinnable.
>>71125688
So is yours.
>>71125214
remember, our nam vets are dealing with the chemicals just as much. just like desert storm troops, our government won't spare anyone when it comes to war.
>>71127094
300k lives is a pittance.
>>71125744
That cunt.
>>71127141
Why was it unwinnable?
>>71127092
UK had best clandestine spy network of the time, they likely knew otherwise. Also they knew France was cuck so they had to be hyper-sensitive about German ambitions. I get it.
Sad fact is, Hitler just needed land to fund his socialism, and jew bux.
>>71126004
Great, it's called Vietnam
>>71125688
>How's your Muslim population doing? Growing?
Growing indeed :^)
>>71126993
>The Western allies only lost 300k men or so
this is a huge number considering they died fighting gooks in a god forsaken tropical jungle for nothing
any sane civilian would have been pretty mad
>>71127180
>300k lives is a pittance.
Maybe when it comes to your mom's stretched-out clunge :^)
>>71127141
Voicing is different than undercutting budgets while men are dying you cuck.
>>71126991
Fine, so you think aid would have won? Lol what a moron. They had a corrupt shit government and a weal willed fighting force.
Even with aid they were destined to fail.
Whenever the US tries to rely on trained foreigners, it always fails. Just look at the iraq "army".
>>71125744
>U.S.
>History.
Don't make me laugh, you under - educated retard. The only difference between your country and a pot of yoghurt, is that if the yoghurt is left alone for 200 years, it will have grown a fucking culture in that time.
>>71127240
Because I dont wannaaa waaa waaaaaaa waaaa *shits bed*
T. Leftist cuck
>>71127009
Don't forget that you belong to a generation that is beneath those hippies. You're a cuck to cucks
>>71126130
>The end result is hundreds of thousands of people, American and South Vietnamese dieing in vain and Countless tax dollars spent for nothing.
lol @ sunken cost fallacy
>>71124415
you're delusional. War is just to enrich the very wealthy at the expense of all the poor and middle class. Why don't you enlist and lose life or limb for those rich fucks. Protecting america from what? Why do you think that dissent is for all practical purposes outlawed now. It's because the powers that be will do anything to prevent the common people from rising up to protest unfairness.
>>71124814
>>71125597
?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Ap_Bac
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Binh_Gia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Dong_Xoai
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_A_Shau
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Xa_Cam_My
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Bribie
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Ong_Thanh
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kham_Duc
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Fire_Support_Base_Ripcord
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Snuol
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter_Offensive
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Battle_of_Qu%E1%BA%A3ng_Tr%E1%BB%8B
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Loc_Ninh
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Ban_Me_Thuot
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Phuoc_Long
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Xu%C3%A2n_L%E1%BB%99c
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Barrel_Roll
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Flaming_Dart
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Rolling_Thunder
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Igloo_White
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Commando_Hunt
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Menu
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Frequent_Wind
>>71127327
>>71127449
>dem bantz
>>71127327
What do you know about bacterial cultures? Now, yeast, I'd trust you alcoholic fucks anytime. Howabout win the vietnam on your own island before shit talking there bud. Enjoy South Ireland.
>>71127092
>Damage the commie project
What? Aa far as I know, they had autonomy after the war.
It is undeniable that the north govt was run by actual vietnamese with vietnamese interests in mind.
The south was a puppet with US interests in mind, and as such it was doomed to fail.
>>71127242
Surely there are written sources showing Hitler's intent/desire to invade England and "take over the world"?
>>71127276
>for nothing
Why do you think we were over there? Vietnam was one of the last wars where a segment of the US (Pentagon) was actively trying to resist Jewish imperialism.
>>71123806
>Was leaving?
did you mean losing?
>>71127488
This, ladies and gentlecucks, is what we in the biz refer to as "BFTO" :^)
>>71127305
Would have? it WAS working, the SV secured their country, and maintained it without us, their airforce replaced ours in the sky and gave them the upper hand they needed. Once their supplies stopped coming in, the airforce stopped flying, and their military began breaking down without oil, etc.
IT was only then that the NV breached the border, the SV military was totally demoralized, they were abandoned by their one ally, and defections became rampant at that point
>>71127502
Who's fault that was we can debate, but we agree, things would have been much better if Europe was never fighting itself, and instead worked against the USSR.
>>71127483
>enrich the very wealthy
Ok Bernie.
>why don't I enlist?
Don't want to fight for the Jew.
>protecting America
Vietnam was not a defensive war.
>It's because the powers that be will do anything to prevent the common people from rising up to protest unfairness.
WAAAAH ITS UNFAIR
>Why do you think that dissent is for all practical purposes outlawed now
Its not. Your fellow travelers over at BLM have been having some success.
>mfw /pol/ actually supports the Vietnam War
This pretty much proves /pol/ is satire, right? I swear to God no one could possibly be this contrarian.
>>71127300
So they used their position to try and end it. Your saying they should have supported the war effort in spite of being vehemently against it?
Thats retarded.
>>71125733
I dislike France and the French. But this makes me very sad.
>>71127488
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Dong_Xoai
>The South Vietnamese paratroopers, while searching for survivors of the 1st Battalion in the Thuáºn Lợi rubber plantation, were defeated in a deadly ambush by the Viet Cong
DISHONORABU
>>71127651
>I dislike France and the French.
We all do. It's what makes us human.
>>71127547
>>71127659
>america is a global firepower
>>71123806
First point. It was stupid, and completely against their political agendas/ideology.
Second point. Not getting involved when the French were there was a mistake. The Viet Cong started as one of many anti French colonial groups, eventually becoming Communists for the aid from the USSR. Either America should have crushed them or helped them, but hind sight is a bitch.
>>71127648
No different than Benedict Arnold, just they have the media, and there are more of them. Otherwise they'd have be tried and rightfully hung.
What you argue would have made people sabotaging factories during WWII "morally right". Civil disobedience ends where foreign interests are involved. Fucking cucks.
>>71124415
>Militarily, we had won Vietnam
>>71127501
>autonomy
Suppose I designed a computer chip and had it installed into your brain that activated if and only if you decided to vote for Trump.
However, you enter the voting booth, and decide to vote for Hillary and my computer chip remains inert.
Did you have the free will to vote for the candidate of your choosing?
>>71127751
>3 casualties
and these are the "staggering" military defeats you compensating euros cling to. Utterly hilarious
>>71127366
Yeah, because if some dumb bitch in Kansas cries because her husband died in some shithole halfway acorss the world, well shes just not patriotic enough!
You retards need some god damn empathy. I for one would never want my son to be forced to fight and die in a pointless war. Fuck your geopolitical agenda.
Besides, nobody really knew what the outcome would be. You fuckers talk about europe/US being cucked, but nobody thought that. It was all about domino theory, which turned out to not be true.
>>71127803
Yes, we were too cuck to just vote to go to war properly outright to assist the french before it got fucked worse.
>>71127327
>t will have grown a fucking culture in that time.
>says the irishfuck
lol you have no history other than getting cucked by the english and starving to death from not eating enough potatoes
Stay irrelevant faggot. We conquered half a continent in less than 100 years while you faggots fought for 300 years to get 2/3 of your shitty little island back
>>71127490
Germany to. Literally never won a war and you still have our military bases in your country
yall so fucking jelly. And your passive aggression is so suitable for the typical emasculated faggy little europoor.
Cant wait for you to angrily type whatever pathetic insult your pea brain can think up to this. stay cucked lol
>>71127587
>never fighting itself
Surely we can all agree on this point.
Let's not forget the North had a better and less corrupt government than the American puppet state south
>>71127845
>pointless
I keep hearing this world tossed about. But what does it mean?
>>71127845
I have nothing against the bitch, but she becomes a dumb bitch when she spits in GI's faces, calls them rapists, and votes for politicians who will ensure many other men die in order to secure withdrawl for the war and his political career.
>>71127945
>better and less corrupt
>communist
>>71127751
DELETE THIS
>>71127068
Lol eh, you can thank your American corporations for that problem. Our government bent over for its rich buddies and now we're all forced to consider redistributing wealth to unfuck ourselves. Ironically the rich get the most back cause they really just can't afford to provide workers liveable wages and still like like kings at the top without it, go figure
>>71127819
These are politicians. They aren't bombing factories. They vote on the budget, its literally there fucking job.
Its not traitorous at all. Your a moron. Your so cucked youd die in some foreign shithole for "muh country" even if it was totally fucking pointless.
>>71127845
Big surprise, her son dies serving the country, then the women makes sure to undo everything her son fought for, and guarantee that he died in vain. sounds about right, no matter so many soldiers blew their brains out
>>71128041
>mfw a liberal tries to seize the means of production and redistribute it amongst the workers near me
>corporations
>rich buddies
>redistributing wealth
>the rich
>livable wages
>live like kings
ITS NOT FAIR THAT IN THE CURRENT YEAR OTHER PEOPLE ARE MORE SUCCESSFUL THAN ME URRGHGR
>>71127842
Your looking at this politically. All that mattered was that the vietnamese govt was, more or less, in power by the vietnamese.
I imagine if they stepped out of line, commies may have intervened. But they never did, commies never intervened, they got autonomy.
The alternative was a full on puppet govt. I'll admit neither is an attractive option, but if I were a vietnamese peasent I'd fight for the commies to kick out the whitman invader and his cucked govt.
>>71128141
Kek
Who said anything about fairness? Its what we have voted for I'd say that's as fair as it gets.
>>71123806
Did Vietnam adopt Democracy?
No.
So we lost. It was a ton of bloodshed for nothing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S06nIz4scvI
>>71128041
Corruption in the traditional sense is on either side of the issue, thats besides the point in all this.
Thing is, we had people like Clinton who sold off our Uranium IN THE US, to the Russians.. We've had too many anti-nationalists for too long.
>>71128066
Just because its a desk job, and because they found a way to get people to vote for them, doesn't make it any less treasonous.
>>71126383
Exactly and then they try and rewrite history that Kennedy was never gonna engage when he was the one setting it up.
>>71127961
So the solution is to create more crying bitches? Is it unreasonable to think she doesn't want other people to go through it?
And you imply their sacrifice wasn't already worthless. It was. Even if we won, they'd have died for nothing other than petty politics.
>>71127953
Were we attacked by them? No, we had to make up an attack, and even then, it wasn't on US soil.
So no, they were not defending the country. And we would ultimately have gained nothing out of a victory. So yes, it was pointless.
>>71128294
>don't go to war its for nothing we wont win!
>ok now that we are at war I'll make sure we wont win!
>see I told you we couldn't win!
Now iraq war
>votes for the war
>oh no you lied about WMD's even though I had access to the same informationnnn
>we wonttt winnn
>I'll make sureeee we donttt
>seeeee it isn't going well I tolddd you soooo
Leftists are like children who urinate themselves when they dont have their way. Meanwhile blame republicans for obamacare sucking despite it passing entirely with democrat support, and they could have passed anything they wanted..meaning obamacare is exactly as democrats wanted.
>>71128206
If I were Vietnamese I probably would have too. But pigdog Russians aren't much better than pigdog Americans.
>>71128496
>were not defending the country.
There are other reasons to go to war besides national defense.
>And we would ultimately have gained nothing out of a victory
Apparently buffer states and stopping the spread of Communism are pointless now.
Do you really think our generals were sitting around thinking "hey guys lets get into a pointless war for no reason lel"?
>>71128677
But as we clearly saw, domino theory was not true. It was just that, a theory. We went to war on a fucking assumption, that turned out to be false.
So yes, win or lose, they were pointless deaths.
>>71128496
Dont try and make everything about grieving widows as if they are wholly on one side on the issue, and that more widows were not produced by the sabotage of domestic leftists.
Communist sympathizers WANTED soliders to die, many were honest about this, while the rest pretended to just be anti-war. They were really pro-cuck.
>>71128361
Somehow democrats think Lincoln is theirs because "muh flip", despite FDR winning the south during years when the KKK was extremely active, and Republicans voting FOR the civil rights act.
>>71123806
I think there was a hidden agenda behind it
>>71125057
In truth the twin towers wouldn't have collapsed the way they did, if anything the top portion may have fallen off but the fact that the entire tower collapse is insane.
If you watch videos of the twin towers collapsing you will notice that when the tower fell it didn't just fall.normally explosions from the top floor to the bottom detonated one after the other till the tower collapsed
>>71128836
>domino theory not true
>almost whole world is now marxist except thankfully since we held pressure on USSR and accelerated their economic downfall, east europe states like poland are now based anti-commies
we are about to be the last domino's to fall meanwhile cucks like you cover your ears and close your eyes.
>>71125760
This.
It's war. There are no rules
Loved the russian military cus of it always unexpected Manu vets and tactics
>>71128861
>Communist sympathizers WANTED soldiers to die, many were honest about this
Hahahaha, wooooooow. Just, fucking, WOW.
Yeah. It's the leftists who killed those soldiers, definitely not the callous generals who sent them there to die so their corporate masters could make a buck.
>some idealistic eighteen year old crawls into a rat tunnel and gets speared by some vietcong
>I BET THE LEFTISTS DID THIS!
This is you right now.
Conservatives are insane. You people literally complain about "muh communists" the same way nu-liberals complain about "muh patriarchy."
>>71128836
>they were pointless deaths
Nonsense. There are no such things as pointless deaths.
>that turned out to be false.
I'm assuming the assumption we are referring to is the global spread of communism.
The problem was that the State Department, universities, and newspaper were all sympathetic to Communism.
We had already lost the war; the Pentagon just didn't know it yet.
>>71124415
>>71126825
American education
>>71129020
>Hurdur we marxist now
Wow, that so. Seems to be the same democracy its been for quite a long time.
Also, there were already denocratic socialist countries in europe being setup prior and diring vietnam. The outcome fo vietnam would have done little for them.
And ultimately, domino theory was not that abstract. The they believed it would result in literla commie governments forming. This didnt happen, commies failed.
Get off /pol and go outside, you've been on here too long.
>>71129123
lol UK+ you Americans are even deluded in your ID's
>>71127843
>300 vs more than 1500
>lose 14 helicopters
>86 soldiers and 108 wounded
>america is a global firepower
>>71127889
>Insecure Americans
Keks for days lads.
>>71129279
>democracy
Kek
>>71129123
>pic related
>how about you vote me some more ammo you fucks
>spits on my face instead when I return home
I was stationed in Da-Nang. Charlie took two of my buddies.
>it ain't me
>>71123806
1) because communists/hippies are a bunch of bandwagon hoppers
2) entering mistake, leaving was a good idea. just because y'all got ur asses handed to u
>>71125656
That is incredibly incorrect. Bad revisionism, amerifriends.
>>71129625
http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/166175/jane-fonda-finally-apologizes-ben-shapiro
Before Ben went full cuck.
>>71129995
That is the exact truth you useless leaf
>>71125817
Wrong. The US was forced to stop or else risk having to fight a real war with China.
>>71129863
If we never went to war, or if we left without any sabotage, I'd be fine with it.
>>71129813
>mfw us committed less than 10% of military forces to Vietnam
>>71130102
We are so afraid of wars that now we either fight them with both hands tied behind our backs, or we let the enemy win by not opposing them. Hell we hardly even feign opposition anymore.
>>71123806
>it ain't me starts playing
>>71126801
Why so hard to accept a loss nearly 45 years ago? The USdid not win, they packed their shit and left S Vietnam to the inevitable invasion.
>>71130159
Never understood the "we dont want to risk nuclear war" bullshit. What, Russia is going to nuke us if we destroy Vietnam? Or Korea? If we went and took Cuba by force nobody would nuke us. Let them pretend they would. Just as we didn't nuke them over Georgia or Ukraine.
>>71123806
1) Because communists and hippies are communists and hippies, and we were killing communists, whom they consider their bretheren. Even though Vietnam probably fucking hates all white commies.
2) Yes, because South Vietnam was about as real a country as Luxembourg. They weren't even remotely interested in fighting for their freedom like South Korea was. The war was also 70% about becoming an independent nation, and only 30% about communism.
It's like us fucking up the British and then blaming the whole war on tea prices. No, taxes were only a small portion of why we revolted.
>>71130302
Because the US media keeps shilling to learn the WRONG lesson from vietnam.
>>71130082
>>71127488
>won all battles
how is it a victory to lose?
>>71130082
Why so butthurt over a failed war that you were too young to witness?
>>71130420
Correct and also they used civil rights as a vehicle to further divide and conquor US nationalism. By 1990 is was more cool to hate your own country and its history than to be proud of any of it.
>>71130475
The lesson should have been stop invading shithole countries and ruining them even more. Unfortunately, the US hasn't learned this lesson, probably never will. Gutter revisionism like this probably doesn't help.
>>71130415
Because you are too young to have experienced the politics of the time.
>>71130475
YOU LOST, CHIMP. GET OVER IT. You even lost TWICE The first time you tried sending the french with your material and your logistic to keep that Colony (Indochina) THEN you went over there yourself, And got awfully beaten.
>>71127889
>faggy
Faggy indeed :^)
Indochine was a french colony, not u.s. alot of viets were speaking french in Saigon.But i agree, americans are proud people, and hate to be reminded they lost the gook war
>>71129279
>This didnt happen
Then we won. Semper fi.
>>71124415
>Yes. Militarily, we had won in Vietnam.
You're retarded or delusional
>>71132494
>mfw liberals can't separate the military from the political
>>71130868
Actually no, you're just profoundly retarded. >>71125779
>>71125958
You talk shit about our ally, homie?
>incompetent american goyim blaming their lefty hippies
Good thing our soldiers didn't come home with ptsd and treated like absolute garbage by their own countrymen
>>71132798
i hope to visit vietnam soon . i would like to do a motorcycle trip in vietnam and thailand
>>71133518
>ptsd
Killing that many jungle monkeys takes its toll on a man.
>>71125236
Pretty much the saddest American photo ever taken. That was the moment the illusion of American invincibility was forever shattered.
WTF does this shit have to do with Health and Fitness?
You've changed /fit/
>>71133518
>treated like absolute garbage by their own countrymen
Implying. I know a veteran being homeless for more than 10 years and He died from cold right before Tet this year.
>>71124783
lol, this is from a known propaganda channel.
>>71124907
>Germany
>winning wars
>>71134190
>all propaganda is false
>>71127843
12 casualties but yeah
>>71134614
11 reeeeeeeee
>>71123806
Legit historian here. I actually focus on American intervention in Southeast Asia, so I'll answer your questions (and anyone else's questions). I usually post on /his/ but that board is slow as fuck.
>1) Why do the communists/hippies despise Vietnam more than any other war?
Because it was a questionable war from their standpoint. American policymakers sincerely thought that losing Southeast Asia would be a huge victory for world communism. What American policymakers did not realize was that world communism was not the cohesive bloc they imagined. Most communists/hippies paint Vietnam was a war of American imperialism, needless violence, war atrocities, and generally oppose the war because they do not believe that the Vietnam conflict posed an existential threat to the United States (meanwhile, top American officials DID believe Vietnam posed an existential threat to the United States).
>2) Was entering Vietnam a mistake? Was leaving?
This is a difficult question. What the United States SHOULD have done between 1945-1949 was work with Ho Chi Minh to device a Philippines model of independence. Ho Chi Minh actually told American diplomats, in person, that he would accept a pro-Western Vietnamese state so long as it was a joint project with American or British involvement. Ho Chi Minh refused to work solely with the French, or participate in independence talks where French officials were in charge. Because Truman was more concerned with Western European security, however, he backed France.
Entering Vietnam was ultimately a mistake because we lost the war; not militarily, but our intended goal of propping up a functional, non-communist South Vietnamese state failed in the end. Leaving just allowed the inevitable to occur, which was the unification of Vietnam.
While I fully understand why American presidents, secretaries, and policymakers from Truman to Nixon did what they did, Vietnam was still a mistake.
>>71134756
Yea but who won?
>>71135072
The Vietnamese communists won. Vietnam unified as a communist state.
It deserves to be stated that many narratives of Vietnam whitewash the atrocities committed by the Vietnamese communists. For example, a scholar by the name of Fredrik Logevall wrote a called called Embers of War which won a Pulitzer Prize, but portrayed Ho Chi Minh as some epic hero. Then Logevall put in a little bit about the thousands of Vietnamese killed at the hands of the Viet Minh, Viet Cong, and the horrible oppression of anyone who didn't follow the party line.
It's just a pet peeve of mine.
>>71123806
Because they were commies, and it was an active war against communism.
>>71136154
russia straight shootin'.
>muh innocent vietnamese
>they just want to be left alone
If we follow the US logic, the Soviets won in Afghanistan.
>>71125745
MacArthur wanted to nuke China, but Truman wouldn't let him.
Tough redpills to swallow:
Fucking communists were running the US the whole time. "Cold War" makes dispute between Randy Savage and Hulk Hogan look real. The hippy movement was made up of whole cloth from Tavistock, CIA and run through Laurel Canyon.
>>71136811
>MacArthur wanted to nuke China, but Truman wouldn't let him.
MacArthur was a patriot but he was naive thinking the US Pinkos who had earlier hung Chiang Kai Shek out to dry would want to rid China of communists.
>1) Why do the communists/hippies despise Vietnam more than any other war?
Because it was popular to oppose it then and it's basically a meme to oppose it now.
>2) Was entering Vietnam a mistake? Was leaving?
It was a mistake on multiple levels:
1. Communism was popular in former colonial nations due to its strong anti-colonial philosophy, a concept that was easy for the mostly poor and uneducated populations to digest and rally around.
2. There was no real popular support for the South Vietnamese government. It was the functional equivalent of pretending a stillborn child had a future.
Vietnam war had nothing to do with communism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3vZNSAi-QM
>>71125121
You should know
>>71123806
Why do the communists/hippies despise Vietnam more than any other war?
>Vietnam trying to become communist
>America tries to stop it
>American communists upset
It is a mystery.
