where do you find yourself within the political spectrum? why? what shapes your world view and do you question your beliefs?
I'm a corporatist.
Money should equal power.
Directly, not through some puppet governments.
Working should earn you power. Nothing less.
X 0, Y 3
There was a really good version with 1-sentence explanations, e.g.:
>Uninformed masses decide what's best.
Does someone have it? Can't find it anywhere.
>>71122118
given the nature of how material wealth is transferred (i.e. an upper class child living in a 1st world nation has greater assess to resources such as a collage education than a child living in a rural village) would you argue that power distribution (in your would view) is skewed towards the wealthy?
>>71122750
*access sorry my phone likes to auto correct
x= -4
y= -1
>>71122118
>What is inheritance
>>71122118
>money should equal power.
>Working should earn you power, nothing less.
Can we then infer that you believe one can only earn money through working? Does that eliminate jobs like speculating on stocks, investing, philosophizing, political commentary, etc?
>>71122000
Ancap. Always questioning myself since anarchism is seemingly universally hated since the vast majority of people are brought up to believe that government is good, and thus I am subjected to constant questioning and attack as we are the common enemy of conservatives and liberals.
>>71123283
a fellow social democrat :)))
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>>71122000
i don't subscribe to any specific political ideology
with that said, every time i take a political spectrum test i always fall within the libertarian section
>>71122000
I'm a classical liberal, but completely indifferent towards the capitalism aspect of it, because I don't know anything about economics.
At least post a decent compass.
>>71123718
If you learn more about history and economics you'll see that capitalism is fucking brilliant, regardless of leftists using the word as a pejorative.
>>71122000
Somewhere between Conserservative and Authoritarian
>>71123859
my understanding of capitalism is free trade without a 3rd party intermediate (i.e. no taxation or regulation of goods and services) and from what iv heard it (capitalism) was first purposed as a way of shifting conflict form warfare to economic competition
>>71123883
t. Galtieri
>>71122000
Libertarian capitalist.
Makes me feel like a good goyim
>>71122000
(1,5)
I'm a marxist-leninist communist
better red than dead
Why is communism on the top?
>>71122000
Call me old fashioned but I'm an old fashioned Progressive, of the Teddy Roosevelt variety, minus the interventionist foreign policy. Thank god old Teddy gave us the national parks.
>>71124252
government control of the economy bruh
>>71124004
And whilst warfare creates disease, suffering, death and poverty, economic competition creates progress, solves human wants and needs, and allows people to become wealthy.
>>71122000
El compasso says so
>>71123718
that being said, I recognize that being a religious and ethnic minority in my own country greatly influences my political beliefs, even though I don't regard either to be an important part of who I am.
>>71123718
I get how capitalism works at a very basic level, I did A level Economics. But there is still so much I don't know, so I'm not very comfortable with taking any particular position.
>>71124355
I thought communism was supposed to be stateless
>>71124416
second part was directed at >>71123859
>>71123726
>>71122000
this is the better one m8s
Conservative leaning more towards nationalists because societies given freedom and enough time of prosperety and wealth will always degrade and collapse onto themselves and history proves this
>>71124363
not necessarily capitalism has created disease (obesity), warfare (conflict over scares resources), death (factory pollution/ hazardous materials), and poverty (the IMF's universal gold standard manufactured the 3rd world)
>>71122000
Social Democracy FTW. Also, I am voting for Kasich. Do not worry /pol/ I have your back, I am a moderate.
>>71123718
>>71124416
>>71124544
4chan needs to update your flag, the new one looks based (albeit african-tier)
>>71124416
Look at when humanity progressed the most against the odds, what periods gave rise to the highest standards of living.
Poverty is the natural human state. Since we were animals we have toiled with disease, famine, war and suffering.
Marxists blame Capitalism for creating poverty, but this poverty has always existed as it is the natural state for all animals. Instead of looking at what creates poverty we should be looking at what creates wealth, the antithesis of poverty, and the answer to that is capitalism and competition.
>>71124433
UK Education
>>71122000
I'm in the pink Authoritarianism box near the center. I believe most of the world is totally inept at ruling itself (see Africa, India, depressingly parts of Europe too) and ending colonialism was the worst thing that could have happened. I think the only way to save us is to unite the world under a single cohesive government (not a loose confederation like UN or EU) with a single language and a single currency (one currency means no money changing to cut down on jew-tricks).
Basically, I want a modern day Caesar.
>>71122000
I'm an individualist.
Everything comes from the individual, and only the individual is real.
>>71124733
enlighten me
>>71124433
>>71124733
It is "meant" to be stateless, so far as Marxist theory goes. So he is right. In practice it can never be stateless however, which is a different matter.
>>71124433
communism is where all means of production and labor are controlled by the state
>>71122000
Theocratic
>>71124781
Fuck off NWO scum.
Alex Jones does not approve.
>>71124867
sell your water filters somewhere else
>>71124966
He's not forcing you to buy them. You force me to pay tax to fund wars and globalism however with your toxic government. Pathetic SCUM.
>>71124831
>Theocratic
im not trying to sound condescending but how do you feel about Saudi Arabia or ISIS they are technically theocratic
>>71123726
This one is much better than the others.
>>71125100
How do you feel about blood letting, as it's technically medicine?
>>71124788
Then you're not a patriot.
>when did you stop beating your wife
asked every political compass ever
Do you Authoritarians/Collectivists ever stop and think and realise that you're really all just the same?
Whether you're a Theocrat, Fascist, Communist, Monarchist or whatever, you all believe in the same means ie government coercion and use of force, just different ends like rule of a specific class/religion/race.
And all your ideologies have been tried and failed.
>>71125175
blood letting is an old medical practice that has since be removed from modern medical practice, however you have yet to answer my question you only deferred it by asking an unrelated condescending statement
>>71122000
>not making the 4 corners a subtle swastica
>>71125220
>Then you're not a patriot.
Obviously. Nobody owes me anything, and I don't owe them anything, and least of all because which geographic region I live on, or what the color of my skin is.
>>71125345
B-but other people shouldn't do things that I don't like!
>>71122000
Mutualist libertarian.
>>71125345
>Implying that Stalin failed
>Implying that he didn't have the west trembling.
>Implying that he didn't turn a 3rd world shithole into a 1st world superpower.
Someone tell me what mutualism really is?
>>71122000
>activism is a political orientation
wat
>>71125586
>muh nationalist politics is the only way to solve all the problems in the world
Yeah, it worked so great last time don't you think? 75 million Europeans dead.
>>71122000
t b h i have no idea where i would fit on a political compass, my views are all over the place. im definitely libertarian in the cultural sense though
>>71125359
No you asked a leading question designed, maybe subconsciously, to dissuade other readers. Which is why you didn't ask, How would or could the pitfalls within existing theocratic governments be avoided? Or something along those lines.
I guess I'll start my own religion so it can function correctly from the start.
I call it Delusionism
>>71125567
ideally
>>71125785
Yeah a lot of these terms are inappropriate now.
>>71125785
>>71125853
My assumption is that Activism there is the pipe dream that (slack)activism and charity could supplant many government functions.
>>71125797
>nationalist
>world
>>71125742
>shillery
>left
shiggy le diggy. sanders is in the right position though, gunna need a big government to enforce all of that free shit
>>71125888
Makes sense. Vague term though.
>>71125908
>the world doesn't exist
>>71125989
are you retarded
>>71122000
I'm a national socialist. I love my country, and i love my people, simple as that.
>>71125914
> shiggy le diggy
She supports heavily expanding services and is the greatest puppet of identity politics today. She won't even consider the opposition, since the identity politics lobbyists will pay her not to. Also she was big into more huge services and tax hikes (1 trillion tax hikes over 10 years) even before Sanders was a thing.
but yes I put her a bit far left
also politicalcompass.com is biased towards kooks like Sanders
>On /pol/
>not national socialist
Reddit is down the hall on the right, guise
>>71124713
I don't get why you're telling me this?
Maybe I shouldve added that one of the reasons I don't know anything about economics is because I can't be bothered to learn about it. It's incredibly boring. I just simply do not care.
>>71122000
mfw syndicalism
>what
>>71125727
>Russia
>First world
Do you even know what the worlds are? it doesn't refer to a standard f living, it refers to cold war politics, referring to the Earth being split in 3. First World is the western side of the Iron Curtain, the half of Europe and America that doesn't trade or work with commies. Second world is Russia, and its dependents (Cuba, etc.). Second World was a bunch of commie shitholes that only lasted as long as they did because of Russian support. Most were embargoed by First World. Third World is any nation not involved in either alliance (Africa, India, etc.). Nobody wanted anything to do with them because they were shit poor and had nothing of value to offer.
People need to stop using these terms because the cold war is over, damn it. The context is completely lost now.
>>71122000
Somewhere around here.
>>71125742
I always found Cruz being the conservative candidate while Trump is more capitalist
>>71126099
>Not realizing /pol/ is satire
>No true scotsman
>>71124707
>tfw so irrelevant that not even 4chan has updated our flag
>>71126078
>>71126228
>The context is completely lost now.
I'm not entirely sure. China/Russia were second world and while China is hoping to move along to first world in appearance, it's still operating under largely second-world politics.
Russia however is reverting to some weird form of mild conservative fascism under Putin, I wouldn't even know how to classify it. It's kind of the direction China isn't heading, since it's not conservative. It's almost like there's America/some Latin states/East Europe which are rather capitalist (and throw in, say, Japan), the socialist-leaning European states along with the rest of south America, then Russia in its own thing (and perhaps the Arab nations in a sense), and China with some south asian areas.
I'd put India into its own thing (some form of far right capitalism, with a retardedly weak state) but it's not really anything of note so nobody cares
How fucked am I?
(6,4)
>>71127646
bretty good, very sensible, not annoying about it.
Honestly, being a fucking neet and not being the type to accept handouts. I see shit (here and on YouTube) that tries to blame the unemployment on capitalism, but if that were true it wouldn't only exist in the youth. It really makes sense when you realise diversity hiring is more likely for junior positions and that if a (single) position can't be filled with those parameters, it might not be filled at all thus contributing to unemployment.
Affirmative action is the single biggest issue for libertarians who believe in a free market, there is good reasoning to suggest it's contributing to an economically significant statistic.
>>71127866
I generally try not to talk about politics though. Except with you faggits
>>71126078
Which site is that?
>>71122000
>what it actually is
Fuck off with all of your special snowflake political groups
>>71129157
i always found it interesting that we resort to belittling others who disagree with us on the basis of ideology whether it be political economical or religious/non-religious
>>71122000
Anarchist
>>71122000
X 0 Y -1
Nice dubdubtrips.
Rate me fellow americans
>>71130836
holy shit i didn't even realize i got quads
>>71129837
Die in a fire.
>>71131638
point proven
>>71131776
fuck off commie
>>71126511
>but the natsocs on pol arent true natsocs
>>71122000
meritocratic capitalism
people that get power and resources are the people that actually work for it.
The first hardest part is making sure to stop opportunists(such as people that get rich though unethical means or people that inherited large wealth but use it poorly) and to make sure that poor people that are willing to work hard get a chance to actually work and climb the social ladder.
The second hardest part is finding a way to deal with stagnation which will eventually happen because nothing can grow forever.
too idealistic to exist
>>71131849
These threads are always full of people that think the nazis were national socialists (instead of what they were: fascists). It's a real pain to have to explain the difference every time.
>>71132021
>it's really annoying to have to be right
>while he posts no evidence
>>71131267
That's pretty far right. Don't believe in any form of welfare?
>>71132069
It's my fault for not having written up a copypasta for it.
tl;dr is that Hitler named the party NatSoc to capitalize on the idea, but not the actual execution (same as the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, which is a totalitarian dictatoriship).
National Socialism is a leftist ideology, and rightfully on the left of that graph. But the name is always associated with Hitler's brand of fascism now (which is arguably on the right, though fascism is so different from other ideologies and not specifically defined enough to satisfy everyone), so it's kind of poisoned the well. It's ultimately a semantic issue, but a lot of politics revolves around those semantics.
>>71132403
and why isn't the actual execution national socialist,get to the point
>>71125727
>which is now the world's largest drug market and people with HIV outside of Africa.
Dude Russia is shit and it's hilarious that they are one of the 2 countries that could pose a threat to America. Face it the American way of capitalism is the most powerful and productive form of economics known to man.
>>71131804
not a communist
>>71131804
for a brit you sound an awful lot like an american circa 1950
>>71132486
Because national socialism is based around solidarity, the working class, trade unions, the state providing serviceds, etc. It's a non-individualistic version of socialism.
Hitler destroyed the trade unions, stepped on the working-class (which were the ones that opposed his ideology), and made Germany's economy rely on capitalistic monopolies.
National Socialism is something Hitler greatly opposed, since it was similar enough to communism and you know how the nazi party felt about communism.
>>71132839
>>71133068
Nazism and Communism were similar collective ideologies. Nazi and Soviet high commands alike remarked at how easy it was to turn a communist into a nazi and vice versa.
(Classical) Liberals however, were a lost cause. Libertarianism is the true opposite ideologically to Nazism and Communism. Liberalism was the true enemy of Nazism.
Nationalist : (
Did I do okay?
>>71122000
why cant you make the letters fucking black? these colors are bright as fuck
>>71133684
Rational. But you don't really have any strong convictions, which makes you weak and forgettable. You would be easily swayed.
Can someone explain to me how libertarian socialism is a thing? its an oxymoron
How is social democracy lower in the authoritarian scale because it aims to help muh poor people?
>>71133969
I just.... I just want everyone to be free goddammit
I use to be in the green what the fuck have you done to me /pol/?
>>71134067
Then why not further down the chart? You centrist Y-axis implies a trust in government intervention.
>>71122000
How is nationalism authoritarian? If it must be pigeonholed on that spectrum, it leans libertarian. People are naturally tribalist, and nationalism plays to that, so it will naturally come about with greater liberty. Conversely, you have to outright force or brainwash people to be multicultural.
>>71134045
libertarian socialists support strong unions, direct democracy, but oppose state control of the economy. It's a fairly broad ideology. Individual freedom, social equality, but no authoritarianism.
>>71122000
X: 4, Y:-2
>>71134454
you cant tell me the only difference between libertarianism and libertarian socialism is that one likes unions
Also Anarcho - Communism?
like what the fuck
no government but there is a government
>>71125742
Trump is actually not very conservative, at least not in the conservative is actually defined nowadays. He's more of a capitalist centrist Republican, he doesn't really have any sort of care or worry about social issues at all. He just wants to see our economy and military be strengthened.
>>71134454
So, if I'm basically against any and all government regulation regarding personal liberties eg substances consumed, activities partaken in, free speech etc... but I support a socialist, left-wing approach to the economy... what am I?
>>71134710
>What is collective social organisation
>>71122000
It doesn't tell if you're against immigration and internationalism, or for ethnic homogenity. It's just answers the questions of "how much state" and "how much economic freedom".
>>71134953
That always sounded too idealistic to me. People will abandon an ideaology if it doesn't appease them100% of the time unless they are forced to by a government entity.
>>71133793
i didn't make the chart
Not sure why it's in that place. In another one quize I got social patriot, I believe.
Im a fascist /fundmetalist
>>71123726
>Social democracy
Seems about right, though I would like to add "national" as a prefix
>>71135400
Ted Cruz?
>>71134953
>Anarchist communism and communist anarchism is a theory of anarchism which advocates the abolition of the state, capitalism, wage labour, and private property (while retaining respect for personal property) and in favor of common ownership of the means of production direct democracy, and a horizontal network of voluntary associations and workers' councils with production and consumption based on the guiding principle: "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need".
>people can vote to take away your shit
How isnt this authoritarian?
Bottom right.
>muh roads
People that are not a centrists are most likely silly cotton heads.
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>>71126078
>>71126666
Being national socialist is really about love though. You want to bring out the full potential of both yourself and want to see your own people do the same. A national socialist state creates the conditions that facilitate this. It's about striving for a better future and that necessarily involves sacrifice in some way.
The second world war was mainly a defensive war by the Third Reich against aggressive outside forces that felt threatened by Germany's rise from the ashes. The fact that Hitler killed himself was an ultimate act of defiance against the forces that ruthlessly smashed the grand nation he constructed with the German people. It's comparable to the honorable act of a captain
going down with his sinking vessel.
>>71122118
>Money should equal power.
That's just aristocracy with less cool bling.
>>71122000
>being nationalist makes you authoritarian
fuck off
>>71123726
I am whichever a hyper homogeneous tribalist nation like Japan falls into. They don't have to resort to government sponsored fascism so legally speaking enjoy many freedoms, but they all fall in line due to social pressure to not be openly degenerate in public or try to upset the traditional values.
>>71135993
truth hurts doesnt it friend
>>71135492
>voluntary
>authoritarian
Ancoms basically believe that people would voluntarily tax their output for the good of the community
LET'S GO BOYS
>>71136052
I don't see how this fits anywhere
what are you implying
>>71136126
>abolition of the state
>make councils and associations
and then what happens when someone says "oy vey comrade, you arent taxing yourself enough"
anarcho communism sounds like shit
I'm a communist in family matters, fascist with the boys, capitalist at work and anarchic with the state.
