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>>71085205
lousy b8
I reply with the answer: "no"
>>71085269
not an argument
>>71085363
lots of facts
But isn't gravity a scientific "law" whereas climate change is a theory?
Also most people that are characterized as "climate change deniers" usually just say "the West enacting climate change policies won't do dick because of China, India, and Russia"
>>71085205
Such a fucking DB. Anyone who thinks humans will get their energy from fossil fuels in the 2100's is a fucking moron. Making a death cult based on a future that will never happen.
>>71085811
Gravity is a theory. Climate change is a hypothesis.
>>71086475
>>71085811
Wait, i take that back.
Gravity is a theory. Climate change is a theory. Global warming is a hypothesis.
>>71085205
That's...
>le magic black science man
>>71085205
When confronted with that i say that a doctor has as much property in discussing light bulbs as a mailman.
You see, since he works in exclusive fields; Astrophysics, Physical cosmology and Science communication. His opinion on the weather is as funded as the opinion of anyone else on the planet.
A scientist that knows a great deal about insects doesnt hate to know anything else in depth to do his job and to be famous for doing it.
>more plant food is bad
I believe climate change is real and dangerous. One of the few things on which I disagree with Trump.
Even on the off chance Man isn't causing it, it's still going to kill us all. We need to deal with it.
We can only rebuild destroyed cities so many times. We can only move farming away from permanent draught so many times.
Climate change = hotter summers, colder winters and more intense storms. We're fucked if we don't stop it
>>71087316
Nice engrish my dude
>>71087644
good luck disagreeing with the meperor trump on even one issue without a punch of /pol/ shits saying 'you need to go back'
they think even slight criticism of ONE of many trumps policies must just be a 'subtle shill'
>>71087839
I've disagreed with him on lots of points and had reasonable discussion about it. Just don't be a faggot and offer a reasonable opinion.
That's the difference between Trump people and literally everyone else. We're actually reasonable, thinking people.
I disagreed with Trump on Apple too actually, rather strongly. Still doesn't mean for a second I don't support him 150%.
>we should like stop using the fuel that builds civilizations and ignore nuclear because that obviously isn't any good
t. statist solutions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5SO1RdCYdQ
Unless you can make gravity stop existing I don't believe in it.
>>71087644
>>71087839
I disagree with him strongly on the apple iphone lock incident and I think a LOT of /pol/ agrees with that but at the end of the day he's still by far the best candidate.
I'm not literally Trump, so I will never hold every exact view he has and wouldn't ever expect to do so with a leader. As long as it's open for discussion though, and there are no other candidates that agree with you on more, or more important topics, it's fine.
>>71087644
Climate change is real. It has always been real. But is is not man made.
Nobody denies climate change. Its literally impossible to do so. The climate changes every single day that passes and it is unpredictable.
And no, climate change does not necessarily mean temperature spikes of cold and hot weather.
"Climate change" as it is branded now, used to be "Global warming" and after it started to get contradicted by in depth studies it changed its name in an attempt to use the momentum previously had from global warming.
Now i am not really that bothered to go look out for specifics for you, but there are discovery channel documentaries from 2005 that say some "mountains will be deprived of snow at its peak within the decade" and when looked at nowadays, they are still as covered as they were before. And when it comes to the sea rising and taking shores, same thing. "Within 10 years it will be gone" 10 years have passed and they are still there.
It is just the leftist mean of fearmongering.
>>71087774
tnx
>>71085269
Not a single solar project has ever been able to make a return.
>>71088056
Nuclear is the future.
It will only get better once more money is invested into its brilliance.
Ayy lmao
>>71085205
ask him to scientifically define gravity and watch what happens.
the same thing that happens when you ask people about proof of global warming;
nothing.
>>71086038
if we manage to shift from civilization type zero to 1 but yes you are right only technology can make us better
>2016
>Burning the hydrocarbon jew
>Not going nuclear
It's like you hate technological progress or something
>>71085205
Comparing global warming to gravity is a false analogy. There is NOTHING you can do to prevent gravity. There IS stuff that you do to prevent global warming.
Nigger science man can eat a dick
>>71088355
>The climate changes every single day that passes and it is unpredictable.
very funny
>climate change does not necessarily mean temperature spikes of cold and hot weather.
Yes it does. Due to ocean/air circulation from the poles to the equator, a significant deviation from the current climate processes means that those elements of the climate get more concentrated in their areas; equator gets hotter, poles get colder.
>But is is not man made.
I don't know for sure, or care, whether it's man made. It's still going to destroy farmland, flood cities and raise ocean levels and cause more frequent damaging storms. We need to stop it somehow.
>>71088652
>type zero to 1
We're type 1 already. Next step is 1.5-2 when we start offworld mining and energy production.
>>71088959
no we are not lol the proof of that is if a large meteor hit this planet in next 5 years we would face extintion like the dinos
A type 1 civilization would be able to travel planets
>>71085205
>"coincidence"
>>71089274
The Kardashev scale is built on power consumption. Present human power consumption is stage 1 by definition.
>>71088887
He CAN, or he SHOULD?
Is this based on something you know, or something you desire?
>>71089293
>no number of pirates chart
>no number of planets charts
>no number of CRT monitors chart
This seems incomplete and unreliable, mate.
>>71089456
plus even black popscience man is says that we'd be at mars within a 10 months if there was any sort of competition. 1 to make the craft, 9 to get there.
>>71087644
How do you fight a natural process?
>>71088715
We are coming out of an ice age.
That's why there is still so much ice in the poles.
There is literally nothing you can do to prevent the world from warming back up to its original temperature.
>>71088959
>Yes it does. Due to ocean/air circulation from the poles to the equator, a significant deviation from the current climate processes means that those elements of the climate get more concentrated in their areas; equator gets hotter, poles get colder.
First, the whole world is getting hotter. Not just the poles. Secondly, the climate can change in any way it wants to. It might be damaging and it might be not, It might damage some areas more than others but it doesnt have to necessarily be a bad thing. It turns dead areas into arable areas with enough time and it can also do the opposite.
>I don't know for sure, or care, whether it's man made. It's still going to destroy farmland, flood cities and raise ocean levels and cause more frequent damaging storms. We need to stop it somehow.
Again, areas who were desert might be changed into arable land. Simply because the world is shifting and climate change cannot be purely damaging, otherwise we would not be here right now.
Just as the tendency of mountains to become flat has not made the entire world a homogenous circular structure with no declivity, the climate changing tendency will not carry out the destructive tendencies forever.
It was through climate change that earth became a livable ambient to most species.
>"mup da doo didda bix nood mofuggin white boi" - black science man
>>71089456
ok they measure the level of civilization based on energy technology , yet if we face a catastrophe tomorrow we will be know by type 0 civilization limited to mortality
>>71089835
2+2=4. If I want to get 6, I change the 2's to 3's. Find what needs to change and change it
>>71089840
>It turns dead areas into arable areas with enough time and it can also do the opposite.
So we all have to relocate to central Africa to survive?
We'll have a very difficult time surviving such a massive change to how and where we live. Many won't survive. Ergo, we should stop it.
>>71090066
>if we face a catastrophe tomorrow we will be know by type 0 civilization limited to mortality
and in other news, water is wet. whats your point?
>>71089456
Not quite, but we are close. We are currently a .72 K civilization. We will need to consume something like 600 times what we currently do to reach K=1
>>71087370
Basically this. Aside from nitrogen, CO2 is the major limiting factor in plant growth.
>>71087644
First worlders don't need to worry about climate change. We are intelligent enough to be able to adapt to any changes, no matter how significant. The only ones who will suffer are the third world savages who sit around with their hands held out waiting for Whitey to rescue them. This is a good thing because less shitskins means more resources for Whitey to use to launch humanity into space.
Climate change will be the great selection pressure of our time. Only the best will survive.
>>71090145
My point is if you are limited as species to this planet only, and unable yet to alternative technology and resources and facing the risk of extintion we cannot say we are type one civilization based on our fusion and nuclear technologies as advanced that they are is not enough .
>>71090145
>So we all have to relocate to central Africa to survive?
>We'll have a very difficult time surviving such a massive change to how and where we live. Many won't survive. Ergo, we should stop it.
Climate change is slow. Very slow. It outlived any and every living thing on earth.
Remember when i was talking about discovery and their "10 year future foreseeings" that turned out to be false?
Exactly that. It is a tendency, it is changing, but the left uses it as a fearmongering tool. It is a conspiracy theory that sounds plausible and is masked as a good doer whilst not really doing anything to stop something they know is not truly a problem.
>2+2=4. If I want to get 6, I change the 2's to 3's. Find what needs to change and change it
What if the responsible for this is the sun? Or the radiation? Or the atmosphere shifting?
We cannot stop that anymore than we can stop a tsunami or an earthquake.
When you desmistify the mith it becomes something very impossible to prevent because you come to realization that it is the natural state that has ruled the lives of every single being since life existed in action.
How can we even dare to mess with that even if we could?
>>71090713
>that it is the natural state that has ruled the lives of every single being since life existed in action.
>How can we even dare to mess with that even if we could?
ancient humans thought the sun was a god and life depended on a balance of humors in your body too
We mess with it to survive
>>71090713
It's pretty much the definition of pseudoscience.
>a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.
It sounds plausible and pop science people say it's true, so there must be sound science supporting it, right?
>>71090442
>First worlders don't need to worry about climate change.
We're the most vulnerable. The US, Aus, western Europe rely heavily on convenient farming and city locality for supply chains. We have millions more people than the local land can actually support and rely on conveniently placed land elsewhere nearby.
If that changes, modern cities will die/be abandoned very quickly. You can't eat money.
>>71090145
>2+2=4. If I want to get 6, I change the 2's to 3's. Find what needs to change and change it.
That's not an answer, 2s will always be 2s and cannot be changed on a whim.
There are more atoms in your fingernail than cells in all the stars combined.
>>71091117
But you can replace them with 3's, ie change some variable in the environment.
>>71086529
Significant Anthropogenic Climate Change is also a hypothesis.
>>71091022
Maybe YOU can't feed your worthless population, but we'll ride out the apocalypse with weed and plenty of food.
>Carbon dioxide warms the earth by trapping solar radiation
>Therefore we should build solar farms to trap solar radiation
>>71091163
What we're telling you is that this variable is a much bigger component than you might be inclined to believe.
We cannot change the sun, or the atmosphere cycle, or the energy to which we're submitted to from the universe.
Those things are essential things, and changing it would be insanely hard.
So what we're saying is that, there are no policies that can be applied right now to stop climate change, so you might as well just fuel science development as much as you can while not bothering with it in the hopes of being able to do something about it in the future in case it is needed.
>>71091163
How can you change something that you have no idea what it actually causing it?
What if the 2 is the sun? How do you change the sun to a 3?
wait people don't think climate change is real?
>climate change as in, human pollution will destroy the earth in 50 years
or
>the climate of earth will never change for its entire existence
>>71091022
>Modern cities will die off quickly
Oh, those places that consume resources to produce garbage and vote Democrat/Your-Leftist-Equivalent? What devastation will be wrought by the massive decline in nonproducer population? The horror.
>>71090600
>this pic
>>71085363
i don't know why IPCC and climate change fags won't look at the rural temperatures, they've been detailed in America for over 200 years. You can find the farmers Almanac's online. There is NO correlation between the industrial revolution and temperature.
if you take the urban areas of say New York and San Diego in 1900 and compare them today, ofc the ambient temperatures are going to rise. I'm supposed to believe that "adjusting" these urban temperatures with the rural temperatures with fancy algorithms makes a correlation plausible? It doesn't make sense.
>>71091482
>>71091626
So, do you know it's the sun then? Are you saying we have no hope of even discovering the cause?
And even if it is the sun - what's the sun doing? Causing the Earth to absorb more heat? We can't change the Sun but maybe we could cause the Earth to absorb less heat.
You people really need to be spoonfed everything huh?
>>71091699
>cities are worthless because they're not farms
t. rural chinese subsistence farmer
>>71091378
Trap it as electricity instead of waste heat
>>71087997
I disagree with Trump on that nigger that ran to Russia with our data, Trump thinks he a traitor, i respect that, but i think that nigger did us all a big favor.
Also, i think Apple SHOULD unlock the phones of criminals ESPECIALLY if there is a subpeona, that is in the public's interest. wanton spying with no oversight and no warrant is a big fucking no-no. But i've never heard Trump advocate for that.
In fact, i don't think i've heard anyone advocate for that. The Intelligence community just does it with the blessing of the Senate committees.
someone post the Neil Degrasse Tyson "Chief Keef" rant from Cornell. he went off for like fifteen minutes on how "aint no nigga fuckin with chief keef" in front of an all white STEM crowd. pure insanity.
>>71091850
I'd rather the government spend tens of billions of dollars on something we know is possible to change.
>>71091850
Aside from being impossibly hard;
>make earth absorb less heat
>sun activity spikes down
>we get locked into an ice age that causes the destruction of most life... again.
I guess then we'd just change earth back to how it was before right?
Its not like we tried that before with a comet and dinosaurs.
Look, i get what you're saying. But no scientist could even begin to plan on how to go through with that.
>So, do you know it's the sun then? Are you saying we have no hope of even discovering the cause?
I am telling you that there are many causes. Literally everything related to energy is a cause.
Some bigger than others and some negligible but they are all causes.
>>71085269
Well Neil anytime you want to tell me how we are going to have industrial farms, not ruin the world with toxic chemicals from solar manufacture, a functioning transit system for goods, rockets to get into space, and plastics-all destroying society in a panicked jackboots transition--I'd love to hear it.
>>71091666
Destruction of environment via general pollution is an entirely different subject than human-caused climate change via "greenhouse gas" emission.
The former is a viable threat to ecosystems, resources, wildlife, and humanity in general. It is a concern that is inarguably a priority for ourselves and future generations to solve.
The other is a shaky and heavily politicized theory with just as shaky evidence to control people through fear and put money in peoples pockets. Stated to destroy the planet by increased severity of natural processes, yet any evidence to absolutely prove it beyond heresay statements of "officials" has failed to come forwards.
>>71085205
They are both real, but humans didn't cause either.
Good argument black science man I agree
>>71092187
>only ever do things where there's no chance of failure
Go back to your cuck shed
>>71092199
>But no scientist could even begin to plan on how to go through with that.
You too.
Learned helplessness is not a virtue you fucking faggots
>>71089482
lol
>>71092307
There are plenty of bigger concerns right now than the possible effects of climate change, and to be quite honest, there will always be.
It is not realistic to think that anyone will launch into a world changing streak affecting every single government on earth and all of its economy.
The best thing that CAN be done right now is fund scientific research.
>>71092307
>I want America to burn even more money
ok
>>71087644
Except the intensity of storms hasn't increased. You have recency bias.
Pic related destroys all the anthropogenic climate change bullshit using actual observations. The global warming effect hasn't been recorded in 18 years. That's why they stopped calling it global warming and started calling it climate change.
The climate does change but it's not as drastic as the fear mongerers are making it out to be and there is nothing we can do about it.
Black science man is also the guy trying to act like climate change will make humanity go extinct. Fucking stupid to think about when you realize we survived the ice age and the toba event when we were way less advanced. We'll adapt and survive to this too. It's what humans do. It's extremely difficult to wipe out all of humanity.
Their models are wrong, but admitting that would lead to them being out of a job.
It's an excuse to justify raising taxes and shoving shitty legislation down our throats. The government pumps in billions in order to get the results they want.
If you go against the narrative then you're attacked.
If you want a real redpill then look at how they formed that whole bullshit "97% of scientists agree" poll. Look at how they formed it.
If it was so apparent, then why lie to try and create a false consensus.
There is nothing we can do to stop a natural process that will occur with or without us.
In order to "do something" about it we'd end up having to bend over to get raped by china and other countries that don't give a shit about this stuff. It's going to cost the west way more than it'll cost them and it'll probably destroy our economies for something that'll happen anyways.
>>71092263
>yet any evidence to absolutely prove it beyond heresay statements of "officials" has failed to come forwards.
>wheres the evidence
>here it is
>THATS NOT EVIDENCE
>ok here's more
>THAT'S NOT EVIDENCE EITHER
>yes it is you retard
>YOU'RE WORKING FOR THEM ARENT YOU
pic related is you.
I bet this perspective image makes him and other warmies mad
>>71091850
>not farms
Or mines, or power plants, or factories nowadays. It's all service industries servicing each others service workers, of course the circlejerk economy will collapse the moment you take away what fuels affordable logistics.
Everything worthwhile in America is in rural areas and the cities are nothing more than nigger quarantine.
Your nations' mileage may vary, but only slightly.
>>71091850
Your not getting it, the only thing we can do to "stop" climate change is making our lives shitty and even that isn't garentee stop it or even slow it.
>>71092709
We're lucky enough not to have nogs. Cities here are busy production hubs for everything from energy production and manufacturing to programming, finance and service.
>>71092530
I'm gonna write a long response to your long and detailed quality post in a minute sir.
>>71092548
>believing the skewed papers from government funded sources
>Believing the "97%" meme
>"Th-The models they made the super computer show it's going to explode any day now!"
>Ignoring the actual satellite data contradicting every model
>Ignoring the cap off properties of CO2
>Ignoring the fact sea ice levels haven't significantly changed
>Ignoring Earth's historic warming and cooling periods lines up perfectly with what's going on
>Aussie opinion
>>71092548
Actually there is quite a bit of evidence to disprove this ACC nonsense, every time it's brought up people act like someone must've been paid off by businesses to deny climate change, or the results are swept under the rug. Quite a few politicans and scientists have provided evidence that it's a myth, but if you challenge the mythology you're attacked by the cult that believes in their sacred science.
Why do you think they no longer call it global warming? It has been almost 20 years since NASA last recorded global warming, and they had to completely reform their narrative to justify their bullshit, yet again.
Same with Antarctic actually GAINING ice.
>agh the ice caps are melting!! Water levels gonna rise!! We are all going to die
5yrs later
>agh Antarctic is gaining ice. It's changing the salt content in the ocean. We are all gonna die because reasons.
They have it set up that no matter the outcome they can still frame it in a way to support their fear mongering agenda.
In order to do the research you have to have funding. If you get your funding from the government then they'll pump a shit ton of money at you as long as you come to the right conclusion. If you come to a conclusion that disagrees with the narrative then you get your funding taken away. If you go public with that then you're blacklisted and attacked as a shill for big business.
If you secure private funding for your own research then it must be because a company paid for you to lie for them. You're attacked as a shill for big business.
Like they can't fathom that the government uses "science" to shill their agenda at a much larger scale than private businesses ever could hope to.
The mythology has all its bases covered to silence dissent. Just like any cult would.
>>71085205
For a scientist, he tends to make very illogical arguments.
>>71092530
Firstly, the data in your picture about storms is cherry-picked and massaged to look innocuous. Take a look at some of the real data.
Secondly, the rest of it does show all the increases we're talking about, it just doesn't show correlation to human activity. Even if it's not man-made it's still going to destroy us.
Thought there'd be more to write but that picture is one great steaming pile of bullshit.
>>71093479
>Take a look at some of the real data.
Meant to post pic
>>71085205
Do you believe in magic, in a young girl's heart?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDYNuD4CwlI
Anyone who has actually reviewed the evidence knows that anthropomorphic climate change is real.
That said, it's existence is not the problem, the problem is what people think is justified to do to society and countries respective political systems because of it. At this point, it's almost as if environmentalists want to have institute totalitarian government just to save the Earth.
>>71093525
Did we only start polluting in 1986 or something?
>>71085811
>But isn't gravity a scientific "law" whereas climate change is a theory?
No. Gravity ain't even a law.
Tell me, does gravity occur for all positive distances, or does it taper?
>>71085363
>justifying your disbelief in global warming with a 4chan post ( with no citations , no peer review)
>>71085205
kek
>I BELEIVE in global warming.
Shouldn't he say" I can prove Global Warming"? I mean this is science we're talking about right? Isn't the point to PROVE or DISPROVE a theory? Beliefs or believing in something isn't in the realm of science. That would be religion.
>>71085205
Fucking Sciencenigger, the effects of gravity are directly observable without having to rely on politicians and the scientists funded by them to tell us it exists.
>>71093718
It's a 10-year moving average, so it started in the mid-1970s.
Coincidentally in line with the computer revolution & beginning of true modern society.
>>71093525
Tell me, friend. When did they first start sending up satellites dedicated to monitoring weather? Specifically oceanic weather that couldn't be monitored from land or by stations just off coast? It didn't happen to be right around 85, did it :^)
>>71093718
It's when "made in China" became the thing to buy
>>71088685
What do you suggest? Putting reactors in every car to turn a turbine instead of a gas engine turning a crankshaft?
>>71094220
Technicely it's to disprove or attempt to until all viable efforts have been exhausted thus resulting in proof via failure to disprove
>>71085205
>mfw he actually said this
>>71085811
Whoever decided on the term scientific law has caused so much misunderstanding it's ridiculous
>>71085205
I'm often asked whether I believe in Satan Claus. I now just reply to them with the question: Do you believe in miracles
You sexy thang
You sexy thang you
>>71094760
So where u from
>>71089293
This curve can be seen in everything, look at our most commonly used words, they'll fit the same graph
>ITT: people still seem to be under the impression that fusion power is impossible
Pic related, a *homemade* fusion reactor.
>>71087316
Based hue
>>71091850
>>cities are worthless because they're not farms
>t. rural chinese subsistence farmer
I thought they couldn't have strawmans in Australia because it's so hot it'd burn.
>>71095365
more info please! please.
>>71095365
Mine puts out twice as many fusion reactions as yours.
>>71095399
The guy said cities are worthless because they aren't centered on production, there's no strawman there my friend.
>>71095467
Evacuate a chamber, create a voltage differential of a few million volts between conductive concentric lattices, and ions will be shed from the outer lattice and magnetically constricted into fusion in the inner lattice..
>>71094220
It's The fact it's a theory hardly matters at this point, regardless of how wrong it may be. Some countries have even considered legal action for people who deny it.
>>71095467
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5_WvmQiqz0
>>71095365
So how long until cold fusion becomes a thing?
>>71085205
>believe in gravity
>BELIEVE in gravity
>BELIEVE
therefore its just blind faith, with no source or proofs otherwise it would be I know gravity
>>71095865
Never gonna happen. It would be a violation of fundamental physics.
>>71095865
>>71096412
2025, Lockheed is building one now.
>>71093451
Scientists have rudimentary training in philosophy, if they have any training at all.
These "modern scientists" that go around proselytizing and doing little else (mostly atheists promoting their pet opinions) have a belief that philosophy is dead. They believe "science" has killed philosophy or that "science" is so vastly superior to philsophy that its necessary to dismiss it entirely.
I blame Hitchen and especially Daniel Dennett for this bullshit, but if you have an hour to spend, you can watch Lawerence Krauss get absolutely wrecked by philosophers in Stockholm. Krauss, beaten into a corner, is forced to admit that the very science he preaches to the masses is based on extrapolated empiricism and that by stretching empiricism onto the unknowns, outside of experience, science "does not work." This is an example of double think with these people, they believe so fervently in their own cleverness and the work of real science to explain adequately (not Objectively) natural phenomena that they can simply apply that to things that we can't know. Thereby believing themselves to be the "new philosopher". And in this arrogance they are utterly destroyed when faced with trained philosophers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFAko80vgwg
>>71093427
i don't actually know this, but wasn't the ice gained a lot thinner than usual or whatever? i thought i heard that
>>71096465
No they aren't.
>>71096587
or maybe the human mind is just shifting and this is a primate urge in same way as before we discovered the fire, fuck philosophy what moves you are atoms not words from a type 0 civilization comunication that is not even telephatic. Embrace science and technology or die human it is that simple
>>71096587
Start at 35:02 if you want to watch Krauss admit what i just said.
>>71096739
http://mobile.eweek.com/news/lockheed-martin-claims-sustainable-fusion-is-within-its-grasp.html
...yes, yes they are.
>>71096587
>Muh scientism meme.
It's really hilarious, because these retarded scientists become the standard for what is judged as a whole for the scientific community, meanwhile if someone shit talks Continental philosophy by referencing Jacques Derrida's goontalk, every single faggot comes out of the woodwork expecting you to not smear the entirety of Continental philosophy just because he is retarded.
>>71097175
Sustainable fusion =/= Cold fusion
Jesus christ /pol/ is so FUCKING dumb. Like holy shit... did any of you even get a fucking education? This thread is so sad to read, how the fuck can you be this ignorant and claim to be "red pilled"?
Kill yourselves please.
>>71096806
Cala boca cara. Soh pq vc nao pode imagino q coisas eh possivel meio nao que eh. Essa nos permite a entende os verdades basicos e olha a coisas de outro angolo.
>>71096806
>>71097391
It was philosophy, not science, that led Newton to discover gravity from the apple. Archimedes realized that Earth orbits the sun not with math but with philosophy.
>>71097355
Yes, whatever you say Svoik. Don't forget to keep your wifes daughter away from the bull, Tyrone gets grabby when he has a sexual emergency.
>>71096806
Clearly your culture's history of interbreeding with niggers has affected your reading comprehension skills.
You cannot extrapolate explanations of phenomena (which is what science is) onto things that are unknown. It doesn't work. What Krauss and you are doing is making a value judgement. But this is ridiculous because philosophy is entirely in the realm of the abstract, it can be helpful in some ways in the physical, empirical realm. Likewise, science, while adequate to explain physical phenomena simply does not work in the abstract realm. Science, at its core, is a methodology. If you do not follow that methodology, you are not doing science. There is no debate.
Denying the abstract in favor of the physical is exactly why scientists are failures at non-operational sciences and exactly why science is historically a series of failures. Separating the two leads to such ridiculous notions as common descent and Determinism, that are not inductive or deductive but wholly necessary to fit in the paradigm of Metaphysical Naturalism. This is the irony, that rejecting philosophy as a whole, while relying upon it entirely as an a priori premise. You and Krauss just don't seem to like other philsophies outside or your own materialistic/naturalistic/positivistic/physicalistic worldview.
>>71097391
speak english hue bro its easier for other to undersatnd and me cause that reply of yours is a mess to understand .
Anyway philosophy is a construct of the mind so philosophy comes after physics , not saying is not a good or bad construct just saying first comes physics
this stupid nigger also openly rejects God. I'm so fucking sick of these jew humping sub-human shit stains.
>>71097662
physics first phylosophy after and then science
>>71097664
>not understanding brazillian portuguese
Git gud senpai, don't blame your cultural shortcomings on me. Blame it on your lack of philosophy
>>71097662
a small addendum:
ideas like Determinism and Common Descent (which are not methodological science, that is to say non-science) are PRE-REQUISITES, not just necessary, but required by and for materialism. You cannot have a materialistic world without an explanation of origins, you cannot have an explanation of materialism without an explanation of consciousness, thereby pigeon-holing their premises to require wholly material explanations. The entire thing is begging the question fallacies.
>>71097901
Sorry but your sentence was a bit confusing I understand part of it but the sense was hard to define
>>71097901
Do you build a house and then make plans for the house?
Like i said, you are trying to separate something that is inherently inseparable for ideological reasons necessary for your own philosophy to even work.
>>71098057
STFU faggot, just because you can't imagine things are possible doesn't mean they aren't. It allows us to understand basic truths and look at things from another angle.
>>71098135
I think you replied to the wrong person
>>71097871
>>71098221
sorry see
>>71098135
>>71098165
>having to translate this guy's own language for him
No wonder Brazil is a world power and portugal is a shitty little resort town in the asshole of Europe.
>>71097355
Not an argument.
>>71098344
Portugal has a long history of trading slaves with their African neighbors.
They were big into trading their sex slaves, some of it must have rubbed off down the line.
>>71097355
you kill yourself jesus maybe some of us hate you
Earth is getting closer to the sun, inch by inch. Earth gets warmer.
Omfg global warming is caused by humanity. K.
Do you even gravity?
>>71085205
global warming is nothing more than communist expansion.
false equivalence
>>71095742
lol reminds me of another scientific theory. natural selection.
>>71098344
more like favela power
>>71085269
False on so many levels. A single volcanic eruption can put out more CO2 then all fossil fuels burned by humans in the entirety of human history.
>>71098734
Sadly natural selection doesn't work very well in a technological society.
>>71098836
volcanoes happen when hell breaks loose into our world.
>>71098674
oh please america you have a African origin Leader and its not any prob for me if the person is competent witch is not the case, plus your country was founded by the work of slaves until the slave law was abolish why you want to be a uptigh racing horse
>>71099036
>why you want to be a uptigh racing horse
maybe you'd better stick to portuguese
>>71098734
not scientific more like biological theory , ence Darwin was a biologist
well is really great you give short leach to science cause that leaves space for physics do the hard work and make shit done and delivered as ever been done
>>71098836
That doesn't sound right, you sure about that?
>>71098924
lol Looks like the progressives are doing a fine job. Seems like it would count as natural selection as well. Too bad they're going to throw it all away on appeasing the mudshits.
>>71099185
why you dont know what is a racing horse?
the polar ice caps are growing
>>71085205
It's hopeless. We have this discussion every day on /pol/, and every day we realize that most of /pol/ doesn't believe in global warming/gravity/science.
I guess we can hope that at least somebody reads this and decides that science is real. Maybe eventually we can make this board not retarded
>>71091763
Yes because it's not like we have any other proxy data, like animal migration patterns or anything that's not affected by heat island effect
>oh wait we do
>>71099036
1% of Americans owned slaves. Obama is half-white. most slaves were in the south, not the north. In fact, they struggled to even find work in the North, they all had jobs in the South. But they still wouldn't have built shit if some white guy hadn't designed and paid for it.
We've been cursed with niggers for around 300 years. You've been cursed with niggers for over 2000.
>>710882755
>corporations should be allowed to ignore warrants
>i think a lot of /pol/ agrees
no.
CO2 is very weak in terms of greenhouse gasses. It's methane and water vapor we ought to be concerned with.
>>71091666
/pol/ doesn't do science very well. That's why they support an anti-vaxxing science-denialist for US President.
>>71099362
>Maybe eventually we can make this board not retarded
Fat chance, you should've seen the fail thread about the Monty Hill problem earlier today.
>>71099463
Shut up Cruz, you have no supporters here.
>>71099463
You mean people here don't fall for appeals to authority and popularity.
"climate change" is not really science, its more of a contested phenomena. There is some science involved, but not enough to convince me that humans are the cause.
This boils down to cum hoc fallacy; correlation does not imply causation, and yet here you are advocating for it.
>>71085811
Partially true, since most of the US coal is exported to China and India
>>71096587
Philosophy is worthless though.
It's all abstractions and subjectivism.
Of course if you debate rationalism with subjectivism, the latter will win, because it has no basis of comparison and cannot be judged objectively.
I can't "prove" nihilism or absurdism with any kind of measurement or grade, it's all postulating.
Moreover, unlike rationalism, which directly contributes to human progress, it has no real-world application and the only purpose it serves is inflating the already considerable egos of pseudo-intellectuals who live in a world where their statements can't be challenged or disproven.
>>71089293
>shrimp aquaculture
Well that explains everything.
>>71099207
biology isn't science? How utterly exclusionary! I could see you saying that about psychology but biology?
>>71085205
>>71085269
Can you guess which of these statements, including the one I posted, he was told to say, and which he came up with on his own?
Predictions vs actual temp
>>71100974
>actual temp
Why should I trust balloons or satellites over shit actually measured from the ground?
>>71101221
You're asking why you would trust balloons to measure mid-tropospheric temperatures over doing it from the ground?
"Often people in /pol/ ask me if i belive in god. I now just reply with the question :
Do you belive in gravity ?"
>>71101412
Why are mid-troposphere temperatures the thing I should be caring about?
Oh look its americas token science nigger
>>71101453
Are you trolling?
Where else would you measure temperatures in the troposphere without significant bias from ground level heat
>>71101548
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WX7aWsxe9yw
>>71101453
Satalite and balloons are a preferred method of temperature because they can't take a wide range of readings and are minimaly effected by ground heat radiation.
>>71101675
Can you answer my question instead of linkin a 9 minute video with no explanation?
Construct an argument based on the information presented in the video.
>>71100529
probably the moronic third one that even his leftest dick suckers didn't defend
>>71100037
Philosophy is the act of thinking, thinking is absolutely not worthless. Before asking a question, there is need of an inductive or deductive mental process.
Furthermore, its as i said before, you are making a value judgement. But i am not criticizing empirical science, but extrapolated, non-empirical science. What Krauss is engaged in IS philosophy. And philosophy has intrinsic to itself, logic by which to determine merit. Saying you cannot "prove" one philosophy implies that you can "prove" something physically (with science). This is absolutely not true, there is no proof in science, there is no objectivity or facts or truth in science.
Science is a methodology based on philosophy for determining merit and this methodology is logic. We just accept certain premises to be true a priori, premises that would obliterate science as meaningful if they were to be changed, such as the stability of reality. We assume that reality is stable enough to test against, but assume that is incorrect and all of your so called proofs are no longer intellectually validated, but are in fact blind increments of cause and effect.
When you criticize philosophy, you are criticizing the basis of science. You are really trying to criticize other philosphies that you don't agree with, and are doing so in a petty, fedora tipping manner.
1) Anthopogenic Global Warming
2) Science
Pick one
>>71085205
>implying global warming is as self-evident as "I will fall back down if I jump"
Even if you support climate change this statement makes no sense.
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