You guys are of course aware that scientific racism has made a comeback yes?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_10,000_Year_Explosion
pdf just for fun, it's a fairly quick read, bit repetitive:
https://lesacreduprintemps19.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/the-10000-year-explosion-how-civilization-accelerated-human-evolution-2009-by-gregory-cochran-henry-harpending.pdf
Of course some of the conclusions are not very /pol/friendly, especially the bit about Indo-Europeans succeeding because they can drink milk, and Ashkenazi Jews being inherently more intelligent than everyone else, but this should be a cause for celebration for you guys I would imagine.
>>71085104
>Ashkenazi Jews being inherently more intelligent than everyone else
they objectively are due to years of finance based eugenics
>>71085399
I should not however that they have low visual IQs which is why they are so useless at drawing, engineering, and everything else that's useful irl.
>>71085453
source on low Ashkenazi visual IQs
http://web.mit.edu/fustflum/documents/papers/AshkenaziIQ.jbiosocsci.pdf
Looks interesting, thanks.
>>71085104
I was disappointed that this book discussed more on the theoretical mechanisms why human populations would differ. They didn't discuss too many examples where human evolution did occur.
>>71085104
Its not that hard to believe look at the difference in skulls from Euro-based Caucasians to People that come from Africa, the Americas, Asia, Australia and Oceania. HUGE differences. Some people have even mistaken neanderthal skulls to modern day african americans
>>71085453
Jew engineer here. Meh it could be worse.
>>71085399
>>71085663
>>71085816
I actually found the book both somewhat convincing and genuinely a bit enlightening. Four main reasons-
1. The emphasis on the interplay of cultural and biological evolution, ie. each causing the other. What seems like a very obvious conclusion, but was not open to me because I basically did assume that evolution had stopped since humans spread out of Africa.
2. The idea that populations are not static. The book points out that the Ashkenazi of 1900 are not those of 1000, and certainly not those of before. This applies to all peoples, ethnicities are in constant flux.
3. Ethnicities do not just evolve, they intermingle. If neanderthals created the outpouring of art in the great leap forward by giving us their genes, it did not stay just with them, it has spread to every ethnicity on earth. This means that inter-ethnic mating can have very interesting results of different kinds.
4. This is the most controversial one I suppose, and that it is possible, and perhaps likely, that groups of different populations are inherently different on average. This is obviously true for visual characteristics and genetics, but might also be for the genes involved in intelligence and behavior. The Ashkenazi section is the best evidence for this.
However, I was not impressed with the level of rigor used in many examples. Not even being a scientist, confounding variables jumped out at me in about half the examples they cited, and many were simply too vague. I believe they have a very valid argument and very interesting new historical method outlined here, but a lot of the actual application of the science seemed sloppy.
>>71085104
>Ashkenazi Jews being inherently more intelligent than everyone else
kike propaganda
>>71086539
It does a good job explaining simple concepts. I'd recommend it, adios america, and the bell curve to introduce normies to the alt-right.
It should be noted that a very large portion of Muslims are genetically inferior. This is because of a 1400 year habit of marrying 1st cousins. Basically, the religion cucked their gene pool.
>>71086036
do all your jewish theoretical physicist friends shit on you like in the Bazinga show?
>>71086957
Does the altright talk much about evolutionary theory? The only person I've really read is Mencius Moldbug, who I find endlessly entertaining. I don't know about some of his conclusions but I'm glad I've been introduced to H.S. Maine, Thomas Carlyle, and some of the other Victorians.
>>71086763
listen nigga, you dont take over the world by being a moron
>>71085104
>>71086763
>White pride?! T-that's bigoted, unscientific racism, goy!
>Ashkenazi Jews are naturally more intelligent? Well, you can't argue with the facts..
>>71085104
My only question is how do you explain 22 yr old black virgins? As a nigger I'm happy with admitting the negroid species is stupid, lazy and violent. I don't really feel a need to pretend I'm civilized or capable of anything useful. The only that upsets me is being a virgin in my 20s
>>71087005
The book argues that marrying only in-tribe can actually create 'benefits', citing the Ashkenazi as its only really developed example. I don't know if that necessarily entails cousin marrying but its the same kind of principle. There were a host of other factors that produced them apart from that however. What's very interesting is that Judaic social mores played a very important part in their evolution.
The 'benefits' however include things like debilitating diseases which confer slight cognitive advantages, so it's a bit unsure how beneficial it really is.
>>71087306
(((Moldbug))) isn't really interested in racial realism, but he's NRX. Jared Taylor is a good resource if you're interested in the basics of racial realism.
>>71087487
The book is really not saying that being 'black' is inferior, and the entire idea that the African peoples are homogenous is just ridiculous. It doesn't actually talk much about Africans, there's a segment on disease resistance being crucial to them not meeting the fate of the Native Americans upon European colonization. There is also a very interesting comparison between some West African pastoral peoples who have developed lactose tolerance, and their warlike expansionist behavior which mirrors the proto-indo-europeans who went on to conquer much of the world.
Watched an interview of Toni Morrison in my world lit class and all the Liberal fucktards in the class kept spouting that race isn't based in science.
>>71087487
Go find a black chick that isn't stupid and is a virgin.
Your quest will be nearly impossible.
This author Henry Harpending was based. He had a popular redpilled science blog. He just died like two weeks ago.
>>71087759
>The book is really not saying that being 'black' is inferior
We are an inferior species never call us people again. Believe me we niggers are nothing but crack dealers and rapists. I just wish I was able to get laid
>>71085104
Sociobiologist here.
I was asked to step down from my community college side job as a professor for literally teaching this book
>>71087541
You want to be at least out to 2nd cousin and 3rd is even better. 1st cousin is close enough to cause inbreeding depression. Muslims do a lot of 1st cousin marriage. It has measurable ill effects on both physical and mental health as well as causing cognitive disabilities. Their religion is already fucking twisted and they're making themselves more prone to violent outbursts through inbreeding.
>>71087835
>Go find a black chick that isn't stupid and is a virgin.
I wish fellow niggers would fuck me but they won't. I'm like 5ft 6in and that's just too short for my fellow chimps
>>71087654
Moldbug is most definitely racist, in the classical sense of the term. He brings up IQ semi-regularly.
Mostly though he's interested in his bizarre neo-monarchical, california Tech libertarian reinvention of Nobility, but without any violence. His entire philosophy is strange to me but there is no doubt he's very intelligent, and being subversive is its own kind of intellectual stimulus.
I'm not really interested in racial differences so much as history. In so far as they relate to history I find them instructive, but it isn't a political question for me.
>>71087977
>black
>can't get laid
what Berenstain universe did I just phase into?
Jews are the master race
>>71088088
It's a more interesting political question in america as it's a mystery meat country. You'll be more insulated for atleast a decade.
>>71088021
if true, thats quite interesting. how did it end, out of curiosity?
>>71088226
There are niggers who can't get laid. Even fat girls hate me. It's fucked up because besides crime and sports sex is the only thing black people manage to do. I'm cut out of any purpose
>>71088226
A+ webm you got there.
I never understood why /pol/ constantly pushes the Jews as the ultimate boogeyman. I understand why Jews get hate, given that a lot of their intellectuals are the progenitors and propagators of almost all leftist though, but the idea that jews are orchestrating a genocidal plot to eradicate the white race never made sense to me. In order to believe this you have to come to terms with the fact that the Jews have basically swallowed the same brand of cyanide-laced universalism Kool-Aid that they’ve been prescribing to everyone else, and that consequently, they, too, are diminishing in numbers alongside the European Goyim. If anything, what we're witnessing is one giant collective White and Jew ethnic suicide.
>>71085816
What are Native American and Indian people? I assume Native Americans are Mongoloid and Indians are caucasian but might be wrong
>>71089012
Read the culture of critique. It's not that they have a cabal, it's that they have an insane selfserving narrative that they've kept for millenia.
>>71089012
If anybody on this board would fucking read Oswald Spengler, who for referencing I am accused of being from here, regardless of nobody here having read him, they would find answers for this question.
European late-culture forms are infectious because of the overwhelming dominance of European power, technological and intellectual. Jews literally just jumped at the ability to be able to use their intelligence in the scientific explosions of the Late West, once the persecution had laid off a bit. Their cultural patterns, presevered for at least 1000 years, and Judaism, for far longer, were completely disrupted by being exposed to Western culture. As /pol/ loves to point out they became the consummate Leftists.(and scientists).
It literally exactly mirrors the Roman Empire, the Arabic world after Mohammed, the Indians after Bhudda, the Chinese after the Warring states period. It's the same pattern over and over again. It ends in declining birth rates, atheism, technological advances, mass immigration, rise in mental disorders, death of the classical art forms, origin of 'popular music', populist revolts, etc.
I mean even just declining birth rates is a mathematical certainty, forget the other stuff.
>>71085399
Never thought about that and you are right.
>>71088082
nothing is more repulsive than self-loathing, maybe work on that a bit.
>>71085816
>mongoloid has a hat
The prophesy is true.
>>71089099
Your assumption is correct.
>>71085399
>they objectively are due to years of finance based eugenics
Is it possible to achieve that in only what, 1,000 years?
>>71089307
>Read the culture of critique.
This.
>>71089692
Also this.
>>71089099
>>71090044
Indians comprise a massive amount of ethnic and lnguistic diversity. Northern Indians are partly indo-european in both.
>>71090372
>Is it possible to achieve that in only what, 1,000 years?
The answer appears to be yes. Emphatically yes, even. Though it wasn't just 'finance-based'
>>71090532
I just ask because normally when I've heard about evolution it's remarked that 1,000 years isn't enough time to impact something so dramatically. Can you expand on "finance-based"?
>>71090830
That's actually why I made this thread so i would direct you to the pdf I linked in the OP.
Briefly though the arguments I found convincing can be seen summarized here:
>>71086539
And the general gist of it is just that evolution can happen enormously rapidly, and that sudden changes in living style, due to cultural innovations, accelerate this. It gives examples for this happening in both artificial selection(eg dogs) and natural selection(mentions certain developments since the change in environment due to the ice age ending), as well as the special human case which is a bit of both.
>>71090830
As for 'finance-based', the book mentions the fact that the Ashkenazi were very strict about only marring other Jews in their area, an ancient Judaic concept, that was just important in their evolution as their finance-based occupations, since it didn't allow inter-breeding with the European populations, which would dilute any effects of natural selection.
>>71091056
>That's actually why I made this thread so i would direct you to the pdf I linked in the OP.
Shit, sorry, I'm used to OP always being a faggot on this board and never linking to what they are referencing, apologies.
Thank you for the TLDR, I can agree with most of these, my only thoughts though are that I think more than some quasi-mystical genetic explanation, Ashkenazi IQ can be easily explained by their low-population/high investment strategy amongst their children in contrast to the more numerous and less educated Goyim strategy needed for having a successful agricultural society. If you tracked the IQ of royalty from the middle ages somehow you'd probably find that they were higher than average also because royalty had less children and spent more time/money on them. Also, the intermarriage thing is not really isolated to Jews, it's true of most Euro villages and religious groups until the early 20th century.
>>71088073
My second cousin is sexy as fuck but from what I hear shes a major slut
>>71090830
1000 is about 30-40 generations, ya I'd say that is enough to get a good 10-20 iq points if you're really selective.
>>71092413
Then I think I we are very much in agreement. I never discount the mystic however, because science has a bad track record, it is constantly disproven,whereas religion, while terrible at mapping reality, does seem to speak to people over longer periods. Im not religious myself but I can't throw it away completely.
>>71089692
Where should I start with Spengler?
>>71089692
Does he give good explanations as to why it happens and as to why we can never seem to prevent it from happening?
>>71093865
Literally just read the Decline of the West. If you have no prior education in history or philosophy it might be difficult, but that book is a fucking goldmine.
Seriously just look at the list of people he influenced, it's open to view on Wikipedia of all places.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oswald_Spengler#Influence
Somehow both Wittgenstein and Heidegger the two leading and opposing heads of branches of philosophy in the 20th century.
Random people as dispersed as LEftists Canadians and Nazis.
The beat poets.
F Scotts Fitzgerald, a self-identified AMerican Spenglerian
Numerous historians. Caroll Quigley is not mentioned but arrived at the exact same conclusions regarding world/civilizational history, coming from the perspective of being a rigorous mathematician(Spengler was in the humanities)
That book is the most incredible document of the 20th century in my opininon. Much of it is wrong, or at least unsubstantiated, but the general feeling, the insights, are unmatched.
It is a crime of history that he is not remembered for what he accomplished with it.
>>71085104
>Ashkenazi Jews being inherently more intelligent than everyone else,
>be super intelligent
>use your powers to destabilize human life around the globe
>>71094071
Explanations not so much. He compares civilizations to living organisms. They go through a period of growth and creativity, and then old age and decline. All civilizations follow this path.
It should be noted that modern global civilization might disprove this general trend, there is something completely bizarre happening in these last few centuries, and the future might be uncertain, but Spengler's principles are still useful, especially culturally.
>>71089692
i have it but the book is too large, some mathemathical forms and shit. where is the good stuff?
>>71092999
also consider compared to christian society, jews had a headstart on letting their literates breed while Christianity recommended celibacy for their clergy
>>71093865
>Where should I start with Spengler?
>>71094358
Have you ever seen the late John Reilly's old site? He had a lot of stuff on Spengler, including his own book.
>>71094695
Don't forget that during the middle ages, usury was not allowed for Christians. This is why a lot of Jews in Europe got into banking or proto-banking. I suppose that the banker Jews probably made more money and accordingly got more tail than the non-banker Jews.
>>71094576
>something bizarre
any more details?
>>71094613
The whole fucking book is the good shit. Seriously it's historical crack. There is basically no math in it, at most some philosophy of math.
If you're a NatSoc type I recommend his 'The hour of Decision". Not my favorite thing of his but it will place his theory into a political context that you might like.
>>71095056
>>71094358
>>71093865
https://web.archive.org/web/20121008061603/http://www.johnreilly.info/
>>71095086
that is one interpretation (with merit) another would be the wealth insulated them from when the goy would go and pogrom the backward caste jews and that would invariably bring the average up
>>71095215
That would be more recent philosophy which hasn't yet been much mulled over. The science is even worse.
Essentially technological evolution, always a huge factor in human history, has been creating new forms of human reality unprecedented, even un-presaged by posterity.
If you want to read about this you can google Left-Accelerationism and Right-accelereationism, you can read various speculations about what is happening, but there is an essential mystery to it, it has never happened before, so there is nothing to compare it to.
>>71085104
>ashkenazi jews having higher IQs
le big fucking surprise
>>71095056
I haven't I've added the site to my tabs, would you want to give a brief description of it?
>>71095378
Or both. It probably also allowed them to flee to the country side when the black death hit. While not a slam dunk for surviving that, getting away from masses of people did make one safer.
>>71095086
>Don't forget that during the middle ages, usury was not allowed for Christians. This is why a lot of Jews in Europe got into banking or proto-banking.
I still can't believe that this is real.
>Hey you guys who killed our Savior and who we don't really trust, you wanna control our money flow for us? It's too haram for us, but you can get handle our money and get way ahead. Pls no tricks this time.
>>71095429
>Essentially technological evolution, always a huge factor in human history, has been creating new forms of human reality unprecedented, even un-presaged by posterity.
what?
So accelereationism is a process some people want to get to the postcapitalism? Sounds pretty awful from the wiki article.
>>71095879
banking or proto-banking, in medieval europe? there was banking since Mesopotamia
>>71095353
This was the post I meant to link to in the comment, it is interesting what is going on here, but there is too much for me to take in now. I have to actually go through the archives for a day or so. Unfortunately /pol/ and 4chan generally doesn't lend itself well to extended conversations. But the freedom of thought is still there so I will reply properly on the board when I feel I can make something of these ideas.
>>71095500
>I haven't I've added the site to my tabs, would you want to give a brief description of it?
He was conservative Catholic with an eclectic interests: "macrohistory", alternate history, eschatology, spelling reform, etc. He wrote a bunch of articles and book reviews, which he collected on this website. Politically he wasn't exactly /pol/ material, but did have negative views of the demographic trends of the West.
Wrote a book, Spengler's Future, that correlated dates with previous civilizations onto the dates of Western civilization, to give Spenglerian prediction of the future of the West (unites into a unified Empire within the 21st century, rules for 5 centuries or so).
>>71096002
The wiki article probably doesn't do it any favours, but it you're at all a /pol/ack I would hope you find it morally bankrupt: it is.
That is kind of the state of philosophy now. It actually has been for hundreds of years but that is a different matter.
>>71096122
I'm browsing the page as we speak and this is exactly the sort of thing that I look for on the internet, so I have to thank you. It reminds me that there is a point to these kind of meandering conversations/
to actually integrate this person's thought will take rather longer though of course, so I can't really comment on it just right now
>>71095219
no nazi it just goes on and on and on and on and on....
>>71095879
Have you seen the shit the banks have pulled during the past decade and a half? Yeah, there are people who still want to borrow from them because they either don't have a choice, or they want shit now.
>>71096102
And banking way back in the day looked nothing like it does today. Oh, there was still usury, but holy fuck.
>>71096423
Honestly it does, if you can't read it German or the semi-decent English translation, without having a knowledge of those languages, and perhaps more importantly the culture of those languages, then it might be trying.
But I don't believe humans are that separated by ethnicity and language. We are to some degree but we all belong to the same forward historical movement, not in a Leftist sense, just in pure reality. No equality, no, but there is participation, cooperation, among all the peoples of Earth and I don't think that has to be thrown away for some accident of history.
Spengler is an Aristotle, he can offer great insights to everybody that comes, he has only to be understood in his context, which he explicitly stated, and was not respected for.
>>71085104
>Indo-Europeans succeeding because they can drink milk
Rirpetoe confirmed for final avatar of Vishnu?
>>71096835
yeah i know, it is a good book but mixed in with A LOT of his own idea of what constitutes reality, like the idea that different civilization developed different mathemathics and what not but it is long and has to be read slowly, i only finished half, the book is huge but excellent.
i know that some leftists here hate him because after the collapse of their own utopia (ussr, yugoslavia), multiculti is the only thing remaining.
>>71085453
>so useless at drawing, engineering, and everything else that's useful irl.
They have more Nobel Physics winners and chess champs per capita than anyone else, I reckon those are something you need high visual intelligence for, no?
>>71089012
I think most of the anti Jew stuff on pol is just memes. I find it really hard to believe that there is some global plot by them as well that they've somehow managed to conceal for centuries, they don't seem THAT organized.
>>71097112
That's logical-mathematical intelligence
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_multiple_intelligences
>>71097095
>but mixed in with A LOT of his own idea of what constitutes reality, like the idea that different civilization developed different mathemathics and what not
I'm with you there, much of what he says is very German and typical of the time, and I have a hard time understanding it myself, though im obsessed with the book.
>>71097095
>i know that some leftists here hate him because after the collapse of their own utopia (ussr, yugoslavia), multiculti is the only thing remaining.
This is immensely interesting to me, you're saying that in Serbia people don't like him because the Communists failed and that caused Western multi-culuralism?
>>71097242
its just the more powerfull jews like soros , but he went senile so he is showing his power level,.Who knows how many soros are still out there.
But you are a idiot if you think that baby ezra would not take your spot once the soros are done
>>71097242
It's tough to tell how much is memes, but I'll bet it's a helluva lot more than the general public would believe.
And there might be a global plot to control the world's resources by a cabal of uberwealthy people where Jews are overrepresented, but if your doctor neighbor is a Jew, it's a safe bet that he is not bent on world domination.
>>71097547
yep, some of our "leading" multi-cult hacks dislike him because they feel that he is an ideological opposition to their last bandwagon to being relevant.
they actually LIKE yugoslavia and see spengler essentially as a political oponent, quite crazy, and they cant say anything because spengler is a german therefore western.
liberals here will genuinely only allow westerners to criticize the west.
>>71097676
see this >>71097242
ultimately shlomo shelksberg is just too good to pass up and so reality and the meme end up getting mixed together
it also doesn't help the fact /pol/ likes hitler and all the misconceptions that go with it
>>71097777
>liberals here will genuinely only allow westerners to criticize the west.
Same situation here my friend. Liberalism is the cancer of Late Europe. It murders indiscriminately, origin uncaring.
>>71097242
>C'mon, you mean to tell me that the royalty that owns all the money and property and has ties to the church is in on a conspiracy to keep themselves in power? I think you've got your cap on too tight Johann, it's 1066 ad, you gotta think more rationally. Now lets get back to the fields and plow some more.
>>71098335
I'm not even sure how much /pol/ even really likes Hitler beyond the fact that he is infinitely memeable.
>>71098519
A large enough amount like him and hes actually not all that memeable hes just fantastic to defend
Wanted to preserve values, was nationalistic, and in general he held many values that /pol/ collectively holds. Not to mention the near infinite capacity to trigger many people.
>>71098819
hitler is basic human sentiment against the clearly changing world, reaction. Hitler committed unthinkable atrocities, the only people who deny this are those caught up in the idea that he was defending his people against a greater evil.
>>71098819
Quality b8, Leafbro.
>>71098933
>unthinkable atrocities
>holohaox is real
Stalin, Mao, Genghis some how all of them are exempt from the same vitriolic hatred maybe things would have been different if they had killed any jews
>>71098939
What's bait about that?
>>71099152
I fucking despise Communists, I have a literal desire to physically attack them whenever I hear them spout their insane bullshit, which believe me happens a lot where I am. I consider modern communists worse than neo-fascists or nazis because they caused much more suffering and death in the 20th century.
>>71099152
>maybe things would have been different if they had killed any jews
Well, obviously. GOD CHOSE THEM, you can't do anything against the tribe that GOD chose. It's like regicide you silly Goy, how dare you even consider it.
>>71085104
>scientific racism
Book isn't racist at all. It's actually very dry and fair and tries to explain why there are differences in races on a scientific level. Please stop using liberal narratives anon.
>>71099379
you might try reading the thread, by doing so you would realize I am rather far from being liberal.
>>71099289
Ultimately Hitler is in quantum state where he has people that like him for the holocaust and people that like him who believe the holocaust to have been greatly exaggerated.
>>71099518
Despite your personal views you are using the terms of the enemy, which is counterproductive, that's what he's saying.
>>71099173
> hes actually not all that memeable
>Not to mention the near infinite capacity to trigger many people.
His infinite capacity to trigger many people is what makes him infinitely memeable.
>>71099152
Stalin won, Mao didn't lose and not only did Genghis win, but he was also hundreds of years ago, and he didn't live in a society that kept records like the Romans did. Remember who writes the history in war.
>>71099520
I can't believe the Holocaust didn't happen, there were millions of Jews who just disappeared. I understand Fascist impulses, but their historical reality is indefensible.
>>71099639
They've changed the definition, not us. We're going to keep using the word the way it was meant to be used.
>>71099639
Racism is the belief that different populations of humans have different characteristics. this is just obvious on a visual-based level, this book posits that there is more going one than that.
I fail to see where I have used liberal terms, that's just what racism means.
>>71099518
All I'm saying it that calling it scientific "racism" you defeat your point already to a large group of normies. imo not insulting you or anything but I just think language matters what with today's dumbshit ultra sensitive millenials. I do agree with almost everything you said though.
>>71099700
That's fine.
I'm going to keep on point of this thread but look around the catalog when you have the time. There are plenty of threads on here weekly that go against the popular narrative involving the holocaust if you haven't already.
>>71099826
When have we ever cared about normies? They bend the knee every time. Go look at reddit, they are in the process of that already.
>>71099826
I don't give a flying fuck if people believe what i have to say by merit of word choice, I trust those here to at least attempt to understand the statement. I don't believe in democracy or freedom of information.
>>71099875
I've read much about the holocaust, I'm well acquainted with Mein Kampf, as well as the Nuremberg trials. I understand that the Allies lied about what was happening and made the Germans into Devils which they were not. I see nothing explaining where those Central European Jews disappeared to. They were murdered. This happens in every war, it is simply dishonest to deny that they were.
Wish Titus would have put every one of those fuckers to the sword.
>>71099667
Ah, ok, I think the rest of his post is spot on though.
>Genghis won, but he was also hundreds of years ago, and he didn't live in a society that kept records like the Romans did. Remember who writes the history in war.
The Chinese and the rest of his victims didn't keep records. Huh. Didn't know that.
>>71099700
Have you ever seriously investigated it from the other side? Not saying that you have to not believe it, just curious. I'm not sure exactly what I believe, but I don't believe it 100% https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jj94b8DFwPg
>>71099708
>They've changed the definition, not us. We're going to keep using the word the way it was meant to be used.
Good luck with that.
>>71099809
>I fail to see where I have used liberal terms, that's just what racism means.
It's a loaded term that's used primarily as a slur these days, go ahead and call a mentally disabled person a retard, it's the proper term.
>>71100122
No one denies the fact that a large number jews died (not 6million) but it denies that the Hitler's goal was for their extermination. It denies the gas chambers were used for said extermination. The deaths can be attributed to starvation, disease and other logistical inefficiencies but it was not Hitler's goal. Death happens in war and war is hell but Hitler was not the monster they made him out to be is all that I'm saying.
>>71100367
I have actually debated the other side, I have even been infatuated with Hitler's notion of the resurgence of Prussian meaning, but I have never found anything more convincing on the skeptic side than the overwhelming evidence on the American side. It seems like the Holocaust was just real.
>>71100367
>It's a loaded term that's used primarily as a slur these days, go ahead and call a mentally disabled person a retard, it's the proper term.
this thread, will remind you, I created, in the interest of putting forth the notion of scientific racism. Look at the OP, that was the entire point.
>>71100122
>I see nothing explaining where those Central European Jews disappeared to.
Not everyone died anon, war is chaotic, people got separated and they assumed their relatives died. Not saying that's all of them, I think Jews were killed on the Eastern Front, but I also think lots of people assimilated or moved to other countries.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBGCNWcrM2E
Here's a guy who thought his brother was dead until they were reunited 50 years later.
>>71100456
I don't think he was the Devil, I've read Mein Kampf, I understand where he was coming from, serioulsy I'm trained in philosophy, his German ideas are not alien to me. And yes the Holocaust has been exaggerated by the Allies since, but there is incontrovertible evidence, from the Nazis themselves, that Death Camps existed. It simply isn't deniable. concentration camps are not unique to Nazi Germany, they are actually a kind of common modern historical occurrence, why would we believe there were none in Germany and Poland when there is so much evidence to the contrary?
>>71087005
Hey man, Islam has little to do with it. The religion doesn't encourage it but unfortunately disallow it either. Too bad Arabs are kikes who kept the cousin fucking going to keep the money in the family
>>71100567
>I have actually debated the other side
What media did you use? Not needling you, just curious.
>I created, in the interest of putting forth the notion of scientific racism. Look at the OP, that was the entire point.
Well, good luck anon, I'm sure you'll be successful in your endeavor.
>so much evidence to the contrary?
Because the actual "evidence" is kinda shaky and weird as fuck and they made it illegal to investigate it.
>>71100738
> Nazis themselves
I find the nuremberg trials to be shaky evidence desu
>>71100367
>The Chinese and the rest of his victims didn't keep records. Huh. Didn't know that.
The Chinese were the losers in that one. How good were their records when it came to "Genghis Kahn fucked us?" Genghis Khan might have fucked them again if they were too accurate. The Romans crucified Nero and Caligula in the history books, though if you want to call them the losers and argue for the distinct possibility that Nero and Little Boots were treated unfairly because they were the losers in that internal struggle, you may have a point. You also may not. It's tough to say. But it is generally accepted that the Romans kept good records for their time. The Mongols, not so much, so we can't even give a real accounting of the accuracy of their telling of events. We just know that they kicked ass, kicked more ass and said "fuck the names."
>a quick read
>303 pages
>>71100888
>What media did you use?
Spengler and Goethe, with Aquinas and Moses's books as afterthoughts.
>Well, good luck anon, I'm sure you'll be successful in your endeavor.
you obviously understand that my main purpose isn't the promotion of 'racism'
Yes they have made it illegal in much of the West to debate it and I am not going to argue with you, that is a huge strike against credibility. there is no real justification.
>>71100997
They are suspect but there are threads to fascinating chords of history in them.
>>71101346
That should be at most 3 hours, ie. not an important amount of time in the average person's evening.
>>71101169
>How good were their records when it came to "Genghis Kahn fucked us?" Genghis Khan might have fucked them again if they were too accurate.
So you're saying that the Chinese downplayed the actual events but they still got BTFO? So the death toll could be higher? I think the Chinese actually exaggerated a bit, but they definitely got fucked, and they did (apparently) keep records.
>Spengler and Goethe, with Aquinas and Moses's books as afterthoughts.
You used those authors to debate an event that happened centuries later? I'm asking what authors or revisionists you read when you made your counter argument against the Holocaust happening. We don't have to debate it, I'm just curious what sources you used.
>you obviously understand that my main purpose isn't the promotion of 'racism'
Well, good luck using that word positively ever again, dude. I'm planning on rehabilitating the word eugenics.
>>71101922
Also meant for >>71101394
>>71101922
you completely misunderstand me, I welcome the world of eugenic-formed ubermensch, if it is realistic. If it will happen. I welcome reality.
ideology does not matter one whit to me, it is reality, what actually happens, that interests me
>>71101447
>three hours
>quick
No.
>>71102090
Back to your television now.
>>71101922
No. I'm saying that the Chinese got wrecked and probably didn't write stuff that would get them wrecked again. There would have been some contemporary issues there regarding keeping the population complacent.
>>71102090
>>71102189
Gregory Cochran, Henry Harpending pls go.
>>71102086
I don't misunderstand you, I even agree with you, I'm just 89.9% sure that you're legit autistic of some sort. Not even memeing.
>>71102322
Not all of China got rekt, so it's possible that there were areas where it was safe to write about the Mongols.
>>71102617
>I'm just 89.9% sure that you're legit autistic of some sort. Not even memeing.
Certainly possible, but not particularly relevant to the discussion.
If you want to say something of substance, that might actually be useful to the people reading this thread, you still have another 150-ish posts.
There is after all a wealth of discussion you could be commenting on, from the OP down to every idea that has been presented in the thread.
>>71101447
How the fuck am I supposed to read 2 pages in a minute
I'm still reading up there. Nice thread OP. Very interesting.
Thank you.
>>71102189
>get sodomized for 3 hours and then killed
>"Man, that was a quick death ;)"
>>71102809
It is relevant when you refuse to take into account how things will appear to others even if it's not logical(I agree with you there). That's pretty autistic, I'm not even being mean or memey. I think it's cool that you made this effortpost, honestly, I was just trying to get you to see that you probably will not rehabilitate the word "racism". Have a good night anon.
>>71085399
The Ashkenazi also have an inbreeding depression problem though, something the Sephardim have managed to fix albeit at the cost of slightly lower IQ averages.
>>71102896
Primarily by reading, but taking your time does have its merits.
>>71103040
You sound like an abhorrent Leftist so it's difficult for me to wish you goodnight, but I suppose on some level i feel a faint kind of non-violence towards you.
To be clear though I have no interest in rehabiltating any words. I believe in the idea of rational thought and so I think that the more people I convince, the more reasonable people will exist.
>>71103230
Be well anon, and may Fortuna bless you.
>>71103495
If you look to what in your life has been the most meaningful,whatever you would most like to go back to, it will be obvious to you how much everything else lacks it, and the ideas of the devil and of god will make sense.
>>71087977
>t. Elliott Rodger
>>71085104
I explained the book to my friend as "a 300 page rebuttal to the 'We're all Africans' t-shirt".
>>71085399
in the words of Goebells: no more smart, just cunning
>>71086763
in general.
