>About 66 percent of Sanders supporters said they wouldn’t be willing to pay more than an additional $1,000 in taxes for universal health care. This includes the 8 percent of Sanders supporters who aren’t willing to pay anything at all.
>But Sanders’s plan to pay for universal health care coverage would increase taxes on most voters by more than $1,000.
>The kicker for all of this? Some analysts believe Sanders’s plan will cost twice as much as his campaign estimates.
>>71081662
People need to stop using the word free that way. It's still being payed for with tax dollars.
>>71081662
Why not just scale back military funding to pay for it?
>>71081662
democracy was a mistake senpai
>>71081662
The rich will pay for it. Time for them to pay the fuck up.
>>71081662
>The kicker for all of this? Some analysts believe Sanders’s plan will cost twice as much as his campaign estimates.
Make that four times. If someone here agrees with me, that's "some analysts" right there.
Also, how the fuck is that not enough?
>>71081662
>either save 4.5k on health insurance
>or save 1k on taxes
>pick option 2
American logic
>>71081857
>complains about "unknown analyst"
>analyses himself without further illustration
If you're an expert how come you browse 4chan?
>>71081750
'Murica
>>71082079
I haven't seen a doctor in years
>>71082079
>Not paying the extra in taxes
>Not having private insurance
>Them savings
>>71082723
Out of all the times I've seen this, now is the very first time I realized that the helicopter has machineguns for rotor blades
>>71081662
most Sanders supporters don't pay taxes anyway.
>>71081750
Because USA as a nation has the greatest number of enemies in the world.
>>71081662
To be fair, $1000 in taxes probably represents more money than they actually earn in total...
>>71081750
Because even if we cut back military spending 100% we still wouldn't be able to pay for it.
>>71081750
You could cut the military to zero and still not be able to pay for all the free shit.
>>71081750
The amount of money the US spends on defense is a TINY portion of its overall GDP, hence why THIS HASNT BEEN FUCKING DONE ALREADY GENIUS.
FUCK.
Oh WAIT. EVERYONE STOP. A FAGGOT ON 4CHAN CAME UP WITH A REVOLUTIONARY IDEA LITERALLY NOONE HAS EVER THOUGHT OF.
Do you know how much the fuck it will cost to do this? Want to know why Sanders proposed a $13T tax increase, AND will cut government and defense spending.
This will literally bankrupt the state, so we are going to TAKE YOUR MONEY AND MAKE YOU TAKE OUR HEALTHCARE AND EDUCATION CITIZEN. REPORT FOR PROCESSING.
>>71083407
Why not just print more money, nigger?
>>71081787
"time for them to pay up".
The rich already pay 90% of the taxes in this country you fucking simpleton.
>>71081787
who will pay for it once nobody is rich
>>71083378
>$1000 in taxes probably represents more money than they actually earn in total
do you understand how taxes work?
it is a percentage.
you can't pay more than you earn.
And I don't want to hear shit from you cuckold German faggots after your people can't even call the Turkish president an asshole without worrying about being fucking sued.
Literally Muslim cuckolds and rape slaves. You are fucking pathetic.
>>71083606
>whoosh
>>71083509
Why not dislodge Trudeau's head from the Muslim asshole and worry about your own shit.
Stupid nigger.
>>71083509
While one hundred trillion dollar bills sounds like something a fucking leaf would love, I wouldn't want to pay $50 trillion/gal of gas.
>>71082890
well that's some sound financial planning right there. Don't do anything about the shitty American healthcare system because it saves you money in the short term because you're young and healthy at the moment, then go bankrupt or die when you get a bit older (or just less lucky) and start having health problems.
Do you want to know why American healthcare is the way it is?
because American are optimists.
Or to put it another way, because Americans have delusional levels of self confidence. They would rather not have state healthcare and pay lower taxes, so they can afford the latest iPhone, even though they're risking bankruptcy and possibly death if they get a serious injury or illness. Because they don't really believe it could happen to them.
All the American documentaries which are pro government healthcare always have someone in them who says something along the lines of 'I thought American healthcare was the best in the world - until I got sick'. Really? You only gave a thought to the shitty state of American healthcare after something bad happened to you? Well, since you weren't willing to lift a finger to change it before, then you deserve to get fucked by system then don't you? That, bitch, is personal responsibility for you right there.
So just remember this when you hear some smug shit libertarian going on about 'freedom' and 'self reliance' (because he secretly is under the impression that only niggers and spics and lazy people have problems with the current system.): one day, you may get the opportunity to watch him get cancer only to find that his insurance company won't pay, or won't pay the full amount, BECAUSE THEIR WHOLE BUSINESS IS BASED ON NOT GIVING PEOPLE HEALTHCARE. Then as he dies an agonising death, all the while knowing that his wife and children will be left destitute by his medical bills, you can tell him that he can at least take comfort in the fact that he was right, in a way - choices have consequences.
>>71083902
And in case you think that last bit is purely hypothetical
http://gawker.com/5840024/ron-pauls-campaign-manager-died-of-pneumonia-penniless-and-uninsured
>>71082723
the red white and blue exhaust looks more like the english flag
>>71082079
>the government is somehow going to be ~3 times more efficient than the private healthcare market and offer the same quality of care and innovation
have you been living in a cave for the entire 20th century? I think if there was one take away, its that governments are extremely incompetent central managers
>>71081750
Becaise congress wont approve this type of spending without increasing the payroll tax
Meaning you work at mcdonalds making minimum wage 20 hours a week you will see less of your paycheck
>>71083960
>gawker
>>71083960
>GAWKER
Seriously m8 dont link that merchant peddling trash here. Either screenshot/archive or use a different source.
So how are we going to "force" mexico to pay or a wall (we'll pay for it) while reducing jobs thanks to throwing illigals out and causing our crops to rot while also rounding up and throwing out all illigals a cheaper, more achievable and "better" goal than Sanders? *sips tea(
>>71083789
>that dick sculpture in the bottom right
>>71084279
>throw illegal workers out
>there are less jobs to be had as a result
>crops rot
>*sips watermelon juice)((
do you know what "logic" is
>>71081750
>hey we should cut military expending
>Anon Faggot the third supports cutting spending costing jobs to thousands of Americans Ron Paul 2016
>>71084279
>reducing jobs thanks to throwing illegals out
it's almost like americans can do those jobs or something, like they use to
>>71084000
>its that governments are extremely incompetent central managers
except that medicare always gets the lowest prices from healthcare services providers, and have far lower administrative costs than private insurance companies.
the reasons are obvious (if you aren't blinded by an almost religious belief in capitalism, that is): medicare is by far the largest purchaser, so they get huge bulk discounts and supplies can't afford to piss them off by price gouging. Also, they don't have to waste money on advertising, or pay out dividends to shareholders, or spend nearly as much on getting competitive executive 'talent', which all goes a long way to lowering their overheads.
>>71084279
HOL UP HOL UP
U SAYIN IF WE KICK OUT JUAN THERE BE LESS JOBS
MA ALWAYS SAYZ PAINT CHIPS BE SWEET BUT FADE TO WHITE CAUSE THEY DA DEVIL
>>71083902
>So just remember this when you hear some smug shit libertarian going on about 'freedom' and 'self reliance' (because he secretly is under the impression that only niggers and spics and lazy people have problems with the current system.): one day, you may get the opportunity to watch him get cancer only to find that his insurance company won't pay, or won't pay the full amount
kek, there was a dutch poster that made a thread a while ago saying that he was a staunch libertarian up until he was diagnosed multiple schleroses. Now he lives solely with gov subsides.
Nice post BTW
>>71084279
>there are no unemployed low skill workers that can take the jobs for legal wages
wew
>>71084000
Gov is much more efficient in Healthcare, at least. Search some data mate.
>>71084150
>>71084246
my bad, saved that several years ago when gawker was merely shit celebrity gossip and not full on 'destroy all white males' mode.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2037330/Ron-Pauls-campaign-manager-died-pneumonia-afford-health-insurance.html
>>71084937
It's not like Paul likes the healthcare system as is. He thinks it sucks too.
>>71081662
Why would they need to pay more for universal health care?
Every single nation with universal health care pay less per capita for their health care.
>>71084279
>libtard thinks americans are literally incapable of manual labor
not everyone is a lazy leech like you, anon
can sanders even implement free healthcare,and college in one term?
>>71085660
well that has to be the stupidest image I've seen this month
>>71085660
not without congress
>>71084461
>>71084723
>>71084758
>>71084803
>>71085375
prices of everything rises as farmers desperatly attempt to raise wages enough to attract americans which raises the cost of food for everyone which in turn raises all other pries.
The wages aren't raised so people become more destitute and now businesses are going under and soon farmers have to fire the people working in the fields and get machines and other robots to do it reducing jobs.
it's not a hard concept to grasp
>>71084750
You should be kicked in the dick repeatedly until you piss toenails
>>71085747
elaborate? cause i think you're the stupid one here
>>71086137
The price of food isn't going to shoot up. That's a myth; they still have to compete in an international market.
>Farrm workers presently receive only 5 to 6 cents of every dollar spent on agricultural produce and after the 40% wage increase, this will increase to 7 to 9 cents. As a result, households would experience an annual increase of $9 (2005 dollars) in their expenditure on food. [ . . . ] It has been amply demonstrated that the impact of higher labor costs on net farm incomes is quite small, and when shared between consumer and producer, becomes almost negligible.
http://www.fairus.org/DocServer/agribusiness_rev2013.pdf
>>71086545
>they still have to compete in an international market
So less jobs here because we are buying from countries not paying $15/hour?
>>71086755
>California is the only state that does agriculture
wew. It just means American companies are going to keep moving to places like Texas to do business.
>>71085660
>dat image
I've seen way better, even here on /pol/
>>71084832
Maybe in your nation.
US has a shitty track record in that department .
>>71081662
What did you all expect? All of his supporters are in debt and want their student loans to be paid for. They don't have money. Their entirely gibs me dat and are no better than nignogs. In fact they're worse because they're white and should know better.
>>71086835
So Cali folks lose their jobs so farmers can move to Texas to reduce prices? How is that a reasonable answer??
>>71087028
Look it's not my fault California is run by a bunch of retarded liberals that are forcing labor costs way up. People are literally leaving the state. Net migration is out. If they don't shape up, they'll be toast.
>>71084279
>Illegals cost billions to care for
>Build wall
>Kick out illegals.
>Save money because no more illegals
>pay for wall as the years go by with all the money you saved
How hard is that to understand?
Also for all the jobs that pedro filled? Make it so that if you're below 25 years old and are on welfare you need to work. The jobs will get filled naturally.
>>71081662
Of course they won't pay for it
They are all a bunch of unemployed idiots and kikes
>>71081662
But the rich (who already pay 79% of the tax lol) will pay for it because it's not faaaaaairrrrrrr.
>>71086887
In every nation, at least the first world.
For example, USA has a enourmous per capita spending on healthcare, but consistently score lower then multiple tax payer based healthcares, with half or even less per capita spending
>>71081750
We spend roughly 3% of our GDP on military spending. Fuck off, ignorant liberal faggot kike.
>>71084279
>>71086137
are you dumb? its simple, allow mexicans to work legally for fixed terms on shit pay/wage, they stay any longer they get deported. mexicans continue to stream in because life as a shitty labourer is still better than life as a mexican. i'm pretty sure you guys do this but the only thing that isn't happening is the stronger enforcement on deportation. just this time don't let them slip through the cracks by tighter regulations on farms and an more effective program. also the idea of making mexicans pay for the wall is by taxation on imports or whatever they can think of regardless of nafta. how you may ask?because its america with donald trump.
>>71085255
Socialism is the prisoner's dilemma expanded to a national level. It only works in countries that are ethnically homogenous.
>>71081758
Democracy is all right. Universal suffrage (or rather, universal citizenship) is the mistake. No person without a stake in a country should be able to decide for others who do contribute. Then again, no one should be able to decide for someone else without allowing them to vote, so fractioning power into the smallest unit possible and then making the requirement to vote for ever larger groups of people be stringent while also reducing the areas of authority of said new larger group has would be best.
That way, everyone can vote, but how far their ability to choose extends is limited.
>>71083512
Because all the income this country makes goes to them.
>>71081750
Whoa whoa whoa goy, who will fight Israel's wars then?
>>71086887
>maybe in his nation
>implying
There is a reason why no person ever wants to deal with public health services: they are shit.
>>71088392
>muh evil CEOs
>>71084279
>Sips tea
hah, I got that bait cue.
>>71087551
But your gov spending is not the same as GDP.
>>71088562
>muh evil unions
>>71088678
strawman
>>71088734
>the irony
>>71081662
If they were willing to pay for it, then they wouldn't be demanding free shit.
>>71088562
They're not evil. They're just doing what's in their best interest. As should I.
>>71083978
Nigga that's aquafresh you're reppin'
>>71081662
>>The kicker for all of this? Some analysts believe Sanders’s plan will cost twice as much as his campaign estimates.
This is not a belief, it is simple historical precedent. No spending plan by the federal government has ever come in less than triple it's initial estimates. That is the nature of government contracts.
PON PON! Just taking my "free" car out for a spin! Thanks again Reddit!
>Bernie is a plant
>>71081758
The Greeks and Romans gave up on shitty democracy precisely because of what we're seeing now. We then had monarchies for 1000+ years until the French Revolution.
>>71083902
I agree, but you write really too poorly. Don't post again
>>71081662
Source?
FREE SHIT LMAO
>>71089232
rnc.com
>>71089346
>pic related
>>71086182
>kicked in the dick repeatedly until you piss toenails
>american medical knowledge at work
>>71086887
see >>71084750
>>71089232
>>71089400
A source:
http://hotair.com/archives/2016/04/15/sanders-supports-want-universal-health-care-free-tuition-but-arent-willing-to-pay-for-it/
>>71088552
That's because it's manned by subhumans in your country, my subhuman friend.
Don't worry, first-world countries will be at your sides soon enough.
Subhumanity for all !
Dysgenics for the win !
We are all the same, embrace diversity !
>>71089346
I love this picture so much.
>>71089895
>thinks I'm from Panama
>doesn't know I banged my way through france
Your white women are whores. And your hospitals are shit.
>>71084279
>*sips tea(
**chugs bud lite**
FTFY you pansy ass bitch.
>>71082079
Were not all disgusting peasants
"Save" 200 a month on my world class PPO plan
Get shit tier healthcare in exchange for paying 16k+ more a year and having my 401k destroyed
Fuck off
>>71081750
Scaling back military funding will only result in higher unskilled unemployment. They won't cut down on foreign bases or on R&D what they would cut down on would be the number of bottom level soldiers being recruited.
>>71091121
that doesn't equate to shit
The amount of benefits offered by the military and the huge risk of serious permanent disabling injury creates people that are more dependent on government handouts than welfare recipients.
200,000 or so less jobs across all the states wouldn't do much to impact unemployment.
>>71081662
How many would want Trump's EXACT SAME PROGRAMS PLUS CUTS AND THEREFORE 25 TRILLION MORE IN DEBT!? Assholes. Sanders makes a surplus. Sanders increases median income. By far. Trump copies him and shits the bed nine ways from Sunday. Wake the fuck up
>>71091591
Public debt is almost meaningless.
Two key questions to ask yourself
To whom does the US owe its debt?
What would happen to the world if the US were to fall?
>>71083606
Sure you can it's called debt and interest and our children who many aren't even born yet already are in debt.
>>71081750
Do you think the military budget is just the US buying fancy cartoon laser weapons?
>>71092138
FUCKING
>>71092190
there are definitive ways to cut spending without it impacting our military effectiveness.
>>71082079
>Implying a single payer, full service system isn't precisely the health industry's wettest dream.
>>71083902
my health care is great
>>71081662
>>71093359
have you ever actually had cancer? Because a lot of Americans think that their insurance gives them good coverage right up until the point where they ask their insurance company to pay up.
And even if you do have actual top-of-the-line insurance, 'it works for me, fuck everyone else' isn't really a good way to build a stable society. While you're at it, why not end food stamps and leave poor people to starve to death? I mean, what really is the distinction between leaving someone to die from cancer and leaving them to die from hunger?
>>71085255
you seem to be basing this on the fact that all people in america have healthcare which drives the age down. Like to see those numbers with people that have a nice ppo due to the fact they have a real career.
>>71083486
>NOONE
Is that a word? I'm serious.
>>71093788
> basing this on the fact that all people in america have healthcare
Not everyone has healthcare in the US?
>>71090631
We are swift in our switch to subhumanity, indeed.
In fact, if you didn't leave cities, you probably felt like at home, this wondefull land of rootless retarded mongrels !
>>71093758
The difference? You can die after 30 days without food. 60 at the most. I challenge you to find statistically relevant cases where people die in that small time frame after their cancer diagnosis.
Besides everyone gets cancer. Many old people in autopsies have asymptomatic masses when they die of old age (heart failure, etc).
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/05/sunday-review/why-everyone-seems-to-have-cancer.html?_r=0
>>71093520
Look at his feeble fucking body. I've seen people who are senile that look younger than that. Can this man even live 4 more years?
>>71082079
>http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/sep/19/nhs-collapse-former-health-minister-norman-lamb
>http://www.heart.co.uk/news/uk-world/nhs-misses-key-ae-waiting-time-target-again/
>http://www.bbc.com/news/health-35771182
>http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/health/article4733238.ece?CMP=OTH-gnws-standard-2016_04_14
>http://www.scotsman.com/news/poor-instructions-on-medicine-wastes-nhs-scotland-50m-1-4089124
>http://www.theweek.co.uk/nhs/71574/nhs-posts-worst-ever-ae-performance-results
>http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/659846/NHS-millions-taxpayer-money-prescribe-painkillers-vitamins-Vaseline
I could go on
inb4
>[magazine name]
>>71081662
TAX THE RICH
>>71095389
you realise you're only making American healthcare look even worse by comparison, right? Because even with all the incompetence and waste of public money in the NHS, it STILL manages to deliver a service that is safer, cheaper and more effective than the American healthcare system.
>>71088392
What's the problem here then?
They get the most money, they pay the most taxes.
>>71095681
What does healthy lives means ?
I want to insult you, but i need to understand what i'm insulting first.
>>71086269
not said post but will bite
>keeping money out of politics imply keeping out donations from private interests in attempts to influence public policy
>attraction of voters via socialized programs ?=? stopping private interests from manipulating laws with blatant disregard for any negative effects (societal\economic\etc ) from the law
>>71095829
unhealthy food consumption, smoking, amount of exercise, etc, etc
>>71083789
They could have at least hired a more creative artist
>>71081787
>>71083604
Who will pay for it once the rich choose to leave?
>>71096069
Thank you. Now with the insult.
Anglo, more like fatso !
>>71084279
>kick out illegal workers
>this labor is never replaced
>the world starves to death from no more crops
>the US begs illegals to come back
HAHHAHAHHAHHAHHHAHAH this liberal logic is too funny
>>71096248
There's always someone richer than you.
Gibsmedat will find a way.
>>71096258
in comparison to Europe, yes. Which makes it even more remarkable that the NHS manages to deliver such a high quality of healthcare
>>71096370
Aren't they already being replaced by harvesting robots anyway ?
If anything it would place an incentive to do it quicker.
Unless the US have laws forcing farmers to hire meatbags ?
>>71088392
And if they earn it, what's wrong with that
>>71081662
Some Bernie slut I play world of warcraft with said all they need to do is tax the 1% by 99% and they will have more than enough money for everything and even though the top 1% is taxed that much what they have remaining is more than enough to maintain their wasteful lifestyle. How true is this?
>>71096763
it isn't guaranteed she has done the necessary math or understanding of what she's saying alot of the money will be in assets not actually cash in some rothschild bank account.
>>71081750
A one 1% reduction in the US military translate into a weekly paris bombing in YOUR backyard.
>>71096935
I mentioned that and she said the government should be well within the right to seize any assets of the 1% they want and liquidate it into cash.
>>71096632
I don't have an issue with CEOs making a fortune. More of want they spend it on. The fact they hide it in offshores and live unnecessary extravagance instead of living smaller and using their money to lift up their fellow countrymen. But that's more of a cultural issue than a political one.
>>71081662
yes liberals want to pay less than other people
>>71097085
You can't just slap them on the wrist and say don't do that though, when has that ever worked. There are always secretive ways of saving your money. Why not make the U.S. a more desirable place to live and produce and earn money, so the billionaires don't outsource their shit?
>make people who already having trouble make ends meet pay more
>meanwhile, send several billions in american tax dollars every year to Israel because MUH GREATEST ALLY, or to China because MUH "DEVELOPING NATION"
If Sanders wants to chop at the MIC he should go whole hog and chop at the foreign nations that get american tax dollars for no reason besides GIBSMEDAT IT'S MINE GWEIYIM
>>71081662
The health care plan is literally trickle down. It's supposed to reduce costs for insurers and healthcare providers, who will then "trickle" the savings "down" to their patients. How are Sanders supporters this retarded? You're going to be paying higher taxes and the same for insurance policies.
>>71082079
How fucking dumb are you that you think that the insurers and healthcare providers will pass on $4500 in savings to the consumer? Especially when patients don't have any other choices?
>>71083978
delet this
>>71097389
Wait I thought Sanders plan would eliminate the middleman and nationalize the health industry, so everything goes through the goverrnment.
>>71083486
Why do you talk about how much we spend on the millitary as a proportion of GDP? Should it be as a proportion of the federal budget?
>>71087551
You're getting cucked by private companies who bill everything 5 times or 10 times, thats why you spend 5 times more than everyone else.
>>71092190
No it also goes towards 'muh benefits' for welfare queen veterans.
>>71096763
>tax the 1% at 99%
>get next to nothing from it
Genius ideas
>>71097009
You're an idiot. We could cut the military budget by 50% or more and still not have Paris style bombings simply by banning muslims.
>>71081662
>>71089048
>mfw, bernie teaches reddit 1st hand what socialism does
>>71098084
>implying Bernie Sanders would ban Muslims
>>71097914
And I'm sure that'll go away when healthcare providers are dealing with the federal government, which we know makes the best deals. TBQH if you really want Sanders' plans, you're actually better off voting for Trump.
>>71091783
1) Zionists
2) We'd turn to dust
>>71097213
IMHO the best solution is a cultural shift that makes wanting to help the homeless guy get a job or building new homes for those that lost them in natural disasters a virtue held through all levels of society. A duty to help your worst-off countrymen.
t. nationalist
>>71096763
The rich would simply leave or become citizens of another country. Norway has relatively high taxes, and as a result, several billionaires have changed their citizenship.
John Fredriksen is Norway's wealthiest man, and he made his fortune in shipping. He's a citizen of Cyprus, which is a tax haven for the wealthy.
>>71098602
In a way I wish Bernie would win and get all his policies implemented. Then this nation would collapse and we could have a real purge of all the Bernbots and start over.
>>71098744
same tbqh
nothing makes people hate socialism quite like experiencing it does
>>71098339
Government attempts to try to affect culture never work. Look at all the ads in Europe and East Asia begging people to start making more kids. They just don't do it.
>>71097042
who are they going to sell it to if you do it to all rich people. In otherwords she wants government to confiscate private property sounds like communism to me
No one here has a legitimate rebuttal against Bernie's plans apart from petty name-calling and fear-mongering.
/pol/ is showing why reddit is the superior board
Feel the Bern, bitches
>>71099001
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/02/26/romer-and-romer-on-friedman/?_r=0
>>71099097
>using a blog post as fact
Let me post a tumblr page showing why it sucks to be white in America
>>71097085
Them spending money is them pumping money back into the economy. Its better they piss away their fortune on lavish things than horde their cash.
I have question: how are you helping your fellow man?
>>71099001
You haven't even read the thread if that's what you're getting from it.
Feel the Bern indeed. I'm rooting for ya.
>>71099001
>what is Bernie's stance on nuclear energy
This alone is enough to show that he is a meme candidate that plays to lib fears rather than forming educated positions.
>>71098952
The government isn't needed. I volunteer at a local private school for abused kids and have gotten others to either volunteer at the same school or other local charities by arguing that it's our duty to help fellow Americans so that our nation can be stronger. You can subvert liberalism by making altruism nationalistic.
We have free will How you spend your free time is what defines your values.
>>71099214
Omg the page links to an article in the new york times BAKA
>>71099561
It's a blogpost hosted by the NY times.
>>71099561
oops I took your post at face value
in my defense it's 8 am
>>71081662
You only pay higher taxes if you make more than $250,000 a year, jackass.
>>71081750
Doesn't the military spending of the US government benefit the US economy?
Money goes to American companies, who employ Americans, and thus keep being circulated in the US economic system.
Not to mention that the military spending of the US government may also increase the private market for sale of firearms.
Also, weapons exports... Of which the US has a significant amount
>>71099739
Nah. Even his official website says taxes would go up for everyone.
>>71099789
Most of the US defence budget goes to contractors who develop and design weapons; Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Raytheon, etc. I think less than half is actually for troops and upkeep.
>>71098066
I love how the left just refuses to understand this simple graph. Why work if someone is going to take your rewards?
>>71081750
Can't cut back now. The US has literally pissed every other country off.
>>71100186
>pissed every country off
Thanks to Obama deciding we need to send strongly worded letters to anyone we disagree with.
>>71097085
>using their money to lift up their fellow countrymen
They do its called investing. Who else the fuck do you think has the money to purchase stocks and make a viable profit off it.
>>71100177
It's mind boggling. I could explain the reasons behind that graph in great detail, but the bernbots wouldn't even read it and continue being bernbots.
>>71099899
Nice dubs. But naw.
https://berniesanders.com/issues/medicare-for-all/
>>71100384
Everyone with a job. I make $30,000/year and still have money left over to find burgeoning companies to invest over.
>>71100395
Look at rationalwiki. http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Laffer_curve
Textbook example of mental gymnastics.
>>71081662
they already paid for it
>>71100384
that "lifts up" only the investor, sir
>>71101121
That article gave me cancer.
How can leftists live with themselves, surely they know on some level that they're wrong?
>>71100177
>make 10bil in a year
>get taxed 9bil
>keep 1bil
>why even get out of bed.jpeg
Yeah. Go fuck yourself. What can you buy with 2 bil that you cant buy with 1bil and credit? Your just running up the scoreboard at that point.
>>71084832
no it isn't
They just underfund, and underpay the doctors. I have to wait at least 4 hours to see a doctor at the fucking ER
we have a perpetual shortage of doctors and the US has by far the best outcomes in cancer treatment
"average cost of care" is NOT a measure of the quality of care. just because you set up some shitty system of price controls doesn't mean you magically made MRI machines cost less or made heart surgeons willing to work for low controlled wages.
another point is that almost all of the advanced treatments and drugs you poor lazy faggots use ""for free"" are pioneered in the US because the market encourages innovation and communism encourages stagnation, over/under supply, and massive overhead
I'm sure the USSR was able to produce wheat "cheaper", it didn't really matter though when you were in the breadline
>>71100186
>be too militaristic
>go broke, need to cut back
>in too deep, cant cut back, world hates us
>double down on broke military and prep for world war
Or... we stop being militaristic assholes, say sorry, and then dial back to not invading. We can still crush any invaders, lets just stop the god damn needless wars.
>>71100384
that is litteraly wrong.
Companies today are smoke and mirrors, they start up, experience significant growth. Gain some investors, then sell the company to a different CEO and then leave with the profits and a company on weak legs that inevitably collapses.
It is litteraly what schools teach as a standard buisness model.
>>71101560
two states have done it already and the world has not collapsed.
>>71101714
>cherry pick an extreme
You do realize that laffer curve is applicable for all ranges of income? If you find no problem with being taxed at 90%, you are either a fool or a self-made martyr.
Your butthurt is too visible Berncuck.
Canadas healthcare system is objectively better than the US's, single payer system is by far the best. The current system is a total failure.
Tuition should be free but its cost can be reduced in a number of ways.
More sky-is-falling bullshit on the part of brown nosers.
>>71101801
>lets just stop the god damn needless wars.
This
>we stop being militaristic assholes
There's nothing wrong with being militaristic as long as your political class isn't using the military for profit.
>say sorry,
Saying sorry after financing terrorist organizations and creating the largest refugee crisis since WW2 doesn't work. The damage is still growing.
>then dial back to not invading
Unfortunately some problems are best solved with massive amounts of bullets.
>>71102007
>make $10 a year
>be taxed at $9
>keep $1
>forage for food instead of work, because $1 will starve you
It does not apply equally. There is a level of excess, that once reached, no further money will change the lifestyle. Many of the 1/10 of 1% are well past that point.
>>71101717
Cause fuckers like you clog up the system with relatively harmless sub-acute issues. If there is a real emergency you get front of the line. You keep getting bumped back because your issue isnt a true emergency
>>71102200
>have a problem made by being to liberal with the military
>being more liberal with the military is the answer to the damage caused... by being too liberal with the military...
>>71088098
You're a racist, money have no color
>>71081750
Because the USD is backed by the US military.
Any nation that dares to rattle the USD's position as default global trade currency gets the shit freed out of it.
Sadam wanted to sell oil in euros, freedom.
Ghadaffi was selling oil for gold and was planning on using that gold to back an African trade currency, freedom.
Assad was blocking a Saudi pipeline and selling/forcing oil/gas to be sold in rubles, freedom.
If the US military is cut to the point where it is no longer backing the USD burgers would learn what its like when you cant just print money anymore.
>>71081662
>being surrounded by poor sick people dragging down the economy and being fucked by the insurance jew
Nobody in the US would get universal heathcare past the insurance jew and the senators they own anyway.
>>71102624
And if france tried to use euros instead of trading them for american dollars would we free the shit out of them?
B-but 1% was suppose to pay for this
>>71102311
Stop getting hung up on the top elite. Focus on your pay grade more. Laffer curve is applicable to all tax brackets.
Also explain why I a grad student who made $24000 last year would have to pay an extra $2630 for programs that won't benefit me if bernie gets elected. It's boggling that you people can believe such shit. It's my money and I'll spent it better than any 3rd party would if they gave it to niggers and gender studies idiots.
>>71082890
this is something thats iffy about free healthy care, i mean i'd like to have it on paper but even living in the hood around poor people before "Obama care" its never been a real problem. Iv never heard a mother fucker say something like "i cant afford my pills" unless they were a crackhead.
QUICK EVERYONE THROW MONEY AT THE GOVERNMENT THEY CAN DO IT I SWEAR THIS TIME
>>71081750
Because then the US cant defend the petrodollar hegemony and then the USD would collapse down to leaf status and lower.
Sanders supporters love to think Sanders is the God of policy, but his trick is making his supporters believe they understand policy when they never learned to think for themselves
