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"Atheism is an outgrowth of faith in the modern god called the state."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqQdc0mX1_c

State-worshipping leftist neckbeards
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RARE ID
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>>71062723
Yep, that's why I don't believe Jesus is God and he has the power to hear my thoughts and all the thoughts of 3 billion people at the same time.

That's why I spent 5 years struggling with my faith and praying every night trying to convince myself that there was something out there watching over me.

That's why I researched and read the bible and the history of the levant and humanity in a desperate attempt to make sense of the world we live in.

Because I'm a big believer in having at least a 2% property tax.
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Sorry, use this thread: >>71050938
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>>71062723
I'm an atheist and I always thought that religion served no purpose anymore but after seeing that most atheists are retarded like that amazingatheist dude maybe it's better to let it live
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>>71063099
>>71063170
>>71063211

NOT
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>>71063211
Mises did called socialism, statolatry, and nationalism, counterfeit religions.
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>>71062723
Reminder:
Ignore all Stefan Molypaneaux threads
Hide all Stefan Molypaneaux threads
Samefags responding to every post with "not an argument"
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>>71062723

Those are isolated cases, atheism has nothing to do with this, atheism is an ideology of peace, if you think otherwise you can check your privilege.

Ask any other atheist, they will guarantee you that the atheists that stefan talks about are not true atheists.
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>>71062723
>don't believe in God
>now I'm a leftist
a-alright
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>>71064455

not an argument.
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>>71064341
FUCKING
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>>71062723
Why are you former colonies so fucking retarded when it comes to atheism?
It's nothing more than not having a religion and supernatural deities.
Making it a political thing almost looks like a jewish trick.
You can still have decent moral values without some desert fairy tale and an imaginary god.
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>>71064835

Well yeah but faggots hijacked your ideology and now shit is fucked up for all of you.

I'm 100% sure that not even on his wildest nightmares Marx would have thought the current state of his ideology causes so much degeneracy and damage.
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>>71062723
The title of the video is quite some bait. He is not against atheism but atheists.

Stefan himself always tells us not to judge an ideology by its followers but by the ideas itself. Maybe he should adjust his book to warn beginning atheists not to fall for state propaganda to replace their fate.
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>>71064455
nice argument
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ONE DOLLAR
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I think it's hilarious that now that he is getting old and the world is clearly about to suffer through extreme violence that he is getting scared and turning to God.
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>>71062723
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7XJIioZEgQ

Moly is a moneygrubbing kike.
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As an Atheist I agree with a lot of what he says.

Yes, it's obviously a lot of sweeping generalizations and your initial response will be butthurt if you're still incapable of understanding another person's perspective even if you disagree with it.

But your average militant atheist who rebels against 'the church' on the internet is who he's talking about. I've never really liked these individuals because when I worked in public health for the State for about 2 years the only charities that actually were worth a damn were Red Cross, who only provided catastrophic support because they're spread so goddamn thin, the salvation army powered solely by good will and donations so they only provided material support, and fuckloads of local churches. They're the big ones. All the food drives, all the volunteers, fucking everything. Never colleges, never liberals, never political parties, never 'brand name' charities. Always churches.

I'll probably never believe in god, but I have a respect for those who use it as a reason to improve the world. If someone's beliefs make them a better person they have every right to them.
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>>71065509
He just do it for the views, he doesn't have a real job.
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Did anyone actually watch the video?

He literally says that it's immoral not to have kids because "Aren't you glad you were born? How about you return the favor, asshole?"

Reminder that this guy considers himself the successor of Socrates and Aristotle.
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>>71064646
>Those are isolated cases, atheism has nothing to do with this, atheism is an ideology of peace, if you think otherwise you can check your privilege.
>Ask any other atheist, they will guarantee you that the atheists that stefan talks about are not true atheists.

This is so fucking wrong

Atheism isn't an ideology, it's not a value system, it has no gospel, no tenants, no dogma.

Atheism is a lack of belief in god. That's it. If you don't believe in god, you're an atheist. If you want to describe people in any other way, you have to start using different terms.
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>>71066774
didnt socrates spend his time lusting over young boipussy?

No ones perfect
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>>71065166
An atheist against atheists, just like /pol/
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>>71066774
>Did anyone actually watch the video?

I can't finish stefan videos anymore. He's internalized being a "youtube intellectual". Now he's caught in a slow spiral on his way to being a retard. He's lost patience, often sounds angry, enters topics with little experience and education, and speaks without thinking. The hammer is going to drop any day now.
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>>71065103
it's not an ideology for most, just common sense, like not believing in the easter bunny.
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I have come to realize that atheists are nothing but pseudo intellectuals who are subconsciously feel guilt over sin.

They do not like the idea that their actions have consequences.
While the moral and logical minded can not live and bare the thought of living without consequences.

This is why Christianity is truly the white mans region.
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He is an absolute faggot.
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>>71062723
>american atheism
>american christianity
>american freedom
>american food
>american leftism
How does America always take things and make them 100x worse than they were before?
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>>71062723
>Duuuuude, what if atheism itself is a religion?

Into the trash you go!
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This guy is the most fake "redpilled" youtuber ever.

The fact that /pol/ likes him makes me realise how much of a bunch of plebs you are.
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>>71068026
>This is why Christianity is truly the white mans region.

Christianity is a sand nigger religion. White religion is greek&roman theology
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>>71068026

http://icelandmag.visir.is/article/00-icelanders-25-years-or-younger-believe-god-created-world-new-poll-reveals

>0.0% of Icelanders 25 years or younger believe God created the world, new poll reveals

>Remarkably the poll failed to find young Icelanders who accept the creation story of the Bible. 93.9% of Icelanders younger than 25 believed the world was created in the big bang, 6.1% either had no opinion or thought it had come into existence through some other means and 0.0% believed it had been created by God

Religions are for non whites and white who don't think
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>>71062723
>"Atheism is an outgrowth of faith in the modern god called the state."

how ate up do you have to be to believe this
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>>71065254
OC
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>>71068475
>lets use a island full of fisherman as a example of Superior intellectuals

Last major contribution Iceland has made was figuring out how to make rotten shark. They are excellent workers, and athletes, shown by their pure nordic blood, but they are not intellectuals.

Their last great philosopher had his skull smashed in a clan battle 1000 years ago, who was christian may I remind you Xiao Lin Tzu.
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>>71068529
The correct way to say this is atheists are equally susceptible to faith-based belief systems as the religious, they've just chosen to believe in one less invisible pink unicorn.

Instead he somehow fumbles this as if statism has replaced religion or spawned atheists, which is retarded. The positive correlation between atheism and liberalism probably has more to do with geography than anything. American conservatism is mostly in religious sections of the country and rarely anywhere else.
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>>71062723
He's still an atheist himself
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>>71070085
atheist in the vids, hebrew with the yids
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>>71069270

since when do bogus claims require arguments?
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>>71062723
>20 mins of some fag talking about atheism
why the fuck people care so much? A secular state and one's innate need for personal development, that's all there is
I don't have a problem with believers/non-believers as long as they don't force their bullshit down my throat
belief is just a belief and its relative, nothing more and nothing else. it should be kept personal and not shared, like warts on balls or something along the lines. just fucking keep it to yourself and embrace in your own masturbatory closed
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>>71069685
>philosophers
le magical book will think for you Mohamed Vettel
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>>71070520
>why the fuck people care so much?

religious fundies have a huge victim complex that rivals sjw's in america
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>>71070537
Looks like I will have to put things in layman's terms since I don't know Mandarin.

Cite me a world known Icelandic company.

I'll wait.
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>>71064835
>Making it a political thing almost looks like a jewish trick.

Good goy
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But is it an argument?
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>>71069685
>>71071096
>Population 329,100
>expecting famous scientists and major businessmen
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>>71065509
He never said anything about turning to god.

It's a matter of simple fact though that hardcore lefty atheists are literally human garbage and are bringing hell upon the west.
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>>71064687
way to not actually watch the video faggot.

They do tend to be leftist tho.

He says only about 1 in 10 isn't a leftist.

So, lucky you.
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>>71069270
God isn't real babycake
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>>71065848
He's not talking about atheism at all. None of the things he's ranting about are implied as a part of being an atheist. I think he's more just coming to the realization that Atheists don't actually believe there's no God for rational reasons. No, they believe there's no God because they put their faith in false Idols like multiculturalism, feminism, and white privilege.

They don't reject God as a matter of reason, but as a political position so they can be in opposition to traditional western values as their cultural marxist ideals tell them to be.

The best example of this is the way highly secular countries like Sweden and Germany are deliberately supporting Islam. The principle isn't anti-religion, it's anti-Western Culture.
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>>71065859
What is an Italian's idea of a "real job"?
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>>71071495
>He says only about 1 in 10 isn't a leftist.

calling someone a leftist in america doesn't mean anything anymore
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>>71066774
Childless people have no stake in the future of society and shouldn't be allowed to be a part of the political process.
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>>71068265
Woah woah woah, I'll give you the rest of them but food is our thing.
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>>71072447
Right, I should've written something along the lines of eating habits, seeing as you guys think burgers and fries are a normal school lunch
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>>71071975
This.
Dawkins is looking around at the mess he created and internally screaming. Despite his best intentions he was used as a pawn to destroy western civilization.
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why is worshiping something you can see and experience worse than worshiping something which has never given you even the slightest reason to believe it exists?
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I could only make it about 5 minutes

his argument boils down to "some atheists are douches, therefore I am not an atheist". What a faggot.
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>>71072685

because they dislike it
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>>71072685
If you like worshiping material things so much, why don't you get on your knees and start worshiping my cock
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>>71072685
Because relying on govt to baby you turns you into a nu male cuck who will never accomplish anything
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>>71072858
What does the government have to do with the argument?
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>>71064646
>call out the fallacy when people claim extremists aren't 'true muslims'
>does the exact same thing with ahtiests

Who are you to fucking judge what an atheist is or isn't? There are no tenets , there are no dogmas, no prescribed rituals to follow etc;

fedora memelords are just as much an atheist as you, paco
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>>71062723
It's called Statheism.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxTJnjLkbk8
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>>71072772
I know right, it's retarded.

I guess islam is alright then since some ragheads aren't terrorists.
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>>71066774
>"Aren't you glad you were born? How about you return the favor, asshole?"

I completely agree. BRB, off siring my parents.
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>>71072919
Worshipping the state, do you not understand context?
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>>71066774
>tfw your home country rarely ever posts and when it does it worse than a shitpost
Btw how do you even have electricity long enough to post Pham ?
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>>71072685
>which has never given you even the slightest reason to believe it exists?
speak for yourself, reprobate
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>>71062723
every head of state involved in WWI was religious, there are so many goddamned religious statists that this molyneux video is the one that makes me trust him a lot less

George Bush said God told him to invade Iraq, for crying out loud!!!!
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Ironically Christians were historically boot licking nationalists. Only in the modern era has it become a bad thing to support ones people and culture.
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Isn't Molyneux an atheist? or is this against hyper fedora atheists?
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>>71072544
Science has nothing to do with the crazies Cultural Marxists. Evolution is still pretty much fact, the Big Bang did happen, and the Earth is 4.5B years old.

This is a false dichotomy, thinking you need to be an Liberal to be an Atheist. You can be an Atheist and still be rational. I'm personally an Atheist that tries to live live reasonably. I also hate goverment with a passion and think that they are the source of most ills in the world.
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>>71073399
The atheist USSR killed significantly more people than every death attributed to WW1.
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>>71071975
This is what happens when you teach people atheism instead of teaching them critical thinking.

Atheism follows from critical thinking. An atheist without critical thought is just as dumb as the guy who thinks the world is flat because the bible says so.
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This guy reminds me of a south park character.
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AN
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>>71062723
Stefan is still an atheist though, he's just criticizing atheists as having replaced religion with the concept of the state.

You're a gigantic faggot OP. But this is no surprise.
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>>71073784
I see bullshit on /pol/ all the time like

>I was an atheist but after X happened I can't deny god anymore

Or they'll say something like "I was rebelling against my parents" or whatever other nonsense. It always perplexed me because I used to just assume atheists came to atheism logically and not because of external reasons.
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>>71062723
The way I remember things the word and concept "Atheist" first came up in Rome, when these people came along with their foreign ideas and were devoted not to any of the gods of Rome being as they were culturally half-Jewish namely Christians.

"Which shrine will you be reporting to then?"
"None." atheist.

ah well times change and language is more fluid like cubes of jello less like solid bricks
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he uses damn statistics its the same argument as #not all Muslims.
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>>71063099
http://pastebin.com/xMQ9wAwW
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>>71065859
Donations, not views, there re no adverts
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>>71073292
"Dad, crawl into my balls. Mom, get in my boi pussy. I'm returning the favor."
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>>71065509
Not really. Towards the end of the video he explains how he increasingly finds himself in the same corner as the Christians when it comes to various issues, with the added perk of Christians not telling him what to do or what to think.
Atheists are mostly lefties (another one of his arguments) since all they ever do is whine and bitch at the state whenever they're presented with a different idea.
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>>71064455
Made my first OC guy.
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>>71082411
Outstanding, saved for kek
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>>71072992
>The Contender
>Director: Rod Lurie
>Writer: Rod Lurie
>Pic related

I HAVE HAD IT
I WANT OFF THIS RIDE
WHY ARE YOU ALWAYS RIGHT /POL/

REEEEEEEEEEE
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>>71082411
I like Molyneux, but still.
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i missed the part where he proved that any god ever worshiped is real
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I watched the first 10 minutes this morning.
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>>71072115
Maybe if you're 20 years old and clueless about everything, you leftist faggot.
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>>71072992
Is that really Morrakiu? The pic I mean
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>>71062723
>666 hand sign
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>>71081706
Everything is better than Left. Pretty much the point of this video.
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Steph's pandering to /pol/ is a certainty at this point.

There's no logical justification for such a contrived perspective.

Name the logical connection between atheism and leftism?
Protip: you can't.
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>>71062723
>Atheism is an outgrowth of faith in the modern god called the state
Then how come there were many atheists before the birth of the the modern state?
Atheists have existed in all times and cultures. They are the only ones who agree with each other regardless of where and when they were born
It's religious people who never agree with each other. A Christian from 150 years ago would see Christians today as degenerate
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>>71084957
Degeneracy that is not tolerated in any religion dose not convince you?
Those non-violent queer Muslims that eat pork and drink beer are not religious people.
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>>71082411
Fixed
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>>71084957
Come on, faggot, I'm an atheist too but are you seriously trying to act like there's no link between religion and traditionalism/conservatism?
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"atheist"
literally means without god
'a' being without and 'theist'

All it means to be an atheist is to not believe in a god. It's not a cult it just describes a facet of someone's beliefs.

Buddhism is a religion that holds there is no 'god' and thus buddhists are also atheist.

From secular jews to fedora tippers to plain old non-believers. All quite different, wouldn't you say?

Notice their one similarity. Do you see it? it is that they worship NOTHING. They hold faith in NOTHING.

Thus to even suggest "Atheism is an outgrowth of faith in the modern god called the state." is patently false!

This sort of shit does nothing but bring up animosity.
and we direct it towards each other and not the fucking kikes/globalists/reptilians etc

STOP
Stop it Stefan! Stop it all you fucking blindsided baboons!
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>>71084957
Liberals tend to be more tolerant of just about any behavior, this includes atheism. They're also both against teaching creationism in schools. Also, atheists tend to be anti-war, especially anti-theistic/imperialistic wars, and pro-human.
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Stefan is the only worthwhile youtube political commentator right now, most of the others are either shills or cucks
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>>71085456
>d
that's not the point - there is a clear link between atheists and liberals - there is no denying that
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>>71085431
There may be a link between certain religions and conservatism, but there's no link between atheism and leftism.

>>71085575
That's an ideological link that leftism may lead to atheism.
Statistical correlation doesn't provide a logical link.

>>71085256
>Degeneracy that is not tolerated in any religion dose not convince you?

What about buddhism?
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>>71072772
>>71073120
No he raised concerns that the majority of atheists aren't atheist in the need to be purely rational. In doing so he explains that instead of believing in a God or deity they that they have started to worship the state. He then goes to point out that atheists are a much bigger danger to our freedoms than Christians ever were. Finally, he never told people to shy away from atheism or atheists but to be mindful, the same way Christians are now, about morals and virtues which cannot and should not be coerced by the state but instead should be taken upon by the person.
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>>71085575
>>71085431
>>71085256

Put it another way: What is it about not believing in god that leads someone to be a leftist?
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>>71085911
no you're doing it wrong.

there is literally nothing about not believing in god that leads one to be a leftist.

absolutely nothing.
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>>71062723
>Atheism is an outgrowth of faith in the modern god called the state
you expect me to spend twenty minutes watching somebody delve into this retarded of a comparison?
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God basically doesn't feel like a worthwhile answer. The Multi-verse can only ever be recursive based on common sense. God must have a cause and God's cause must have a cause.

If God exists then something had to have created God, how can something exist from nothing? The big bang must have had some cause but to say it was God seems pointless. At least the big bang came about based on physical observations.
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>>71085643
Explain the link. Citing a statistic does not explain it.
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>>71063099

anyone reasonably smart knows the existence of a specific god or the truth of a specifix existing religion is null
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>>71085911
That they never devoted themselves to pursue a higher virtue the same way religious people do. In doing so it leaves a vacuum in the human psyche that gets filled in with being Statists. Statism manifests itself as using a coercive power to subjugate other people to their own moral or ethical values. He explains that virtues and morals shouldn't be forced. He draws a comparison with the fact that Christians never ram their beliefs down his throat. He connected the commandment thou shalt not steal to illustrate how Christians are somewhat less susceptible to the thought of taxing other people. A states coercive power is limited to the amount they receive from taxation. However he never mentions that you need to be religious or that you need commandments to be less susceptible, all he said was that he sees this as a big problem with atheists.
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>>71085911
Not sure. Maybe it's the idea that we all have one life and that people should take care of each other and be fair for one another, and they see a government as a tool for equity. Whereas Christians have things like "Blessed are the meek for they shall inherit the Earth." Christians are extremely charitable though, so I'm probably wrong somewhere here.

Also as an atheist, you derive morals from secular thinking so things like gay marriage have no reason to be banned, even now /pol/ is obsessed with it and can't come up with an excuse besides "degeneracy". But I think even atheists are starting to wake up when trannies are starting to be considered whatever their "preferred" gender is.
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>>71065848
I completely agree. My biggest struggle with believing in God is that I always question where God came from. There is no sense in talking about it or even arguing about it because you will talk in circles. But I believe Christians do more good for the world, then they do evil. My grandparents are hardcore Catholic and they are they kind of people that sponsor poor kids from other countries. Say what you will about helping minorities from other countries, but at least they give a damn. I assume atheists hate children because they can't sustain their population.
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>>71085809
Buddhism is hugely broad and more ascetic sects do not tolerate degeneracy.

I think the argument is more so that atheism provides no defense against hedonism, degeneracy, and inevitable decay. Which it doesn't.
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>>71086658
Is it not possible that given enough time, a species such as ours would master science to the point of creating/constructing an entire universe like ours.

If that is true, which it certainly seems so. Why is that we can not even entertain the thought that this has already happened before?
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>>71062723
All u Faggots should at least listen for 4 minutes.

Fucking Pol/ it is like you didn't even listen.
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>>71085809
Buddhism is about self improvement and truth. Both terms may be unfamiliar to the Left.
Unless there is a sudden surge of Buddhism in western civilization you don't have to worry about it.
Buddhists don't really go around saying that they are atheists and they can believe in gods too.
You can be like a Christian-Buddhist so it bends every rule.
And you know damn well we are talking about fedoras.

>>71085911
Literary what you quoted from me. DEGENERACY.
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there may be a god, there may not be.

but identifying god is beyond human capacity.


god can be literally one of an infinite amount of forms.

to believe he is specifically the christian god or hindu gods, is just believing in moralistic fairytales.

its beyond sad that people believe god is required for virtue.
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>>71086675
>they never devoted themselves to pursue a higher virtue the same way religious people do.

Now try:
>they never devoted themselves to pursue a higher virtue the same way non-religious people do.

You're a literal theist fedora tipper
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>>71062723
Hi everybody Stefan Molyneux from freedomainradio I hope you're doing well!

Spanking your kids is the direct cause of all the world's evils, specifically wars and the government, which is an immoral system centralised around the monopoly of violence to commit taxation, which is nothing else but theft at gunpoint, a gross violation of the Non-Aggression principle. Any arguments against these are actually not an argument because of my own moral framework that I invented that you cannot refute because speaking to me is proof that my framework is correct and evidence of Universally Preferable Behaviour. Therefore I literally cannot be wrong because everything is literally not an argument. The only way we can slay the great beast that is the government is for you to donate more than one fucking dollar. If you call in we will have a discussion about how your daddy's rich and your momma's good lookin', but she was an evil vile woman who is a child abuser because she fought with her husband in front of you once. If my mother weren't my mother she would be FUCKING DEAD! I would have FUCKING KILLED HER! You must go to therapy and defoo because spending time around people that WANT YOU SHOT is suicidal. Throughout the call I will constantly interrupt you, and scold you if you do the same to me, but that's okay because I have the largest philosophy show in the history of humanity. However, I will not hesitate to hang up on you if you admit that free will does not exist, because I don't debate with robots.

P.S. I don't want to fuck you.
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>>71087119

the argument i have is that believing in a specific god is pointless other than for moralistic or philosophical reasons. which are for weak people btw.
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>>71086675
>That they never devoted themselves to pursue a higher virtue the same way religious people do. In doing so it leaves a vacuum in the human psyche that gets filled in with being Statists.

I thought christians always say atheists worship themselves as gods. Shouldn't atheism lead people to become individualists?

In fact, It's possible to make up any story you want when it comes to what atheists do. That's because atheism has no content.

NOT being christian means a person is "vulnerable" to becoming a buddhist, or a stoic, or an epicurian, or a pagan, or a rationalist, or a marxist, or a darwinist, or an ancap, or a jainist, etc etc.

Even if humans are forced to worship something in their minds, there's no reason they should pick the state. The story steph is pushing is pure conjecture without much basis.

>>71086950
>Buddhism is hugely broad and more ascetic sects do not tolerate degeneracy.
It's not nearly as broad as atheism.
>I think the argument is more so that atheism provides no defense against hedonism, degeneracy, and inevitable decay. Which it doesn't.

Of course it doesn't. It has no content. It's not an ideology. There's nothing about it to criticize.

>>71087442
>Literary what you quoted from me. DEGENERACY.
Atheism is not a belief in degeneracy though.
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>>71087590
That is all well and good, but none of that is an argument against Stef. That is the equivalent of the cucks who make fun of Trump to substitute an argument.
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>>71087553
Not an argument
What would me being a theist or being an atheist matter in what I just said?
Nigger not liking my comment is one thing that's fine but at least try your not to take this personal. Well how else would you suppose that atheists are predominately leftist?
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>>71068926
we wuz arguing an sheeeiiiit
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>>71087854
That's a really long winded way to say not an argument
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>>71062723
OYY VEYYY

SHUT IT DOWN

NOWW
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>>71087964
I felt like I had to stretch it a little bit, replying with "Not an argument" would have just made it seem like I was memeing instead of actually telling him what he was saying was literally not an argument.
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>>71062723
No just fucking stupid.
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>>71087807
>I thought christians always say atheists worship themselves as gods. Shouldn't atheism lead people to become individualists?
You can worship yourself as an individual sure, but without any guiding principles other than what you think is ok, which would always end up being what your predisposed to doing in the first place. Ergo no higher virtues.

>Even if humans are forced to worship something in their minds, there's no reason they should pick the state. The story steph is pushing is pure conjecture without much basis.
I can agree with this.

However it's pretty funny that you suggest they would worship something else with much less influence than the state. Just to remind you the state is how one is able to coerce others to act how they think others should. Stephan wouldn't have brought up atheism if he didn't see the connection with how a big portion of atheists see a moral fulfilment with the state in the sense that they get to enact others to do what they think is right.
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>>71087913
I never took anything personal, leaf.

I just read that line you posted, then laughed and imagined a neckbeard tipping his fedora, because I swear I've read an atheist post almost exactly the same line except with "deluded christians" or whatever in place of "religious people"
I thought the irony that the roles were reversed was delicious and decided to point it out.
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>>71087807
Who said it is? You wanted a connection. Left stands for things that are not allowed in religions. Religions are based on belief in god.
For Buddhism refer to previous post.
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>>71073547
>Evolution is still pretty much fact, the Big Bang did happen, and the Earth is 4.5B years old.
You don't need to be an atheist to accept scientific facts.
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>>71088507
>owever it's pretty funny that you suggest they would worship something else with much less influence than the state

It's funny you suggest that because I can't imagine why anyone would assume atheists worship anything .

I mean, it's not like atheists lack a belief in any higher power or something
hahaha i know rite
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>>71088507
All I'm saying is, if you have a problem with an ideology, address the ideology. Stef knows he's talking about the left and socialists. Marxism is a leftist ideology that leads people to be atheists.

Stef wants to address marxists, but is dishonestly framing the discussion as being against atheists.

There's philosophical reason to attack atheists when you want to attack leftists/marxists. Attacking a bad ideology makes sense. It's like attacking people who have little mustaches because people who have little mustaches have a higher tendency to be nazi's

The only reason to attack atheists as a group is to pander to christian viewership.
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>When you complain about theoretical physicists by saying they don't contribute to society and the someone points out you get payed to shill an ineffectual idealistic governmental system.
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>>71089492
>There's NO philosophical reason to attack atheists when you want to attack leftists/marxists
fixed
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>>71089492
Very good point
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>>71090007
You're like the first reasonable leaf i've met on /pol/
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>>71062723
Atheists don't reproduce as much because they're too busy sodomizing themselves with bananas.
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>>71089733
more
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>>71066774
His point was that leftists are disconnected from the reality of their policies. You can't enact entitlements that require growing populations and then as a group not even keep a neutral replacement rate. It creates a top heavy imbalance that destroys a nation either through the importation of shit cultures or collapse of the entitlements once they hit critical mass.

He said nothing about conservatives needing to have kids.
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>>71089733
hm
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>>71089733
follow the money?
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>>71089733
Yeah, not all science has the luxury of being as tight as physics.

The vast majority of it is straight trash riding the coat tails of actual science.
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>>71064835

There isnt though you can be evil and not know that you are evil . it all depends who the Authority figure is
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>>71090725
We exist, most of us are reasonable but we lose touch because of the memes.
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