What was Hitler's endgame in regard to Poland?
>inb4 he wanted to gas them all
I'm pretty sure this is false and if it is true, only his very close inner circle must have known. Hitler had many Polish/slavic acquaintances and there were tons of germans of polish descent who served the nazi state, even in very powerful positions.
>>71061631
>implying Hitler gave a shit about Poland
>implying anyone EVER gave a shit about Poland
>>71061631
to connect east prussia with the fatherland and bring in all ethnic germans into the reich. He loved his people probably more than any other leader in history.
>>71061947
Poland is best country of Europe. How does it feel to be SO unpopular, Allemagne?
He wanted to kill/deport most of us and leave some as "servant" race. There is a meme that he changed his mind when Germany starting losing the war but it's irrelevant to what he initially thought about us
>>71061947
>>71062070
A more precise question. What would become of Poland if Hitler had won the war?
>>71061631
Apparently they wanted to leave around 10 million Poles to do some labor or work in the agriculture
Around Krauts never Relax. They are from a different civilization, since the Xth century when princess Theophanu ruled there
I don't understand this affection for Germany - they've let Russia in Europe, in alliance with Russia they've destroyed Europe in 1939, thus letting bolshevism inside, these people are clearly wicked
>>71062169
Copypasta, but it works.
I can think of multiple other people like his Polish secretary and multiple poles in the SA
Hitler's best friend
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_Kubizek
One of the most higly decorated Nazis in WW2 and "the most dangerous man in Europe" Rescued Mussolini
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Skorzeny
"Holocauster"
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odilo_Globocnik
Suppressor of Warsaw uprising and Obergruppenführer
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erich_von_dem_Bach-Zelewski
Wehrmacht General
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curt_Badinski
>>71062169
Wasn't he just trying to resurrect the HRE? And didn't the Papacy enable this all the while giggling like little school boys?
>>71062107
I'm half polish, honey. That country isn't half as good as everybody claims, even if they do have a strong sense of nationality. Too much selfishness there. No real sense of cohesion as society.
>>71062289
Poland would have disappeared from the map for a few more years. Right until the polish would have gotten sick of having to listen to somebody else and started a revolt.
saw a picture today here from the third reich time, they planed east europe for industry and supply for the reich and a big border to russia
>>71062070
>to connect east prussia with the fatherland
>fatherland
Learn some history prussiacuck.
>>71062474
I see that you've been enlightened by the real scholar my friend.
>>71062794
I doubt the Polish propaganda is true. The idea of the Germans enslaving all of them is laughable.
Maybe he just wanted to wipe out their culture?
But then again he probably wouldn't want poles in the reich
>>71062747
hans frank (gg governor) said that later (after the war) they wanted to remove poles and ukrainians from the general government area to make room for german settlers
>>71063092
What are trying to say?
Besides, Prussia did nothing wrong.
>>71063252
Proofs?
>>71063234
This is exactly what Hitler wanted. To kill off Polish intelligence and turn everyone who's left into braindead peasant workers without any identity.
>>71061631
They were almost best bros. So close.. Yet so far.
>>71063436
You shouldn't forget that the allies planned to do that as well. Difference is that they did.
>>71063575
>implying anyone would ever suceed in that
>>71063834
I meant Germany. They succeded. Our country is demoralized beyond reparation.
>>71063834
God did
>>71063234
I didn't say enslave. Just the country being wiped from the map and annexed to the conquerors as has happened to Poland a few times in the course of history. From what my grandmother tells me, the german soldiers occupying the region were actually pretty nice people who got along with the polish (except with the whole jew thing, of course).
The whole enslaving shit was probably spawned or at least exaggerated by the soviets to vilify germany even more and distract from the crap the sovs pulled while "liberating" Poland.
When I said he didn't care about Poland I meant it. It simply happened to be on the way to Russia.
>>71062474
>in alliance with Russia they've destroyed Europe in 1939
Correction, that was the polishits who started the war.
>>71063909
There is still hope for Germany, Hans. All you need is a spark at the right time.
>>71063182
Ehh, szkoda, że go te prostaki zza granicy nie czytają
>>71062566
>literally a bunch of traitors
>>71063909
I pray you guys turn it around.
>>71064075
Poland and Britain prevented the war. Franz Halder quoted Hitler in his memoirs and wrote that Hitler said that he wouldn't attack if the Soviets didn't ally him. So, yeah, Germans are responsible for letting communism in Europe, clearly defenders of the civilization. Thankfully the german problem is gone and now is the long, painful period of Germans repenting themselves
>>71063425
you expect me to translate a polish source translated from german to english? I'm not gonna do that, it says it's from his notes or some protocols from 11 march 1942
>>71061631
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydhU0q9PJes
>>71063234
>Maybe he just wanted to wipe out their culture?
And wipe out 80% of us in the end, and make the rest slaves and assimilate some into the German population. They already stole like 200,000 blonde Polish children during WW2 that were never returned.
>>71063375
Inviting the Teutons on your own and Prussian territory then giving them some autonomic area was the biggest mistake a Polish king has ever made.
>>71063440
A German-Polish alliance was definitely possible before 1937-38 against the USSR, but it would be still a gamble in the end with all this "ubermensch" and lebensraum ideology. Maybe Poland would turn out much better taking that route, but it could turn bad, like Hitler attacking his " 1939 ally" Stalin in 1941.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeO9QbR2cSA
>>71064748
tl;dw?
>>71064802
>They already stole like 200,000 blonde Polish children during WW2 that were never returned.
Holy fuck, that's disgusting if true.
>>71061631
Annex the corridor and the german inhabited regions, repopulate these annexed regions with ethnic germans from russia, romania, yugoslavia, etc.
Hitler wasn't going to kill all the poles, the 'aryan' looking ones would have been germanised and the others would have just been serfs
>>71065055
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidnapping_of_children_by_Nazi_Germany
>>71061631
All Poles to be exterminated, with 4 milion sterilized slaves remaining. Poland was to become fully German by 1955.
>>71063440
I like how this fake propaganda omits calls by Hitler to destroy Poland made in 1921
>>71064035
German soldiers were infamous for rapes, murder and robberies.
>>71065180
"In the territory of Poland, only four grade schools would remain, in which education would be strictly limited. Children would be taught to count only to 500, to write their own name, and that God commanded Poles to serve Germans. Writing was determined to be unnecessary for the Polish population.
Parents who desired better education for their children would have to apply to the SS and police for a special permit. The permit would be awarded to children deemed "racially valuable". Those children would be taken to Germany to be Germanised. Even then, the fate of each child would be determined by the loyalty and obedience to the German state of his or her parents. A child determined to be "of little racial value" would not receive any further education.
Annual selection would be made every year among children from six to ten years of age according to German racial standards. Children deemed adequately German would be taken to Germany, given new names and further Germanised.[9] The aim of the plan was to destroy "Polish" as an ethnic group, and leave within Poland a considerable slave population to be used up over the next 10 years. Within 15 to 20 years, Poles would be completely eradicated.[11]"
Wow.. This sounds too crazy to be true. So incredibly evil, my god.
>>71065315
>>71065487
>>71065560
>t. zbygniew
>>71061631
Conquest like any country that beats another country in war.
Poland shouldn't have bit off more than they could chew.
>>71065055
That's nothing compared to executing 100,000+ of Polish intelligentsia, of which 60,000 were of noble heritage.
>>71062794
>Too much selfishness there.
FUCKING THIS. Every pole I've ever met has stabbed me, or my friends in the back for their own personal gain
>>71065771
Wasn't that the soviets who did that? I remember reading that the Germans discovered it and brought out the red cross to confirm it wasn't them.
>>71065611
Angela Merkel is of Polish lineage.
>>71061631
>What was Hitler's endgame in regard to
There was none, nazis were anglos puppets to weaken france and russia while wasting thousands of german lives doing so and wreaking havoc on the continent.
Learn balance of power politics.
>>71065938
Yeah, around 25,000-30,000.
>>71065938
I think you are thinking of Katyn, where the soviets killed polish officers
>>71062289
Maybe they would have their own semi-independent state at the size of the old Grand Duchy of Posen, which is the only rightfull polish land.
This or they would've become a minority like they were during the Province of Posen in Prussia
>>71065611
of course it is bullshit. the germans didn't want to eradicate polish heritage and even supported the catholics and orthodoxy in poland. by 1941 poles were allowed any position of power in poland and were conscripted into the wehrmacht, so don't trust the jewish virtual library for accurate historical references.
>>71065560
Weren't the russians? Or the british? It all depends who you ask.
>>71061631
austria and the parts of poland that are red should definitely be german territory
the sudetenland too but i'm not sure about all of the czech republic
definitely not the orange
he had little real interest in Poland, he invaded so that he'd have a better position from which to strike the Soviets
>>71065647
this guy gets it. Not even Hitler hated us Poles with the same compassion poles hate themselves and each other
>>71066123
Fucking hell... I hope Poland flourishes in the next coming decades. They deserve it.
Do you think there was a lasting disgenic impact in Poles as a result of all this?
>>71066300
It's really hard to know what's true and what's not. I know the jewish deaths are exaggerated for sure, but everything else is sort of blurry.
You hear so many conflicting things.
>>71062566
>Hitler's best friend
>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_Kubizek
>August was born into a middle-class Austrian family with Czech roots
>>71065055
At least they didnt murdered them, like the poles did upon the german population on "Poland"
>>71066763
And Globocnik was a slovene, von bach-zelewski was a kashubian, badinski was from the middle of germany and skorzeny was austrian
it's telling that when Nazis invaded the Soviet-controlled part of Poland in 41, they were greeted as liberators by the Polish population
>>71067189
>>71065938
germans did stuff like that too (e.g. palmiry massacre) but we aren't as salty about that today because, unlike russians, they weren't denying that for 50 years
>>71061631
Basically, Hitler did his own version of Europe uncucking. Apparently they didn't mind mixing of German and Polish blood for most part, even. My great-grandparents' was one such marriage. I have their certificate with cool svastika stamps.
>>71066935
You mean Soviets in the PRoP?
>>71066116
This guys knows. Britain has fucked with central Europe and Catholic Poland for the last 500 years.
>>71066275
You're a fucking idiot.
>>71066451
Kinda this, but he spoke of lebensraum in Mein Kampf, and its program was finalised after 1940.
>>71066609
Of course, Poland was the most fucked country in WW2 %-wise, definitely more than Germany, every fifth Pole died and 40% of the infrastructure was destroyed, plus loosing 1/3 of it's former total land area. Poland will never recover as it lost about 30 years in development, it can only start improving, but post-communist reality is not perfect...
>>71067264
It says there that 'thousands' of soviets collaborated, in truth millions did.
Look up the Lokot Autonomy, Kaminski Brigade, Russian Liberation Army, Cossack SS units, the Ukrainian and Belarusian nationalist units, white russian emigrees, the 1.5 million soviet Hilfswilligers, the trawniki men, etc.
>>71066935
You're retarded. >>71065771
>>71065805
kek
Trusting polo-niggers to not be niggers.
>>71067189
It's partially true. Soviet occupation was initially worse than German for ordinary people but it's wrong to say that Germans were seen as liberators by anyone
>>71067264
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eGo-NEcEVI
>>71067876
>>71062169
No, Russians would be servants. Polish would be middle class (German being high class)
>>71067690
It's not comparable to what the poles did to germans.
Also, german lives were more valuable during these times
>>71068106
Poles and soviets...
But poles were the guys that earned land
>>71068106
>It's not comparable to what the poles did to germans.
Did what? State sanctioned massacres on Germans never happened you idiot.
>>71068106
It's not comparable because while the Poles did kill several thousand ethnic German civilians before and after the start of the war, the Nazis went on to kill hundreds of thousands of Poles during the war
>>71064802
> like Hitler attacking his " 1939 ally" Stalin in 1941.
It was always going to happen. Nobody believed they were allies. It was simply a question of who would strike first.
>>71067822
Many poles, ukrainians, eastern ethnicities & Russians saw the Germans as liberators.
There were many anti-Jewish pogroms going on before the nazies even arived in eastern-european states.
Perhaps not a majority saw it this way, but their were people who did.
>>71068297
>It's not comparable because while the Poles did kill several thousand ethnic German civilians before
DIDN'T HAPPEN. Maybe some isolated incidents in the hundreds, but not in the 60,000. There were a lot of Poles living in Germany as well, the Polish state would never put them in such a risk.
>>71068219
"State sanctioned..."
"Brothers, take up your scythes! Let us hurry to war!
Poland's oppression is over, we shall tarry no more.
Gather hordes about yourselves. Our enemy, the German, shall fall!
Loot and rob and burn! Let the enemies die a painful death.
He that hangs the German dogs will gain God's reward.
I, the provost, promise you shall attain Heaven for it.
Every sin will be forgiven, even well-planned murder,
If it promotes Polish freedom everywhere.
But curses on the evil one who dares speak well of Germany to us.
Poland shall and must survive. The Pope and God have promised it.
Russia and Prussia must fall. Hail the Polish banner!
So rejoice ye all: Polzka zyje, great and small!"9
>>71068463
It was somewhere around 5,000 iirc, mostly after war was declared, and obviously it was sporadic incidents rather than official or state sponsored massacres like the Germans did
>>71068449
>Many poles, ukrainians, eastern ethnicities & Russians saw the Germans as liberators.
In Poland mostly and almost exclusively the Volksdeutsche.
>>71068553
>Poland's oppression is over, we shall tarry no more.
>Our enemy, the German, shall fall!
Oh fuck off you idiot.
>It was somewhere around 5,000 iirc
Yes, those did happen in the thousands, DURIG THE INVASION.
>mostly after war was declared,
Exactly, after 100 more Poles were dying and civilians being executed. The Bromberg massacre is a perfect example.
>>71061631
Nazi Germany viewed Poland and the East in general the same way Americans viewed the west: the new frontier to be colonized. They undertook massive settlement programs and evicted many polish villages to convert them into german ones
Because they wanted their territory back. Danzig wanted to rejoin. Poland were being faggots. Germany declared war, but the west only declared war on Germany and not the Soviets, thusly letting communism thrive for half a century.
>>71064606
Wew, that's harsh. I knew a Polish girl in grade school, in fact she was the first girl I ever fell in love with. She had a tremendous gap, a certain swagger and plump luscious lips. I never got her because it was grade school, later lived with a German blonde for some years to my eternal regret. I have some Scottish, German and English ancestry and sometimes think the old world was mostly about countries raping each other for God over the course of a millennium or two. Good luck Poland!
>>71068106
>123 years of persecution (inb4 - muh partitions are irrelevant)
>saving Germoney from bolsheviks and getting anither war in return (inb4 - bolsheviks were weak and Germany didn't need help anyway)
>Warsaw destroyed up to 80% and reparation costs never returned (inb4 - muh Dresden)
>relocations (inb4 - the non-existent genocide in Danzig)
>concentration camps filled mainly with slavs, mostly Poles (inb4 - Jewish propaganda, those were actually Russian camps)
Oh gee, I wonder how we could've topped that.
>>71068859
That >>71068553 was a Catholic Polish battle song, which was sung at the Pan-Slavic Congress in Prague in 1848.
Book:
Poland and Falsifications of Polish History
by Else Löser
On 26 August 1920, the Polish priest in Adelnau said in an address: ‘All Germans in Poland must be hanged.’
'Perhaps not state sanctioned...'
>>71068553
You seriously fucking dumb. Poland's oppression then was already ended, because our independence was won in the Great Poland Uprising and trough the Pilsudski Legions. No Germans needed to fall after 1918. That's song written during the partitions in 1848.
>Here is the text of another Polish-Catholic war song which was sung in 1848 at the Pan-Slavic Congress in Prague:
>>71069239
You cannot deny the fact that your nation was behind the Iron Curtain...
I wonder if you are suggesting that the Jews were not behind Communism & the Soviet union.
>>71069299
My point was that there was social & cultural hatred towards Germans you Swedish nigger.
>>71069268
>1848
>literally during the partitions
>ooga booga, beware of the big bad Pole
Too many stormfags.
It's ironic, because the Polish fight for independence is condemned, while everyone wants to kill muslims and get their panties in a bunch when some bad news arise.
>>71065771
>>71066234
Germans did dozens of massacres like Katyn, for example AB Aktion.
>>71066300
Germans executed hundred of Polish priests and actively tried to destroy Polish church. There was no Polish adminstration or people in power.
>>71069521
>I wonder if...
>literally anyone from before the 90's should know "wasze ulice, nasze kamienice"
You can act smart, I support that. But try to be more subtle.
>>71069268
>the Polish priest in Adelnau said in an address: ‘All Germans in Poland must be hanged.’
>said all Polish priests
>said the Polish state
>said all Poles
These were isolated incidents, all priests are human beings and think differently, some say even stupid shit today, don't be an idiot. The state never sanctioned, unlike with Germans. Just read what Bismarck and others of his like wrote.
>was social & cultural hatred towards Germans
That was mutual pre, during and post partitions, and the Germans started it and gave Poles a reason to feel this way idiot. But it wasn't that bad in the 30's as Nazi Goebble's proapaganda made it seem to be to justify their invasion togther with the Soviets.
>>71069842
Katyn was done by the Soviets senpai.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Polish_sentiment
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Anti-Polonism
>>71061631
He didn't seem to give a shit about Poles. Germans for a long time wanted to take over Poland, and some parts of the baltic nations afaik which never ever belonged to them. But hey that's the dilemma with germanic people, go to south africa, get your offspring killed by niggers. Invade poland trying to achieve a cultural victory over them and have them kill and fucking bayonet you in september of 1939. And the thing is there's slavic ringforts found in northern germany close to Denmark, and there were Slavs known as Obotrites in northern Poland. Northern Poland never belonged to any Germans. Northern Poland is for Slavs and Balts to live in peace not Germans.
Thanks to Mathias Schenck from Belgium, many previously unknown episodes of the carnage have been revealed. The brutal murder of 500 small children was committed by Dirlewanger during the 1944 Wola massacre. Schenck testified,
"After the door of the building was blown off we saw a daycare-full of small children, around 500; all with small hands in the air. Even Dirlewanger's own people called him a butcher; he ordered to kill them all. The shots were fired, but he requested his men to save the ammo and finish them off by rifle-butts and bayonets. Blood and brain matter flowed in streams down the stairs."
Brought to you by National Socialism, specifically the 36th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/36th_Waffen_Grenadier_Division_of_the_SS
>>71069645
Was for you:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Polish_sentiment
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Anti-Polonism
>>71070013
He didn't say Katyń was done by Germans, only that there were massacres done by Germans similar to the one in Katyń.
>>71070000
I admit I had to google that.
>>71069739
Stormfags need to result to such weak attempted almost non-arguments because they have so little to go on to keep their version credible. One even linked me to a site of these alleged massacres committed on the German population before the war, all these massacres were clearly documented on the site and started from 1-3 September 1939... It's like they don't even read their own "sources" and "proof".
>>71070435
Oh, that's right.
>>71061631
>poland
>a country
nice b8 m8
>>71070846
>>71070966
>>71070846
Berling in 2012.
Hitler wanted to Germanise Eastern Europe. Of that there is no doubt. Stormfags who deny this are literal autist and I am ashamed to share a board with them. Hitler even started colonising Poland with Germans before the war even ended with the Heims ins Reich programme.
>>71061631
>What was Hitler's endgame in regard to Poland?
The regions which had been part of the German Empire would have been reclaimed by the Reich, while the remainder would have been placed under the care of an allied regime like Vichy France.
>>71072055
Nope, Hitler never wanted puppet Poland, he said clearly that all traces of Poland and Poles must be destroyed.
>>71070013
Bismarck wrote that Poles are animals and should be eradicated.
The whole war was Poland's fault.
All Germany asked for was the Danzig corridor.
They gave very reasonable offers multiple times to try and avoid conflict but poland was just acting like an uppity nigger and denied them all.
Even after the invasion there were multiple peace offerings from Germany which were all refused.
>>71072055
To think all this shit happened because of inviting the Teutons to take care of the Prussians...
>he said clearly that all traces of Poland and Poles must be destroyed.
Not entirely, especially towards the end he saw that mixing could bring some profits apparently. Hitler was just a emotional mental mess.
>>71072367
Something like that.
>>71072397
>They gave very reasonable offers multiple times
Oh fuck off idiot. + They gave these "offers" while the Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact was already signed and ready to go.
>>71072282
Sure he did Rabbi, sure he did.
>>71070846
You're gonna need fuck off this time mon frère.
>>71072624
80% would be killed; rest to use as slaves and sterilised, some would be Germanised. During the end of the war he turned away a little and said that Germans mixing with Polish could bring some great character trait profits to the German people. Basically the Nazis were sick and came up with biased chauvinistic ideas not based in reality.
Germanization projects.
>East
Poland, Baltic countries: quickly germanized and integrated
Ruthenia and Western Russia: to be germanized later.
>West
France: Projects were of a Breton state and a Burgundian one, to be run by the SS, with germanization policies.
The major coastal cities were to become german populated Festungen.
Netherlands: to be integrated to Germany, until then, vassalized (intent was that the dutch retained control over their colonies)
Belgium: to be integrated. Some say that as the walloons and northern french are racially more germanic they would just have had to learn the german tongue.
the UK: As Hitler was fascinated by the mighty British Empire the country may would have remained independant.
>North
The NS considered that scandis were a good racial pool. They were fascinated by the phenotypes that are common there. They would have had the german language imposed and their countries integrated.
>South
No informations there as the interests germans had either in the iberian or the italian or the balkanic peninsulae were mostly strategic in nature.
>Bonus
USA: Hitler was not dumb so forget about your netflix high castle meme dream.
>>71061631
Danzig (G'dansk) was a German city and the whole world knew it. Geography was the problem. Political self-determination is a fundamental right
>>71073194
>Danzig (G'dansk) was a German city and the whole world knew it.
Historically no. And it wasn't really about Danzig, it was just a pretext.
>Geography was the problem.
Gee, I wonder why!
The NS regime was highly hybristic in nature
But, considering that the two alternatives are both highly hybristic as well and both anti white in nature, while the NS were not, i would have picked the NS over the commiejews and the moneyjews anytime
>>71067001
kashubian=poles something like bavarians in germany
skorzeny his family came from village in central Poland Skorzencin
Badinski- all surname with -ski , -cki have polish roots, before the war in germany lived 1,5mln poles in central and west germany
>>71061947
>implying anyone EVER gave a shit about Poland
Thats why there are always 10 threads / day about Poland on /int/ and 15 on /pol/
>literally start killing and deporting Poles
>g-guise Hitler didn't mean it he actually loved Slavs!
What is this gay faggotry?
What's with these rainbow Nazis here?
Nazis planned to exterminate or enslave most of Western and Eastern Slavs, and they even undertook actions to fullfil that goal. In case they won, it would only intensify.
>>71074023
>commiejews
>>71075956
>Again Jewish dirty hands? No, never again!
Rough translation.
>>71061631
What is every emperor's endgame?
My girlfriend is 1/4 Polish
I will have to ask her later tonight
>>71071306
Disgusting. Krauts are so unbelievably pathetic doing that to themselves.
>>71073167
This is so sad. It's nice to be into your own people, but not to the point where you disrespect your neighbors, even the ones who deserve nothing but respect. The Danish language is already Germanized and is the worst-sounding Scandi language with that disgusting throat R. Poles are absolutely worthy of a powerful state.
>going for full lebensraum and allying Russia when you could ally Poland, give them Ukraine and Belarus in exchange for connecting Germany to Prussia, setting up the perfect buffer state and bringing a neat empire back
Could have both a German and Polish empire today. What would Romania look like with none of that soviet history?
>>71062794
"honey"
>>71065805
it's called playing the game my man
>>71065739
they where fucked no matter what might as well fight
>>71073167
I just don't understand how they planned to accomplish all of this.
