makes you wonder...
>>71059249
I see a bunch of graphs that don't even correlate with each other.
> more government jobs is more gdp
Wooooooooooow, it's fucking nothing
>>71059249
Third world countries have more potential for growth, developed countries are closer to reaching a steady state.
>>71059249
Immigration makes the population grow.
If the population grows faster than the economy, people still get poorer.
Also check debt levels pls.
>>71059249
>sweden spending money importing sand niggers to come rape their women
>GDP goes up
>this is a good thing
Well, shit. I guess we need to open our borders as well.
>>71059249
We really need to make real GDP PER CAPITA growth, the gold standard.
Getting an extra 2% of GDP growth because you have 2% population growth gets you nowhere.
/pol/ is never right lol
>>71059597
>Third world countries
>GDP per Capita
Sweden 47,922
Germany 46,893
wew
>>71059707
>Also check debt levels pls.
it's literally the lowest in 10 years
Imigration is not bad, giving them money for free is bad. Just listen to this guy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4jc7g5fmSk
>>71059779
Fuck you leaf
The US spend trillions rebuilding Germany
GO suck your muslim cock
>>71059249
It's because Sweden just went through a major financial crisis in 2008. Now they are just starting to recover.
>>71059249
>>71060047
stop shilling for this shit even our immigrants know that sweden is turning into shit.
>>71059249
Prove to me that there is a correlation.
Oh no wait, you're hypothesising.
And this is why your country will always be poor you dirty Bosniak scum
of course GDP increases with population, even if only 10% of the immigrants work that results in GDP rise.
>>71059249
Immigration = good if done properly and they assimilate
Illegal Immigration = bad
>mass immigration
>housing costs go up
>debt increases
>wages stagnate
>gdp increases
>standard of living plummets
It's the same story everywhere
>the economy is the only thing that matters
t. Soros
>>71060569
>The US spend trillions rebuilding Germany
What do they teach you in school? Seriously.
migration=/= illegal immigration
>>71060893
>production decreases
>housing costs increase
>gdp increases
>country is soaked in debt abd a housing bubble
It's economic suicide but hey the GDP went up this quarter so it's ok right? Have fun buying that million dollar shack.
>>71061028
>>71061061
>>71061100
>>71061137
>>71059461
This. Broken window fallacy
>>71059249
OH SHIT ARE NORWEGIANS STARVING!?
> Also
> GDP
i.e the kikes share
> GPP
the peoples share.
> Happyness/ non rape
a good barometer of success.
>>71061192
>growth RATE
>chart begins after financial crisis 2008-2010
>>71059779
Don't be a faggot, just look at winnipeg
>>71060671
True.
>>71060893
Yep.
Cheap labor force imported to do shit jobs of maintenance of current state, no expansion.
Property values are inflated everywhere. I think it's just a symptom of the globalized economy.
>>71061338
>>71061450
>>71061450
>>71061338
>>71061236
Is this for real?
>>71061391
So property bubbles being the worst in places with mass immigration is just a coincidence?
>>71061545
This isn't normal
but on mass immigration it is.
And hey you can even play the game yourself
http://www.crackshackormansion.com/
>>71061638
>>71059249
First, that graph doesn't mean anything as you presented as it is.
Second, more GDP means absolutely nothing. Gross Domestic Product means how much total money exchange people made. What you're probably trying to say could easily mean looking at 1 dude making $150k a year as a MD with wife and 2 Kids and some 8 family cluster fuck with all of them working McDonald with total income of $250k and say the family of 8 is doing better off. Start off by learning things learn GDP per capita Senpai.
>>71061727
>>71061797
>>71061781
wait a minute you want a medium wage job? What are you some kind of Nazi?
>>71061549
Absolutely, anon. Now why don't you go and invest in some property?
>>71060964
They teach them about the Marshall Plan apparently? I swear Norwegians are stupid as fuck.
>>71062068
*pure coincidence*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z49iZ0O1bSs
>>71062157
well it wasn't trillions it was $130 billion
that's still a lot though. We're going to need another hundred billion to save them when we liberate them from the rapefugees.
>>71059249
Govt spending
>>71060431
>Polish politician talking about the invasion of *human trash* when his own countrymen flooded Western Europe en masse
No offense but I'll take anything Polish politicians have to say with a grain of salt, seeing as how they ran/run your country.
>>71060651
>Sweden
>immediately after the global financial crisis soared with 8% rise in GDP (highest of all Scandinavian countries) and has grew steadily, particularly in the last 5 years
>Other 3 countries
>smaller post crisis recovery, inconsistent growth (Norway) or slow growth with quarters of stagnation and shrinkage (Finland, Denmark)
>>71060893
>>71061028
I'm sorry but your premises are entirely wrong and sound like they're made by someone with little to no understanding of macroeconomics. How can GDP rise if production is decreasing? How can production decrease if the wages are stagnating? Why are you implying that the price of housing is inflated due to immigration when neighboring Norway also ridiculously inflated housing prices?
>>71060945
>my feelings are what matters not
T-Tumblr?
>>71062765
>unironically using muh gdp as an argument
>>71062765
>How can GDP rise if production is decreasing?
housing bubbles are counted as a "GDP growth" moron
try learning anything about economics ever.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_housing_bubble
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sbN4bOfLUE
http://www.amazon.com/THE-BUBBLE-BEYOND-Michael-Hudson/dp/3981484207
>>71063215
http://michael-hudson.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/RoadToSerfdom.pdf
>>71062430
Oh shit I didn't read it as trillions, sorry Norway.
I think you guys have done enough liberating, just make Europe a protectorate. Lock the continent in a soft padded room, they're a danger to themselves and others at this point.
>>71062934
what else should I use? maybe the external debt? Here's a nice comparison between Finland and Sweden
>>71063629
use real wages and private debt to GDP ratios
>>71063947
US real wages after mass immigration (began 1965)
>>71064001
>>71064064
correct me if I'm wrong but isn't your graph clearly showing that Swedes have more disposable income with each passing year?
More gibsmedats, more money allocated on welfare, more money spent. Here you go gdp numbers increased
>>71064064
Or look at Sweden's negative interest rates (sign of terrible economy) and production decline
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/12151611/Sweden-takes-negative-interest-rates-even-lower-as-Riksbank-fights-to-keep-up-with-global-stimulus.html
>>71064064
>1.5x as much disposable income
>3.5x as much household debt
brilliant math skills you have
>>71059249
Those countries were experiencing a decrease in population, so therefore it would be natural to assume the GDP of the country would be in a slow, steady decline, but the standard of living would still be the same. Of course millions of immigrants will spur short-term economic growth through their sheer numbers. Expect the GDP of these cucked countries to drop severely once they start to hit 25% muslim thresholds and slowly turn into Syria, and have white refugees flee in mass.
>>71059249
I explain it by the fact our economic systems demand constant growth else they will collapse in on themselves. This shit would happen shitskin importation or not.
>>71064928
so how come only Swedish economy is on the rise while their immediate neighbors have stagnating/declining economies?
>>71064822
>>71064928
standard of living goes up when your population begins to decrease
>higher relative wages
>less debt
see: Japan
http://www.unz.com/isteve/due-to-a-lack-of-mass-immigration-japan-is-plagued-by-a-rising-standard-of-living/
if high population=utopia then India should be the greatest country on earth
>>71059249
>GDP
>relevant measurement for social and economic welfare
>>71059249
Earthquakes, floods, house fires, bumpy roads and divorce lawyers also increase gdp.
Gotta need more of those, right?
>>71065341
so what is a good indicator of economic welfare?
having twice as much external debt burdening an economy half the size? because that's where Finland is compared to Sweden
>>71065195
>immediate neighbors have stagnating/declining economies?
why are you lying on the internet?
The migrant crisis alone is costing them $50 billion
http://www.friatider.se/tullberg-asylkaoset-2015-kostar-sverige-600-miljarder-skattekronor
>>71065656
every single one of your graphs is either completely unrelated or severely outdated. please stop shitting up my thread with pointless garbage.
>>71065898
>literally the most recent on google trends
>outdated
kek kill yourself pro migrant shill
Also Norway and Denmark have plenty of muslim mass immigration so you aren't fooling anyone.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Norway
>>71066093
>most recent
>2013
>Q1 of 2016 literally in the OP
as I said, you're shitting up my thread. I'd rather it 404s in decent discussion than some tard bumping it with garbage. /pol/ isn't exactly a board for enlightened discussion but damn it it's no /b/ either.
>>71062756
Samefag obvi, but no one seems to care
>>71061934
This chart is from 2009. The US has created 14 million jobs since then genius.
>>71059249
>>71059249
I bet you think spikes in I\ice cream sales increase murder rates?
Correlation =/= Causation. Half of all jobless in Sweden are foreigners, 15% of the total are foreigners. Half of all jobless in Sweden are foreigners. Half of all jobless in Sweden are foreigners. They've had an influx of people who've herded sheep their whole life and now they find themselves being structurally unemployed in largely professional and mechanized economy, who would have thought? They are a net burden when every expense is accounted for, especially when you narrow it down to non-westerners.
Sweden has a strong private industry sector. It's not going to vanish because Kamir and Abdul get some gibsmedats.
Oh, and those other 3 countries have immigration UP THE ASS as well.
>>71066366
kek you're so butthurt
I guarantee you're a mudshit because you deny reality when it's staring you in the face.
http://www.economist.com/news/finance-and-economics/21606895-interest-rates-are-back-crisis-lows-sub-zero-conditions
>negative interest rates
>stagnant wages
>historic debt levels
>everything is just fine more migrnats pls :^)
>>71066716
nope it's been a low wage """"recovery""""
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/8/14/1411883/-Behind-the-Numbers-The-Anatomy-of-a-Low-Wage-Recovery
>>71059249
>growth rate declining in each one
what kind of fucking bait is this?
>>71065583
How about checking the welfare intake?
How much successful businesses does Sweden have?
Finland have pushed way over the top the corporate tax rate, which has driven many companies out of business of many more have left the country for example to Estonia.
Estonia is (or at least was) the fastest growing economy in Europe thanks to this.
>>71066929
It's terrible b8 not even the real GDP growth rate for Sweden
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/sweden/gdp-growth
but that's what happens when you talk to mudshits
>>71067271
boy it sure is great having such high household debt
thanks immigration!
>>71068033
>Implying immigrants don't boost the economy
How much of that debt is from morning after pills, pepper-spray, and pregnancy tests because the rapes?
>>71068238
the majority of all debt is in housing (created by higher demand from mass immigration and cheap credit)
and oh look housing costs are outpacing wages in Sweden what a surprise
>>71068335
The immigrants are aiding the real estate market.
>>71059249
Recovery from global financial crisis sees an increase in growth rate??????????
Shocker
>>71059249
>Growth
Now break down that growth by sector.
I could have the government requisition 10,000,000 new widgets, and that would increase GDP, yet fundamental economic growth is not occurring.
>>71068427
>aiding the real estate market
>making housing unaffordable so a few bankers make millions on higher interest payments
Yeah that sure is great for the average Swede. How wonderful that they can't afford anything due to debt bubbles. Truly this is the modern economy of progress and productivity.
>>71067188
I'm sorry but since I only deal in hard factual economy indexes you'll have to be more concrete with terms *welfare intake* and the amount of *successful businesses*
>>71067271
>can't tell the difference between growth rate and annual growth rate
>thinks he's being lied to and throws around ad hominems even though he is clearly incapable of understanding the arguments at hand
also for >>71068033
you do realize that compared to other Scandinavian countries personal debt is far lower in Sweden (pic rel) also even though you continuously spout household debt, again Swedish DPI to household debt is significantly lower than that of their neighbors (link rel): http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Dvbruu1IeO0/Ug5i--lI1UI/AAAAAAAAItU/2lgxceL1Ojk/s640/Debt+to+Income+Norway+and+other.png
>>71068428
so how come their neighbors are experiencing nowhere near their growth (despite some of them having shrunk up to 2 points more)
>>71068480
>I could have the government requisition 10,000,000 new widgets
Actually you couldn't. Government spending in relation to economic boost is ruled by the law of diminishing returns. Sweden (and whole Eurozone in fact) are already more or less at the limit of where gov spending is boosting the economy.
>>71068578
>being in record debt sure is great
>>71062765
Why don't you take a look at Sweden's HDI?
That is far more indicative of the state of affairs than GDP which is mostly a bullshit number that doesn't mean much.
>>71068865
>per adult
>not as a percent of GDP
kek you can't make this shit up
>2011
now who's out of date faggot?
>>71068884
have fun refuting this btw
>>71068865
greece lowest now i know its bullshit
>>71068865
Because oil has gone to shit and Finland got lucky to be in the position they were in before and are suffering now.
Sweden will decline fairly significantly in the next 10+ year period i have no doubt.
>>71069000
Incredibly stupid comment.
>>71061549
300% isn't a bubble tho
>>71061638
you shul try a log scale chart
>>71068865
> >>71069305 Covers it up well.
And still:
>"I only deal in hard factual economy indexes"
>thinks high debt per adult is accurate measurement and even relevant
>?also mass immigration = low debt per adult?
ayyyyyyyyyyyyyy lmao
>>71069322
It's per person instead of as a percentage of GDP
It's intentionally misleading because it's based off population and not the economy.
>>71069716
>>71069749
t. Shekelstein
http://vanmag.com/city/vancouver-real-estate-bubble/
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/london-housing-bubble-is-no-longer-sustainable-says-nationwide-boss-a6742976.html
>>71069409
Incredibly stupid poster.
You think a bunch of corporations making a ton of money while your entire population has no access to education or healthcare is good?
Because that could lead to a high GDP but a low HDI. HDI matters far more for the population than GDP which is a rather meaningless number that economists circle jerk over.
>>71069939
bubbles are in shorter time frames and are more severe in increase, usually about 1000%
>>71070019
Ok Greenspan settle down buddy
>>71070220
look at this 1000% increase!!
oh wait
>>71069305
lel
>>71069839
>Covers it up well.
lel, no he doesn't. he keeps crying about personal debt, and that chart shows personal debt. it's painfully obvious that neither of you knows what the fuck you're talking about.
>>71069322
not really. a hypothetical Greek family of 4 with a 80.000 USD debt is actually in a far worse position than a Danish family of 4 with a 400.000 USD of debt
>>71069409
I disagree. The growth of their workforce and improved demographic (in terms of median age) will help them gain an edge over other Scandinavian countries (and indeed, other Eurozone countries)
>>71069957
Up to 2010, chief element of HDI was GDP. You clearly don't know what you're talking about.
>HDI matters far more for the population than GDP
Soros got rich by pretty betting against the economy so if he's funding mass immigration it probably won't do much good
>>71070335
you mean 100%?
>>71069305
lel
>>71069839
>Covers it up well.
lel, no he doesn't. he keeps crying about personal debt, and that chart shows personal debt. it's painfully obvious that neither of you knows what the fuck you're talking about.
>>71069322
not really. a hypothetical Greek family of 4 with a 80.000 USD debt is actually in a far worse position than a Danish family of 4 with a 400.000 USD of debt
>>71069409
I disagree. The growth of their workforce and improved demographic (in terms of median age) will help them gain an edge over other Scandinavian countries (and indeed, other Eurozone countries)
>>71069957
Up to 2010, chief element of HDI was GDP. You clearly don't know what you're talking about.
>>71070493
oy vey
>>71070450
All those unskilled workers are important for their skill based economy?
>>71070450
>>71070493
>it's painfully obvious that neither of you knows what the fuck you're talking about.
said the dumb fuck that used debt per person instead of as a % of gdp
>>71070450
You spin me right round baby right round like a record baby right round round round
>>71070759
>leftcucks WILL defend this
>>71070862
debt can be okay if it produces income
whats the trade deficit?
>>71059249
Even an oil spill increases gdp, is that really a good measure of anything? Just imagine what Sweden's growth would be without sandnigger leeches.
>>71070450
>Up to 2010, chief element of HDI was GDP. You clearly don't know what you're talking about
Actually you're just a full retard that understands nothing he talks about.
>GDP per capita (already a big difference than raw GDP) a purchasing power parity (another important difference)
>Life expectancy BECAUSE HOW LONG PEOPLE LIVE ISN'T IMPORTANT. LETS JUST FOCUS ON GDP
>Adult literacy and education enrollment, NOT IMPORTANT. WHO CARES IF YOUR POPULATION CAN READ. MORE GDP PLEASE.
>>71070534
Even in the most advanced economies there are plenty low skill jobs that need to be filled up. Do you think there are enough Swedes willing to work as toilet attendants, busboys, taxi drivers, janitors, etc.
Western and Northern Europe doesn't need doctors and rocket scientists. They're producing enough of them.
>>71070759
>personal debt as % of GDP
>ohshitniggawhatchyadoing.jpb
>>71059249
>muh gdp
Grow up
>>71070946
>is that really a good measure of anything?
It's not. There are a lot of better ways of looking at things. GDP is just for dumb fucks to jerk off over big numbers. It's meaning is so abstract and limited but people focus on it more than other far more relevant metrics.
>>71071009
private debt you dumb fuck
>>71071009
I know Muhammed forbids education outside the Koran but this is ridiculous
>>71070923
Housing debt outpaces wages
see
>>71064064
>>71071009
Yes they will.
Swedes work menial jobs in Norway because of higher pay.
If these fucks were not imported the jobs would get done.
>>71059249
>makes you wonder...
We're borrowing billions.
We've added hundreds of thousands that must have housing into a housing market that was already red hot and close to collapse.
This means prices go up. Housing index goes up. Spending goes up.
All the economic markers look great, right? Wrong. We added hundreds of thousands as shadow citizens that drain our resources, committed to investing billions into people that will never give anything back and we're financing it all by ruining our future. It's utter insanity. They'll claim they had no idea it wouldn't work out when we're collapsing in a couple of years.
Think of it this way, if borrowing billions to inject in the economy through added demands on healthcare and schools, why the fuck aren't we doing that every single year, for our own population? Surely the more you spend, the more you get?
>>71071009
meant to link
this
>>71060893
>>71071411
Lets not mention the social disaster.
But hey your new muslim neighbour is Cultured and a nice guy!
>>71059249
>GDP growing
>must be due to immigration, no other explanation
>implying GDP growth is a good thing
>implying you even know what constitutes GDP in those graphs
>>71071095
It's the shittiest of all indicators of how well a country is doing, even from a purely economic standpoint. It says very little about the actual wealth of its people, about affordability or standards of living. A nation of a thousand owners and a million slaves could have a great GDP per capita and still be a shithole for almost everybody.
>>71071411
you are doing that every single year
>MUH GDP
>>71071714
dont forget
>muh restraunts
Immigration is not an issue, nonwhite/nonasian immigration is a problem.
>>71059249
>>71059779
All those false causes. Do you even sticky?
bumping with economic redpills
http://www.unz.com/mwhitney/the-chart-that-explains-everything/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsTkZQBPbGQ
https://books.google.com/books?id=xH5wCgAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=michael+hudson&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwis156v65HMAhXKu4MKHUiCBR4Q6AEIHDAA#v=onepage&q=michael%20hudson&f=false
>>71059249
>more people = more gdp
Who'da fucking thought?
>>71073293
but also a lower standard of living, higher debt, and stagnant wages
http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/01/15/the-chart-that-explains-everything/
Immigration lovers don't like to mention that part.
>>71073402
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uv6kEd9C9CM
>>71073893
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjY5Y-eQZTw
>>71059249
Immigration is literally genocide. You're replacing the native population with a foreign horde. Decades of kike propaganda have made people think immigration is a good thing and white countries need more non-whites because... uh... well they never actually give a logical reason for that.
>>71074571
It's literally called "replacement migration" by the UN
http://www.un.org/esa/population/publications/migration/migration.htm
>>71074311
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=631PCk1Iy8Y
>>71075835
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhmKlNe8NDQ
>>71076628
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A10bor8FBAk
>>71059249
All rapefugees are bad for Europe. Remove kebab and sandniggers
>>71061276
Grew up there most of my life. Really boring city
I don't worship money, I am no capitalist.
