Europoors don't really believe that their healthcare is "free", do they?
>>71034018
No, we know how the taxation system works. More questions?
>>71034117
Dumb europoor doesn't even realize that taxes are gradual slavery. The slaves had free education healthcare and security while all they had to pay was 100% of their wages to their master.
This just extends beyond black people in the modern day
>>71034018
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_health_expenditure_per_capita
>>71034339
You dumb shits pay more public money for healthcare than nearly all other countries... and its still terrible.
>inb4 Obamacare. That came into effect in 2014.
>>71034117
>the taxation system works
Oh mate I am laffin
>>71034018
Dude....
You do understand that the average kindergarden child is smarter than most of the people you know in murica, right?
Health care ain't free in europe and i doubt anyone said anything that would imply that
Don't even attempt to point fingers, you have enough problems in your own country little boy
But go ahead and tell me how your day in college was and what you learnt in your social studies curse
>>71035167
How much money does Germany pay to defend its borders? Would you have enough money if america pulled out all of its troops/military spending? What about the other socialist nations of Europe? Genuinely asking...
It's taking 7.3% out of every paycheck.
Fuck no I don't believe it is.
>>71034537
The US is currently an abortion between the two. Any change would be better
>>71035623
>How much money does Germany pay to defend its borders?
Little. Because we're surrounded by allies. Who also all have militaries. And behind us are more allies, also with militaries. The next potential enemy is far away and has an economic strenght we laugh at.
>Would you have enough money if america pulled out all of its troops/military spending?
Yes. Yes, we would. And if you took your troops out, and the wakeup call would lead to a solid EU military, we could probably actually reduce.
>>71034018
I've noticed a trend on REDDIT where people will write ridiculous signs they claim they get from strangers just to get epic upvotes
>>71034018
Our health care is free at the point of use.
If you have no money, it's no problem.
>>71034018
Yep, so do Canadians. This is what happens when you allow socialists to teach economics
>>71034018
Unfortunately you are right, many eurofags think that healthcare is free.
They cannot even grasp the idea of not having a public healthcare system.
>>71035623
Jokes on you faggot
None of us want you here in the first place your military is utterly shit
We would have enough easily but you know how politics work, the money goes a long way from A to B
Specific numbers should be available through google
And i personally would like to see an undefendet germany maybe we can wrap up this shit our selfs
>>71034018
>tfw degeneracy is now considered humanitarian
>>71036649
Ah, yes. As we all know, the EU only consists of three countries, including the UK which is about to leave. Everyone else is the enemy.
Also, doesn't matter if they like us. When Russia comes knocking, they will fight.
>>71034537
The $9,000 isn't what most americans pay though, since insurance companies negotiate discounts off list in and employers often pay part of premiums. Drug prices aren't negotiated on a federal level, americans take more drugs on average (brand name drugs too), get more newer technology procedures (very easy to get an MRI within the US if you're willing to pay and/or have good insurance).
>>71034018
No we don't and only retarded people believe that. The healthcare is payed by taxes. Simple as that. That our system is flawless that bernie supporters claim is also lies.
>>71036878
>very easy to get an MRI within the US if you're willing to pay and/or have good insurance
Is this supposed to be something special?
>>71034018
>Europoors don't really believe that their healthcare is "free", do they?
Mate, you pay more than us for your "health".
You have like 5 systems that are designed to take tax money from everyone, and give it to unemployed niggers or 65 year olds who should've died already according to the average live expectancy when these bills were passed.
>>71034018
We still way overpay, don t defend our stupid as shit system
>>71037008
Well, yeah. In Canada and other single payer systems you could wait several weeks or months to get an MRI after a doctor recommends one. Since their pay is tied to patient outcomes, they may be less willing to give one (i.e. if it's not necessary 99 out of 100 times but there's a slight risk they may skip it)
Whereas with a prescription I could walk in and get one today, and doctors are willing to err on the side of caution if I'm willing to get the procedure.
>>71036575
Health care is free at the point of use.
You fucking numpty.
>>71034018
It is free for me because I don't pay taxes.
>>71036938
>>71037168
free at the point of use != free
>>71037159
>Whereas with a prescription I could walk in and get one today
do you think you live in some dream land where yuropoors have to wait a month to get some antibiotics, while Americans have the best heathcare in the world?
>>71034018
It's much cheaper than what Americans pay. We pay like 10% of what Americans pay because there is no profit motive.
>>71037374
He's read some complaint anecdotes and now assumes that's the normal case everywhere.
>>71037159
Also, you can bet your ass that you're getting a lot of MRI prescriptions that aren't necessary, just to drain some more money.
>>71037374
http://www.theguardian.com/healthcare-network/2015/apr/24/rationing-care-fact-of-life-nhs
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/dec/08/nhs-rationing-denying-patients-care-cash-crisis-survery-doctors
>Patients are being denied mental health care, new hips and knees, and drugs to boost their recovery from illnesses including cancer as the NHS increasingly rations treatments to try to overcome its growing cash crisis.
>A survey of doctors reveals that three-quarters said they had seen care rationed in their area over the last year – including treatments such as speech therapy, operations to remove varicose veins, Botox to help children with cerebral palsy move better and even potentially life-saving stem cell transplant surgery.
>Disabled children were having to use ill-fitting wheelchairs, teenage girls were banned from accessing medication to tackle male-style hair growth and women had been unable to access surgery to have breast enlargements or reductions as a result of growing restrictions across England, the research concluded.
In the US, with good insurance, you get a very high quality of care.
Shit insurance or no insurance? Then you get a much lower quality of care.
The US system favors those who can afford it, and the divide isn't the 1% versus the 99%, but middle class earners and up versus the lower class and unemployed.
Medicare and Medicaid provide moderate benefits for the elderly and impoverished respectively.
As someone who has great insurance in the US, I experience a high quality of care without a high cost.
>>71037326
Er... health care is free at the point of use. If you turn up at hospital with no money you get treatment at no cost. Health care is paid for out of general taxaion.
You silly cunt.
>>71034018
>receive letter from insurance last weekend
>my healthcare is getting more expensive
>because increased costs to cover yadayada ongobongo
>not admitting the fickificki shitskins are the true reason
i see it on my paycheck every month how "free" this healthcare is burger
>>71037550
Not really. My neurologist is part of a practice without an MRI. He doesn't get more money for having prescribed an MRI and my insurer wants preauthorization that the procedure is medically necessary to contain costs (the facility I go to has to give some background). Last time I had an MRI when it was an "on the fence" issue I had an abnormality that required a second MRI (as it turned out, with the second MRI having gadolinium contrast, I had a small benign brain bleed at one point and with the contrast it was clear that it was basically old dried blood in my head rather than anything malignant/bad).
Three months ago I had a lot of pain in my left knee (sudden, young, not normal) and I was told I could get an MRI if I wanted. I took the prescription and waited it out and it got better on its own.
>>71037771
I didn't mean you personally, but the US as a whole. Which probably affects your insurance payments.
That aside, there's also been cases of doctors not having their own MRI, but working with those who do, and then pipelining patients to the MRI, for mutual profit. Especially feeding of insecure/stupid people.
Well, a certain level of corruption is expected anywhere. The point is more that MRIs aren't anything particulary special here either, and if one would help, it's used.
What's mostly baffling me every time is that your insurances usually still expects you to copay for treatment they cover. How the fuck is that acceptable? I mean, that's what insurance is for - when you need it, it covers.
>>71038074
The idea is to create incentive against patients seeking out unnecessary services. I get allergy shots to help build up immunity to seasonal allergens. List price $25, negotiated price $7, I pay $0. In theory I'm liable up to 15% of my healthcare, but sometimes it is less. After $300 out of pocket spend on doctors/procedures coverage goes to 100% the insurer because you don't want a really expensive lifesaving (or altering) procedure to be out of reach for people financially. Also different providers charge different amounts, so then you have the issue of capitalism (some doctors will run more lean operations). Overall with the system and doctors typically being ethical it works pretty well - doctors will tend to prescribe generically rather than brands (unless medically advisable or the patient insists), recommend procedures that are cost conscious (given the medical risk), etc.
>>71038536
>The idea is to create incentive against patients seeking out unnecessary services.
I'm aware, but someone who can afford it won't care, and someone who can't won't take either in that case. I doubt it's actually worth it, with conditions worsening because people delay the visit because the copay may fuck them.
That aside, you seem to have one of the better insurance options in the US. I've seen copays far higher than that.
>>71034018
It's like insurance.
If you get a really bad disease that would bankrupt you, you can get treatment without going bankrupt.
Of course if you are really healthy and rarely need treatment, then it can feel like a waste of your money.
I personally like to know that people born in to poor communities and unhealthy families can get the treatment they need.
It needs adjustment though, too many loop holes have been discovered with people getting trivial and expensive treatment like breast enlargements.
>>71038693
I work for SAP, when they first landed on US shores (before my time) they bought 100% coverage insurance (i.e. the company paid for all premiums and the plans had no copay). Eventually they started hiring Americans in HR and I guess someone broke the news to them that this is essentially unheard of in the US and they could spend a lot less and still offer great insurance.
Since we have a lot of Germans (and Europeans generally) come to work in the US, we have excellent benefits by American standards still. Guess it comes with the European mindset.
>>71035867
None of that is true. Your military and police budget has been cut to pay for your migrant's welfare.
http://www.bild.de/regional/berlin/polizei/waffen-weg-bei-der-berliner-polizei-41993146.bild.html
>>71040030
First, you're citing the worst boulevard press paper we have. Anyone with half a brain knows it's trash.
Second, migrants welfare has been paid by budget surplus. Which was originally supposed to go towards debt repayment.
Third, migrant welfare is a federal problem, police is a state issue, especially when the link already mentions state police.
Fourth, Berlin is a mismanaged hellhole, and has been for a long, long time.
Fifth, the military was underfunded before the migrants ever thought about leaving.
Sixth, we're actually spending quite a bit, it just doesn't look a lot between mismanagement and corruption.
Seventh, your army detachment here is tiny, if the US wanted to defend Europe, it'd have to ship in troops regardless.
