Only about 50% of Trump voters say they will vote for the successful GOP nominee if Trump doesn't win the GOP race.
I.e. the GOP is dead without Trump.
BTFO,
https://today.yougov.com/news/2016/04/13/clinton-loses-ground-sanders/
Because 50% aren't stupid enough to be loyal to an openly corrupted political party. Also, who the fuck even wants to see Rato's ugly mug everywhere.
And they still think they can steal the nomination in an open convention.
>>71032046
If Trump gets the nomination I am going to vote for the first time in decades.
If he does not get the nomination I will not be voting.
>>71032046
It's not that Trump voters aren't loyal to the GOP. It's that Trump voters aren't conservative. They're marginally Republicans. I would bet the 47% who won't vote for the Republican nominee if it's not Trump are people who never voted and will not vote in the near future.
On the other hand, if Trump is the nominee it will turn off conservatives and other traditionally Republican groups to such a point he would receive less total votes than McCain or Romney, two failed moderate candidates.
>>71032046
>the GOP is dead without Trump
This is what I've been saying most of the election.
Republicans hate the Republican party Tbh. The last straw was the "conservative" meme during the Senate and house elections. I still remember all the miracles they promised.
>>71033509
They are; I'm not in burgerland BUT keep an eye on your politics, and the fact that i can barely remember the other GOP candidates names, and honestly know fuck all about them is really bad.
>>71033509
The GOP does not care if they lose they are on the same bird as the demorats and even if she gets into the white house they will keep getting paid.
>>71033333
Many people must think like you, that's good.
Witnessed.
>>71033504
Trump might turn off some dumb cuckservatives, but he'll get most of the Republican vote and he steals from the other side. He's got a much better chance than McCain or Romney.
>>71033683
This. Republicans have been completely useless in the last 8 years. We couldn't even get a supreme court ruling against fucking obamacare even thought there was supposed to be a majority right court.
>>71033826
They don't want the presidency because they already have the house and senate, so they would have to take responsibility for any of their fuck ups. Obama has been one of the best political things to happen to the GOP.
>>71033333
Witnessed.
That is the same case for many Trump supporters. The GOP died far before this election cycle.
Makes sense. Sanders supporters are political by nature.
Trumpkins are just here for the memes. Once the meme dies out then they lose interest.
Quite simple really.
>>71033333
Checked. And I hope he is the nominee so you can exercise your right for the first time in awhile
If you fuckers vote rato in and I have to see that fucking face for 8 years I swear to God
>>71033504
Conservatism vs liberalism isn't relevant anymore. Competing ideologies don't matter in a multicultural society. The future is ethnic voting blocks. Lee Kuan Yew recognized this. The question isn't the size of government or the values we believe in. The question is what ethnic groups you're allying with.
The failure of Romney and Ryan is a great example. Nobody cares about their tax policy wonkery. Nobody cares about their vision for greater economic freedom and a return to traditional family values. They didn't represent the interests of working class white people, so they didn't get their votes.
The demise of Bernie will be another example of this. The people don't care about his vision for a socialist utopia, because half of them are more concerned with black lives or immigration. Communism vs capitalism isn't relevant when the political parties are just vehicles for ethnic groups.
Conservatism is dead, and neocons killed it.
>>71034232
Let me get that for you, jacko
>>71033234
They can though. They can't win the election after that, but if you haven't payed attention, that's exactly what they expect. The Republican establishment would rather have Hillary as president than nominating Trump.
>>71033234
They could even change the rules to disqualify Trump if they wanted.
That's why I'm more or less certain he will get it.
>>71034260
This is exactly the sort of ideology I expect from a Trump supporter. Identity group pandering belongs in the Democratic Party.
>>71035311
There's a reason trucons only live in places with no minorities like Iowa.
>>71035311
It is not an ideology asshole it is the reality we are actually dealing with.
>>71035522
Plenty of minorities where I live and it's still a conservative area.
>>71035606
It's an ideology.
>>71035311
>hurr we are all the same durr
You need to wake up and smell the coffee. Liberals and Conservatives alike have been drinking the cool aid for far too long, and it's high time that you let go of your cherished Universalist beliefs. They are wrong, and they're destroying Western civilization.
>>71035642
>hurr we are all the same durr
I neither said not implied that.
>>71034232
let me get that for you jacko
>>71035722
No, but the point I was making is that our differences are enough to prevent a world without identity politics, especially in diverse societies.
>>71035928
Identity politics will exist, but they shouldn't be encouraged or pandered to. If people are the legal residents of a country, it is the responsibility of that country to integrate them as best as possible. This includes teaching them the principles which made the country a desirable place to live. In determining who can come to a country, the authority (government) is to determine who is most prepared to adopt the principles and culture so as to not threaten the principles themselves or become captured by forces of division.
When you replace principles for identity group pandering, there is no more an effort to integrate people and the culture falls apart. Even if a country were 100% white or 100% black, identity group pandering will find differences to pick at and divide the people. This could still be along ethnic lines for ethnically similar people like the Tutsi and Hutu, along religious lines for religiously similar (relatively speaking) people like Catholics and Protestants or different flavors of Protestant, or any other way you can imagine to divide people.
Capitulating to identity politics is to doom your society to division and destruction. It is began by the Left with the explicit goal of capturing as many people as possibly, including opponents, in identity politics so as to divide and conquer a society.
>>71033333
I admit I'm unfamiliar with the election process in its entirety
If Trump doesn't win the GOP race as a republican, can't he still run for prez?
>>71036907
He can as a 3rd party but that never goes well and he might as well not run at all.
>>71035928
Integration is a myth. The more different races live together, the less they trust each other. The emergence of identity politics is a reaction to too much diversity (as well as from other causes of reduced sense of security), and the correct approach is to not pressure people into more integration. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that a communal sense of identity is a fundamental human need, like air or water.
>>71036907
He can run as an independent, but he will not appear on the ballot in several states if he does. Many states have deadlines well before the Republican National Convention to collect signatures and pay a fee so as to appear on their ballot as an independent candidate. This is to prevent thousands of nobodies from getting their names on ballots in each state. As such, he would be forced to be a "write in" candidate in many states. I could get you a list if you like, but suffice to say it puts him as a huge disadvantage.
>>71036996
How come? Do people simply not vote 3rd party or is there an inherent disadvantage?
>>71037248
what members of either houses will work with a third party candidate?
you would have to work years in advance to create a base of politicians in the house to even make your presidency have any meaning
hence the push for tea party politicians into the houses
>>71037082
People of differing backgrounds have successfully integrated into the same society historically. The best examples of this are Germans, Irish, and Italians in the US. At varying points in US history, each group was considered an "outsider" and "different". Over time, they integrated. There is also some degree of integration in the black community, despite what you see in the news. The problem in the black and Hispanic communities is that identity group pandering has taken hold. Identity group pandering failed to take hold previously because Marxists had no power in the US.
It was when Marxists went into black Northern neighborhoods in the 1920s and 1930s that blacks started voting Democrat, at the same time Democrats in the South were hanging blacks from trees. They succumbed to identity group pandering and whatever integration they had managed was thrown away in the process.
Identity group pandering only succeeds if you and others let it succeed. Ethnic, religious, and other group conflict is not an inevitability.
>>71037082
In the US, the Constitutionally protected right of association used to also be understood to include the right of disassociation. But that's no longer the case. You can't set up a community just people similar to you. You must allow anyone and everyone who wants to associate with you to do so. The founder of Domino's Pizza tried to start a community in Florida that would be just for Catholics. He was allowed to build it, which he did, but wasn't allowed to make it Catholic only. Somehow the Jews however are allowed to have their own exclusive communities in the US but everyone else is told they must mix together under threat of criminal charges if they don't.
>>71037607
If you actually think that Germans, Irish and Italians integrating with Anglo-Saxons is remotely comparable to Africans and South Americans integrating with Europeans, then you sir are a fool. "Some" integration very obviously omits the fact that for the most part, integration there has been a failure.
>>71033504
Only marginally in that they're conservative leaning but think the party needs to change tactics to remain viable.
I'm not going to back a dead horse. I've voted for every president since I turned 18 but I'm not going to let the Republican party pretend that they can put another cuck up for the election and not get major blowback from conservatives who are sick of their bullshit.
>>71037767
Presumably the secret is a mix of connections, shamelessness and sheer tenacity... and a knack for playing on people's sympathy.
>>71037826
Actually spics can integrate fine. It's the illegal ones that are a problem, but the legal ones are good people. But yeah Muslims are a no go. Blacks have obviously failed too.
>>71037607
Yes they were and are all Caucasian m8
>>71033333
You should still vote but pick some third party to vote for. You don't even have to like that party, pick one at random if you want.
Politicians don't give a shit if you don't vote but they're scared of losing power. If you and millions of others vote third party, it is very unlikely that it will change the outcome of the election but it will send a signal that those disgusted with the two dominate parties are no longer going to sit on the couch and let partisans decide the fate of our elections. If support for other parties appear to be on the rise, the major parties are forced to change or risk an actual uprising of a new contender for major party status while one of the existing parties goes the way of the Whigs.
When the Libertarians in Georgia drew enough votes to force a senatorial election the Republicans thought they had in the bag into a runoff, it got the attention of the party and pushed them to recognize that the libertarian wing of the party was ready to bolt and could not be taken for granted. That was with only something like two or three percent of the vote. The Libertarian was never a danger to win but he was a danger to the Republicans winning. If those voters had stayed home and not voted, the Republican would have been over 50% and won without going to a runoff election.
>>71038054
except you and everyone else is under this premise of integration ever being successful when western so cites are literally decaying and standards are lowing across the board.
I swear the liberals and shit skins will still call it a success in the future when it does not exist anymore lol
>>71037607
m8...just...give it a fucking rest.
>>71038054
I'd argue that muslims would be fine in a few generations if it weren't for the left. Religions seem to have a natural pattern when exposed to a functioning first-world society; they learn quick that the rest of the country won't fuck with them as long as they play by the rules, so they tone it down until it's a nice neat way to live without bothering the rest of us. But now we've got a radicalized left who convince them they're not only fine, but the country they moved to actually is fucked and needs a good bombing or 12 to make us more like them.
Blacks are in a similar boat, but we're so used to coddling them they don't even have a stable ideology to lean on other than fuck whitey, so it's going to be even harder for them to integrate. Some of them are learning and I think they'll be fine eventually, but only if we stop letting them pass the bitter slave mentality to their kids.
In short, mommy won't stop spoiling the foster kid so now he's going to fuck up the house if we don't kick him out.
>>71038336
voting for a third party is literally the same as not voting to the two established parties see
>>71037469
there is no third party support anywhere in the government even locally.
>>71037826
Second and third generation Hispanic immigrants have largely integrated successfully in the US. Groups like La Raza and LULAC along with their mouthpieces like Jorge Ramos and Luis Gutierrez are trying to prevent it, but their success is limited. Black integration was coming along slowly, significantly hampered by white labor unions shutting them out in the North and the KKK in the South before Marxists successfully turning their neighborhoods against it. Black integration may have been successful if not for the combination of government-enforced segregation and Marxists.
If you want an obvious example of successful black integration, look at blacks in the UK and France and non-aboriginal blacks in Australia who have families going back generations in those countries. Only black Muslims have failed to integrate in those countries and only because their religion demands they fail to. This is an example of people a government should not let immigrate (those who believe in Sharia) for their inability to integrate.
>>71038286
Being "Caucasian" doesn't make you immune to division based on identity groups. Read any European history book if you don't believe me.
>>71038878
look at the UK and France where blacks are causing disproportionate crime per capita?
>inb4 poverty
the conversation ends if you try this meme.
>>71038786
Check out India and see how well cohabitation with Muslims is going over there over the past several hundred years. Or anywhere else where there are large numbers of Muslims, for that matter.
>>71038878
>If you want an obvious example of successful black integration, look at blacks in the UK and France
As suspected, you are a goddamned fool.
>hurr it's the left's fault
>>71038979
except it means your already integrated more so than a non Caucasian m8 your not making a point again mine here.
>>71033333
nice. vote for lord emperor trump! he will win!
>The best examples of this are Germans, Irish, and Italians in the US.
>Germans
>Irish
>Italians
Once they learned English, they became generic white people. The lighter skinned hispanics might pass for white. Some Indians and Asians might even integrate into greater white society.
Blacks will never integrate, and Muslims will have extreme difficulty. If hispanics aren't governed by whites, they'll create corruption where they live.
>>71038383
It's like you didn't even read what I said. In Texas we have spics that have been here for like 10 generations and are very conservative. And despite what liberals may want you to believe, they are increasingly voting republican here not dem. Latin America has been exposed to western culture for a very long time and most of these people grow up Catholic. It's the uncontrolled influx of poor people and gimedats that are fucking shit up.
>>71038979
except it means your already integrated more so than a non Caucasian m8 your not making a point again mine here.
you cant compare Caucasian integrating with Caucasian to others m8
>>71038979
As the Arabs say it:
"Me against my brothers, my brothers and I against our cousins, my cousins and I against the strangers"
As Terry Pratchett says is:
"White and Black banded together and ganged up on Green"
>>71039060
yet they use welfare and commit crimes disproportionately as a demographic m8
you idea of integration happens to be while the west is decaying as a whole lol
>>71032046
It is better to lose one election and come back and fight again than let the GOP be hijacked by a pseudo-Democrat.
>>71039029
India is not my idea of a functioning first world country. You may call that No True Scotsman, but I don't have any neighbors who are afraid of the toilet witch.
>>71039207
Illegals do that. Legal immigrants have similar crime rates to the native population.
>>71038993
>>71039029
Those are recent black immigrants, overwhelmingly Muslim. I addressed this problem. Before the recent waves of Muslim immigrants (past ~15 years), you'd rarely hear stories of black crime being an issue in the UK or France. Perhaps you should look at information further back than the exact problem I talked about?
>>71038861
>voting for a third party is literally the same as not voting to the two established parties see
You are thinking short term and have absolutely terrible reading comprehension. Please put on your glasses and try to keep up. I said it wouldn't change the outcome of this election (Did you see that part? No? Then go back and fucking read the whole thing before dribbling diarrhea on your keyboard). Since he isn't going to vote for either party, might as well use his vote to boost the efforts of third parties to grow while causing the vote share of the major parties to shrink. It won't change anything in this election (most likely) but starts momentum for the future. Every change starts somewhere. Only establishment tools push the message of "nothing will ever change so don't even start trying".
Trump can't win the presidency... He alienates swing voters, women voters and newer middle-class non-white. Republicans need to make a dent in these demographics to win.
The Republican party has gloriously shit the bed for 2016.
If they can't sort themselves out for 2020 you'll get Hillary for two terms.
You know I'm right
>>71039347
no they don't similar does not negate disproportionate crime rate sorry.
as well as reliance on government assistance
>>71039362
>I addressed this problem
You addressed it poorly: you made baldfaced assertions. Protip: the recent Paris attacks involved grandkids of Muslim immigrants.
>>71039330
See point above.
>>71032046
I think you are misreading this. If you notice more than the either two Trump supporters say they will not vote for the other party's nominee.
Democrats, especially dumb-dumb Sanders supporters, mistakenly think they can pick up disillusioned Trump supporters, but by and large Trump supporters despise lefty nonsense, and want someone who is unabashedly pro-american. Nigel Farage from UKIP looks more pro-american than democrats do.
The large percentage of Trump voters saying they will vote third-party/indepenedent if Trump doesn't get the nomination is because probably nearly all of them think Trump himself might run third party so they keep their option open for that.
Bottom line, Trump people hate democrats and the general lefty nonsense that has permeated America for over a decade now.
That being said, Captain Ted is going to make America Great Again.
the GOP already needs a miracle to win an election regardless of what the trump people do. if the trump supporters also leave the party, the GOP is dead for sure.
>>71039362
sorry he information in no way dates the wave of criminals m8 your now adding your own spin damage control to the direct fact the blacks in France and uk are still not integrated
>>71039416
actually all you need is the white male vote m8
we just need to come out
keep lying to yourself lol
>>71039460
>>71039347
Do either of you have data for that?
>>71039639
FBI.gov crime states m8 its official been posted enough and to ask some else for fucking crime stats on 4chan /po/ means you lose m8
>>71039790
officially been posted* /pol/*
>>71039470
I agree that the current generation is fucked. I believe where we differ is that you think the clash is inevitable and I think the clash is inevitable unless we stop coddling them and treat them like the criminal scum they are until they learn to play nice.
Whoever is in control of both parties wins regardless.
>>71039639
http://www.amren.com/news/2015/07/new-doj-statistics-on-race-and-violent-crime/
ask again and you will be labeled a shill
>>71039514
>I am not delusional guys watch me repeat and force another meme candidate
>>71034260
>working class white people, so they didn't get their votes
But they did, they got more white votes than obama by far. If the election had had the same demographics as any in the past, they would have won.
>>71039790
I mean you could end the back and forth with one link but if you want to keep saying "nuh-uh" to his "uh-huh" I won't stop your fun.
>>71040046
I shouldn't have to prove that Hispanics are causing more crime per capita than whites in 2016 m8
this another example of liberals simply not belonging to reality
>>71037607
They were integrated by force. Prior to the early 1900s, germans were operating their own rural communities completely separate from anglo society until public schools moved in and beat the german out of them. They basically were all doing what the amish do today, which of course doesn't involve integrating with societies. The amish just got exempted from the forced integration due to religious reasons.
The only way to integrate like this is by force, and no one is going to use force on minority ethnic groups today.
>>71034081
>Sanders supporters are political by nature.
>>71039891
I do believe it's inevitable, though not necessarily in a civil war sense, but possibly a continuing slide into dysfunction and lowered quality of life instead. Or maybe civil war, who knows.
In any case, my main point was to point to a general trend, which is: more diversity => more tensions and conflict. Moreover, people tend to cluster together because they crave a sense of belonging, thus if the government tries to force people together, then tensions keep rising. Furthermore, if more newcomers keep coming then no equilibrium can be reached.
>>71040199
as well they are all Caucasians m8 we are talking about how well Caucasians integrate with each other and that's all.
>>71034232
let me get that for you jacko
Asians literally deintegreate in white socirtes and become less like the rest of their fellow Asians and home and the rest of the US
hence they are outliers in so many field be it income or academics and drug use.
>>71039941
That's mostly what I was asking about, though it doesn't account for illegals so I don't know why that's supposed to counter the argument that hispanics can integrate just fine (or at least a hell of a lot better than niggers)
Finally the gop can replaced by the lp
>>71035642
s e m i - r a r e
On point comment, though; as expected from based Iceland.
>>71035311
Nope. The new amerikwa is a cacophony of competing ethnic interests. Conservatives of the past tried in vain to sell a dozen alternate ideologies in an effort to put off the inevitable (proposition nation etc) but nope. We ethnic interests now. Like all other multicultural shutholes. This is the future neoconservatives chose.
>>71035631
>denial
>>71040509
I swear I'm trying to find numbers, but it is extremely difficult because governments don't reliably keep track of immigration status. Is it true that hispanics commit more crime? Absolutely, but my argument is that those hispanics are overwhelmingly illegal or at least they were born here from illegal immigrants. Estimates vary, but I've seen 30% of murders being caused by illegal immigrants.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2015/08/08/illegal-alien-crime-accounts-for-over-30-of-murders-in-some-states/
The GAO numbers show large amounts of illegal immigrants taking up federal prisoners as well.
http://www.gao.gov/assets/320/316959.pdf
>>71040945
I'm happy to hear that we're only semi-rare rather than rare around here. If this is true, then there is a snowball's chance in hell that we might actually be semi-based (right now it really doesn't feel that way over here).
>>71036738
>shouldn't be encouraged or pandered
>shouldnt
Bruh... it's a strong organizing principle. Moreover, tell the demo to quit first (but they won't because it fuck ingredients works).
Game in tho. TI mean for whites to declare war back.
>>71032046
>2/5s of Sanders supporters would give the election to Trump
JUST
>>71041191
Comparing you to your fellow nordics and to other western Europeans, I'd say you're at the head of the pack. The world is going through a rough patch, we just have to stay 元気 and pull through.
The future will be bright eventually.
>>71040509
>>71041108
Both of your arguments mean nothing and are again misleading
the point is the burden of proof on A defining how many illegals are counted in the Hispanic category and B. the difference between them and illegals in their crime make up.
while I could simply add illegal alien confirmed crime to the Hispanic category and muddy the waters even more if I wanted.
in the end you have Zero argument to make besides muddy waters. to play that game we can simply say two things for a fact
HISPANICS cause disproportionate crime and
they have no successfully integrated as demographic
>>71041302
We've got a do-nothing right wing government which is super unpopular right now. The parties who are polling high are left-wing and I shudder to think what they're planning to do. So don't break out the gold medal on our account just yet.
Actually, I'd say that Denmark is probably the most red-pilled of the Nordics just now, though they've had to go through a lot of shit to get there. Too bad we don't seem able to learn from their mistakes.
>>71040509
because your argument does not exist as its like me saying nigger crime is really caused by African immigrants but we don't have those separated as a category
Hispanics use more welfare and assistance and cause more crime per capita than whites and have not integrated successfully on that basis into our society m8
you the one stretching logic here.
>>71041558
or we can say whites crime rates are even less than in comparison and hold my point by muddying the water and saying what about illegal European immigrants?
>>71041512
That's sad to hear. I haven't been keeping up with Iceland outside of the strongman competitions lately. Denmark should hopefully have a positive influence on its neighbors. Sweden, Finland, and Norway are the ones on the edge of the cliff from what I can see from here. They will either push back and take back their lands or fall off the cliff. Either way a new society will rise from their ashes.
>>71041512
>>71041855
Please enlighten me if that's not the case, it would be good to hear it first-hand from a chilly viking mountain man
>>71041923
OK, so we've got these "classic" parties:
Independence Party
Center-right pro-business party, used to be historically the largest party. Is full of ambivalence on globalism and trade, is monotheistic (worships the Almighty God, Money).
Progressive Party
Actually not progressive at all, they are the party of opportunists and generally represent the rural areas (farmers especially).
The Independence Party and Progressive Party have been in government and the leader has been a bumbling fool from the Progressives, alas. He got that by making promises about debt relief just prior to the elections. Right now the party has crashed and burned, mainly due to his terrible handling of revelations from the Panama Papers (he had money abroad lol), though it was more of the straw breaking the camel's back: he had a history of putting his foot in his mouth and then running away from controversy and waiting for the storm to pass. Still, the government has managed to deal with the financial situation.
Socialist Alliance
EU faggot party.
Left-Green
"Former" communists and environmentalists.
These parties are in opposition, the Socialists are crashing and burning, while the Left-Green are surging. Additionally, there are the following:
Pirate Party
Anarchist faggots based on the Swedish model, currently surging. I'm hoping that this is only a protest vote, though some of them seem serious. They're really popular among the youth, sort of a file sharing Sanders mob if you can visualize that.
Bright Future:
Created in the wake of the financial crash. Irrelevant now except to siphon off votes from the Socialists.
PS: there is a movement brewing for a National Front, something we've not really had over here before. But they're embryonic and our right wing voters are notoriously apt to vote the way their gradparents voted rather than wanting change. Which is a good thing, usually. I'm just not seeing the NF becoming more than a footnote in the forseeable future.
>yougov
nobody cares about british pollsters in the US
>>71042976
holy shit the situation is more complicated that I had thought. This is a very informative post, I have a lot to read up on.
Thank you Mr. Frosty Viking 先輩. I hope we see eachother on the other side of this mess
>>71043453
Thank you too, and good luck.
