How long does it take for us to win
>>70998448
You lost against vietnam. So pretty much assured annihilation if NK declares war on the US.
As long as it took for you to write that post
Arrn't we still technically at war with them? The Korean war never officially ended right?
>>70998547
We were there as well you dumb cunt
>>70998448
Depends on if we actually go in to win instead of dicking around like in the middle east.
72 hours, as projected by the kikes at the pentagon
>>70998448
Wrong question OP. The real question is, how do we repair that country after the war?
>>70998448
You do understand we're trying to get him to aim that shit rocket at chicago right?
>>70998448
about tree fiddy
>>70998448
SNIPER! EVERYBODY GET DOW
>>70998448
less than a day
but years to convince the media that you were the good guys
>>70998718
>>70998568
>>70998627
>>70998751
>>70998448
>declaring war
>actually doing something
They pose literally no threat to the US, fuck they pose little threat even to Japan. They don't have the resources to invade anywhere other than South Korea. They barely have enough to feed half of their population to begin with.
And their nuclear missiles are a joke too, can't even into Hawaii
>>70998547
Depends on who wins 2016. US would surrender in less than a day under a Hillary or Sanders administration.
>>70998547
Hurr durr
>>70998547
Yeah but Vietnam had home court advantage.
THE ENTIRE US ARMY
VS
A FEW FARMERS WITH OUTDATED WEAPONS
>>70998547
No one is going to tell us what to do we're not going to take it. we are going to win in every single level. we're going to win so much that you're going to get sick and tired of it. And I'm going to say I DON'T CARE WE'RE GOING TO KEEP WINNING! BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!WE ARE GOING TO MAKE IT GREATER THAN EVER BEFORE!!
>>70998448
a few days
>>70998448
a day, these retards can't even launch a missile.
>>70998448
Within 72 hours US troops would reach the northern border with china, and pyongyang would be a crater and/or scorched ruins. The real question would be "how long until the region is rebuilt". As for that I got no clue. At least this time it wouldn't be just the US rebuilding but rather worst korea integrating the north.
>>70998919
Since when do Norks have any idea how to farm?
>>70998924
>we're not going to take it
>>70998448
The issue isn't winning. It's dealing with the 25 million+ refugees and victims of the regime.
All of them are untrained, mostly illiterate, ignorant, and brainwashed by year after year of communist propaganda
Basically imagine if the college bubble burst tomorrow.
>>70998448
He would be obliterated. Especially under a Trump presidency.
Everything about Trump: "Shock and Awe"
If NK gets taken out, who's going to get the land? China or SK? I think that's how wwlll starts. over a land grab
>>70998873
>You were there too!
>Which means that not only did we lose, but we lost even though we had help.
>Somehow this is rebuttal in a thread about whether the US would beat NK in a war
Why the fuck should we give a fuck about the potential outcome of a fight we don't intend to pick?
Should just go in now and assassinate
>>70999010
they launched a satellite, they can launch missiles.
>>70998448
a ground invasion would probably last quite a while. they'd have more soldiers than america on the ground and they know the terrain better
>>70998745
WHAT?! WHERE? DID YOU SAY SNI
He declares war all the time with us
and we laugh it off like he's the retarded kid on the block
because China would never let it happen
I think it'd be very fast because NK is totally centralized and top-down, and their infrastructure is already on the verge of collapse. Remove the top people and the population quits fighting. It'd be nothing like the wars in the Middle East where the enemy is often composed of totally independent cells.
The reason that the US has been unwilling to do this is that China has been protecting NK, and a war with China can't be won in any meaningful sense.
The people of NK still believe that they are already actively engaged in war with the US, BTW.
>>70998448
>they declare war
>everyone tells them to sit the fuck back down
>China tells them to fuck off
I can't think of anyone that would help them.
>24 hours to kill all high ranking government officials
>50 years of poverty and civil war that follows
>>70998448
South Korea would implode. In cutting off the head of the snake that is North Korea, you would see a refugee crisis never before seen in the world. NK would invade SK, not militarily but as unwashed, unfed, untrained, uneducated masses. Reunification would happen, and SK would become the worlds worst nanny state overnight.
>>70999255
>because China would never let it happen
China wouldn't Ally with NK in a war.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/11267956/China-will-not-go-to-war-for-North-Korea.html
>>70998652
This. Small, prosperous, capitalist south gets overrun by starving brainwashed "refugees"
It would be better to wipe out as much of the population as feasible during actual hostilities to make reunification easier.
>>70999198
generals will take over desu and use as further proof of US belligerence. I am sure they will dig up some relative to replace the dear leader as a figurehead
Does nobody realize that South Korea would also be fighting?
>>70998448
If north Korea attacked us China would destroy them as allies. Before anyone goes "hurr durr murica and chinese aren't allies" We support china's economy, China has nationally hated North korea, China hates us but they hate North Korea more. China wouldn't allow the US to be attacked without resistance
>>70998448
Not long I'd imagine
It really depends on the American goal. If they want to cripple the country and demand a surrender they would just have to cripple their infrastructure without needing boots on the ground
Occupation is a totally different story though.
>>70999359
That's not at all how it would play out. The US, Worst Korea and China are going to do this shit-snack together.
>>70999255
>>70999370
Fuck I read your comment wrong, apologies
>>70999359
SK already has a plan though to integrate the people's of NK to the system. However, I do see small terrorist groups from the North acting up and becoming a social fucked nation. If NK attacks they will lose no matter what, the death of millions of NK gooks will be immense, however the integration to the modern world to NK people's will be interesting, imagine how backwards some people in NK are and seeing K-pop for the first time, they will kill themselves.
>>70998448
we already won
as usual
>>70999417
They wouldn't
>>70999417
no, that's why this thread and all the replies so far are stupid. no one gives a fuck what NK declares or not, it's what they actually do that matters to everyone.
the only reason why 'we' don't do anything about NK or proactively engage in a conflict twith them is because of Seoul. it would get obliterated no matter how fast we were. if SK's economy tanks because of that, everyone around the world will feel it.
>>70999338
draper not once made that face during the show
>>70998547
The vietcong had the jungle to hide in.
North Korean troops would have nowhere to hide.
>>70998448
Depends what you mean by winning.
Like North Korea is a mountainous country with infrastructure that we really have no idea about. If a win is "Capture Un" we could be talking a few years.
If a win is make North Korea unable to wage war as a state, then a week, but in the same way the Iraqi army was defeated easily, but the war didn't end there.
If a win is to bring them to the negotiating table, then probably instantly.
The bigger question is why would you bother?
>>70998448
>Hey China, look you and I both agree we are tired of this idiot and all the stupid shit he does. Let us bomb the shit out of his country and you get 75% of the land
Thats all it will take.
>>70999738
why hide when plastic surgery can turn you into a whole new person
>>70998448
I'd be interested to know how big the tunnel complexes they've probably been building for 50 years are, it's probably a city under a city
>>70998547
Vietnam lost that war militarily. Most battle engagements resulted in slaughter of Vietnamese. Americans lost thousands of soldiers but the Vietcong lost millions. The war only ended because the hippies at home complained too much. America defeated itself basically.
It should take about a day but it would end up being 10 years
i think those gooks would fight quite fiercely since most of them dont know shit about the outside world, nothing to lose so they would defend their leader,god or whatever the fuck no matter what... fighting a whole country is a pain even with the most cutting edge military technology etc..
>>70999417
We realize and that's part of why the prospect makes it laughable. The US marines border bases soak up the initial barrages, combined forces counterbattery wipes NK guns off the map. Then joint air power rips any near-border mustered groups while SK armor and mechanized units secure the border. Ongoing air strikes pound NK into rubble.
From there they either go full HAM if NK actually tried to hit Seoul and shot more than a couple dud rounds before the guns were silenced or they wait for reinforcements from the 7th fleet stationed in Japan and Guam. Then they go for the kill.
China hardens their border and shoots any refugees that try to cross. Signal Seoul and Washington they're going to join in and declare war in support, aka grab a buffer region they can directly control when the dust settles.
sextuples
BTW, the motto of US Army forces in Korea is "Fight Tonight" (as in "we may have to fight tonight"). I'm sure they have the invasion 100% planned out in intricate detail, with every eventuality considered.
>Would we win?
Yes
>will it be a week
Absolutely not, it would take at least, 2 months? You have to understand that the people of North Korea, like the people of Japan in ww2, will defend their homeland to the death. So the United States would deal with a second Iraq war, destroying the military, but having to deal with the insurgency that comes with it. I would say that the North Korea would have no help from either China or Russia, infant I would say russian would possibly work with the United States (if Obama is still in office then no, but if trump, yes). I would say a coalition force of United States, Poland, South Korea, and Great Britain/Canada would help us fight the war. 4 coastal invasions, one at Wonsan and one at kuwolson , one at kilju and the last one at pukchong by the marines (all nations) and ground infantry and special forces from all nation cross the DMZ and fight up to Pyongyang. Once Pyongyang is captured, moral might go down and the norks will surrender. If not, they will try to nuke themselves and continue fighting until the US literally has to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on propaganda just to tell them their government is shit. Plus their would be such a hatred for America that radical groups would definitely form, attacking troops stationed in Pyongyang.
>>70999923
>fighting a whole country is a pain
No it's not. Destroying a country is what America is good at. No one better than Merkel.
We suck rebuilding them.
We would destroy NK within a week.
>>70998547
US never lost a battle in Vietnam. Just like in Iraq or Afghanistan. In all cases the end of war in null resulted from lack of support against the wars from public.
>>70999925
t. Call of Duty clan leader
>>70998448
Till Trump is sworn into office + 3 to 5 days
>>70999776
there's a lot of lanthanides buried underneath best korea, america's gonna want to keep that for themselves (which china won't allow). the situation is a lot more complicated than muh dictatorship -_-
>>71000026
The issue you seem to be missing is that North Korea doesn't have the ability to wage a long term war.
For instance, Japan could reasonably provide for its nationals before the war; North Korea is already feeding its people with the mercy of other countries.
The logistics of actually waging a large scale war are fucking mind boggling, and North Korea has really nothing going for it besides a defensive conflict.
As for the brainwashing, I honestly don't know how deeply rooted it is. For instance, Soviets in 1930 knew what was government propaganda, as did Soviets in the 1970's.
we would lose.
unless trump saves us
>>70998611
Australia is truly the king of bantz
>>70999138
I don't think you qualify as legitimate help.
>>71000140
>US never lost a battle in Vietnam.
You have to be fucking kidding.
http://www.g2mil.com/lost_vietnam.htm
>>71000283
>hey, we'll give you this fish and rice if you bring me your supreme leader and his staff
>>70998611
and Australia actually pioneered fucking up their tunnels and trying to win the war, you dumb fucking abo.
Show a bit of pride in your country, you fucking twat
>>70998547
This dirty Abo raughs but what if Fat Kim gets offended by some Abo banters and decides to raunch a nuke missur at Abostraria?
>>71000449
I'm not convinced starvation is as prevalent as advertised.
>>70998448
Three days, no troops. Just a couple of jets and tactical nukes.
>>71000415
Of course we do. Viet Cong are pissweak compared to emus.
>>70998448
48 hours to win the war. 8 months for the leftist media to convince everyone that we lost and that it's time to go home
>>71000283
You make some good points, but I believe that the USSR was more patriotic than brain washed. I have had the pleasure to actually meet both a citizen from Russia during ww2 and while also lived there till 1980(Did a project in my economics class in college about communism, Marxism, socialism, etc), experiencing the Cold War and a once North Korean citizen(held a talk at my college). The Russian told me that people weren't truly fighting for the government, but for their homes and for their families. It was more about defending the homeland rather than defending government. The nork said that during his days of Kim Jong il, people would literally cry and scream for his blessing and that they made him to be a god. That the government is the best thing ever and that every one should support the government and if you don't you should die (very much like the USSR, but not to that degree)
>>70999595
That is sort of the point, if reunification were to happen we are talking introducing 24M drones (NK) into a population only double that, 48M (SK). The level of support required to just prevent famine would be staggering.
>>70998652
Not necessary. The US and SK sit on their border and it just becomes China's problem.
>>71000832
but in one generation we could have our own set of programmable gooks
>>70999338
If North Korea fell It would go under UN Jurisdiction and then be divvied up to major powers with areas being ceded to South Korea as time went on
But yes It would take generations
>>70998547
Different conditions for victory. In vietnam they took a side in a civil war. Against NK it would just be about destroying their forces.
The people saying we lost the Vietnam War have never read about the Vietnam War.
We had the Viet Cong and other commies pushed all the way to Saigon, but since the war had gone on so long and the media filming the war and broadcasting it to the people every night and seeing the horrors of war, being a new thing, the American public had enough of it.
We had victory in our grasps, but congress pulled us out, it's like our situation in the middle east today.
The true losers of the war were the Vietnam people being subjugated to communism and the American soldier. Who, for the first time, became the enemy in their own country after the people, ignorant to what happens during war, saw first hand when people clash.
The only reason why it took so long, was because fighting in a jungle where the enemy lives and knows, who practices guerilla warfare, has secret tunnels everywhere, trade routes in Laos that Americans were not allowed to destroy (until later), and on the other side of the world is a difficult thing to do.
Quit being ignorant.
>>70999595
This isn't as true as it's made out to be.
NK citizenry regularly wind up watching SK tv
>>70998594
Correct, it was more of a cease fire, we could start back up at literally any second.
Like losing the remote after pausing a show, and finding it later, but with more burning Asians.
>Declared war
The war never stopped ya stupid burger.
>>71000812
>The nork said that during his days of Kim Jong il, people would literally cry and scream for his blessing and that they made him to be a god. That the government is the best thing ever and that every one should support the government and if you don't you should die
this might have been somewhat rue before the 90's and the famine. even then i think everyone overstates the brainwashing and mistakes fear for reverence. post Kim Jong Il, the famine and decades of smuggled in Chinese and SK media, no one really gives a fuck and toe the line out of fear more than anything. there won't be Juche partisans waging glorious guerilla war if and when NK collapses
>>70998448
The west has already won. NK won't actively attack until it's about to fall apart entirely and has nothing left to lose. It's pretty damn close to that now. For them to break the ceasefire means they're basically accepting defeat.
Assuming someone doesn't try to save themselves and their countrymen by putting a bullet between Un's eyes at the last minute and welcoming the yanks with open arms.
Whatever we do, we better not train insurgents to destabilize the region.
Of all possible strategies, that strategy is worse than nuclear drone strikes.
As far as I know, we didn't try to create rebels in Japan or Germany. We just overtook the combatants.
The insurgency shit was was what did in latin america and the middle east.
>>70998745
SHIT, WHERES THE REST OF MY SQUA
>>70998448
With our new PAC-3 Patriot Anti-Missile systems, they would need a shitload of nukes to breach the south korean and US defenses.
>>70999370
China would probably annex NK
>>71001501
can it shoot down artillery?
>>70998547
American troops killed north vietnamese over 10 to 1
America won every major military confrontation, overwhelmingly, even the tet offensive.
America lost the vietnam war because stupid fucking hippies through a bitch fit until the government gave up and went home
And then the communists killed like a million people in "reeducation camps" and shit
>>71001571
nope, but aircraft can destroy artillery. Modern AA can peirce stealth jet technology, but NK ain't got nothin' modern
>>71000645
I fucking love you, Australlia
>>71001699
When it came to conventional battles the yanks won because technology and training.
The unconventional fighting was what took the toll.
And you guys had way way more casualties as a proportion of deployment than the Aussies btw :) Most Aussie troops over there considered the US Army guys to be imbeciles running around the countryside asking for a bullet.
>>71001571
Can artillery destroy submarine's firing ballistic missiles 50 miles of the coast?
There's a thousand different ways to undermine and eradicate a nation. The only difference between them is how easily we can clean them up afterward.
And in my opinion, overwhelming force is easier to clean up than guerrilla ground wars and insurgents.
Leave a smoking crater or take it one area at a time with superior offshore and air support pre-empting a ground rush.
>>71001954
Emus
>>70998547
You lost with us.
>>71002002
I'll face down a US marine any day instead of a fucking emu. Have you seen one of those bastard birds?
>>70998448
Well now, US soldiers are playing call of duty, they have freedom of speech and they are careful not to offend their female co-soldiers.
On the other hand, North Koreans train all the time and will die in honor of their leader.
It'll take a long time for the Americunts to win, if ever
>>70999091
Perfect. You found a place to send Berniefags
>>70998547
Best post. Americans would lose.
>>71001729
>but aircraft can destroy artillery
true, but not quickly enough before Seoul eats enough it.
>>71001976
>There's a thousand different ways to undermine and eradicate a nation. The only difference between them is how easily we can clean them up afterward.
that's not really the point. there's no doubt of American military superiority over NK's. it has everything to do with keeping Seoul in one piece should open conflict occur. the US still can't do that and it's the only reason why we stay stalemated with NK
>>71000992
It would be administered by the UN Trusteeship Council until it was stable enough to act autonomously and self-govern.
-OR-
Unify with SK into a single Korean nation (with massive resource support from the international community).
In both cases, foreign investment would come pouring in, and there would be a lot of mineral concessions granted to the superpowers.
It would not get busted up into small separately-governed territories, though, like some sort of post-WW2 Deutschland... It's cheaper to just send a company in to exploit an oilfield, than it is to absorb an entire nation-state into your empire.
>>71002144
>it's the grunts that do the most damage
It's not WW2 anymore. grunts are used to hold objectives and cover operators. They do none of the forward work anymore.
Most of the damage will come from small contingents of highly trained adrenaline junkies and college kids sitting in submarines and arizona air force bases.
>>71001954
The toll was the fact that there was a war. You can't invade a jungle without casualties
Though it could have gone smoother if the air force pulled their heads out of their asses and actually dropped some god damned bombs
>>71002214
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>>71002225
how much arty does NK have?
>>70998448
I genuinely imagine it being the longest seven days in recent history.
I see NK just drawing the battle out until the very end. Just hiding and retreating, while the US slowly diminishes NK troop numbers.
Then on day 7 NK would attempt nuclear assault on the US mainland, but fail in classic Nork fashion; devestation would sweep across the northern peninsula as radiation taints the ground and heat fills the air.
US forces in immediate blast zones and fallout areas would be lost - but such is the cost of war.
America and SK rejoice, China is butthurt but eventually sees that it was for the best and apologizes for not helping us, Russia really couldn't give a shit and Putin keeps on Putin.
>>71002214
Lol Mexitard
Americans killed 20 viet cong for every 1 american that died. Tell me more about this annihilation?
>>71002144
We should drop some drone strikes on your shitty country just for piping up
>>70998448
The real question is: Why would we even care?
>>70999878
>Vietcong
American education
>>71002489
It'd be big news friday afternoon, and a non-issue monday morning. The latest kim+kanye said stupid shit headline would be more pressing.
>>70998448
North Korea is so heavily entrenched and militarized you'd be hard pressed without total global support regardless if it's America and Friends or the Soviets or the Chinese.
Their equipment is cold war but that shit still works like clockwork. Reliable and effective.
And if they manage to actually create an effective batch of nukes that could reach the US then it all either ends in the the foreign countries backing off in the end or parts of the invading country getting nuked (AKA not NK since they can't invade shit except South Korea) and NK getting completely fucking glassed by everyone.
>>70999068
How do you integrate a whole, multi-generational-cult populace when it's the only way of life they've ever known? Seems like it would introduce serious instability.
>>70998448
>if you kill your enemies they win
>>71002214
10ft taller, Jose.
>>71002365
i don't know how deep, but it is lined up all along the DMZ. it doesn't necessarily have to flatten Seoul either, just enough to cripple SK's economy which would probably affect all of SEA and beyond
>>71002582
If they actually have any ammo that is
Also, they don't fucking have nukes. The yield from their "thermonuclear" test was literally impossibly low. They're just detonating a bunch of conventional explosives underground.
>>71002582
>nuke touches down on continental US soil
People don't want to know what kind of world we'd enter into if that literally every happened. Whatever country launched the nuke wouldn't have a population by the end of the year.
post 9/11 support wouldn't be shit in comparison. Accounts of that nation's history would have to be retold by russians and any denial of the official story would be met with execution.
realistically, how long do you think before something big happens with NK? Obviously, they have been able to continue on in this demented fashion for 60 years or so, but is it sustainable?
>>71002719
the most recent test, the one that registered the earthquake during the 16th happening of 2015, was 5 kilotons or so.
hydrogen bombs work by detonating a fission device to set hydrogen fuel into conditions where it would begin fusion. so they have at least TRIED a hydrogen bomb and likely have some shitty double digit kiloton bombs
>>71002853
In fact, only russia could launch a nuke and still have a national identity after the nuclear winter.
Do you guys think it would be better to wipe out the entire North Korean population or have them be taken care of by another country?
North koreas eat american soldiers in war days if necessary, they say americans taste like pig.
>China 1949
>Korea 1952
>Vietnam 1975
>Afghanistan 2001
>Iraq 2003
>Libya 2011
>Syria 2015
These are all clusterfucks where Americans took a clear side and provided substantial amounts of men or materiel (or both) with unfavorable outcomes at best. I'm missing the minor conflicts because there are too many to count. Actual Americans, people I could have been bros with over the internet maybe, guys in their 20s who might have even posted here, died in most of these countries.
If you think America is invincible, you have been brainwashed. Plain and simple. The best propaganda is where you're not even aware it's propaganda. What's the domestic situation in America like with the niggers, Mexicans, and obese white boomers? What about the allied countries in Europe? Are you sure?
Asides from Latin America, Serbia, and some other minor conflicts, only the 1991 Gulf War can be claimed as a major conflict that was an outright, indisputable victory on all grounds (militarily, politically).
North Korea would be a gigantic clusterfuck because of their large arsenal of artillery, their fanatic population (trained in civil defense and probably better equipped and organized than the goat fuckers in the Middle East), the percentage of their population that is military to begin with, and their proximity to China and Russia. NK actually literally has borders with Russia and China.
They also have long range missiles and nuclear bombs, something none of the countries in my meme text had at the time of their conflicts.
Without a massive surprise nuclear first strike by the West (destroying Pyongyang and all military installations within 50KM of the DMZ), North Korea would simply turn into another clusterfuck.
>>70998448
Less than a week.
They may have nukes but their infrastructure is shit. They can't feed themselves during peacetime and their weapons are decades-old Soviet scraps.
>>71002939
Depends on just how much China values our trade deals following Trump's election.
He's said outright that NK is China's problem and if china wants to continue trading they will need to deal with NK on our behalf.
NK is being kept a float by China, and even china is growing tired of their constant agitation of the global community.
>>71002214
REMEMBER THE ALAMO! NEVER FORGET!
course the real answer is, 1 week. once Pyongyang was threatened they'd nuke themselves
Question
Why the fuck does China protect NK? What do they gain by doing so? Seems like a big brother who has to take his little annoying brother everywhere
>>70998448
we wont need to lift a finger
their nukes will just fall apart
>>71002962
In all situations complete elimination of the enemy is the most desirable outcome. You can always send your own people to repopulate and control the region during clean up.
>>71002615
>multi-generational-cult populace
this is probably the most blown out of proportion misconception of NK. i know the media loves to play up the hermit kingdom angle but the truth is the reverence for great leader 20 years ago isn't the same as today, if ever. especially so after the famine and 2 decades of smuggled in black market chinese and sk media.
Korean War 2 Electric Boogaloo wouldn't be a proxy war like the first one and Vietnam were. The entire country would be obliterated in the time it took us to mobilize our weaponry and China would murder anyone left alive to avoid having to take in refugees.
>>71003186
What are the accounts of famine not sourced by western media outlets?
>>71002949
That's what I'm saying though. 5 kilos is smaller than even the US and russia can make hydrogen bombs.
>>71002962
Well they'd mostly flee to china, and then china would have to deal with them, so if you wanted to fuck china over (or bait them into gunning down refugees), then that would be the better option
>>71003155
its their pit-bull on a leash. The US gives them pressure in the South China Sea, they tell NK to go ahead and do that missile test they have been wanting to do. The US plays nice with China, NK goes back to not being news until they are needed.
>>71001217
>but with more burning Asians
lost my shit
>>71003155
>Why the fuck does China protect NK? What do they gain by doing so?
not having to share a border with a US friendly/potentially hostile country is enough
>>71003075
>Less than a week.
Because that's what happened in Afghanistan with literally zero infrastructure, right?
its impressive how someone can be so narcissistic.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/nov/27/china-kim-jong-un
>>71003155
I've heard it's either that they don't want to take in a bunch of refugees if NK turns into a Syria situation where countries invade but the regime tries to stand its' ground.
>>71003155
If I had to guess, its a buffer between them and South Korea & Japan. China already has a population problem, I doubt they'd want to take care of North Korean refugees. If someone agreed to take care of them and help lower tension in the South China Sea they probably wouldn't give a fuck.
>>71003045
In all of those events, US military forces dominated all of the actual combat. The cluster fucks came from wild variation in domestic support, lack of clear goals, and attempting to completely eliminate organizations that were already good at hiding. Except korea, which was a legit stalemate
>>71003155
Sleight of hand. Everyone shivers while the autistic kid plays with nukes - China destabilizes the region while building new islands and stealing territory in the South China Sea.
Probably no other reason than just that.
>>71003253
well, the materials needed even for a crappy low yield bomb can still be used to make land unusable for decades. as i said before, the only target getting nuked in an invasion of NK is Pyongyang by themselves
>>71003246
every defector ever since the 90's? that the United Nations World Food Programme had to intervene? are you denying there was a famine? if not a western source, are you looking for an NK one?
>>71002214
T E N
>>71003611
F E E T
>>70999126
Oh shit
>US invades, wipes out NK
>military leaves, leaves behind skeleton crew
>China decides they want the land, take out US troops with overwhelming numbers and take over
>US isn't having any of that shit, declares war after weeks of threats and deliberation
>ends up being China + Russia vs. US + Europe
Well Korea would probably have a hard time invading the US, but if we had to invade it wouldn't be an easy fight.
>>70998448
>>71003584
>every defector
I'm saying I'm not taking their word at face value because of the jewish population explosion following the holocaust despite all those first hand accounts of genocide.
I'm not saying there isn't a famine. I'm wondering how many people are actually just echo'ing eachother about topics they're not personally familiar with or have a personal stake in. Thus creating this unchallenged sentiment that we'll be questioning after everything is said and done and a couple people are caught in lies creating doubt about everything. I just don't like loose ends.
I'd probably be interested in seeing what China has to say on the topic of NK famine. I'd imagine they say everything is peachy while we would say everyone is eating eachother. I'm not entirely sure what I'd find irrefutable but that's not to say I'm actively trying to debunk it. I have no issue accepting they can't feed their population, but rumors of cannibalism require a little bit more evidence for me.
>>70999370
that's not the point
1. China doesn't want to deal with the fallout at its border with refugees invading the country and destroying the economy
2. China doesn't want American troops that close to its borders after the war
China will either maintain peace, or when it really comes down to it annex NK themselves and set up a puppet government.
>>71000832
Alpha Centauri is the best game ever made. No game before or after has handled nukes as well.
>>70998448
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K46Ez-Igc9E
>>71003783
Why would russia help china
>>70998782
Pumpkinhead was a good movie
>>71003783
>us+europe
As if. It'll be US+Japan+SK. Japan would love to get a piece of mainland china. SK has a stake in existing. Europe will be too busy trying to relocate 20million radical wahabi muslims and 50million muslim toddlers with facial hair.
>>70998448
u will lose
>>71003867
holy fucking rofl
>>70998448
Under current administration in the US it would take as long as it took for new establishment set up shop. If it's happening now; then January 2017.
>>71004013
Russia is the only reason China has a navy. They benefit each other economically, Russia gets a market for their oil and China can become less dependent on exports to the US. Don't forget that they both hate us, even if China depends on our economy.
>>71003887
>I'd probably be interested in seeing what China has to say on the topic of NK famine.
since the mid 90's China is second only to SK in providing food aid. they're well aware of NKs situation and have never tried to hide it. i agree that yes, the famine was probably overstated in a lot of the anti-NK news outlets and that things like wide spread cannibalism is more propaganda than truth but a famine did occur.
the reason why i mentioned it to begin with was not to paint NK in a negative light. i'm just saying it was an widespread event, whatever degree of severity, that hurt the image of the Kims and more importantly contributed to private entrepreneurship for the first time in NK during the 90's where a black market flouished and still flourishes. many NK's have been exposed to Chinese, SK and western media as a result, crackdowns on the markets themselves have also been causes for dissent lately in NK. theses people aren't as brainwashed as many posters in the thread think
>>71003693
H I G H E R
>>70998448
Dozens years just because nobody cares. It's same as cuckraine says that they at war with Russia.
>>70999126
I have quality idea. Kill Best Korea, take land for America.
>>71004527
Also Russia is the only reason China has Air Forces and nuclear weapon. We don't hate you, just GTFO of Eastern Europe and Middle East and we can be friends.
>>70998448
Give it a week or two.
>>70998547
/thread
Not really clear on this. NK is facist?
>in b4 newfag
>>70998611
>We
What unit were you in, pham?
>>70998547
You also most vietnam you know
>>71004965
>>71004965
Lost*
>>71004849
Talk to the Head Nigger in Charge and all his lackeys. Ask them to explain why they were there in the first place, I'd like to hear them explain it as well.
>>71004849
But Ivanon, we just want you to let gays suck eachother off in front of your elementary schools on federal television.
>the war will be over by christmas!
>>71004992
We're there as a hold over from anti-soviet geopolitics.
For whatever reason, people seem to think if the middle east isn't openly in our support, they'll buddy up to the russians and we'll lose access to flight routes and shit.
In reality, all the middle easterners give a shit about is the middle east and destroying Israel. Ideally, the rulers want one ruler over the whole thing and they fund all sorts of above board and covert and cultural things to jockey for clout in the region.
They use everyone involved in their area but will never genuinely support anyone outside their inner circle.
Look at OPEC members that aren't in the region. They may as well not exist for how little say they have in the organization.
>>70998448
The US has about 7,000 nuclear weapons, so technically speaking you could end it in an hour.
>>71004901
They have their own state ideology known as 'Juche'. As far as I know, all references to Communism and Marxism-Leninism has been removed from their constitution.
>>71003830
they could only fight a conventional war. I don't remember exactly, but in the gulf war hussein's army was the same way, and the u.s. beat them to fuck in like 48 hrs.
JUST
>>70998448
6 weeks
8 years of occupation and then democrats convince the public to give up hope as a radical group of zealous commies begin to terrorize grow and steel former US Equipment to destroy South Korea.
>>71006654
*steal*
>>71003783
Maybe Russia invades China while they're busy with the US, Europe and most of Asia. While China and Russia both played around with Communism they've fought eachother over borders before.
>>71003867
Gave me a giggle.
>>70998448
Well, let's consider the facts.
A: North Korea landed a man on the fucking sun
2: Kim Jong Korea is quite literally a descendant of god
D: North Korea does not allow foreigners to enter their lands without permission, rendering even the largest fleet useless.
Basically no chance tbqh
20 minutes. Just nuke those fuckers and turn Korea into an island.
Besides the USA is still technically at war with Best Korea, it's just the longest ceasefire in history.
>>70999126
South Korea, if they were to re-unite it would probably be something like the East-West German re-unification. Except even worse for the South Korean economy.
>>70998919
One ugly and unarmed SU-24 vs 27 Sailors from the USS Donald Cook
>>70998448
The US? 20 years and a North Korean victory.
>>71007630
>Kim Jong Korea
My guess would be that China would probably invade NK before America gets a chance to put boots on the ground. And then a new "democratic" puppet state would be born.
or he could just celebrate his Grandpa's birthday with the greatest firework of our time -- by finally triggering that mega-EMP disguised as a satellite, that's been making passes over the North America for a while now
>remember, one or two nukes will only take out a small city or two, but a horizon-detonated calibrated for maximum field EMP, will send the entire continent back to the 1700s
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>>71004016
yes it was
Smashing their conventional army will take a few weeks tops. The aftermath is a lot less clear cut but that's SK and China's problem.
>>71009111
>You'll never know how it feels to bomb gooks all day.
>>71000424
> lists minor raids that mostyl resulted vietnamese losing more men than US
>>71009603
>Death toll.
>Valid victory parameter.
Next you're going to tell me the Soviets lost to Germany.
Demand reforms for his citizens. If he doesn't do it, we take the fat little fucker out.
Until a viable successor gang to the Kim dynasty appears that can be a satellite of Bejing and controlled by Bejing...nothing will happen.
There are 2 scenarios -both with the same outcome.
1) NK collapses under the guidance of China and the government is replaced by a Bejing-friendly puppet.
2) War ...the sides take their losses and China muscles in their new Bejing approved regime.
China under no circumstances will allow a SK/US friendly/aligned regime on their border where NK used to act as their crazy Dog, barking at everyone and keeping the region on edge and paralysed
Without the media and geneva convention we win in under 10 days. With the media and geneva convention it will take 5 years. We don't win if SJWs and MSM get their way.
>>71009945
China is basically tied to US at this point due to trade. They won't risk war with us over fucking NK.
>>70999595
>imagine how backwards some people in NK are and seeing K-pop for the first time, they will kill themselves.
KEK
>>71005394
Comparing NK to the Soviet Union? Really? Kill yourself.
>>71010083
And the US won't risk a war with China over NK.
It works both ways.
>>71009722
Because % is not a thing.
And yes the soviets DID lose, just not to Germany.
> Is Vietnam still a communist regime btw?
>>71010530
>Is Vietnam still a communist regime btw?
Technically, yes.
Its funny how the attention, kim did have, shifted from him to Isis, and now because of it he has gotten fatter than before when everybody stopped paying much attention to him.
Define winning.
Unlike your vidya, real wars generally have complex objectives to be attained. Almost never in recent history was the objective of a war the complete annihilation of the other.
So what to you want to do?
> Nuke em, wipe em out
No. We didn't use nukes when our finger was on the button 24/7, so it is very unlikely we will use them now that we are relatively much more relaxed about it.
> Pacify them, liberate them!
Say you go in, either guns blazing or all sneaky deaky like and assassinate the leadership or even create a coup. Now you are stuck with 25M-ish malnourished brainwashed unschooled peasants that hate your guts sitting on a country full of precious metals but with 0 infrastructure and a populace actively working against your foreign invading ass.
What do we, as the west, have to gain either by annexation or annihilation of the Norks? Kimmy tries anything and we will play the defensive game. Anything else is too expensive either in capital or politically.
If you really want to see the Norks disappear, your best bet is to look the other way when SK, China and Japan, who DO have a much larger interest in the situation, decide to deal with it.
>>70998448
With Trump as president: 1 week
With Sanders or Hillary: Never
>>70999091
Is there even any evidence to suggest NK even has a significant population anymore? I would think they'd all died by now if the stories are true.
They already btfo out of us, britfags, and the south koreans.
>>71012101
>Is there even any evidence to suggest NK even has a significant population anymore?
Yes. We call it modern technology. One expression of which is satellite imagery.
That's in addition to various other methods, such as infiltration and direct observations.
You must live in a very special little world of Dumbfuckingstan. Have you left your basement at all in the past ten years?
Americans you need to stop your patriotism and hope for a real death of your country, nuked
It's the best thing who could happen to white people and all world is your country lose and become nuked with all garbage within of your country
Make this
sacrifice
>>70998448
Since you seem to be completely fucking retarded, I'll take a moment to remind you that we are currently in a state of war with North Korea. There just happens to be a cease fire in place at the moment.
Where the blithering fuck to monumental mongoloid morons such as yourself go to school? Jesus God damned Christ on a popsicle stick. I can't even figure out how you (and people like you) have enough knowledge of the real world to function for more than a couple of hours at a time.
And, to answer your imbecilic question: have you ever heard of Afghanistan? Iraq? Syria? Libya? Yemen?
You should spend 30 minutes of your life looking those places up and read up a little bit on just how "easy" major conflicts are to conduct in the current year.
If you can't figure it out by looking that shit up, then you seriously need to fucking kill yourself right now, because you are one fucking hideous burden upon humanity and nobody deserves to be saddled changing the diapers and wiping the ass of someone as completely fucking disabled and mentally retarded as you are.
>>71013387
Feel pretty bad for this guy, but that's what happens when you try trolling one of the worlds most brainwashed nations.
>>71013522
They had a lot of help from the Chinese and Russians though
