>free healthcare for everyone
>free college for everyone
>to pay for this, tax the wealthy
People work hard to become wealthy...
Tax the shit out of the wealthy, there is no incentive to become wealthy again.
Then what /pol/ ?
Bump
Bump
Bump
DUDE FREE SHIT LMAO
>>70993556
Free shit.
>>70993556
Pretty much, why work hard when what you work for gets taken. Story of every socialist country in the history of Marx.
I don't care I am poor and always will be if t crashes the nation I will be no worse off and a bunch of rich pricks will be just as broke as me.
>>70993556
>People work hard to become wealthy...
AHAHAHAHAHAHA
You're serious?
Take a freakin look around you, how many hard working people do you see? Why aren't they rich yet? Not working hard enough?
You stupid Americans, y'all are a bunch of temporarily embarrassed millionaires.
It's good that your thinking for yourself. But there's a lot more to it. Watch Milton Friedman videos and read mises.org articles.
No incentive to being wealthy? lol
What the fuck am I reading??
>>70994253
Most millionaires are first-generation wealthy.
Read a book senpai
>>70994389
If the government takes a large portion of your income, what incentive is there to become wealthy?
>>70994253
Yeah guys, you need to remember that hard work /= money in the third world
>people work hard to become wealthy
You think they do but they don't. Not anyone can become wealthy. Wealth is not gained - wealth is inherited. Anyone can become rich.. fuck, millionaires are still nobodies compared to the billionaires. The true wealth as long as faggots like you defend it will never be broken off like chunks of ice and thrown back to burn in the sink of bottomless debt. The only way to fuck the system is to cut its head off - not keep digging into the mangled corpses pockets.
>>70994035
>I'm retarded and poor so everyone else should be too.
>>70994545
How about being rich.
>>70994449
That does in no way have anything to do with what I said.
How many hard working people do you see around you? And are they millionaires yet? The truth is, becoming a wealthy millionaire means having a stroke of luck which many people lack.
Bill Gates wasn't the smartest guy around, he did well with his company, but it was just like any other software company. Only when he landed a deal with IBM by pure luck did he become rich as fuck. Of course he had brains, and that helped, but he wouldn't have become a billionaire just by that alone. Many more operating systems existed at that time and they were much better than PC DOS.
And people will always strive to become wealthy. Having more money than others is always an incentive. "Oh no, I'll manage to buy only 14 luxury cars if I get rich instead of 15 because of taxes! Better NOT want to become rich!" - this is how your dumb face sounds like.
Supporting a socialist system is literally advocating putting power in the hands of the least capable people in society.
>>70994911
What do you think a democracy is, you dumb fuck? Any retarded shmuck on the street has the same vote validity as you. What you're advocating for is a dictatorship, plutocracy or some weird authoritarian technocracy.
>>70993556
Free doesn't mean everyone qualifies for college
Free college sound like a great fucking idea, free health care not as goog an idea, except if not were going to have tons of old people old as hell dying on the streets without some kind of system.
>>70994898
>>70994986
Bill Gates is an obvious outlier.
The average millionaire, despite their portrayal by the media/academia, are just hardworking people who live below their means and use their income as a tool to build a passive income.
>>70994986
Don't be so angry.
>>70995275
>The average millionaire, despite their portrayal by the media/academia, are just hardworking people who live below their means and use their income as a tool to build a passive income.
>I'm going to ignore facts and insert in my personal opinion
>>70995275
Protecting the millionaires who keep you poor, it's like you're protecting the jews
You just don't listen. Two or three crashes. Paying out the nose more than anybody to die sooner. Kids will live poorer shorter lives than you. Nah. Fuck that. Take the Jewish debt instead
>>70994253
>Take a freakin look around you, how many hard working people do you see?
>>70994898
>How many hard working people do you see around you?
>>70995459
>problems with my personal opinion
If you're going to argue that I'm using my point of view, please remove yours.
>>70993556
Exactly. People don't understand this. College fucks think wealthy people were born that way and live lives of leisure. Some were and do, sure. But it's a tiny percentage.
>>70995628
Muh jews
Ready? Two-step plan to be wealthy:
>Study something useful to society
>Be involved in your field
>>70994986
Good thing we aren't a democracy
![If-us-land-mass-were-distributed-like-us-wealth[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/mUuAABf.png "If-us-land-mass-were-distributed-like-us-wealth[1].png")
>>70995653
Okay, let's throw some statistics into the mix. Pic related. Is the rest of the US just simply lazy?
>>70995794
>Two-step plan to be wealthy
That's a good plan to be wealthier, but does 100k - 200k and even 300k$ annually count as wealthy?
>>70995812
Oh, ok. You're a constitutional republic. Great. Guess you don't need to vote then, right?
>>70995794
And be the worker for someone who was born a millionaire. Have fun being a bitch all your life
>>70993556
>People work hard to become wealthy...
good one
>>70996013
Enjoy your useless life, NEET
>>70996024
Why aren't you wealthy if it's so easy?
Wanna become rich you bunch of losers? Invent something that's worthwhile like Google or Apple
>>70995986
1) Not lazy, just not intellectually curious. The fact that you're even here, debating with me, shows that you're intellectually curious. Why are you here, rather than studying something in STEM or business?
From a utilitarian standpoint, the people who just "study what they love" in their 20's will not be useful (as a whole, there will always be outliers) and therefore not wealthy.
2) A six figure salary can LEAD TO becoming wealthy if invested correctly, so yes.
>I really wanna be rich one day and when i am i want to pay close to no tax but for now i am perfectly happy with crumbling infrastructure, inefficient healthcare and poor education because fuck socialism right?
>>70996445
FUNCTIONALIST** not utilitarian
>>70996485
lel, fuckin destroyed
>>70996485
Privatize it. The second profits are involved, it will become the cleanest, most efficient system you've ever seen.
>>70995275
>The average millionaire, despite their portrayal by the media/academia, are just hardworking people who live below their means and use their income as a tool to build a passive income.
You sound like one of those "I'll teach you the secrets to wealth" assholes who trick people into attending a $1500 seminar.
>>70993556
Bernie wants to destroy not only the incentive, but also lower revenue. He's an idiot that doesn't understand the consequences of his policies. The rich and business owners will just hide their money, reduce their profit or move.
>>70996445
>Why are you here, rather than studying something in STEM or business?
I am already in STEM. I'm here because I'm on break and have some time to burn on this wonderful mongolian fingerpuppet forum.
>A six figure salary can LEAD TO becoming wealthy if invested correctly, so yes.
Sure, but how much wealth are we talking here? TOP 1%, TOP 9%? See my map above. Will you be able to buy luxury cars, or influence politicians?
>>70996485
www.temporarilyembarrassedmillionaires.org
>>70996659
Enjoi being poor boi
>>70996711
The US is nowhere near the top of the Laffer curve.
Click here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZsGDIfeqUM&t=1h5m53s
>>70996715
A six figure salary, when invested correctly, can certainly lead to being in the top 1%. The ability to influence politicians involves world-economy-influencing contributions to humanity (see Rockefellers, Vanderbilts, etc)
>>70996654
Privatizing does indeed incentivize production efficiency but if you have a monopoly they have the power to maximize profits (by limiting supply) this leads to a higher net price for the consumer, lower availability and the private company pockets the gross profit margins.
>>70997027
>>greek
>>knowing anything about economics
>>70997232
Lol
>>70997098
And thus influencing the consumer to work hard to escape the marginalized position they may be placed in
>>70994898
How many hard working people do you see around you who are actively trying to better their lives every day?
Most are pretty content working as a wagefag and being hard working there and then using the rest of their time relaxing. A true self made millionaire spends his waking moments on productive efforts to better his life. Gates spent years working on DOS on his own time and then profited from it as well as his support.
Working hard ONLY matters when it's for yourself. How many 'hard workers' do you know have start ups going? Or how many are just "idea guys" or those waiting to come up with that "million dollar idea"
>"i'll create a soda that gives you 100% of your daily vitamins in a single can"
>how are you going to do it?
>"dunno maybe ill send coke the idea"
>>70997070
>A six figure salary, when invested correctly
Sure, I could have bought Microsoft stock in the early 90s... I mean, I could have also gone to Vegas with that money. Is there a "correct" way to invest money? What could I do with 100k which I've accumulated over e.g. 5 years?
>>70997232
>>70997267
It's just greek subtitles, but I'm sure you already know that. This little dude has been the 22nd United States Secretary of Labor, and his name is Robert Reich. He knows shit.
>>70997027
We are talking about Bernie's policies and what he wants to do, not what is done. Keep up Serbia. Bernie has said he wants to drastically increase taxes on the wealthy and business owners and has even said that 90% isn't out of the question, just like the FDR days where it was above 90%.
>>70997386
>working hard for essential goods/sevices to make sure the capital owners get their money
Literal jew tactics
>>70997396
>arguing over semantics
"Invested Correctly"
Literally read one single book on investing. Here, I'll recommend one to you: "The Intelligent Investor" by Benjamin Graham.
Obviously when I say invested correctly I mean invested into ventures that will net you stable, consistent returns.
>>70997390
>How many hard working people do you see around you who are actively trying to better their lives every day?
Plenty. If they weren't, there wouldn't be any "get rich" books out there. Hell, even Trump writes them.
>Gates spent years working on DOS on his own time and then profited from it as well as his support.
Err... Gates said he had "an operating system ready" for IBM. He didn't. He went off and bought it from Seattle Computer Products (SCP). He basically resold an operating system called PCDOS and rebranded it as MSDOS. And he wouldn't have even done that if it weren't for a stroke of luck when Gary Kildall from Digital Research drove IBM away.
>How many 'hard workers' do you know have start ups going?
I'm sorry I have to be the one to tell you this, but most startups fail. 90% of startups fail.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/neilpatel/2015/01/16/90-of-startups-will-fail-heres-what-you-need-to-know-about-the-10/#24192655e192
>>70997657
Okay, go ahead. I've got 100k, what should I invest in so I could get to the 1%? You're talking as if there's a clear path, and I don't believe that to be true.
>>70997396
The "correct way" is the way that yields results over the long haul. It's not a matter of any one way, it's about being engaged to the idea of growing your wealth.
Devoting yourself to managing your finances and increasing cashflow is the goal. It is the result of adaptability, perseverance, and sacrifice; the entrepreneur fills in the details.
>>70997579
What is the "Jew" endgame?
"Jew" is such a buzzword, I just want to understand what their goal is
>>70993556
Free health care and free college works fine in europe
>>70997773
There is no clear path, it's your mindset and your daily habits.
>>70997957
The only think keeping me from being rich is my mindset and daily habits? Are you rich? What are you doing wrong in your life?
>>70997773
Like I said, read. The "clear path" is treating your money as a tool to build passive income for yourself and your family.
>>70993556
Hey I have an idea. Why don't we keep taxing the rich less and letting them get away with more. Seems to be working so far. I mean everything just keeps getting better.
>People work hard to become wealthy
Look! A wild retard! Actually, people mostly inherit wealth.
>>70997801
They aren't some monolithic hive mind group that all individuals adhere to. With that said there is reason to believe that there is a subgroup that actively plots to destroy economies so they can swoop in and buy up various things when the price is low. Many of their elites have massive control in the financial and media outlets and create problems in order to profit from them.
Look into yourself I guess, don't take my word for it.
>>70998033
Marxist point of view: Investing as much as you can, as early as you can, will put you in the "bourgeoisie" category before you realize it
>>70997957
This is like those shitty motivational quotes you see on Facebook
BELIEVE IN YOURSELF EVERYTHING IS POSSIBLE
THE ONLY THING HOLDING YOU BACK IS YOURSELF
POSITIVITY IS EVERYTHING
READ "THE SECRET" AND CHANGE YOUR LIFE
>>70993556
>free
>>70998123
>get away with more
Get away with what, exactly?
>>70998220
I'll ask again: why aren't you rich?
>>70998298
>lower taxes
>deregulate
>muh capitalism
>free market
the bubble burts
>BAIL US OUT MAN
>>70998229
Read a single accredited book on investing and improve your financial habits
>>70997801
Control over all the means of production. In a world where we are moving quickly to more and more automated systems replacing jobs and wih low taxes on the rich you have a situation where the owners of the means of production (jews) have incredible power of the big pool of labour. Do we want to live in a future in which most jobs are automated with all the money going to the owners of production?
taxing the wealthy is actually a misnomer - bernie wants to tax every single trade. That effects everyone with a 401k
>>70998359
I'm doing fine for myself. Why aren't you?
>>70998033
I guess that depends on your definition of "rich" but I wont get into the weeds on this.
I've generated enough cashflow that I don't stress about bills or emergency expenses. I made 112k last year at 22 so while that may not be wealthy, I managed to get this far by learning from people who are millionaires.
What I'm saying if winning the lottery is off the table, your ONLY chance to become rich is to change the way your mind thinks, and to change your daily habits. Most self-made millionares are new money, and they're no different than you or me. If you look at the things they've done to get there, more often than not, it's things you or I could do.
>>70993556
>Tax the wealthy!
>Wealthy get up and move somewhere else and take their companies with them
>Fug
>>70998469
How much money do you have, son?
What's your investment portfolio?
>>70998367
>Control over all the means of production
The Jews want total control over the means of production?
Why does the stock market, a literal EXCHANGE of ownership of companies exist?
It's so weird watching people blatantly lobby against their own self interest.
>>70998578
Four hundred million. We're really getting to this point, son?
>>70998606
How about you provide an actual argument next time.
>>70993556
the average person will never be "wealthy"
realistically the highest paying profession any person could get would be a physician and that still doesn't compare to what "wealthy" is
>>70993556
Being rich is still incentivized. What moron stops trying to become rich because of taxes?
>>70994035
>if t crashes the nation I will be no worse off
look at zimbawe
when whites ruled nigs complainted about muh inequality and muh racism, but they didnt have to eat rats
now they kicked whites out, they own the farms, but are poor as fuck and have to hunt rats to eat
>>70998651
So, you're a temporarily embarrassed millionaire.
I get it.
You've got no investment portfolio, you've got no real money, but you're ready to worship those who do, and you won't even question where that money came from.
>>70998694
What do I care? I got free healthcare and subsidized education already.
Do what you want Americuck.
>>70998799
>Not willing to share my portfolio with somebody on 4chan
You're right, I'm a broke member of the proletariat. Bernie 2016.
>>70998719
The moron who sees over his money being taken away in taxes and decides it's not worth it. In my field when I get over 60 hours of work in one week, I make less than if I worked 55, so why even bother with the last 5 hours?
>muh rich people are evil and need to be plundered
What a childish mentality.
>>70998944
You don't have one. Just stop it.
>>70993556
>Tax the shit out of the wealthy, there is no incentive to become wealthy again.
I think that being wealthy is it's own motivation m8, it works in every single country in the world in spite of whatever marginal tax rate they levy.
Name one modern democracy that has taxed itself into poverty?
>>70998979
*Over half his money.
Free college is overrated people with useless degrees can't even find a job flipping burgers
>>70999008
>can u like stop
Your argument is gone. Go back to tumblr.
I'll just keep enjoying my income that you contribute to. Cheers!
>>70993656
Stop fucking posting the same shit gif every post. I know you come the land of white niggers, but at least have some IQ.
>>70999038
>Americans come and go a lot, but the move of one New Jersey man may put a hole in the state budget. David Tepper, a hedge fund manager with a fortune estimated at more than $10 billion, has been ranked as the wealthiest person in New Jersey, until January, when he moved to Florida, which has no personal income tax. New Jersey draws 40 percent of its state revenue from personal income taxes. The wealthiest 1 percent of taxpayers pay about a third of that revenue.
http://www.npr.org/2016/04/09/473623519/new-jersey-budget-could-head-south-just-like-its-billionare
If you don't think the rich don't exploit tax loopholes right now, you're delusional.
>>70999062
You're right. When I was in college I worked part time at a grocery store in the produce department. There were plenty of people who had bachelor's degrees working with me making about 50 cents more an hour. Saturating the market with useless degrees hurts those who don't have them first, and then those who have worthless ones next. I see many in the Bernie camp voting against their own interest on this issue and many others.
Bernie voters are at the bottom rung of society.
That is a fact. It is 100% impossible to dispute it.
>>70993556
>Why are you going to college?
>So I can get a better job and make a better living?
>So why support Bernie Sanders?
>Why are you going to college?
>So I can educate myself on the arts.
>So why claim college is an investment?
>>70999260
Aren't Trump supporters statistically the least educated and poorest demographic? Like half his base earns <50k.
>>70995812
>murica is an oligarchy
>>70995986
>chill tf out
If you're comfortable with letting the dumbfuck, brainless assholes who work at the fucking MVA run your life, then more power to you.
I'm going to side with capitalism, because at the very least I can tell big companies to fuck off at the end of the day if they piss me off hard enough.
>>70999394
By bottom rung I wasn't speaking towards wealth, more so contribution to society and usefulness to humanity.
Those Trump supporters may make less than 50k, but they also contribute to society with an actual job.
>>70996203
>born into that wealth
check your privilege
>>70999209
If you think a race to the bottom is the best way to secure tax revenue in a federation, you're delusional.
>>70998881
Enjoi being poor little boi
The best thing about the wealthy is they can be replaced.
>>70993556
No it doesn't. People will still try to make more money.
>>70999422
irony... cool!
>>70999582
>race to the bottom
I have no idea how that is relevant to what I posted.
>>70995459
Learn to give arguments before you correct others
>>70999320
Actually one of the better arguments I've seen in here so far
>>70999749
This
>>70999790
Thanks. The thought kinda hit me and I looked for a thread to voice it.
This thread was close enough.
I was hoping for more (You)s, but oh well.
OP signing off. Stay poor, boys.
The truth is people actually hate equality when it costs them their own money.
>>70999715
In a true command economy they sure can be. Even a slightly mixed command/market economy it is possible. But when there are barriers to entry that come from legislation and driving out other competing business with initial lower prices and then gouging the market when the competition leaves makes the rise to the top very hard. These are only two examples of how the very wealthy can make it so they stay on top, and prime examples of the crony capitalism that gets confused with capitalism.
I think many in the Bernie camp are mad at crony capitalism or corporatism and conflate the two resulting in misplaced anger.
>>70993556
The European Socialist utopias (that are all currently burning to the ground) are able to finance their "free" healthcare and college because they're in NATO and don't have to pay shit for defense because the US is keeping Putin from rolling a tank through their front door.
tl;dr europoors are ungrateful cucks that brag about a shitty socialist system that's subsidized by the American taxpayer
>>71000112
Meant true market economy.
>>70993556
You can tax the wealthy at 100% and still it would not be enough to pay for everyone in the US to go to college for free.
Bernie Sanders is a lunatic if he thinks that is a viable solution.
>>70998229
What are you on about? Welfare leeches have a mindset of entitlement and it follows that their daily habits facilitate that. In the long-run, everyone is where they as a culmination of what they do every day, compounded over a lifetime.
>>70993556
How do Europoor countries do it?
>>70993556
There's already no in incentive to be wealthy, friend. Unless you're an insatiably greedy scumbag pissing away tens of thousands of dollars on useless extravagances, drugs and whores anybody can live a life humble life of dignity on less than $15,000 in any city in the world. There is such a thing as too much money and more than you could spend indulging in every possible vice definitely qualifies.
>>70999174
Can't handle the bantz burger?
>>70993556
the solution isn't tax the rich to pay for current college, it's to turn college into public highschool part 2 and tax the rich to pay for the legions of propagandists- i mean teachers.
At work:
Educate yourself.
Say yes to everything your boss says
Don't act like you're the best man for the job act like you're the ONLY man for the job.
Invest and spend wisely.
Took me fourteen years started out by sharing an apartment with my brother and serving tables.
>Inb4 lies on the internet.
>>70993556
The effect you're talking about exists but not when the wealthy are paying an effective tax rate of in many cases 15% or less (most of their income is taxed at the capital gains rate). It just depends what your definition of "taxing the shit" out of them is. I'd say 70%-75% effective tax rate on the 1% is probably the Goldilocks zone where taxes are just high enough to maximize revenue without hurting the economy.
fastest way to bolster an economy is to give poor people money because they spend it all.
>>70994986
A democracy implies that everyone is smart enough to know what is the best choice to make.
Some people, unfortunately, are misinformed and bought-out.
In a land of no wrong answers, theirs is.
>>70993556
he's just increasing the % of profits taxed.
You still want to make more money regardless, because you'll make more money.
besides you are not rich, OP. And you'd still want to be rich under his plan
>>70993556
Also why would they stay in the country. If you tried to take a lot of my money I'd leave for sure, move my business as well if you mandated 15 minimum wage.
Flat tax rate us really the only thing that is honestly fair.
>>70993556
Lmao nice
>>70993656
fuck off with the same forced pic every fucking time
Rich people seriously bitching about having less money?
>Boo-hoo-abloo, how can I ever live on less than $100k a year???
Seriously though, anybody having that much wealth while other citizens live in squalor is just unethical. It is unethical that it is allowed.
>>71000120
DOOM is right
DOOM is always right
>>70996308
>Yeah create humanity altering technology that is so disruptive our cultures revolve around their development.
My d00d, these types of companies are fewer and farther between tge b you think.
>>70998525
Congratulations, you're at around the top 7-9%. Your age is largely irrelevant here, though you might make it to the top 1% if you work your ass off until you retire... maybe. The top 1% consists of specialist doctors, hedge fund managers, and so on. You know, people with lobbyists artificially cutting competition in their field and artificially inflating demand by legally mandating their presence where they're not needed. You're not quite rich, but you're sort of in the upper-middle class. So long as your area doesn't have lobbyists artificially inflating the cost of living near you, as they do in the Bay Area, you might be able to live comfortably.
>>71001830
>>70999174
Just filter the pic. It'll filter that sack of human garbage too.
>>70993556
I fucking hate this guy. I would prefer him over Hillary though.
