Why exactly 15?
>>70984387
+15
I dunno, we should raise it to $1000, that way nobody would be poor!
>>70984387
To boost employment.
>>70984387
because its twice the amount of 7.50
>>70984465
I hope you will really do this.
>>70984387
$15 gets you a small bag of weed.
Then we can eliminate the jew that is the penny and eliminate waste and move on to a world we he have only pile-of-rocks-dollar-bills.
>>70984387
>>70984649
They don't have dime bags and nickel bags anymore?
Who the fuck pays $15 for a sack?
>>70984387
15 times the chance to fuck over small businesses
>>70984387
I'm a teacher and I don't make that fucking much.
Fuck these lazy assholes.
>>70984387
Because if minimum wage kept up with inflation, that is where it would be today.
$15/hour times a forty hour work week time fifty-two weeks in a year comes out to $31,200 gross income for a year
not really sure what significance that amount has but that's the math of it
>>70984387
Because some liberals did some number crunching and figured out to live in a crappy apartment, shop and Whole Foods, buy weed and purchase the newest Iphone you need to earn $15/h
>>70984465
Republicans should try this
>get the retard vote
>watch democrats tie themselves in knots trying to argue against it
would be lulzy.
Obviously the $15/hour won't go through immediately, they'll have to ease into it. By the time we finally reach 15, they'll be crying for 20.
The fight for a higher minimum wage will literally never end as long as these idiots think that raising it is a good idea.
>>70984988
>we're making more money than ever!
>>70985028
Not hard.
>Potassium is good for you, so why not eat 10000mg a day!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/36013866/burger-king-staff-in-america-smash-their-own-windows-after-a-prank-call
Well earned.
>>70985035
>'ease' into it
Yeah anon, in my view the reason they are pushing this hard is because walmart and co. want less competition. Smaller companies will feel the hit, they wont.
>>70984387
Because poor people want to live like the middle class.
>>70984387
>I want a 15 minimum wage, I'm not getting paid enough
5 years later after being phased in, inflation has made 15 dollar min wage irrelevant as it is just the same as it was before between living expenses
>I want 25 an hour
5 years later the cycle repeats
Whatever brings robots quicker is fine by me
>>70985246
I don't blame that guy someone calls you with a urgent voice and tells you to act or you die and you don't know how the fuck anything works you're bound to obey.
Of course since we're calmly discussing it it seems ridiculous, but imagine being in that situation with someone yelling at you over the phone.
>>70984387
Why not
>government buys millions of iPads, Jordans and plasma tv's
>just gives them to the po'
Would this work?
Because with the lowly cashier positions taken over by machines. The higher value posts of busboys and lavatory attendants naturally deserve raises to keep the talents where they belong.
>>70984905
Exactly
Just because these dicks are ambition-impaired doesn't mean that the world owes them.
>durr, I've been a airport shuttle bus driver for 15 years and all I make is $12/hr! This is bullshit!
No, you're supposed to drive a bus for a few years and then move on to something better. If someone can learn to do your job in an afternoon, your job will never be worth more than the least amount of money the next guy will take to do it.
>>70984717
That would be nice
>>70984644
Damn this movie was redpilled as fuck.
>>70984387
What were you expecting? 14.88?
>>70985694
If everyone did that, there would be no bus drivers left.
We have more fast food /service jobs than we have teenagers.
>>70984905
>I'm a teacher
Glorified babysitter, brainwashing kids with liberal garbage. Kill yourself
raising it to $1000 aint a half-bad idea desu.
prices would go up virtually overnight and everyone's savings would be wiped out, including the trillions in corporate accounts.
net result being a lot more money moving around in the economy.
>>70984387
>Be earning minimum wage
>Bernie wins and increases minimum wage
>Get fired due to company cost cutting
Thanks Bernie!
>>70984905
Your pay goes up with the minimum wage dumbass, teachers aren't exempt from the fed minimum wage
>>70985850
I almost want to be a teacher just to fuck with the curriculum.
>Get handed Common Core
>Throw it in the trashbin and go teach actual ways to solve
>>70985852
bernie sanders, how are you posting from australia?!
>>70985852
Yeah, but you'd have to jump it to $1000 overnight. They're not going to tell you that's about to happen on TV.
Its like cranking the interest rates. They just can't do it without gambling everything away.
>>70985852
Also, the insane CEO salaries would take a huge hit for inflation until they figured out how to adjust it, and by the time they did the companies wouldn't be sitting on sufficient savings to pay them $150 million a year.
>>70984387
Because of the alliteration of Fight and Fifteen! It is poetic. God why are people on the right so dumb!
>>70985567
Just open all the doors and windows to relieve pressure. You're just as retarded as these burger flippers.
>>70985975
Should a teacher with a college degree be making as much as a high schooler who flips burgers?
>>70986031
Not saying it would actually benefit any minimum wage people directly, just get money moving.
>>70986039
>you'd have to jump it to $1000 overnight.
Yep that's the plan, otherwise you'd need capital controls until it was implemented.
>>70984465
Why stop there?
>>70984387
>Why exactly 15?
It is the breaking point that will crush small business in the US
Hiring Americans to do these jobs will be impossible so the flood of illegals will be unstoppable.
Guys, post this video everywhere you can.
Let liberals see it. Maybe this will bring their minds back.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siW0YAAfX6I
>>70986133
If she's a shitty teacher that doesn't show up or bother to teach properly and the kid's burgers are perfect and he also manages inventory and sales records, sure why not?
>>70986108
Fight and Fourteen?
Fight and Forty?
Fight and Fifty?
Fight and Four hundred?
Fight and five hundred?
>>70986133
Probably not, but a raise is a raise till inflation catches up
>>70985876
>Be earning minimum wage
>Obongo creates Obongocare
>Company forces me to work part time so they don't have to cover my insurance
They have good intentions its just that everything they do backfires because they don't understand humanity.
>>70986070
>sufficient savings to pay them $150 million a year.
you're retarded
they pay that out of their profits, profits would adjust as inflation adjusts. only in the case of shrinking profits would CEO pay drop, even then it would take a lot of shrinkage
if you want to blame someone for CEO pay, blame the SEC for requiring companies in the 90s to publicize CEO pay
that's what caused the massive increases. fuller information means greater competition and a few million to get a good CEO is pennies for a multinational corporation
>>70986167
>Yep that's the plan,
But not until the time is right.
Do you personally suppose many people have read ferFAL's book about the original Argentinian collapse?
>>70984387
That gets it closer to inflation.
12 is to low, 18 is too high (although, not really, we could do 25, inflation is that high right now)
>>70984387
>1+5=6
>Jew star has 6 sides
>201 6
>666
It's all part of the plan burgerbro
>>70986000
You have to get tenure.
>>70984387
Why are you selling pieces of your life for a pittance and getting mad at people who want more for pieces of their lives?
>>70985256
Underrated post. The big corporations can weather the hit and adapt with far better efficiency than mom and pop businesses. Plus, the said corporations can leverage money far more easily to invest in automation than mom and pop businesses.
>>70986182
we was rocks an shit
>>70984905
>one of my bro teachers could have been a /pol/ack
that's a nice thought
Why not $100,000,000 an hour?
Why not set fire to every small business you see?
>>70986424
>profits would adjust as inflation adjusts
Right, but it'll take time for inflation to equalize, the economy will be in a state of chaos as they try to re-price, competitiveness will force them to continue trying to keep it as low as possible, and profit margins narrow.
CEO's effective spending power drops as soon as prices start to rise. It'll take time for them to figure out the inflation rate and raise his pay accordingly, and by that time the profit margins will be much lower.
Why shouldn't everyone be guaranteed a livable wage?
>>70984717
Do I still get paid if I do a shitty job?
>>70984465
Holy shit, that could actually work.
>>70984387
Democrat worry about minimum wage
Republicans worry about maximum potential
>>70985799
No, if everyone did that, they would have to pay bus drivers more to entice them to do the job.
>>70986669
limited resources
>it's an american fights against their own interests thread
I look forward to the day China and the poo in the loos develop enough that they ship jobs back to America because it'll be cheaper to let overworked mongrels do it and let the government cover the rest in food stamps.
>>70986669
>Livable Wage meme
>>70986669
Because fuck your lazy ass that is why
>>70986794
Is that really true?
>>70986669
Because there are no entry level jobs then.
>>70986182
Is that a poo to the left of four squares on the bottom right?
>>70986853
Why would anyone want to work for piss poor pay in 2016?
>>70984750
taxes my dude
>>70986973
to survive.
removing that incentive means that nobody works at all and America dies my friend
>>70986886
Peak oil
Clean water
>>70985679
>no image
What the fuck
>>70986669
Because not all people need a livable wage
Like dependents
>>70986980
but dude weed lmao
>>70986108
If you support a policy just because it sounds "poetic", then YOU are the dumb one.
Who and why the fuck is this proposed?
>>70987067
But wouldn't guaranteeing people a livable wage make more people work now that they have something to look forward to?
>>70986669
DO that and most of your workers stop working.
Who's gonna bother paving roads and doing labor intensive jobs if they'd make the same amount on the couch?
>>70987279
What do they have left to look forward to? Getting paid?
>>70987333
I didn't mean give everyone free money if they don't work
>>70986669
>livable wage
Stop with this fucking intellectually dishonest buzzword already. You can easily cut your living costs by living with someone else.
>>70984465
AYO HOL UP
EXPLAIN WHY THIS WASNT WORK THEN WHITEY?
>>70987372
I don't know, a better life?
>>70987396
What's a flat in london cost there mate?
>>70987220
Niggers and SJWs. As usual.
>>70987279
Happiness is a temporary state of the human mind. It needs to seek out ever new experiences as the current ones become stale and uninteresting, and the person is liable to slip into depression.
They may be very happy with $15 an hour when it comes in. But even if inflation didn't exist, a year from then, six months from then, they'll want more, and they'll be unhappy with $15 an hour.
It's the reason Communism failed. Basic human nature.
>>70986973
Because they don't have the skills/experience to work for more. If your value is less than the minimum wage you won't get work.
I wonder if this is an argument for the basic wage recently introduced by Finland. If the state provides a minimum then the minimum wage becomes pointless and can be abolished. This would allow people who would otherwise be unemployable due to the minimum wage to take on very low paid work.
Just a thought.
>>70987450
>don't mind me, just getting paid to have a better life (tm).
>Making about $17
>Won't get a raise
Fuck.
>>70986949
its a pregnant black lady with a elongated neck
>>70984387
There should be a hammer and sickle on that pic senpai
>>70987707
>senpai
fuck off you fucking weeaboo cancer fagot
>>70987837
>Doesn't know about the word filters.
>>70987837
The newfag is strong with this one. Is plebbit raiding us or did you just get tired of the shithole you created?
>>70986182
>>70986949
>>70987691
It's fried chicken
>>70985028
>You should hear the the things the Democrats are saying about the new minimum wage. "It's too high, you'll crush businesses!" Awful words. The press asked me what my response is. I told them the minimum wage just got $10 higher.
>>70987607
It's about time he grew his beard for the Jews. I was about to call him a racist.
>>70987607
same here desu. I'm sure as fuck asking for a raise, as should you. BOOM instant inflation.
>>70986669
Why shouldn't everyone be guaranteed a life
While we're at it, why doesn't the government just seize unsold houses and give them to the homeless, take control of private grain refineries and establish bread lines instead of supermarkets, and mandate where and when you work instead of having you waste time and money learning to do your profession of choice
>>70984387
>i made less than that per hour as a programmer at a job 2 years back
>hear this story
>>70988210
You know, with an AI perfectly controlling minimum resource distribution, that isn't such a far fetched idea. Greatly reduces supply chain costs and thus overall welfare costs.
>>70988462
Stop playing around the bantz and just admit you need to genocide your niggers.
>>70988210
Go read a history book
>>70984465
My govt teacher told me that setting the minimum wage too high like 22$ is too unbalanced for economy to hold. He continued with saying that setting the wage at around 15$ in hour would affect the inflation and cost of living, but it would balance out with the economy or something.
Does anyone know what he is talking about, and if so, is he right?
>>70988462
8 pieces of bread, 4 pieces of cheese, 1 quart of soup with 5 grams of flavouring, two quarts of water, 25 grams of coffee/tea, 200 grams of meat and a vitamin supplement per person per day.
If you just want survival, that could be well administered by AI controlled bread lines.
>>70984387
So how will California's economy compare to the other states? Is there something a non-californian can do to profit off of this somehow?
>>70988891
>4 pieces of cheese
rato detected
>>70984387
It's a tool of the corrupt unions using the poor and stagnant wages as a bargaining chip.
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/apr/12/los-angeles-15-dollar-minimum-wage-unions?utm_source=jolt&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Jolt04142016&utm_term=Jolt
See, unions in Los Angeles spend years fighting for $15 an hour and get it and now they want to be exempt because the entire thing is a bargaining chip they can now use. Either stay out of the union and get $15 an hour but no benefits or join the union and make less but get benefits. It's a scam perpetrated by the "defenders of labor" to try and strong arm people into joining unions which means more money for union heads thanks to having to pay dues and probably negotiating better deals for themselves (but not the actual employees) from companies as well.
In conclusion, unions need to die and be rebuilt from the ground up.
>>70989099
Yeah, base your business anywhere outside California and sell your products inside the state.
>>70988882
artificially increasing the price of something is never good. if people were worth more than they are getting paid then they should be able to negotiate a higher wage on their own. the problem is they are not.
>>70989361
It aint easy desu, I was doing work worth an average 80k salary in my last job, worked my way up from entry-level to do that work and only managed a grand total of a 10% raise, from my initial salary, in 4 years.
I left and looking for work elsewhere now.
>>70985470
Yes that is exactly how it is supposed to work you dumb nigger
>>70986377
>Fight and five hundred
Sounds like Fightin' 500 if you say it fast. No matter the sport, be it boxing, mma, or whatever, it sounds like it would be a hell of a thing to watch.
>>70989241
Oh and of course the benefit too is that now unions can then go up to businesses and go "yeah, we can offer you cheap employment but ONLY if you unionize". The entire thing is a ripoff, fuck unions.
1. Because you don't water down your demands before you begin negotiating.
2. some analysis would say that a $15 minimum wage is consistent with historical minimum wages after inflation.
>>70990012
>not getting the ultimate life when it's $15
>>70985975
Are you fucking retarded?
Salary doesn't scale with hourly pay you fucking nigger.
>>70984717
Wait, I can literally get paid to shill?
>>70988262
So you're being underpaid, and your reaction is to attack people to ensure they continue to make less than you?
with a $15 minimum wage, you would not only bump up your wages, but now that folding clothes are competitive offers, your company will have to pay you more to compete.
>>70990129
Salary is a fixed hourly rate on a fixed number of hours you stupid nigger
It should be 10-12 or not at all, anyone who says otherwise doesn't know what they're talking about.
>>70990129
>Salary doesn't scale with hourly pay you fucking nigger.
this is like saying peanut butter isn't made from peanuts
((((economists))))
>>70990372
Salary is a contract. So much better being a part-time job so that I only get paid as much as I work.
Boss even tried to work out a new deal one time because I was working too many hours and had to get paid overtime.
>>70990226
You don't mean to tell me you are currently doing it without being compensated financially?
>>70984987
that's not how it works
>>70988882
there's a reason he was a govt teacher and not an econ teacher
>make 25 an hour +time and a half for over 40
>got job when min wage was 8.75
>min wage is going to 15 an hour
wooah? I'm going to be making less then half the wealth I use to earn after inflation kicks in. Who the fuck thought this was a good idea?
>>70984905
Fuck off. Where do you teach that you make such shit? Average starting salary is around 40,000 a year. Some less some more.
40,000 divided by 9 months ( 36 weeks ) is about 1,111. A week. Divided but 40n hours in a week ( we both know you don't work 40 ) is $27.78 an hour. There's no way you make less than $15 an hour you fuck.
You probably are one of those retards that say teachers have to get summer jobs cause they're so poor.
>>70985470
This is how it works except the increases are much smaller, the US inflation is generally very low like 1-2% so the wage only increases like 15-20 cents an hour each year
>>70984387
>work as a furniture mover to pay for college, part time during the school year and full time during summer
>do 8-12 hour days, sometimes even more: the job is only done when we're done with everything
>moving safes, couches, treadmills, and boxes on boxes full of books is the hardest physical work I've ever done
>earn $15 an hour
>this is $6 over state minimum wage, because no one would do it otherwise: the job is so difficult, dirty, and requires the patience of saint to be exhausted and deal with rude, physically weak cuck customers
>if this shit passes the faggots doing joke jobs at my Uni will earn as much as me to browse facebook
fucking disgusting.
>>70985799
Only about 16% of high-school aged teens are in the workforce. There are enough teenagers but they can't be expected to work these full time jobs.
>>70991577
get the fuck out of california. Go somewhere cheaper if you can.
>>70985975
>Your pay goes up to the minimum wage dumbass
fixed
>>70991577
Theoretically you can expect them to pay you $21 an hour after the change because no one would do it otherwise
Fuck the Jews!
>>70988882
He's right. Artificially increasing wages inevitably causes an artificial increase in inflation... usually one which ends up exceeding whatever short term gains you get from the wage increase.
Ex.
In 1950 the minimum wage was $0.75 an hour
Average rent for a single apartment was about $45 a month
You needed to work about 60 hours to cover your rent for the month.
Today the minimum wage in most states is $7.50
Average rent for a single apartment is about $600 a month.
You need to work 80 hours to cover your rent for the month.
When you let the market set wages, they tend to more closely match inflation. When you impose artificial wage increases, it drives inflation.
>>70984387
Multiple of 5.
The next step will probably be 18 and then soon 20.
>>70984387
because the dumb poorfags think if they get $15/hr they only need to work 1/2 the time now
>>70991027
>Who the fuck thought this was a good idea?
Unskilled workers e.g. idiots
>>70985975
Because salary is hourly now right?
>>70993324
>Multiples of 5
>next step will probably be 18
THANKS COMMON CORE
>>70984387
The movement started in 2015 so I guess it must be based on the current year. Just wait for them to start pushing $16 an hour this year.
>>70988210
While we're being bernie sanders, why not just give everyone a brand new car? There's enough in the dealerships.
>>70984387
Because it's more than they make now. After they get 15 and see prices on everything go up they will be demanding 20.
>>70984387
When everyone is earning $15/hr it will be worth what the current $7.whatever is.
>>70984387
>worrying about hourly rate and not annual
Fuckin poor people
curious the same people who want 15 dollars minimum wage also want open borders and sanctuary cities for illegal mexicans you can pay 4 dollars an hour..
I'm torn. I do support a raise in the minimum wage since most studies show it would stimulate demand in the economy so long as the rise is moderate and implemented slowly. I don't think the minimum wage should a 'living' wage however. The clue is in the title...MINIMAL. Anyone earning minimum wage should consider that their employer would pay them less if they could. Any job paying minimum wage is worth less than that level of pay in the competitive market place.
>>70984387
$51.oo
don't you guys realize that for the upcoming age of automation to come minimum wage must be raised? Companies now have no incentive to innovate with automation when they can hire cheap labor. If human labor was worth more by law companies would be forced to innovate with automation to cut their human labor cost
>>70996237
Now that is an argument that sparks my interest. We're certainly going to require more robust public services.
Do you guys not realize that the real issue are the wages themselves? People are getting paid for wasting most of their time, regardless of that time being spent doing something useful or not.
>>70997681
back to the reddit karma dole
>>70992333
I live in Oregon (spoiler: Portland).
And unfortunately, the job I'm starting at is even more expensive.
>>70998490
No I mean it. Everyone should consider the changes the economy is likely to undergo in the coming decades and whether our current institutions are up to the challenge of meeting those new challenges or whether we'll need a new way of doing things.
Fuck no
>>70984387
>get 15 an hour
>end up getting taxed more
>prices rose negating your manufactured wage growth
>>70984387
a dimebag costs $10, a slice of pizza costs $3, and an arizona tea costs $2.
>>70984387
funny how they put it in red.
>>71000809
>>70984387
you guys should raise your minimum wage to reduce the necessity of tipping but
>15$/h for burgerflippers
ebin
>>70984387
Because we're already paying people $15/hr with food stamps and subsidies because Walmart and other Corps are fucking people over. The hope is to move the burden from the government to the corporations.
>>70988109
kek
>>70984387
It's a meme, you dip.
If you ask for $15 you get $12 or $11 for certain jobs.
If you ask for $11 your boss rapes your family to death in front of you and has you charged with the crime. You have to demand more than you can get. Signaling for anything less marks you as prey.
>>70984387
Multiples of 5 are psychologically sticky.
After all, we use base 10 and its prime factorization is 2 and 5.
>>70984905
>>70985850
>tfw I'm in school to be a teacher
I fucking hated the female teacher's I had in high school who were man haters. I know I'm not going to make a difference, but at least I get summers off
>>70990877
this.
tell him to stop teaching subjects that he isn't being paid to
>>70985679
I've actually used one of those automated machines before
10/10 would order from again. Spoke perfect english and didn't get my order wrong.
I can't wait for the minimum wage to rise so the machines will replace the illiterate cashiers.
Although it was nice getting more money back some times than you are supposed to because the highschool dropout couldn't do math
>>71003416
>Getting summers off as a teacher
You're really dumb, you know that.
>>70986669
because fuck you some jobs aren't worth a liveable wage
nobody working at mcdonalds as a burger flipper should be homeowners
>>70987607
>Working for $17
>min wage goes to $15
>your salary just got reduced to $2 above min
>prices rise but your salary doesn't
>businesses make more money after inflation overall because of the minimum wage increase
these liberals are cucking themselves over
>>70984387
Because 1 + 5 = 6.
6 is very significant to the PTB
Discover the meaning of the number to them.
>>70984387
I don't get 15 either. As someone who worked Minimum wage, quite recently in
fact, I can see why it would be hard to live on that, even with no dependents. I
think somewhere around ten dollars is reasonable, but fifteen? That is a literal
100% increase. If the last place I worked for minimum wage had to meet that
they would be out of business, or at least have to increase the prices of their
products beyond the point of competition with their corporate competitors.
I suddenly understand. This is a jew ploy to destroy local business and get the
people completely dependent on the corporate teat for both employment and
consumerism. They are fine with paying you more if it all comes back to them
anyway.
>>71006908
It depends entirely on the area, which is why a federal increase is bizarre to me. If the federal minimum is $15 in Bumfuck, Montana, these minimum wage workers are probably going to be doing pretty fucking well for themselves, assuming the rest of the market doesn't inflate to match the increase.
But here in fucking San Diego, $15 would get you just skating by. Currently most people work a full time, and a part time job on the side to maintain with a little cushion spending in this area, if you're a minimum wage worker. So it's absolutely a good idea, which is why the fucking state already has passed a law to enable the state minimum to increase to $15. We live in a country where the cost of living varies wildly between states, and even within the states themselves. Let the states decide the appropriate amount they should offer, because North Carolina workers do not need to be paid the same as California workers, given they pay for most everything far less.
>>70984449
FPBP
>>70984905
>falling for the petagogy jew
How does it feel knowing that you are probably as stupid as your students and have to follow district ciricullum like a cuck slave?
Why do Americans always deal in extremes?
Liberals are stupid.
They don't know the definition of "inflation".
They also have to say 15 "bucks", because they are too stupid to identify money as a national currency.
>>70986669
>people unironically think guaranteed income is a good idea
>>71008815
>They also have to say 15 "bucks", because they are too stupid to identify money as a national currency.
That's kind of ironic coming from a german though.
What's the currency you're dealing in called again? The one that replaced the DM? How national is that one?
>>70984905
>teacher
You're probably one of those horrible teacher who reads word for word from the book.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcE8uH2LT1U
>>70986000
This shows quite well that you aren't a teacher.
There is nothing wrong with Common Core in essence. You've just forgotten that there was a point where math wasn't completely intuitive to you.
Common Core is designed to teach math to children who barely have any idea of how to count, up to pre-algebra, and in such away that even the slowest motherfucker can get there. Teaching methods and tricks to kids that don't have the inclination to come up with their own, and never skipping steps that you and I make mentally, with a language that doesn't intimidate the faint of heart. It does its job admirably.
The problem arises from lazy teachers that just want to tick off what's on the answer card, and can't/won't provide stimulus for, or worse, can't keep up with the kids that do actually understand math. They just end up trying to teach the lowest common denominator, abandoning and punishing the gifted.
Throwing Common Core's methods into the trashbin would just leave you frustrated with no way of handling the slow students.
Instead of raising the minimum wage...
Why don't the people who can't afford to live off the current minimum wage move to cheaper areas?
>>70986408
And then the owner of that company spends 200million on a painting.
