Greenland’s Ice Sheet Is Melting So Fast Right Now, Scientists Thought It Was an Error
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/04/13/greenland_is_melting_much_faster_than_scientists_expected.html
I mean how much longer are you cucks going to stick your head in the sand and keep pretending we arent completely fucking over our planet.
I hope europe is flooded
>>70982339
It wont just be europe that is flooded but every single coastline on the planet and even New Zealand.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbiRNT_gWUQ
Good ill move there when the niggers take over
>>70982780
Looks pretty nice.
>>70982780
a lot goes under water but i said after finishing. Thats it? the doomsday didn't flood the entire planet. there is now less land but still a fuck ton of livable space.
>>70982780
Chicago reigns.
The rate of human Carbon emissions has risen by approximately 50% over the past 15 years despite this, there has been virtually no or minimal warming in the global average surface temperature over that same time period.
Essentially, what we have is over the past century or so CO2 levels have risen from about 280 ppm to 400 ppm and we have seen a corresponding increase in temp of about .7 or .8 degrees Centigrade. This is roughly consistent with the warming expected from CO2 level increases only, meaning no postive feedpack loops of other greenshouse gases being released which are much stronger than CO2.
In order for temps to rise solely due to CO2 you need to see a doubling of CO2 concentrations for each degree centirgrade. That means to go from 400 ppm rough current concentration to 800 ppm would only increase average global temps by 1 degree centigrade. The higher CO2 concentrations get the better the carbon sinks get, i.e. plant greening.
tldr global warming isn't an existenstial threat or even anything to give much thought. If you want to worry about an existentstial threat worry about a rogue asteroid smashing into our planet and get to work on developing a space program.
>>70982250
Come home white man? Should Greenland be our new whiteopia that we build - no multiculturalism?
Ice expands, ice melts.
Quit spreading the global warming myth please.
>>70982780
It actually looks better.
>>70982250
OH NO, Obama more proof that climate change exists, quick give more US and Eu taxpayer dollars to India and China, hurry!
>>70982250
I think it is a blessing. An abrupt change will force the world to take actions and stop talking about hypothetical solutions.
good
can't wait to move there
>>70987507
>>70987561
>>70987658
>>70987700
>>70987778
>>70982250
nobody gives a fuck
>>70987507
nothing to do there, and the majority are eskimos iirc. look at the suicide rates.
>>70987905
I thought it was the same as Scandinavia
didn't Vikings used to live there?
Who cares!
The world can burn for all I care!
>>70982250
b-b-but Trump told me science was just a hoax!
>>70988039
The whole place looks comfy af tb-h
There is no scientific evidence that actions taken by government to 'stop global warming' will do anything.
NONE. It's all a big communist scam.
>>70988134
>>70988234
>>70988272
>>70988224
>there is no scientific evidence that reducing GHG emissions will reduce GHG emissions
top kek anon. Anywhere else I'd assume you were trolling, but /pol/ has enough retards that you might actually believe that shit
>>70982780
Thats just wrong, Cali isn't that small.
>>70988337
>>70988351
Go cry to china they'll laugh at you
>>70982250
>ice is melting
wow. never seen this before folks
>>70987507
You realize it is almost at sea level. If the ice melts, Nuuk will be gone too.
Global warming is a good thing. It will necessitate the creation of new technology.
It's going to be awesome.
>>70985213
Lies.
Your graph is also horrible manipulation of data showing only the lower troposphere which we already discovered was an error of data collection from the satellites looking through an increasingly cooling stratosphere but you wouldn't know anything about that.
http://www.yaleclimateconnections.org/2013/09/vertical-human-fingerprint-found-in-stratospheric-cooling-tropospheric-warming/
>>70987700
That is absolutely stuning. What a place to live, and to think conservatives want to destroy it.
>>70982250
Nice graph who knew it gets hot in the summer.
>mid April check weather
>temps in the 30s every night with no end in sight
>it snowed a week ago
Oh wow such warning holy shit
Very truth much legit
Those satellites also had a huge meltdown recently which caused them to give bad readings..
>actually look at the dmi data
>the ice is growing massively above the average.
What world do I live in where libs actually support the sattelite data?
>>70988224
>oy vey its just a scam dont hamper our mega corporations
>good goyim just keep polluting the planet its all a hoax nothing bad will happen dont look at all the pollution
>>70985213
>there has been virtually no or minimal warming in the global average surface temperature over that same time period.
I'll take "complete and utter bullshit that retarded conservatives believe" for $400
Just because retarded conservatives told you the Earth is no longer warming doesn't mean the Earth is no longer warming Anon. 4 of the 5 warmest years on record happened in the past 15 years, including #2 in 2014 and #1 in 2015
>>70988606
>adjusts existing data due to "systematic collection errors"
>"Guys we are not engaging in confirmation bias and specifically looking for errors because we don't like the actual data shows."
>>70982250
I'm sure it's just a coincidence, but it's the Spring season. I forgot what ice does in Spring though, could you remind me?
>>70982339
Water level isn't the only thing that would change. The newly fresh water added could basically change the underwater currents that basically transport heat to most of the northern hemisphere and basically turn all of Europe and America into a giant glacial in a couple of decades.
>>70989022
>im literally too retarded to read the article: the post
do you have someone help you tie your shoes as well? Do they know you are using the computer to browse 4chan?
>>70988885
>doesn't know the difference between T and delta T
>>70989096
When a fortune teller gets something right after being consistently wrong for a long time it doesn't count.
>>70988224
>There is no scientific evidence that science is real
>Science is just a big communist scam
Seriously though how are people this stupid allowed to exist?
>>70982250
Hate to say it but gotta give it to the leaf this time
Climate deniers are literally the most retarded faggots ever, worse than fucking creationists.
If you think it is not happening then you must be living in a crystal globe smaller than SJW's one.
The fact that the globe's entire ecosystem(s) are adjusting to it is just a false flag that Earth is not changing.It is now slowly changing, and even in few decades we might not see "big" changes, but you still have to be a retard to deny it.
>Proves how much /pol/acks are leaving their basements.
>>70988478
The chinese are going big on wind and solar anon, they have the largest win and solar plants in the world.
>>70989359
>well thought out post
>no autism
>from romania
Are you just visiting?
You know, this is something I never got. If the seas are supposed to rise an average of an inch or so over the next few decades, how does that translate into those nightmare scenarios where Manhattan is under 40 feet of water and half of Florida is gone?
I'm serious, someone explain that shit.
>>70989185
>first year math/physics major trying to make himself sound smart because he doesn't actually have a point to make
T current is higher than T past. That means delta T is positive retard. Maybe spend less time shit-posting on /pol/ and more time studying so you don't flunk out of freshman year
>>70989255
Hey I don't disagree but arguing that adding a huge amount of Fresh Water into the ocean isn't basically going to completely off balance the current system is being ignorant at best and fucking stupid and knowing nothing about science at worse.
>>70989518
i already posted the video
>>70982780
>>70982780
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>>70988885
>and #1 in 2015
Oh also El Nino doesn't count, and you need to learn that 5 year moving average is what most serious scientists concern themselves with.
>>70989496
Meh, browsing for about 2 years.
You guys just believe all the fucking memes.(it's like you can't filter all the BS)
>inb4 gypsy
I can clarify all the facts compared to romanian shitposting , but maybe tomorrow.
>>70989573
That video doesn't answer my question at all.
>>70982250
Just send this water to Africa and you'll solve 2 problems at once
>>70989542
>herp derp delta T of .1 is same as predicted delta T of .8 cuz day iz boff pozitif and shiet. We'z all gonna die!
>>70989699
>2015 was the first El Nino year in history
no, no it was not.
And FYI, 2012 was the warmest la nina year on record. Imagine that.
>5 year
no it's not. It's 10-15 years. And the past 10-15 years are the warmest 10-15 years on record.
Seriously just stop, you're embarassing yourself at this point. You obviously have no fucking clue what you're talking about, so leave this thread, spend the rest of the night doing some basic research, and then for tomorrow's daily "is science real" thread on /pol/ you can be on the side that says "yes, science is real"
BUILD A WALL
>>70989979
>herp
>derp
>cuz
>day
>is
>boff
>poztif
>shiet
>We'z
amazing point Anon. I can't argue with such an intelligent person as yourself
>>70982780
>>70982250
Nobody cares.
>>70982780
NICE!!!!! I live in Atlanta and invest in real estate here so Im going to be fucking rich
>>70989542
It was warmer when Ceaser was cucking the Gauls, and ever warmer than that when WE WUZ was building pyramids.
:)
>>70982250
Look at the coastlines of all the major continents 50,000 years ago. Hell, the only reason people migrated to the british isles is because it was PART OF THE FUCKING CONTINENT.
Sea levels change all the time.. I'm not a climate change denier in the sense that I DO believe carbon emissions have an effect on the climate. But is it a world ending doomsday problem? Fuck. No. People who live on the coast will have to migrate over a course of decades, big fucking deal. Humanity has faced much worse.
>>70990445
due to natural causes that are not causing the current warming. CO2 levels are higher now than they've been for over a million years (yes, this also means the Earth is older than 6,000 years), which means unless something changes the earth is going to keep getting warmer
>>70989518
It means low-lying areas will be flooded much more intensely. Go take a gander at your nearest ocean or Beach. Marvel at how much water you can see and think to yourself how much all that water must also weigh. Even the slightest addition to the depth of a mere 5 x 5 Km patch of ocean (which is approximately how far you can see standing at sea level) is an incredible amount of water. Now imagine adding not an inch, but a foot of extra water to all that and now you're within the realm of what's actually going to happen in the next 20 years even if we completely stopped all carbon emissions worldwide. It takes the Earth a while to show us first hand effects of pollution, which is why some are confused as to how the sky hasn't quite fallen yet despite over a century of industrialized activity. We're now at that physical, tangible reality tipping point.
>>70989359
Feel free to pull the sources on the Earth's ecosystem reacting to man-made global warming, and not simply reacting to typical weather pattern anomalies from your ass at any time, Gypsy.
Try to make sure they're peer reviewed, and non-biased.
>>70990131
>2012 was the warmest la nina year on record
Pretty sure I remember reading that that was a mistake on the ICPP's part and they've later revised it to 1937 being the warmest la nina.
>>70990131
>still doesn't understand the difference between delta T and T and why different delta T's are not the same
Currently taking AP "Environmental Science" in your high school doesn't mean you know much man.
>>70990527
forgot pic
>>70982780
>china gets deleted
I'm ok with this
>>70990823
>inb4 IPCC
>>70990643
You haven't disproven anything, fag.
It's been far, far warmer before, yet there was no global catastrophe.
Unlike you, I can remember when the climate change hoax pushers were claiming that the glaciers would be fully melted away 10 years ago.
:)
>>70990527
>Sea levels change all the time
That's disingenuous anon. We've never seen such rapid change in human history, and never seen change driven primarily by human behaviorism.
I'm sorry but /pol/ will never convince me that 90%+ of climate scientists are part of a conspiracy. Especially not NASA, they are 100% based.
>>70990874
Yet all that happened before we started belching CO2 into the atmosphere.
A gas that gets consumed by plants, btw. :)
>>70990706
so you're saying that water is...deeper near the coasts?
Or if the ocean rises, the level of water will go up high on the coasts but only stay a tiny fraction of an inch out at sea (because averages)?
I just don't understand how the mechanism works here. Is there more gravitation towards land pulling water up on the coasts or something?
>>70990131
>warmest years on record
>out of 150 years of records
>>70982250
>el nino year
>OH MUH GOD ICE IS MELTING WHAT WILL WE DO!
Also:
>reading slate.com
>ever
>>70991108
>That's disingenuous anon. We've never seen such rapid change in human history, and never seen change driven primarily by human behaviorism.
False and false. <3
>90%+ of climate scientists
Faction, of a fraction, of a fraction of a percent of scientists that are studying such things.
Falsy falsy falsey false~ <3
Nobody believes climate change isn't real. After all, we had the ice age. climate changes. Well, maybe bible thumpers don't believe it since some of them think the earth is only 6000 years old.
The contention is whether people have caused the current warming period. Please see pic related for an illustration of the current warming period compared to previous warming periods and cooling periods. There's a little spike at the end that some people think is due solely to humans.
I also do doubt whether humans can be affecting this current climate change trend. From a purely logical standpoint, the earth's mass is 6 × 10^24 kg. That mass contains multiple living systems that work in conjunction, including climate and systems such as the ocean that affects climate.
ALL of the human biomass, including their waste and emissions, is 287 million tonnes. That sounds like a lot, but its ONLY 1 and 1/2 TRILLIONTH the mass of the earth.
That is an insanely small number. It looks like this:
0.0000000000015
That mind-bogglingly small number is the relation of human biomass to earth mass. Human biomass comprises only 1 and 1/5 TrILLIONTH of the mass of the earth.
I have a supremely hard time believing that 1 and 1/2 trillionth of ANYTHING can affect it to any noticeable degree.
>>70990706
But you are forgetting the part where a few km of coastal withdrawal isn't "the destruction of the earth". See
>>70990874
>>70991110
Right. Thats my point. Carbon emissions does have an effect on the environment, but it's negligible and might speed up a process that was going to occur slightly slower anyways.
>>70991233
Sources cited? Spamming 'false' does not make it so. You've devolved into BLM levels of non-debate.
>>70982250
>>70982780
yes the greenland ice cap is receding
however, they've found viking farms from 1000 years ago under said ice caps.
so please direct me to the historical documents stating that denmark was under water during the medieval warm period. hell, where was all the coastal flooding during the roman warm period?
>>70990842
So.... not only are you bringing up delta T to make yourself seem smart, you apparently don't even have any fucking clue what delta T is? Jesus fucking christ anon I told you to go do some research on this shit.
Let me explain:
Delta T is the change in temperature. Because the past 10 years are measurably warmer than the previous 10 years, which are measurably warmer than the 10 years before that, which are measurably warmer than the 10 years before that, delta T is positive.
What this means is that temperatures are continuing to rise.
What that means is YOU ARE A FUCKING RETARD WHO SHOULD NOT BE IN THIS CONVERSATION
Seriously, why the fuck are you still posting? I am 100% positive you have never done more than 10 minutes of research on global warming or the greenhouse effect. I guarantee you have spent more time shitposting tonight than you have learning about the topic you're shitposting about.
>>70991331
why are you using the earth's mass? it's the atmosphere that we're worried about
This is great, the north will melt and the white man can move in
Our countries are fucked, we need new territory, and the Arabs will literally burn alive
>>70982250
>One anomalous spike is above the average
Don't jump the gun now.
>>70991150
yes
and highest CO2 levels out of 1,000,000 years of ice core date
>>70991129
Dude, come on. Use your head - I know you've got one. Think volume. We're talking about billions of tons of water crashing through the coastline. Water isn't a solid, it wants to move to the flattest configuration possible. If you carefully filled up a flat baking tin with 200Ml of water and proceeded to dump that on the floor, it would make just as big a mess as pouring 200Ml of water from a cup. 1 cu. Ft of water x 1 000 000 000 000 in addition to the preexisting trillions of tons will surely devastate any coastline it touches.
>>70991108
>That's disingenuous anon. We've never seen such rapid change in human history,
We've only been directly measuring these things for the past hundred years or so. And we still don't have our measurements down. (Example: the ground temp data set is shit with a margin of error that's larger than the claimed warming and results completely out of line with the highly accurate sat temps. But that doesn't stop so called "scientists" from using it.)
>and never seen change driven primarily by human behaviorism.
Begging the question.
>I'm sorry but /pol/ will never convince me that 90%+ of climate scientists are part of a conspiracy.
Conspiracy or not, 90% of scientists can be wrong. 100% of scientists can be wrong. Einstein and most physicists of his time would have laughed at you if you claimed this universe had a beginning and was expanding. They would have called you a religious tard and claimed that SCIENCE proved you wrong.
Right up until someone observed red shift through a telescope.
So fuck off with "muh 90% of scientists!!!" Consensus has no place in science. None what so ever. A theory supported by consensus is not a scientific theory. It's a religious one.
>Especially not NASA, they are 100% based.
WTF are you talking about? NASA scientists fight all the time about AGW. James Hansen was in charge of the ground data set and claims coal cars are worse than cars carrying Jews to the holocaust. Roy Spencer was in charge of the sat data set and claims human influence is minor. They both worked for NASA for years.
Only difference is that so far Spencer's predictions have come true, and Hansen's are off in left field. According to Hansen parts of NYC should already be under water.
>>70991889
Isn't CO2 good for plants, and aren't more plants a good thing? I mean, if CO2 is so abundant, you would think that it would be great for forests, rainforests, farms, etc. because plants breathe that stuff, right?
>>70982780
>China becomes part of Atlantis
The Penguins sacrifice would not be in vein.
>>70991544
Because it's false, my little self-hating leftist. :)
>>70991889
>faked graph
>le current because we say so even though we don't have le evidence
I'm onto you, Reddit.
>>70991889
>800,000 years of data
>for a 4.5 billion year old planet
What were the levels like 15 millions years ago? 100? 500? 2 billion?
>>70982780
>Florida GONE
I am okay with this
>>70992188
Look at the graph. They added a dotted line and star because reasons.
There's no evidence to back their claims. None.
>>70982250
Please enlighten me as to how this is caused by humans
>>70988879
more accurate version: "but what if we're waste trillions of dollars on useless shit that wouldn't solve the problem even if we assumed it was 100% real?"
almost all solutions given for global climate warming change are nothing but holes that we toss money into. i don't care how much you get off to them, solar, wind, and electric cars don't do jack shit in the way of reducing pollution.
>>70991942
I would say I am using my head - water seeks its own level, right? So if the oceans rise an inch, wouldn't that mean that the average watermark on your average seawall or beach just go up an inch?
I just don't see how this one more inch leads to these catastrophes because this last inch for some reason only collects on coasts and not everywhere else in the ocean. As you said, water wants to move to the flattest configuration possible....so what's so attractive about coastline that it would pile up 40 feet there?
>>70992081
>We've only been directly measuring these things for the past hundred years or so
We have ice core data on CO2 levels over the past million years. Current CO2 levels are not only higher than at any point in the past million years, they are rising 50x faster than at any point in that span.
>>70992188
>literally no human has ever lived on a planet with conditions before then
If you're defense is literally "but the dinosaurs were alive when the earth was different so what's the big deal?" then you're a fucking idiot
We also have sediment core data going back 300 million years. It's less precise, but we are pretty sure that the rate of CO2 increase now is greater than any time in the past 300 million years. And as noted above, it's 50x faster than any point in the past million years.
Reconstructed global temperature over the past 420,000 years based on the Vostok ice core from the Antarctica.
>>70992097
probably doesn't help that plants are decreasing while CO2 is going up. Is the fact that there is more food available good for you or all the other fatties in this country
>>70992287
Oh FFS go fuck yourself
http://cdiac.ornl.gov/trends/co2/ice_core_co2.html
>>70992366
It's caused by a massive increase in GHGs. Humans are emitting massive amounts of GHGs. But I'm sure it's a coincidence right?
>>70992389
This.
If AGW theory was 100% accurate then we would need to get the entire globe...the ENTIRE globe...onto nuclear power for electricity in the next 40-50 years to even make a dent. To slow it down to near insignificance we would also have to replace the entire globe's auto fleet with EVs charged by nuclear power stations.
Do any greens advocate for this? Do any of them realize it?
Anything short of this is pissing in the wind.
>>70982780
>And Even New Zealand
And even New Zealand what?
Here's a map with an 80m sea level rise, NZ isn't going anywhere mate http://www.musther.net/nzslr/Interactive/NZ80.html
>>70991108
I never claimed there was a conspiracy. I never even claimed that carbon emissions aren't having an "effect" on the climate. I'm simply claiming that it's not going to bring about the destruction of the human race, and CERTAINLY not the destruction of the earth.
The pic I posted here >>70990874 is just an example, but even just using this we can see your claim that "we've never seen such a rapid change in human history" is utterly false. Were talking about the submersion of a landmass half the size of the continental US which took place as recent as the end of the stone age.
>>70992552
>We have ice core data on CO2 levels over the past million years.
and the margin of error is so great that CO2 lags temperature increases by hundreds to thousands of years.
the only reliable data we have for a phenomenon that spans thousands of years is from the past century.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/ice-core-data-help-solve/
>>70992552
>homonids have only been around for 800,000 years
>mammals have only been around for 800,000 years
Why am I even arguing with you.
>>70992435
Water isn't a static entity. There are many places that experience flooding seasons due to the way that water naturally circulates around the globe. The added volume of melted ice water means that said flooding seasons will be greatly intensified. Precipitation volume and frequency will increase due to there being more surface area to evaporate, since water is constantly evaporating even if exposed to air for a nanosecond. I'm not a climate scientist, I would suggest reading about the water cycle and taking a course in climatology if this is something that interests you. All you really need to know is that more liquid water, especially in the massive volumes projected in the coming years, will utterly devastate coastal areas.
>>70992748
You're the one posting doctored evidence. :)
See >>70992627
UH OH! UH OH!
>>70982250
>slate
>>70991626
Ok I'll write more thoroughly because I can tell you are getting frustrated. The question is not are we warming or not, the question is really a two part question.
1. Are we warming or not?
2. Is the amount of warming of significant enough levels that it would severely negatively effect human society.
You seem to think I am arguing over the answer to number 1, but I am arguing over the answer to number 2.
Yes we are warming and seems it is attributable to human activity.
Now that being said is the warming significant enough to worry about and affect changes to our economy that cost 100's of billions if not trillions of dollars? The answer to that is no.
Given the observed warming we've seen it looks closer to the warming profile we would expect from warming being solely based on increases in CO2 and not the other greenhouse gas postive feedpack loops predicted.
The predictions for the past 2-3 decades have looked scary, but they haven't been born out by the actual observed data. The actual data of warming doesn't look scary. Because warming based solely on CO2 emmisions is logarithmic in nature not exponential. As I stated above you need to double the concentration of CO2 to get an increase of warming of 1 degree centigrade. So if we are currently at 400 ppm CO2 we need to go to 800 ppm to get another and then from 800 ppm to 1600 ppm to get another degree after that.
That is not scary because that with increases in CO2 plants become much, much more effective in abosrbing CO2 and become a much more effective carbon sink.
Now if you want to talk about negative possibilities for ocean acidifaction due to increases in CO2 I'll listen. Because a lot of chemical reactions have very, very steep curves when it comes to K in relation to pH, and I won't even pretend we know a fraction of all the reactions that are involved in the various ecosystems in the ocean.
>>70993103
Yet when the temperatures were at the highest in human history, during the Egyptian dynastic peak, the Nile didn't bury the pyramids under 15 feet of water every year.
Oh my. What now, faggot?
Might I add that these temperatures were far higher than the projected "global climate change/warming" temps.
Oooh. You just got jacked, bitch.
>>70992552
>We have ice core data on CO2 levels over the past million years.
And scientists argue about how to interpret the data ALL THE FUCKING TIME. And even when they agree on interpretation different proxies show different things.
A proxy is not a direct observation no matter how much you wish it to be.
>Current CO2 levels are not only higher than at any point in the past million years, they are rising 50x faster than at any point in that span.
>muh big scary multiplier!
The MAXIMUM forcing for a doubling of preindustrial CO2 levels is +1.2C. This is well known and established. It's not agreed upon because of "consensus", but because it's a simple computation given the physical properties of CO2 and you would look like a God damn moron for arguing with basic lab proved physics.
The ONLY way you get more then 1.2C is if there's a major positive feedback in the system. AGW theory postulates a positive H2O feedback. No one agrees on what that feedback is. (The first clue that this is not SCIENCE because if it was backed by experiment or observation we would know the value. It's not simple like CO2 because H2O various radically with weather.) They just agree that it is and anyone who claims otherwise is a DENIER!!!
Just one little problem: the GCMs are all trending way too high. We're supposed to panic over their 100 year predictions and they were fucked just 10 years in. But if you remove the H2O amplifier? Bingo.
There is no general +H2O feedback to increasing CO2. We are in a period of natural warming mixed with CO2 warming. (IPCC attributes half of 20th century warming to nature.) Whatever temps will be in 100 years, they will be no more then about 1C higher then they otherwise would be due to CO2. (You'll never hit max because of IR band overlap with H2O.)
Now you know.
OP here, il be honest i didnt expect this thread to be so popular so heres a strawpoll if you think human activity has affects climate change significantly or not.
http://strawpoll.me/7375666
http://strawpoll.me/7375666
http://strawpoll.me/7375666
>>70988039
It was a colony of ours, but it couldn't be supplied and they died out.
>>70993498
>And scientists argue about how to interpret the data ALL THE FUCKING TIME. And even when they agree on interpretation different proxies show different things.
Yet at the drop of a hat, you're willing to jump on the anthropogenic climate change religion bandwagon without so much as a second guess.
:)
NEWSFLASH: Ice melts in the summer.
>>70993103
I'm sure some education here is in order, but I just can't logically wrap my head around how it works.
I mean, say back a few hundred years when things were colder, wouldn't we have like 40 feet less water on the coasts or something? I mean, if this mechanism works one way, it should work the other, right? Or is there something unique about this particular rise in water?
>>70993670
UH OH
UH OH
BE CAREFUL WITH THAT INFORMATION IT'S DAMAGING!
:)
>>70993670
News Flash: You make it extremely clear from your post you arent intelligent enough to understand the article. Iceland is melting a LOT faster than it ever has or has ever been predicted to melt.
>>70993785
greenland*
sorry
Wasn't Greenland warm during the Vikings' age? Why is this any different
>>70993735
The US has been losing coastline real estate due to soil erosion, not because of rising sea levels.
But to these communist lackwits, any correlation equals causation.
>>70993785
Yes because freak weather patterns never happened before industrialization. We did this. Prior to this the weather on this planet was constant and perfect.
:)
>>70993337
I will never waste my time trying to plan out sensible arguments to edgy teenagers ever again. I have learned my lesson. There's a good reason why I never debate lunatics online and I appreciate you helping to reaffirm why it's a waste of time to do this.
>what is Twyman's law
OP, Global warming is happening but this result is not a consequence of it.
>>70993856
>not because of rising sea levels.
Are you unironically stating the sea levels are not rising?
http://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/sealevel.html
>>70993498
>(You'll never hit max because of IR band overlap with H2O
Would you mind explaining this a bit? I can't recall the specific spectra off the top of my head but I thought H20 and C02 we're IR active at different frequencies largely.
>>70989975
Why? So they have a nice lake to starve to death next to?
Lawl Rhodesia
>>70982780
ADELAIDE?
>>70993824
The reason the guy finding your coast knew it wasn't Greenland (where he was going to visit his dad) was that it wasn't the frozen shithole his father had described. So it probably wasn't Spain at the time.
>>70993988
They rise and fall. But where's the calamity?
You fags are the boy that cried wolf at this point. Yet you haven't the wherewithal to realize it.
>>70991108
> We've never seen such rapid change in human history, and never seen change driven primarily by human behaviorism.
of course we didn't, human lifespan is like 80-110 years max
>>70990643
Natural causes or not the end result was hotter temps. What's your argument? The co2 isn't melting the shit its the added temperature.
>>70989096
Good, we're a big fat mess and deserve to die.
>>70982250
Explain the Medieval Warming period, please.
I'd like to hear about historical climate change and its effects on coastlines.
>>70993621
>Yet at the drop of a hat, you're willing to jump on the anthropogenic climate change religion bandwagon without so much as a second guess.
Are you even reading my posts? I'm the guy trying to point out that AGW theory has already been falsified (GCM predictions versus observed reality.)
>>70994043
>...but I thought H20 and C02 we're IR active at different frequencies largely.
http://www.randombio.com/spectra.png
http://www.meteor.iastate.edu/gccourse/forcing/images/image7.gif
>all the degenerate coastline cities sink
>massive amounts of workable soil for agriculture is now available due the the warmer temperatures
I don't see the downside from up here in Alaska.
>>70993856
I understand erosion, but you're saying these predicted catastrophic 40' attack oceans are bullshit, right?
I mean, I kind of figure as much at this point since nobody can give me a straight answer as why this 1" rise in ocean is supposed to do what it did in that video above.
I mean, I'd really like to understand it because it's pretty scary, but it's pretty hard to figure out.
>>70988691
>That is absolutely stuning. What a place to live, and to think conservatives want to destroy it.
Come on man, that is some real faggy shit.
other anon is right
>>70994845
You need to go to reddit with that or maybe instagram or a San Francisco Bath House.
>>70992081
Einstein would.of believed you. Problem was in the beginning of his career no one believed him. Even when shown le maths.
>>70982250
so.... more oceanfront property opening up then?
>>70992627
I seem to notice a trend.in the form of a wave pattern. And it isn't carrying to le current year. This tells me something. Either current models are innaccurate for prediction of future shit or the models for pre-thermometer data are innaccurate.
>>70993252
Strange question. Have algae blooms been larger in more recent years?
>>70994956
Well here's where the scare mongering comes in. See, that video above describes what would happen if ALL of the ice melted. Not this 1" shit.
>>70995233
>Einstein would.of believed you. Problem was in the beginning of his career no one believed him. Even when shown le maths.
LOL! Einstein didn't believe his own theory and added a constant to make it compatible with a steady universe. It was only upon learning of red shift that he realized his theory was right and the universe was expanding from a starting point.
He mentioned it as one of the greatest mistakes he ever made. He predicted the Big Bang and discarded the prediction as 'obviously' wrong.
There is no consensus in science. No 90% of scientists or even 100%. There's theory, prediction, observation. That's all.
>>70996058
I know. It's fun to ask simple questions in earnest and watch the Chicken Littles fall flat on their face.
Guess he got tired of answering my questions ;_;
>>70994757
>Explain the Medieval Warming period, please.
Simple.
> Flatten the past.
> Exaggerate the 20th century.
> Hide the decline.
> ???
> PROFIT!!!
>>70996179
Thank fuck for that fanboy astronomer too.
>>70982250
>all that prime fertile ground just waiting to be unfrozen
>not to mention natural resources almost completely unspoiled by the industrial age
Looks like Denmark is going back on the relevant countries list
>>70996332
Thank fuck he wasn't in the modern era observing something at odds with a cherished liberal theory like global warming or rayciss.
>DENIER!
>CORPORATE SHILL!
>PLANET HATER!
>POLAR BEAR MURDERER!
>>70996530
Great. Now the Muslims will have more resources!
>>70996270
Also keep in mind that a news agency reporting "some shit is happening and it all that bad" fails to attract viewers. But reporting "ABSOLUTE.WORST CASE SCENARIO!! STICK YOUR HEADS BETWEEN YOUR KNEES AND KISS YOUR ASSES GOODBYE!! WE'RE ALL FUCKED AND ITS YOUR FAULTS!!" gets people in with fear and keeps em in with guilt. Basically the left's overall strategy.
>>70982250
Global Warmism
the "hindsight" science
seems to explain things really well
can't predict shit
if it can't predict it ain't real science
>>70996547
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/apr/14/bill-nye-open-criminal-charges-jail-time-climate-c/
...because scientific debate means throwing people in jail who don't agree with you...?
>>70982780
>entire east and west coasts drowned
I can't wait
>>70996609
Denmark has some of the strongest anti-immigration policies in Europe. Only reason we have problems is because our we have both Germany and Sweden as neighbors
>>70996806
That just means we move to your state. Hope you like liberals!
>All these people obsessed with climate change
>No one concerned with pollution of water, air, or soil
>>70996547
So wait tho...has the left become the Catholic church a la Inquisition era?
Gal: hey guys. Seems to me we actually aren't the astronomical center of the anything. Here is my proof...
Regr Left: BURN THE HERETIC!!
Prominent classical liberal beloved by liberals: hey guys. Islam seems to be a psychotic death cult.
Regr Left: BEHEAD THIS RACIST **PHOBIC **IST WHO INSULTS ISLAM!!
>>70996742
Yet another reason to hate that two bit fuck.
>>70996996
>pollution of water, air, or soil
climate change isnt just a warming temperature, im pretty sure i mentioned pollution atleast once ITT.
Iv been to China so iv seen 1st hand just how horrible smog and pollution can get. Like its fucking disgusting.
>>70996900
how can you move when you're dead?
>>70997106
>So wait tho...has the left become the Catholic church a la Inquisition era?
Yes.
>>70997280
We've come full circle then. Liberals crucifying people for not being progressive enough
>>70997106
Welcome to the future
>>70997280
How do they not make this comparison?
>>70996996
This. The obsession with climate change destroys any net good from environmentalism.
>>70997206
Are you threatening me? I need teepee for my bunghole.
>>70982250
OH FUCK OP ICE IS MELTING WHEN IT GETS HOT OUTSIDE
WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO
>>70992389
>drilling for less oil =! fewer oil spills
?
>>70997770
"Like" pictures of sad polar bears on Facebook, duh.
>>70997854
True, but mining for heavy metals for your car's batteries is just as much a disaster.
>>70997854
Do you know the magical energy source that will replace oil? Do tell.
But how high will the sea need to rise to drown Mecca?
>>70982780
>Africa gets fucked
>Hollywood gets fucked
>New York Gets Fucked
>Miami Gets Fucked
>Middle East Gets Fucked
LET THE FLOODS COME
BTW they said LA would be flooded by 1997 and it still there.
>>70985213
Data suggest that the oceans are warming. That'll result in sea level rise. Google warming oceans and sea level rise.
Perhaps not now, but by the end of this century this world will be radically different - provided that we don't do anything to abate climate change.
>>70985213
>>70988606
The regressive left has been worrying about Global warming since 1865. They said we would all be dead by the 1970's in the 1930's.
In the 1970's they said we would be dead by 2000, still here.
They also have been complaining about global population since 1798. WE ARE STILL HERE.
Literally they were running around in the 1960's at 2.9 Billion saying we were out of food and needed to start mass culling s. We are now at 7.4 Billion AND WE ARE STILL HERE.
>>70991108
>I'm sorry but /pol/ will never convince me that 90%+ of climate scientists are part of a conspiracy
its not a conspiracy, its just accepting to the consensus because you fear the consequences of going against it AND you can profit from it! Its very human really.
There are countless NGOs who are willing to pay good money for supporting a theory that fits their agenda, man-made global warming can be used to justify almost every point on the leftist utopia checklist, just listen to them! They got no shame using this to demand more control over EVERYTHING, they dont even hide the fact they want a world-government to "ensure humanity's survival" and even openly talk about how democracy is a hindrance to fight CO2 emissions! If CO2 emissions got an influence on global temperature, how large that influence is and what the consequences would really be doesnt matter, its useful so they will fight tooth and nail for it.
>>70990881
Fund this.
>>70998287
just read up on the entire club of rome and the limits of growth thing for a more recent example.
they already did 2 "updates" to their predictions and people still act like they are on to something.
>>70982780
Implying coast lines of every continent weren't miles away from where they are now 30,000 years ago at the last ice age.
>>70998671
yep im actually making a video on it right now for red pilling.
Prove that it's anthropogenic.
>>70999364
Study the geologic record.
>>70982250
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>>70999744
Basically the "you have to just take my word for it because Science - you agree with Science right?" version of "look it up".
How will the record prove that changes in atmospheric temperature are anthropogenic?
