What does /pol/ think of inheritance tax?
>>70942541
All money would be funnelled into business.
The poor would never inherit anything.
>>70942541
>tax his income
>tax his salary
>tax his investments
>tax his estates
>tax his purchases
>still have money left over that you want to give to your family after you're dead
>tax that shit too
the american dream.
>>70942541
It's bullshit and should be done away with.
>>70942853
>everything is taxed
>still no free education or healthcare
I think it's disgusting, taxing stupid shit people buy is one thing but if you're trying to pass money to your children so they can have a better life than you the government should leave you the fuck alone.
>>70942541
literal communism
Should be pretty much the only tax there is, and it should be high as fuck. Only niggers and good-for-nothings would bitch at that while self-made men wouldn't be affected by it.
>>70942541
Absolutely necessary, but should only be applied above certain sums.
>>70942541
there's a reason why those who have enough to worry about it don't
it also allegedly is supposed to prevent your country from slipping back into oligarchy and feudalism but i think they found another way
>>70943108
>getting taxed for money you didn't make
only sweden would think it's a good thing
Yes, it's fine.
Be civilized.
>>70942541
Why does he look fake and disgusting?
>>70942541
Old money is cancer. I fully support inheritance taxes, these people need to stop being fucking leeches.
>>70942541
institutionalized robbery by the same motherfuckers who appears in the Panama Papers
It's pretty useless considering you can cheat around it. It's not clear to me why you should be taxed twice in the first place.
punishes trying to care for your children and should be eliminated
>>70943108
Sweden tier answer.
The whole point of becoming a self made man, unless you're a hedonist or nihilist, is to provide for the next generation. To give them an easier time than you had.
Its exactly the lack of concern demonstrated in your post for the next generation that has fucked up black people.
>>70942541
kinda off topic but I always wondered how civilization would look like if inheritance was abolished altogether and every single person had to start with the same amount of resources
>>70942541
As long as it's a universal amount it seems fair enough.
Is probably the most disgusting tax we have.
They are literally taxing everything a man was able to save after already being taxed on everything he earned.
It's disgusting and kikes like warren buffet love the shit out of it because it allows him to acquire businesses in a fire sale.
>>70942541
>the government should be involved in a parent giving money to their heirs
It's also double tax.
Get fucked.
>>70942541
It's a disgrace that you're taxed your whole life and even in death you're taxed. If somehow growth was high and income tax was enough to sustain everything it should be done away with along with property taxes.
>>70943393
anarchy>gangs>monarchy>oligarchy>democracy
It's the only non-regressive tax so it is more fair in many ways than other taxes but in some countries it's horribly implemented.
>>70942977
>>70942853
rekt
>>70942943
why?
>>70942991
>but if you're trying to pass money to your children so they can have a better life
I'm not talking about 100% inheritance tax
>>70943511
Income tax doesn't pay for anything anyway. Haven't even had it for 100 years and we were so prosperous before that parasitic bullshit that the rest of the world was worried we would get out of control and be more prosperous than they were.
>>70942802
/thread
>>70942541
Non bis in idem
it's morally wrong.
that said, the US has a high exemption ($5MM) so it only affects a small % of people, most of whom can afford the methods to avoid the tax.
>>70942541
Inheritance tax is there to make sure the rootless goyim cattle reset each generation to prevent them ever being anything more than to toil in the fields. Almost all socialism has hefty tax in this way, oy vey!!!
>>70942541
Liquid assets should be subject to an inheritance tax in order to encourage participation in the market. Other forms of inheritance should be left alone.
Taxation is theft.
>>70942541
kike scam
>>70943773
>in order to encourage participation in the market.
Maybe if people had money to spend and things they wanted to buy they'd participate in the market more.
>>70943120
I agree with you.
>>70943228
Do you like her more?
>>70943305
Tax evasion is not that hard to combat. It his needed is political will
>>70943773
And then you'd see mad conversion of liquid assets into non liquid, like real estate.
>>70942853
But very few American actually get hit by estate taxes.
You make it seem like the average Joe is getting it but actually the American estate tax is maybe the only tax that only hits rich people.
>>70943492
I support taxing but only starting in x sum. For example, if a father leaves his children 50k dolars, that money would not be touched, or taxed very lightly. But rich fucks that leave milions and millions should be taxed
>>70943871
>piercings
Hell no. Belly buttons have other uses,
>>70943871
>Tax evasion is not that hard to combat.
The financial innovators will never stop innovating, and it pays better than government. Heck, if they didn't innovate extra-hard then the legal department wouldn't have anything to do and couldn't make money off making money off crime.
It's a fight that needs to be fought of course, but the people in the in-club will always operate outside of the system.
>>70944034
Why ever become rich, then?
>>70943511
>It's a disgrace that you're taxed your whole life and even in death you're taxed.
muh fee fees!!!11
>>70943596
You are tired of Trump and Bernie?
Back to Africa, nigger.
You thieving commies are going to hang from the highest branch when the day of the rope comes.
I think it's shit, farmers should inherit their Parents farm! Plus the shir was already taxed!
>>70943988
You're an idiot.
Say a farmer owns a farm worth 10 million. Farmer dies and his kids are hit with a $2.5 million inheritance tax. How the fuck do you think they pay for that? Oh yeah, they sell the family farm in a fire sale for a shit price and are left with nothing.
Mean while some rich kike just bought a $10 million farm for $4 million.
Now do you see the fucking problem, you dumbass mother fucker?
>>70942541
It needs to go away forever.
>>70943663
>namefag
>>70943751
>it's morally wrong.
In my opinion is the least morally ambiguos tax. You are taxed for money you didn't have a hand in. It's much more easily to justify.
>>70942977
Nothing is free, but everything is more expensive when run by a government bureaucracy.
>>70942541
>What does /pol/ think of inheritance tax?
Why does the govt get to tax money earned two or more times? How does that even make sense to idiots like yourself?
>hurf durf that money was taxed when it was earned but now the person who we taxed is dead and he left the money to his next of kin, I have a great idea Schlomo my old friend, lets tax it again.
Yeah, thats real retarded.
>>70942541
>lefty /pol/
get the fuck out you fucking traitor scum.
>>70942541
Seeing how triggered people here get when they find out I have more money than they'll earn in the next decade and was given a house for my birthday, I'd say they probably should support it
(Or stop crying that people like me dont have to work unless we want to)
>>70944264
How do you know a man's family didn't support him, love him, and encourage him to succeed. You're a disgusting piece of shit. Who the fuck are you to decide what to do with another man's wealth. People like you should be gased.
>>70944264
>entire family don't help to gain that money
>>70944264
>implying the government is has a right to it
>>70944264
Fucking braindead communist motherfucker this is why we are going to shit. Taxation is theft.
>>70942541
Fuck them.
It's not government's money, it's ours.
>>70943046
well maybe you should stop killing Jesus then Schlomo
>>70944034
Well crimes more than 20 dollars in 1850 to the present day require a criminal trial, so how long until 50k is equal to the 50 bucks? For that shit!
As someone that's going to be hit heavily by it (receiving side), I'm not saying it shouldn't exist, but the current level is ridiculous and what Bernie proposes is even more ridiculous. A lot of people bust their ass to not only provide for themselves but for their family and others, and to take a substantial portion of this income (That has already been subject to income and potentially other taxes) as another tax at death is bad.
(The person who will be giving me this money upon death is ideologically opposed to it as a self made man who built himself from the ground up).
I think it's a dumb populist tax created because the plebs think it fucks over the rich.
Pro tip - it doesn't.
They should get rid of income tax and just have a big death tax and if you have no spouse or kids the state takes ownership of your stuff
It's theft.
>>70942541
Higher inheritance taxes really just fuel more creative estate structuring on the part of the super-rich. I'm against inheritance taxes on the middle class. If you want to stick it to the rich, tax luxury goods, domestic servants, things like that.
>>70944186
>Now do you see the fucking problem, you dumbass mother fucker?
Not really.
What makes a farm so special compared to any other business worth $10M? Nothing. Cry me a river.
>>70944102
>It's a fight that needs to be fought of course, but the people in the in-club will always operate outside of the system.
Because they are allowed. There are many very intelligent people that work for the state. If we gave them tools and allowed them to pursue, they could catch the corrupts.
>>70944123
If inheritance tax is at 50%, 5 millions is better then 10.
>>70944215
>thanks for the (you)
>>70944612
Irrevocable trusts help substantially in minimizing estate tax. I'm not an accountant/financial advisor so I don't know all of the other tricks.
>>70944186
This
>>70942541
It's a good thing, if for no other reason than it stops dynasties from accruing to much money.
>>70944710
So you're ok with people getting screwed out of their family businesses and letting mega rich kikes get even richer through said family's suffering?
Yes all netherniggers deserve to go to death camps
>>70944273
That's false though. Both public health care and public run education are much cheaper and also more cost efficient than private alternatives.
>>70944730
Dude they have the tools. When the too big to fail banks got out of line, and stole way more from anybody than any inheritance tax ever could, AG Eric Holder announced in public that he would never prosecute them and they could do whatever they wanted to keep the game going.
Why didn't he just invoke some RICO and clean house? He had the tools.
>>70942541
>inheritance tax
Only dumb people have to pay it.
inheritance is the greatest poverty eliminator there is.
There should be no inheritance tax. Keep the money in the hands of citizens, who will put it to good use.
>>70942541
The only thing that should never be taxed, it is basically stealing the dead.
The worst thing is I already heard cucks say here that the state should take all you goods at your death to "redistribute wealth" because apparently it is disgusting to transmit the carefully managed possession that you gained by hardwork to your bloodline.
I almost puked on his disgusting leftist nu-male look.
>>70944281
>I have a great idea Schlomo my old friend, lets tax it again. ~
Jews have the most to loose you retard. Jews relly on nepotism.
>>70944310
And go to where?
>>70944351
What did your father did?
>>70944390
>How do you know a man's family didn't support him, love him, and encourage him to succeed.
So? Stop thinking with your fee fees. And i don't support a 100% inheritance tax.
>Who the fuck are you to decide what to do with another man's wealth.
And who the fuck is a boss to decide if a man family will have food on the table?
This is not a fee fee thread. You now very well that "leftists" and "liberals" win in fee fees contests
>>70944835
Now I realize that I am talking to a truly retarded person. Sorry that you were dropped on your head as a child.
>>70944920
>Only dumb people have to pay it.
>Only poor people have to pay it
Fixed that for you
>>70944814
Sorry, but I feel a bit torn here.
I WANT to feel sympathy for the upper middle class and I empathise with them.
BUT god dammit if they don't always side with the rich to screw us over when it comes down to it.
>>70942541
its theft
>>70945052
>Jews have the most to loose you retard. Jews relly on nepotism.
It is rely firstly. Secondly, they have nothing to lose because their pets are richer than you will ever be. It is like you dont know anything about tax evasion but you're sure your death tax idea will work because it works in your head.
>>70944391
So do the employes. Should they get a piece of the pie?
>>70944400
>Muh taxation is theft
>>70944415
I'm not commie, but thanks for the (you)
Se chupares piroca de americano suficientement bem, serás como eles um dia. Vai e sê feliz amigo ;)
>>70945054
Sorry it's not my fault if you cannot see what is patently false just because Fox News told you otherwise.
Numbers don't lie faggot.
>>70944783
Gifts, David Cameron got a big one recently from his mom.
If she doesn't kick the bucket in the next 7 years he will pay non of that big nasty tax on it.
(he did pay regular tax on it though)
>>70945213
>So do the employes. Should they get a piece of the pie?
And they get it, it's called salary moron.
>>70944584
And it would be updated one day when inflation will be high enough. Literally a non-issue
>>70944597
>a guy that as to loose with it is oposed
gee
>>70944281
They only tax it because they are in position of force, I'm not a libertarian but this tax is pure racket.
>>70942541
If your smart enough rich enough, inheritance taxes are easily avoidable. You could have your old man spend all his money on gold bars leave you a treasure map and no government could do shit.
>>70945435
>And it would be updated one day when inflation will be high enough
That might be nice, but they don't even report inflation correctly, let alone adjust for it.
Oh your food and your energy? The things you give away most of your slave wages for? Oh, no, those don't count as inflation. Oh, you bought the gound chuck because you can't afford a steak anymore? Oh, no, that doesn't count a inflation because you're still spending the same amount. Oh, we can't estimate the workforce right so we just rig it with a birth/death ratio? That doesn't count as inflation.
>family home passed down through the generations since the 1200s
>Beautiful Grade 1 listed house set within 90+ acres of land, with additional arable land adjacent
>Grandfather finally inherits it...
>...and is slapped with so much inheritance tax he's forced to first sell the arable land, then the house itself
>mfw centuries of family history is now owned by a yuppie hedgefund manager who bagged it on the cheap
I think this is how a lot of old-money families meet their fate.
>>70944814
I'm not ok with working man that die while working, of women who scrub toilets to make ends met. I don't care nor will i feel pity of boys that got a BMW for 18th bithday.
>>70944887
Because they are corrupt. High ranking officials should have their persnal finances completely public.
>>70942541
its against the nature of biological life
Do you guys only care about money?
>>70945615
They could and they would.
You don't think people have tried tbat shit before?
>>70945054
The dutch is completely correct. Compare heath indicators of UK, France, Germany to US and then check out spending per capita.
>>70943237
How are they leeches?
>>70945711
>Because they are corrupt. High ranking officials should have their persnal finances completely public.
I'm not prepared to debate whether or not that should be the case, but what I would say is that making a difference on the corruption problem should come first, and then we can take a fresh look at things and maybe debate whatever tax.
>>70945830
Now check out cancer survival rates you commie scum.
Don't ever reply to me again.
>>70942541
It's theft, duh.
>>70942977
>implying any european country has free anything
You realize we have, on average, 20% higher income tax than the Yanks, right? And higher VAT too.
>>70943773
Apparently printing 80 billion euros a month hasnt made any EU citizens want to borrow any more. So that wont work.
>>70944186
Very much this. I stand to inherit 1.5 million in assets, with a 600k mortgage on them. I have to pay 60k in inheritance tax, only to get a mortgage at 3%, on top of the one I already have.
So I either sell or get nothing. Fuck inheritance tax. I want to keep my family home.
>>70945711
Working man that die while working should have made better life decisions.
Keep your fee fees out of it you hypocritical nigger.
>>70945201
> tax evasion
Tax evasion can be combated, and it's not that hard. It lacks political will to do it. Nothing else.
>>70945430
A peice of the inheritance, not the salary.
>>70942541
>wahh I just want to be a trust baby but the inheritance taxes mean I can only live half my life on inheritance
who gives a shit about rich people?
the only ones that should be excluded are the ones with assets that provide a low return (like the farmer that someone mentioned)
otherwise, just give them a decent period (like a decade or more) to pay the taxes so you don't have to liquidate your assets quickly and for huge losses
>>70945615
Kek, you think government will not know that he spent all his money in gold just before dying ?
You can't avoid this tax, the only good thing to do is to make progressive donations to your heirs after the age of 70.
>>70945931
go to hell, blue blood
>>70944835
You are aware Dutch healthcare is entirely privatized, and only regulated by the state, I hope? And we're one of the cheapest around. Jij kanker mongool.
>Entire thread is shat up by gibsmedat from Gibsmedat: The Country
kek
>>70945679
I am supposed to feel bad of "noble" inherited faggots?
>>70943393
>Yugoslavia wants to know what communism is like.
>>70945986
>no guise really, the govt deserves to tax money multiple times
No one save useful idiots and the jealous poor will agree with your retarded ideas. I dont really understand how you types get through life living with such grandiose delusions.
>>70945986
Yeah, and 7 virgins too
>>70942541
Inheritance should be taxed more than money earned with hard work.
Hell, everything should be taxed more than earnings from work.
>>70944034
Nothing more than envious spite. That mentality is why you're Poortugal.
>>70946061
There are also life insurance plans that will cover the cost of the inheritance tax. The premiums are like 50k per year and gifted to the heirs. For the person paying the insurance premiums it's a terrible investment, but it saves the kids from getting fucked in the ass by the government.
>>70946096
>we're one of the cheapest around.
LOL no.
We're one of the most expensive.
>>70946240
Used to be you'd only pay a tax at the market. Now you get the entire New World Order trying to shut you down if you suggest we should tax trade among nations.
>>70945900
http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/cause-of-death/all-cancers/by-country/
Not impressive the american one.
>>70945896
I do agree with you, corruption must be battled.
>>70945977
nothing else i need to know about you. Go see a psychologist if you are not a teen. You may have severe psychological problems
>>70943108
You sure are fucking stupid, considering everything humans do is instinctually to provide better chances for our offspring than we had.
You want to stop evolution. Not surprising considering your demi-human immigration policies.
>>70945711
>I don't care nor will i feel pity of boys that got a BMW for 18th bithday.
You think a farm worth 1o million has the kind of money to give their kids a BMW? You dont understand small business. You have to pay taxes over that property of 10 million every year. You have to pay taxes over profit. You have to pay VAT over purchasing raw materials. You have to pay salaries.
Small businesses (under 50 million in the Ned) are generally in heavy debt, or make so little money they barely even make the equivalent of average wage yearly.
Ignorant, Greedy, fucking commies.
>>70946117
Why are you being so hostile, my friend? I was born two years after the family wealth dried up. I'm working class scum; just like your fine self :^)
>>70946466
If you elect me God Emperor I will only tax consumption.
>>70945900
A study that ended in 1999 with a difference of 2 years, what a killing argument.
Public healthcare is more efficient, that one the few rare thing that work in a Socialism.
The only person who will contest that must be an insurance shill.
>>70946329
Portuguese are a greedy people mate. And envious too.
>>70946145
lolbertarians are not welcome here. This is a big boy talk here
>>70946240
>verdien je geld
>spaar meer dan 25,000 piek
>bam, 4% belasting daarop
>geef die 25k aan je kinderen
>bam nogmaals 7% erover heen
Because the money people leave to their kids hasnt been earned with hard work or anything.
>>70946382
Je bent echt een idioot.
Check the numbers on the cost of the NHS or Swedish healthcare. Much, much higher than our costs.
>>70946701
Good.
Everybody should be working to make a living.
Not leech off their ancestors.
>>70946717
>Public healthcare is more efficient
>The govt is known for making systems more streamlined, efficient and cheap.
wewlad
>>70946762
>big boy talk
>talking about stealing the wealth of others out of sheer jealously
>big boy
No, you are a jealous child that cant stand to see people who are better off than yourself so you justify your govt supported theft in whatever manner you want.
>>70946810
>the money people leave to their kids hasnt been earned with hard work or anything.
It's not the parent who pay the tax.
It's the children.
And the children did fuck all to "earn" that money.
>>70946717
Our system is cheaper and better than yours. And is entirely privatized. The only thing the government does is implement price caps.
Shoo shoo, commie.
>>70946762
>Portuguese are a greedy people mate.
You arent even smart enough to understand inflation. You are literally too stupid to be greedy.
Eu sei porque eu operei um negócio no teu paÃs por anos. A tua populacão é genuinamente retardada.
>>70944730
Why not just get rid of families? Every child should be given to adoption and be reeducated in the local Kommunist brainwash schools where they would learn that the only honorable thing to do is to be a slave for the state and spend the rest of your life picking potatoes in exchange for a bread a day.
Kill yourself communist shit and keep your hands out of other people's pockets. TAXATION IS THEFT.
>>70942541
Inheritance taxes are just the government stealing from the corpses of the dead against their Will.
It's disgusting however way you look at it as if they have a right to that property. No, they fucking don't.
>work hard
>earn income
>income is taxed
>give some of the remaining Money to your son
>it gets taxed again
I'm 100% going to fuck over the state any way I can when it comes to giving money and assets to my kids.
The State has taxed my income once, you won't tax it again you fucking incometent leeches.
Leftist cucks are proposing increasing the inheritence tax to pay for refugee houses.
The Money I'm saving for my kids will be given over my cold dead body.
>>70946713
First thing you would have to do as God Emperor would be to nationalize the Federal Reserve under the War Powers Act, and then pay for government operations through the interest they charge on the money they lend out.
We're literally paying fucking taxes on the money itself. It's ridiculous.
>>70942541
Retarded gibsmedat
>let's punish so and so because their father/mother were successful
>>70946614
>Small businesses (under 50 million in the Ned) are generally in heavy debt, or make so little money they barely even make the equivalent of average wage yearly.
They should have made better life decisions ;)
>>70946701
There are many people here that are supposed to make me feel bad about rich fags that won0t inherit all their daddy wealth that they didn't work for.
>>70946810
>>70944186
farmer joe should have talked to an estate lawyer and passed the deed to his farm onto his kids years ago
>>70943663
It doesn't need to be 100%, that's the ugly part of it. Last saturday an acquaintance died. He owned a Harley Davidson store where he worked for 35 years. His two sons work in the store and help manage the place.
Guess what, thanks to the 20% death tax, the business has to shut down. The sons can't afford to take over. Now think about the agriculture sector, which currently operates at a LOSS. Not only do they lose their homes and farms, they also have nothing to show for it.
BUT WAIT, IT GETS WORSE: Stock is taxed at value of the moment of death. This means if your beneficiary dies a week before a major stock plummet, you can actually end up in DEBT. Yeah. That's why it's best not to be retarded about these matters. Convert all your valuables to gold, store it away and then just hand it to your kids. No middle man, no taxes, no bullshit, no poverty.
>>70947049
Can't do.
Even the God Emperor has to bow to the Jews, sorry.
>>70946989
What rank is your hospital in netherlands.....
http://hospitals.webometrics.info/en/world
I'll help you look, Oh vey, your healthcare system so good you have 4 hospitals in top 100.
America slaughters the world on providing the best healthcare.
If it wasn't for Capitalism, you fucks would still be in the stoneage of medicine.
income tax is unamerican.
The americans should have violently overthrown their gov for not abolishing the income tax.
Its as big a deal as freedom of speech or the right to bear arms.
>>70946989
És aquele uqe trabalhou naquele hotel da Figueira da Foz? Tás com saudades das nossas praias?
>>70946999
>Why not just get rid of families?
Lol, arguing like a retard
>>70947026
It's the kids that pay the tax
>>70947038
You worked hard. But your son didn't. So why should he inherit everythingg?
>>70942541
It exists to cover people passing property without paying tax on gains.
Close that hole and you can get rid of it.
>>70946982
I fucking do. Its my money. I get to choose what to do with it, whether that is to use it to light up cigars or give it my kids. The government has no business in it. It already taxes my income, taxed my purchases, and taxed my savings. Now it gets to tax my death?
And for the record, I worked in my parents business from 9 years old, carrying cement to literally build it. Worked there untill I was 18 and could work on my own.
But I dont deserve a dime of that, according to you filthy socialists. Krijg toch lekker kanker.
Guess I'll just skip your dirty socialist taxes with "gifts" to my kids. I wont let them be brough to the edge of bankruptcy like I was when I inherited from my parents and had to pay huge tansaction costs, mortgages and taxes.
>>70942541
More importantly, what does /pol/ think of north african tripfags?
>>70947406
One time the actual military tried to peacefully protest outside the White House over a money thing. They got shot.
>>70947150
>Muh free markets are more better guise!!!!!111!!!!1!11111!11!
>>70947150
>per capita
>zegt ook maar iets over kosten of kwaliteit
Je bent echt dom.
Do you think just because Portugal is cheaper, they provide better healthcare than us? Or the USA? Come on retard.
The average dutchie pays 100 bucks a month. I know from experience you pay far more than that in Portugal, because Insurance is absolute shit there.
>>70947123
>They should have made better life decisions ;)
Like not start a business and never employ people, leaving even more people unemployed in poverty.
Socialist solutions, everyone!
>>70947513
>I get to choose what to do with it, whether that is to use it to light up cigars or give it my kids.
If you buy cigars the cigar shop owner has to pay taxes over it.
So why shouldn't your lazy kids?
>>70946982
By that logic, women should not get anything out of a divorce either. They didn't earn that money.
>>70947485
>You worked hard. But your son didn't. So why should he inherit everythingg?
First of all I worked hard so it's for me to decide what I do with my Money.
The people own the State, the state dont own the people, never forget that.
The whole purpose of life is to reproduce your genes into New humans and give them the best circumstances to reproduce and raise the next generation along with increasing their quality of life.
Fuck you, fuck everyone in society. I'm working hard so that MY GENETICS and MY FAMILY Can get a better start to lige, not your children.
>>70947194
And all this for what? So we can have "free" healthcare. In reality our "free" healthcare is a shot in the dark and if you want to make sure that you don't go blind from a simple knee surgery you are better off acquiring insurance and having assured quality treatment. Socialism is a failure.
>>70947771
If you pay the lawyer tax, you can buy a prenup that protects you from divorce court.
>>70945960
I'm against the idea of inheritance taxes but seriously if you can't slap together $60k for $900k in equity you have no business trying to maintain $1.5m in real estate.
Rather than wait for them to die I purchased my parent's house and the one next to theirs. They live for free and help me by keeping an eye on the rental next door. Avoid messy inheritance issues down the road and they don't have to worry.
The pic attached I just took from my balcony. Property in my wife's family for 3 generations. Doing the same thing here.
Some of our neighbors avoid inheritance issues by selling their homes to other family members for $1. These are $1.5-$4m homes.
>>70947533
I am Portuguese. I admit i may look a little North African if i tan but i honestly don't give a fuck. I am not white, i am Iberian
>>70947735
I was being ironic, but sure, he should abolish inheritance tax because one guy in /pol/ mentioned that a store had to close.
But banks should be left to their devices even after 08 when they made "some" stores close
>>70947485
Não. Eu sou dono de uma companhia agrÃcola em Portugal.
>>70947690
They sure are cheaper for everyone, and are more innovative.
Take Cuba: sure, its better in healthcare than most. But to achieve that, it has to tax the entire Island into poverty, and its stuck in the 80s in terms of technology.
>>70945960
Correct me if I'm wrong but inheritance tax doesn't kick in until 5 millions. Those are regular taxes your paying friendo.
>>70947735
>Je bent echt dom.
>Do you think just because Portugal is cheaper, they provide better healthcare than us? Or the USA? Come on retard.
>The average dutchie pays 100 bucks a month. I know from experience you pay far more than that in Portugal, because Insurance is absolute shit there.
Damage control, kek. But according to you, Dutch healthcare should be exponentially better. Is it?
>>70947735
>le moving goal posts.
You claimed our healthcare was CHEAP.
Then you got BTFO by statistics.
I never made any claims on quality.
>The average dutchie pays 100 bucks a month.
That's only a fraction of the actual expense.
Employers and the government pay the rest.
>>70947771
>By that logic, women should not get anything out of a divorce either. They didn't earn that money.
Fully agree 100%
>>70944415
>In my opinion is the least morally ambiguos tax. You are taxed for money you didn't have a hand in. It's much more easily to justify.
I know right. Motherfucking commies ruining our country.
>>70947771
>women should not get anything out of a divorce either.
If they didn't own anything, no, they shouldn't get anything. Only alimonies if they had kids
>>70947822
>First of all I worked hard so it's for me to decide what I do with my Money.
And your kids will get the money, just not all.
>The people own the State, the state dont own the people, never forget that.
Of course.
>>70947879
Our healthcare is pretty good
>>70947746
>lazy kids
You missed the part where I worked 9 years from childhood for my parents, right? My kids have done the same thing.
GTFO thief. Wanting me and my kids to go years and years uncompensated for labour.
>>70947956
>because one guy in /pol/ mentioned that a store had to close.
It happens pretty frequently, mate. 60% of people who inherit business end up having to close. Because businesses, generally, tend to run in debt, or on a very, very fine line of profit. Only Multinationals can afford to take hits like 7% of assets going in taxes.
And multinationals arent subject to inheritance tax, mate.
You want to tax the rich, but all you do is tax small business and the middle class to death. Its all you fucking commies ever do.
>>70947914
>Some of our neighbors avoid inheritance issues by selling their homes to other family members for $1.
Enjoy paying sale tax over the value of your home.
>>70948287
>alimonies if they had kids
Why?
Fathers should be allowed to take care of the kids.
Why always give the kids to the mothers and then expect the fathers to pay for never being allowed to see them?
Braga started, bye.
>>70947485
Tu és um atrasadinho mental de primeira que não percebe o quão destrutivo o comunismo foi em Portugal e no mundo. Felizmente só tivemos um cheirinho e lá nos safámos pedinchando dinheiro aos mauzões capitalistas europeus. Burro do caralho, a natureza de um imposto desses é um ataque directo à união familiar e se há coisa que este paÃs precisa é de destruir ainda mais a coesão familiar não é? Burro do caralho.
BARBOSA.........
>>70947513
>>70947822
It isn't what you want, it's your money in the first place but it is better for the country as a whole - if it wasn't for inheritance tax there would be higher taxes on everyone else. If you have the money you should pay your part whether you want to or not. Stop being greedy and realise that there other people in the world rather than just yourself.
>>70942541
It's just a way to keep fucking the middle class. The rich can recoup losses meanwhile the middle class family that barely managed to pay off their house will have to sell it to pay off the tax applied or just be out money.
>>70948037
In the USA, yes. Not here. You pay inheritance tax over anything voer 25k.
>>70948089
>>70948079
I explained why it was more expensive in Portugal. Sure, you dont pay premiums in portugal, and in return you get shit. I had to get knee surgery in Portugal once, and it took 3 months and cost me 12,000 euros.
>>70948287
>just not all
Why? Why should inheritance be taxed?
>>70948373
>I worked 9 years from childhood for my parents, right?
So you're an employee?
That will be 42% income tax instead 10%-20% inheritance tax then.
.....now you see why I think this system is unfair?
>>70948287
>our healthcare is pretty good
XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
http://www.tvi24.iol.pt/sociedade/camas-hospitais/condicoes-indignas-nas-urgencias-dos-hospitais-publicos
It's MARVELOUS... Meanwhile if you pay for healthcare insurance maybe you will leave with both arms after your knee surgery...
>>70948575
No... the reason for inheritance tax, 23% VAT, 52% income tax and 25% coporate tax is because the state is incredibly wasteful and expensive.
We send over 10 billion to the EU every year. Several billion to Africa. 1 in 17 Dutch people are government employed bureaucrats, some of whom are in a department of 6 people to administer sidewalks (recent scandal) i.e. doing fuck all.
The only reason for the likes of inheritance tax is because the government spends money like a crack addicted whore.
>>70948575
>Stop being greedy
>Stop being greedy
>Stop being greedy
>Stop being greedy
>it is better for the country as a whole
>you should pay
>you should pay
>you should pay
>Stop being greedy
:DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
>>70948575
I give away 10% of my net income, and not necessarily to government-designated """charities""" and I'm not even rich.
Think how much more I could give away or otherwise contribute to the velocity of money if it weren't being taxed away from me so Jew bankers could get richer.
Your father died goy? Better pay up!
>>70948813
No, because I worked for my parents. So no wages.
The system is unfair because there are welfare leeches and an excessively expensive government. No other reason.
>>70948876
He's a communist. Can't even argue with faggots like him.
>>70945881
they leeched during slavery and colonialism/imperialism, and then have been living off of real state and developments.
>>70942541
Its something butthurt poor people want because their parents were incapable of putting any money into investments.
>>70942853
>work all your life to make money for the state
>the state prints money for free
>>70948472
Typical fucking barbosa
This is the fucking cesspool of retardation i have to deal with in a daily basis
Today i went to a doctor appointment in a private hospital and there was some sort of gipsy or something there and when they called him his last name was fucking Barbosa I almost choked when I heard it
Can we just remove flags already?
>>70949019
There are like 3 or 4 fortunes that go that far back. Every family gets a retard sometime who squanders the money.
But lets' tax everyone, from self made men to the poor, when they die. They must pay for slavery. Sins of the father, goy!
>>70942541
i couldn't give a fuck what people are texed for just for receiving shit just for existing. Im a 1099 and get assfuked by taxes from money i fucking earn so niggers can eat for free.
>>70942541
Titties
>>70948988
>I worked for my parents. So no wages.
You're just a tax dodger.
You should be getting a wage and pay up to 52% tax.
> booohooohooo I cheated the system but still have to pay 10%
- every tax dodging leech ever.
>>70948767
Because it gives an unfair wealth aggregate to a certain small percentage of people born into lucky lottery instead of working hard.
Andrew Carnegie one of the most bootstrappy millionaires ever was for inheritance tax after his nemesis JP Morgan harassed him for decades using his family wealth. Buffet, Gates, anyone who clawed their way up and built their own business is for the inheritance tax. Inheritance completely negates capitalisms philosophy that talent generates wealth.
>>70942541
Aren't there loop holes wby just having assets in a trust and then change management of a trust so that you can use your inheritance without actually having inherited anything to avoid the tax man?
>>70949484
Yup. Just have to pay the lawyer tax.
>>70949381
>cheated the system
>by working for my parents for free, knowing I would inherit my labour eventually
>now you get to pay and basically receive nothing for your labour
Je kan er vergif er op innemen dat ik belasting ga ontduiken, al is het alleen maar om uitkeringstrekkers zoals jij niet te hoeven betalen.
Godverdomme niks toevoegen aan de maatschappij, andermans geld jatten, en dan klagen dat je nog niet genoeg kaddo krijgt. Tuig.
>>70942541
Already taxed on that shit when they were alive.
The rich would simply leave the country. Or they would also stop investing and just go on ridiculous spending sprees.
>>70949484
You have to pay tax over all assets, not just cash money.
It's probably quite easy to commit fraud.
ie: pretend your trust is worth far less than it's actually worth.
But that's not a loophole, that's a crime.
>>70948373
Sales tax on $1m in real estate here = $4,560
Estate tax on $1m in real estate = $33,3200
>>70949896
>basically receive nothing for your labour
You're getting 80-90%
I'm getting only 68% for my labor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTubnl79DRo
>>70950014
Right but if the money is in a trust, who ever manages the trust changes, that way you never actually had money change hands thus avoiding further tax
>>70944063
They have literally no use. Unless your dick is that small it fits in there I guess
Anything under 2 million tax free.
Anything over 1 million taxed the fuck out of it.
America was founded to get away from monarchy. Billionaire oligarchs are just monarchs by another name.
>>70948439
My next door neighbor pays alimony to her ex husband. $10k/month.
Guy is living the sweet life.
>>70950812
>in order to reduce the power of government, we are going to expand the ability of government to take things from its citizens
If you want to flush money out of the savings piles of the upper class, there are much better ways to do so.
How exactly do everyday Americans benefit from Bill Gates' family becoming $50 billion poorer?
>>70951318
This is why I'm never getting married.
>>70950175
>here
Very nice. Here it's 12% over the value of the house.
>>70950205
Where did you get those numbers from, your ass? Im getting fuck all, I almost went bankrupt inheriting my parents business and property. I pay 25% tax on any profit I make, have to pay salaries, have to invest in the business, have to pay a mortgage. I make a profit maybe 4 months out of the year. The rest is a loss or just barely a break even.
You dont know shit about small business, moron.
>Im getting 68%
There is no 32% tax bracket in the Netherlands. There is 36,8%, higher, or nothing. You unemployed little liar.
>>70951435
I used to say the same thing. Then I met a woman who earned more than me and had significantly more familial wealth.
>>70943663
It's not 100% but a 30-40% tax on top of everything else is ridiculous.
>>70942541
>your employer pays taxes
>employer pays your salary
>you pay income taxes
>put money in bank account
>pay more taxes on capital
Then, after all those steps of taxation, you die and the government swoops in and taxes you again.
PS: enjoy getting taxed some more when you actually spend your money, like VAT.
Not to mention that it completely fucks over the middle to lower classes, because if the money is in a business you can usually defer taxation to keep the business running (giving you more capital -> more earnings).
>>70951457
>Where did you get those numbers from, your ass?
>http://www.belastingdienst.nl/wps/wcm/connect/bldcontentnl/belastingdienst/prive/relatie_familie_en_gezondheid/erven/erfenis_krijgen/hoeveel_erfbelasting_moet_u_betalen/
>I almost went bankrupt inheriting
>get shitloads of money
>go bankrupt.
Maybe next time don't spend it all in one go.
Sorry I don't feel sorry for your entitled rich kids ass.
I actually work for my money, at a real boss who demands I put in real hard work.
>>70951457
>>Im getting 68%
>There is no 32% tax bracket in the Netherlands.
Sorry, meant 58%
ie: I'm paying 42% tax.
I'm tired after working my ass off all day, sorry.
>>70943108
Hur vrickad får man riktit vara?
>mommy has about $3M in long term stocks
>will end up splitting it with my two sisters
Does it matter that it's in stocks or anything?
Never really considered the taxes, only "capital gains tax" which I think would happen if I tried to sell the stocks
>>70952587
>Does it matter that it's in stocks or anything?
No.
>>70946717
I'd rather have a private room. Sorry. You will never convince me that government controlled health care is better. Never.
>>70943237
youre a full blown moron if you think inheritance taxes help break up big fortunes. even if you tax that shit you're still have a huge chunk of capital left to work with. In the Netherlands children are taxed 20% for large inheritances. That means that over the course of 20 years you'd only a return of around 1.1% a year to make back that 20% in taxes, and 4.7% return to double your initial inheritance.
Not to mention that if you have a business you can usually defer taxation, giving you even more capital to work with. Meanwhile in the middle class its next to impossible to build actual capital due to all the tax pressure.
>>70942541
It's an anti kulak tax that destroys farms, ranchers, and other such peoples
>>70947183
Still would be subjected to UNIFIED gift/estate tax you fucking embecile.
>>70949483
The vast majority of millionaire+ are first generation wealthy. The majority of their wealth is lost in the next two generations. Contrary to what you greedy fucks think, you actually have to put in effort to maintain wealth. It is not as simple as just sitting back and vacationing.
As for Carnegie and Morgan, that wouldn't be a problem if the government wasn't installing barriers to entry on behalf of rich backers.
>>70952270
>get shitloads of money
>600k mortgage, 200k debts, have to pay ~500k taxes
>business is valued at ~7 million
>completely non liquid, all in bricks and mortar and assets
I didnt inherit money, moron. I could have sold the place and kept some money. But then I would have no business. I almost went under because I wanted to try and keep the business.
People who inherit small business arent rich, you moron.
Zal het voor je in het Nederlands herhalen: het merendeel van het MKB houd zo weinig over aan het eind van het jaar, dat de gemiddelde winst onder het bruto nationaal inkomen van 36k licht. Idioot.
>>70949483
>lucky lottery
Your existence is deterministic lad
>>70952270
>real hard work
As I have always told my emplpyees and managers that work for me, EVERYONE works hard.
It's true, we can all point to someone else who seems to work less hard, and therefore in our minds we REALLY WORK HARD.
But you're collecting a paycheck for that work. You might work hard but you aren't working 80 hours a week with the potential to have less money in your bank account after, are you?
And why not? Because collecting a paycheck is the safe bet to take. Because working 80 hours a week and maybe making no money, well that sounds like hard work.
>>70953145
That's why kikes like warren buffet, soros, love it, they can buy your family business at a huge discount because of the estate tax
>>70942541
inheritance taxes are the definition of jewery. The government needs to fuck off when it comes inheritance. No one should be punished for leaving money behind to better the lives of their family.
>>70946982
>And the children did fuck all to "earn" that money.
the most retarded argument ever in favor of taxation
if the guy you're taxing didn't earn it, then why does youssef get to keep his government handout? If anything he probably earned it way less as children do at least offer some use, like doing dishes or whatever, or making dad work late because he loves them and wants to provide for them.
>>70942853
This. At some point, we should be able to say "this shit is mine!" and do whatever we want with it.
>>70942541
I wish that Slovene anon had posted more of her, she is so damn fine.
>>70953145
>BOOOHOOHOO I only have 7 million in assets.
>I'm so poor
Kill yourself, I'm serious.
Government funding is a piggy bank for private sources that do not benefit me at all.
So anytime you ask "Should we steal more of your money?" my answer will always be no.
>>70953782
>le epic if you're not a multi millionaire you must be a welfare queen meme
I have a job.
I pay 42% income tax. - and that's a lot more than you entitled little brats ever have to pay.
>>70942541
The equivalent of grave robbing
They use to hang people for it, but I guess if it's the government doing it it's okay
>>70954163
In assets, yes. In theory. Over which I have to pay WOZ waarde every year. Over which I make hardly any profit.
I keep the business because I want to continue a legacy and like to help people by employing them.
Guess it would have been better if I had just sold it, put 10 people into unemployment, and dump 5 million on the bank to live off the rent? (Not even 5 million either. You'd never get full price selling at such short notice).
Communists defending the working class everybody: better to put 10 people out of a job so you can tax people, than let those filthy rich bastards get away with their scheming.
>>70954437
I pay 25% over my profit. I pay 50% over my employees wages. I pay 23% VAT on the raw materials I need.
I pay way, way more taxes than you. Whether percentage wise or total contributions.
Yet you still want to take a bite off whatever I give to my kids. Goddamn thief.
>>70954437
enjoy having your income taxed again after your death to pay for sharia for NL voting headscarves who don't work.
Just in case you still don't understand, inheritance tax mostly prevents people from building NEW capital over the generations. It does fuck all to actually break down established capital, as you can usually a. pay a good tax lawyer to help avoid part of those taxes b. have a high enough return % to earn back what you were taxed before you pass it on. Couple that with very high income tax, and it's nearly impossible to acquire capital through normal work, much less pass it on to your children.
source: worked as a criminal tax lawyer
>>70942541
Theft
>>70947038
>you won't tax it again
Dane pls
>works
>pays taxes once
>spends money on food
>taxed
>spends money on cigarettes/alcohol
>taxed
>spends money on different fees (estate)
>taxed
>drive on the road
>taxed
>own a car
>taxed
>>70942541
This comes down to the fundamental left/right divide: Should society correct for the fact that everyone does not begin life on equal footing?
Childhood is not a meritocracy; people are born into good or bad situations. To an extent, the state already tries to enforce children's basic rights by forcing parents to provide a basic level of care and safety.
However, when this is insufficient due to the parents being delinquent, deceased, or deficient in some other way, the innocent child is left wanting. Are they entitled to state protection? Childhood is not a meritocracy; children are dependent up to a certain age.
Everyone except the anarchists would agree that the state should collect taxes to provide basic law enforcement in order to protect its citizens from malicious or negligent people. Would this protection extend to injustices perpetrated by parents, or by people of the past?
If the state were to level the playing field for children, taxing inheritance would be the perfect way to pay for it.
I'm undecided, so tell me what you think.
There is no reason to believe that inheritance tax will stop at the highest earners in the long term, income tax didn't, both through inflation and legislation the limit will continuously go down with time and affect more people, the end result being more people becoming dependent of the state and more easily controllable, it is also a major negative incentive for saving and is likely to weaken family relations.
>>70954853
this is the endgoal for them though:
no one should have any assets
every financial asset, every considerable fortune should belong to the banks or the state:
the Jews
this is the only reason people would support this. Capital, estate is dead matter until you make profit with it. Any normal human being would just tax the income to redistribute it a bit and help the dummies through life if they can't go on on their own.
It's not the best, but it's understandable.
But now you have these puppets, these mindless drones who will attack anyone with savings, with "wealth" in the name of equality, but guess what.
These dogs can bark at anyone, but the Moon. If you are a Rotschild, a Soros, someone who wields actual power, or some kike-behind-the-curtain you made it.
No one can so no one will try to bring you down. Only those who could threaten your position. The dumb slaves will do everything to ensure no one threatens the rule of the True Masters.
Truly pathetic display. Old falansterists, old commies used be about workers' councils, getting the factories, the assets into the hands of those who actually use it. Then the kikes corrupted the whole thing into a dumb gibsmedat philosophy.
Absolutely revolting. If you're a leftist, you're nothing, but a tool in the hands of the international capitalist kike agenda. Killing yourself is the only way you can actually serve human equality and progress.
>>70942541
Inheritance tax is capitalistic, therefor I approve. Those who inherit money, gain power over the market without proof of their abilities. Anyone who agrees with capitalism and disagrees with inheritance tax (or straight up monetary recollection (and money != wealth)) is either not a capitalist, ignorant, or believes religiously. All such people can fuck off.
>>70957444
There are pros and cons to the inheritance tax, the pro obvious is more money for the government to fund early childhood care to help install some parity that you desire. The con is some family could use the money of their dead family to deal with expenses in their own lives would not get as much.
Now the realist perspective is the Inheritance tax should only affect the wealthy. (I.E. you have over a million dollars.) For the most part a person doesn't need a million dollars to live comfortably, and one would be able to reasonably assume that a wealthy family utilized their resources effectively and already have a leg up in society so they should give back some to help others have a chance since they weren't born on equal footing.
>>70961675
Inheritance tax inflicts against the freedom of the individual to make voluntary exchanges and his property rights, you know the actual basis of capitalism, stoping creating false definitions to support your shit ideology.
>>70954163
>I'm so poor
Literally FAILING to understand the basic difference between "income" and "assets".
I live hand to mouth. I work, run my own business and own (outright) a few properties which I rent out.
By the time I've covered maintenance, paid my taxes/rates/bills I've got enough for food pretty much.
>Kill yourself, I'm serious.
Why not stop being a whiny little bitch and do something about bettering YOUR situation if you aren't happy about it?
>>70960366
This, the neverending cycle of increasing government budget which invariable ends up resulting in higher public debt and to higher interest payments, has a distribution of wealth effect indeed, it redistributes wealth from society at large to the bankers and money lenders, I don't even truly believe in a jewish conspiracy but this is as clear as day for anyone with half a brain.
>>70962725
No it does not impede. Said individual is dead. It only impedes those who would take money for personal gain without proof they will reinvest that money in a way to improve the general welfare the populace.
People gain money on the market by creating products that make the lives of the consumer easier or more fulfilling, otherwise they would make no money. Once capitalists have money to invest, they invest in only that which makes them richer. Because their profit is tied to their ability to make products that improve the lives of the consumer their power exists because they have proved themselves on the market. Capitalism leverages self-interest to improve the livelihood of it's constituents. That's why it's so lovely.
Allowing money (not assests) to be passed around with proof the receiver being competent in the market is against the spirit of capitalism. Just because two people are related and one is a profitable capitalist doesn't mean the other is as well. It is the same trap that make hereditary monarchies so shitty.
>>70949483
>Because it gives an unfair wealth aggregate to a certain small percentage of people born into lucky lottery instead of working hard.
Those that inherit money are able to do so because their parents and grandparents put in that hard work.
Generations of old people sacrificed their lives to guarantee their children grew up comfortable.
Generations of worthless millennials are upset because they're faggots born of faggots who's parents decided they'd rather spend every dime on Nintendo games instead of investing to make sure their offspring lived in comfort.
Nothing stops you from raising your children to understand how money and investing works, living frugally, and investing every dime into their future... except malignant narcissism, and the whole never breeding thing.
You're a fucking failure to society who has contributed nothing, bitter about those that have, and want to wreck other people's toys like a spoiled child. ie. a modern liberal.
>>70964566
What a bitter retard.
>You're a dirty 'millennial'. Oooh take that.
>It's parent's job to give money to their kids you entitled narcissistic spoiled child.
This shit writes itself.
>>70944063
What do you use your belly button for?
>>70964566
>Generations of worthless millennials are upset because they're faggots born of faggots who's parents decided they'd rather spend every dime on Nintendo games instead of investing to make sure their offspring lived in comfort.
>Nothing stops you from raising your children to understand how money and investing works, living frugally, and investing every dime into their future... except malignant narcissism, and the whole never breeding thing.
/thread
>>70943108
Whats the point of being self made if you can't send your money, that you earned, to the next generation?
Stupid idea with way too many ways to get around it.
>>70963905
>It only impedes those who would take money for personal gain without proof they will reinvest that money in a way to improve the general welfare the populace.
nothing that goes agains the definition of capitalism
>People gain money on the market by creating products that make the lives of the consumer easier or more fulfilling
nope, people gain money by catering to the subjective preferences of the consumers, no actual fulfilment of an objective need is required.
It is no the practical merits of the individual that determines if his wealth is morally just or not, it is the voluntary nature of the practices that brought the wealth, the fact that capitalism also tends to lead to higher devlopment is a happy side effect.
>Allowing money (not assests)
Making this distinction is not only arbitrary but it also completely defeats your Inheritance theft scheme, people will just convert their money into assets as they grow older, to prevent this will you wouild have to increase the state control of wealth to extent that would kill the capitalist nature of the system.
>>70947383
>netherlands has 17 million people and is one of the smallest countries in europe
>only 4 hospitals are gud hurr durr
>>70966064
>people gain money by catering to the subjective preferences of the consumers
You are just reworking what I said and are telling me it's wrong.
>It is no the practical merits of the individual that determines if his wealth is morally just or not.
Morally? No, I never said that. It's not about morality it's about the "happy side effect". If not for the happy side effect we would have thrown the system to the curb long ago. The ends justify the means. You are just saying what I'm saying again.
Making this distinction is not only arbitrary
>arbitrary
You don't know shit. There is a VAST divide between assets and money. And thank god, our monetary system wouldn't be what it is today without it.
Bullshit. Same with pension tax. It's post-tax earnings.
