Why ukraine hate russia?
They're russian rapebabies 2bh
>>70932790
Because Russia is shit
why russia dont like ukraine?
why poland dont like russia?
>>70933319
communism
Here is the answer my polish friend.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
>>70933389
nice meme
>>70933609
Is it a lie? I just googled "Ukraine genocide" since the soviets liked to genocide every minority they could find.
>>70932790
Generally because of imperialism. Currently because of invading and wedindunothing hypocricy
Also are that smart pole who sees opportunities, not butthurt cause in Ukraine from recent Poland thread is here?
>>70934680
wat
>>70933052
They believe we are not a nation, but rebels. Ones like yanks would see Dixies if Lincoln would have no balls in 1861.
>>70934844
He will get I'm about him, if he is here. Or is it you?
>>70932790
>USSR days, russia supplies ukraine with gas and other resources to keep them in the union
>1991, soviet union collapses
>ukraine still expecting free shit from russia
>russia sais no you guys are an independant nation now you have to take care of your selves
>ukraine is like WOOOW you guys are assholes gibs us free shed
>hate russians
True story.
>>70935000
Oh, it's probably me. But it's okay, I'm pro ukrainian in this thread :^)
>>70933748
Soviets liked to genocide only native Russians
>>70935084
This
>>70935156
I just wanted to say in that thread - intermarium idea is very popular in Kiev, so Poland should dare obviously. EU is dieing and we tend tu it just to get rid of russkie, only meme butthurt belt understand what its all about.
You just have to deal your banderahurt Ukraine need nationalism to stand against Russia, we can't abolish it right know, and Band era is the only relevant happening of fighting for nationhood in the past.
>>70932790
Coz they don't want to be a vassal state to a fucked up and failing country any more?
Kremlin plz stop having a crying fit that your former serfs don't want to suck your increasingly rotten and broken dick any more.
>>70935979
rare
>>>70935783
>fighting for nationhood in the past.
By killing polish and belorussian womans and childrens
Nice kind of fighting
We always love Russia, until they invaided Crimea and started war in my hometown - Donetsk.
like WTF Russia, why you invaded Donetsk?
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>>70933389
It's funny because bolshevik leaders were jews from Ukraine.
>>70932790
>ukraine
...
>>70936905
>why you invaded Donetsk?
Gibe us territory.
>>70936648
See this? Ruskie always will do this, as splitting Poland and uke is vital to get Ukraine back. Be smarter than that.
>>70937063
>It's funny because bolshevik leaders were jews from Ukraine
Lenin was TATARish.
>>70936905
But RT tells me that it wasn't Russia, it was you guys rebelling against the neo-nazi fascist junta coup government in Kiev?
Are you saying they lied?
>>70937256
> as splitting Poland and uke is vital to get Ukraine back
Poland will get western Ukraine, just wait lel.
>>70937256
LoL
Just lol
>>70937256
wolyn1943.eu.interiowo.pl/artykuly.html
russia, why you dont destroy ukraine?
Nobody give a fuck
>>70933052
The reason is because Ukraine, Georgia are white, and mongrel Russians Jews are hateful of that.
>>70937464
>russia, why you dont destroy ukraine?
Cause this was done by western Ukraine not eastern part, that's your job.
>>70937530
>Canada
>white
>>70937334
>>70937346
Stop pretending as if it isn't the truth
>>70937334
Its amazingly fun to read this hohol imaginarium fantasies. "Plz polish overlord take me back, because i don love my russian overlord anymore. I promise i would be good swineherd at this time, i forgive how ur ancestors enslave my and you must forgive my for wolyn massacres and shit tons of rebels"
Pathetic hohols, two-faced animals
History always repiting herself
>hohol butthurt
Because Russia is pretty shit in CS:GO.
The greatest players in the CIS region come from Slovakia and Ukraine.
>>70937628
>mfw I am Russian exile
Let me guess, Russia stronk? From the outside it is much easier to see how Jewish you are.
>>70935979
ooga booga where da white wimins at
>>70932790
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volodymyr_Groysman
They're Jews.
>>70937651
>Stop pretending as if it isn't the truth
You could get western Ukraine anytime, we will probably grab some eastern parts. Everybody will be happy.
>>70937780
>Pathetic hohols, two-faced animals
History always repiting herself
That would be not our problem anymore, so it'll work just fine.
>>70933609
>polish flag
is your leader still butt hurt obama broke the 4th wall and mentioned the polish death camps.
ooops.
>>70937815
>Russian exile
>Ukraine diaspora over here
Гpязнaя нeвepнaя cвинья, cкopo нaши бpaтья дoбepyтcя дo вaшeй мepзкoй пидapcкoй Кaнaды.
> how Jewish you are.
Still better than being future nigger.
>>70938074
what a fucking retard xD
>>70934940
Why do we hate Ukraine?
>>70938182
>what a fucking retard xD
Polans best ally xDDDD
>>70938268
Wołyń
Russia is the biggest exporter of USSR communist ideology in eastern Europe in form of Imperialism.
>>70938376
chciałem żeby kozak odpowiedział.
>>70934940
But you are not a real country Ukraine, you are just Russia v3.0
>>70932790
>ukraine
there is no such thing
>>70938317
what
>>70935979
why didn't you kept the superior flag?
>>70938638
Sigh, just forget it.
>>70937783
Suddenly, thread is 78% concentrated Russian one, lol. Russian and russianboos are raged with us. Strong and mighty Putin can't swallow even such pathetic meme country. Myth of mighty Russia fails just there. Let's bomb sandnigers, immediately!
>>70935084
>>70935476
Glancing over the fact that their property and equipment was stolen by the commies even worse than the socialists in Europe today? Likely with the aim of depopulation at that, only the Ukrainian Jews still wish to accept handouts from Russia
The Jews are fucking over Ukraine but they have fucked Russia even harder
>>70937861
I don't think that Poland would make benefit out of any kind of fight with another nation. So no, Lwów will come back to us eventually but we don't need to have any pacts with Russkies.
Daily reminder to all Poles:
Stop falling for Ivan's divide&conquer tactics and antagonising Ukraine. They are our natural ally at the moment. Think about it.
Germany is basically comitting a suicide right now via immigrants, and Russia suffers economically from sanctions and low oil prices. Their weakness was always our strength.
So instead of turning Ukrainians against us, like mindless nationalist retards want, we should rather think geopolitically, "befriend" them, take them under our wings and buy them out, like Germans did to us in '89. Then do the same thing to Belarus.
We should also keep good relations with V4 and Baltic states. Also, stay in EU as long as it exists to feed on its money and economically block Russia, but deny all the dumb regulations and neomarxist laws the'd try to force on us. These must be our main geopolitical goals for the next two decades.
Commonwealth shall rise once again.
>inb4 b-but muh Wołyń
Most of Ukrainians don't even hate the Poland, we are seen mostly positively in there. The only ones ancestors of whom are responsible for Wołyń are western Ukrainians, but they are MINORITY. Central and eastern Ukrainians had nothing in common with that.
>Inb4 b-but they praise Bandera
Jobbik in Hungary praises Nazi collaborating hungarian government, still won't stop most of you from calling Hungarians our "bros".
>>70938876
>take in 30k rapefugees
>only like 500 ukrainians
well done gooberment
>>70939293
>I don't think that Poland would make benefit out of any kind of fight with another nation
Referendum
> Lwów will come back to us eventually but we don't need to have any pacts with Russkies
Pretty please?
>>70939301
>Central and eastern Ukrainians had nothing in common with Poland
fix for you.
>>70939532
>had nothing in common with Poland
Until today.
>>70939416
tbqh i would be fine making a pact with russians but only if russia was equal to us not a gigantic moloch it is today
>>70939604
>Until today.
Until what particular day?
There is no point in getting western Ukraine back. It's full of Ukrainians and you can't just move the whole population like in 1945.
>>70934940
So, did the fact that Ukraine was a part of the Commonwealth have any effect on this sense of distinction from Russia in Ukraine? Just who would have thought that Ukraine would rebel against Moscow. I'd rather expect Ruthenia to be a one area
>>70939645
Start from yourself. Gain mass , poland
>>70939301
It's fucking easy man.
If we go to a war with Ukraine, we will get friendly """"""""""""help"""""""""" from our NATO allies and lose all the relevancy we ever had.
All we need to do is wait for Russia to annex all they want and then we should offer Ukraine help with chasing them away.
Then we might even offer them to unite as one country so they can benefit from the Schengen (if it doesn't cease to exist) and European Union (if it doesn't cease to exist)
It's the only way to go, going to a war with them is what the world wants, let's fuck the zionists and make friends instead of making enemies
>>70932790
>Why ukraine hate russia?
google the 1930's famine.
>>70939645
>i would be fine making a pact with russians but only if russia was equal
Russia were always cucked by westerns, russians would be pretty happy as EQUALs.
>>70939301
You do know Ukraine has a worse economy than Russia ever could, right?
Hi. Im just lurking to see the east Ukrainian chick show up and post pics.
Have a bump.
>>70939795
Google what means "meme"
>>70939416
Ukraine are brainwashed enough to start terrorists attacks once we take any of their land.
I meant that we can either be relevant or stop existing in the next century, making friends with russians is the second way through
>>70939782
Chyba mnie nie zrozumiałes.
Nie chodzi o to, żeby isc na wojnę z Ukraińcami, tylko wykupić ich tak, jak Niemcy nas w '89.
>>70939821
Indeed. Everything there is cheap, and this is EXACTLY what makes it a perfect target for our economical conquest - and add the fact that they are cutting ties with Russia, their biggest trade partner so far.
>>70939999
>Ukraine are brainwashed enough to start terrorists attacks once we take any of their land.
Nah they cucks, if you claim it yours they would be opressed and happy with that.
>I meant that we can either be relevant or stop existing in the next century, making friends with russians is the second way through
Now it wouldn't work, probably, our establishment is literally american cucks.
>>70939999
>Ukraine are brainwashed enough to start terrorists attacks once we take any of their land.
Nah, we've already taken a lot of their land and nothing happened.
>>70940125
>poland
>economical conquest
If you remain in the EU anything you do will get you bad favors with the other members. Plus you mentioned not existing being a part of allying with russia, it's the exact same thing with the EU
![1460648601785[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/5oU5L97.jpg "1460648601785[1].jpg")
>>70932790
Oh and I noticed something is wrong with the map
Took the liberty of fixing that for you friend
>>70940125
Zrozumiałem, to nie była argumentacja, tylko "followup". W pełni się zgadzam, trzeba ich wykupić nawet nie pieniędzmi, ale obietnicami.
Dostaną wpierdol od Rosjan i to nie jest temat do dyskusji, chodzi o tym że po tym "wpierdolu" najlepsza dla nich oferta może wyjsc z Polski.
>>70940282
>If you remain in the EU anything you do will get you bad favors
EU wants weak Russia, why would they give a crap about out investments in Ukraine.
Besides they are a bunch of cucks without any kind of power over us.
>Plus you mentioned not existing being a part of allying with russia
I want the exact opposite thing - keep Russia as weak as possible.
>>70932790
Russia is trying to force Ukraine to remain its vassal state by waging war there eating as much territories in the process as possible. Whether Russia has any "right" to do so is completely irrelevant. Those Ukrainians who have strong national identity (most of the Western Ukraine) blame Russia for the ongoing war. Other Ukrainians (most of Eastern Ukraine) put the blame on Ukraine for deciding to break up with Russia.
>>70940545
Yes the EU does want a weak russia but it also wants weak members, including poland. The only members the EU wants to actually help are france UK and Germany.
The rest it would rather have weak so they have no say in the internal EU politics
>>70940206
>>70940265
You know, they might as well notice that their stability has not been ruined entirely by Russians but also by Americans. These two are too strong for Ukraine so they might as well want to discharge their frustration somewhere else. They already have some territorial claims towards us so why not?
>>70940653
>Those Ukrainians who have strong national identity .
Thats a main thing they totally lose it , thats why they become "ukrainians"
Every slav in ukraine is russian or pole. The "native ukrainians" is fucking cumans and cremean tatars with chubs on their heads
>>70940720
Well, as I said, with the current migrant crisis, it would soon have no power over anything anyway. We shouldn't be afraid of it.
>>70940930
Stop being butthurt already, Ivan. This is our clay now, not yours. Deal with it.
>>70940964
The end goal of the EU isn't just weakening you, it wants a European nation . I would have assumed you poles would learn about not getting into unions that fuck you over and help the bigger guy
>>70940839
>You know, they might as well notice that their stability has not been ruined entirely by Russians but also by Americans.
But not Poles, don't you get it?
>These two are too strong for Ukraine so they might as well want to discharge their frustration somewhere else
Ahem, kill more eastern ukrainians?
> They already have some territorial claims towards us so why not?
That's a meme claims like Kuriles islands?
>>70941042
Dont start discussiom about claims , Wlad, just dont
>>70940930
Western Ukrainians consider themselves Ukrainians, whether you like it or not. And they are willing to protect their national identity, as you can see.
>>70941326
You lost Ukraine, pham, and you lost it shamefully. You got wrath of entire civilized word on your heads for stealing Crimea, and even worse, you entangled yourself into years-lasting conflict in mainland Ukraine which will cost you money, resources and human lifes.
Just accept your defeat and move along. Bashing Ukrainians on the internet won't heal the wounds.
>>70941408
Western ukrainians can do what ever they want, no body gives a shit. They can consider themself even the martians. Western ukraine is a shithole without production and resourses (besides Lwow) . Nobody gives a shit about this eternal rebels, pain in the polish ass , and then in the russian
>>70941113
Well, I know that perfectly. The point I'm making entire time is: EU is too weak to actually force any of their bullshit on us, and it will be weakening every day as the immigrant crisis grows.
>>70941214
>But not Poles, don't you get it?
We were literally a western wassal for the last 10 years. I wouldn't be surprised if someone, either Russia or USA manipulated them towards thinking that we are the enemies, Russian news even talked how evil Poland wants to rebuild the Commonwealth with no care for the poor Ukrainians.
>That's a meme claims like Kuriles islands?
Andrij Tarasenko, Ukrainian right wing spokesman said that we should give them "Przemysl and over a dozen other counties"
>>70941619
Yeah ukraine is usa vassal now. But i dont get why u so happy? U are usa vassal too
>>70941619
Polebro, don't let your bias show too much, no matter what way you slice this this is a victory for russia in the end of the day, they got crimea albeit with sanctions and entangled their enemy in a long lasting conflict that took over their largest producing regions in their country.
>>70941754
If you think poland can stand up to even a weak EU you are dreaming.
>>70939729
Of course it is. Magdeburg right, self govrrnance and other obviously western stuff.
>>70941772
>Russian news even talked how evil Poland wants to rebuild the Commonwealth with no care for the poor Ukrainians.
Like this is only meme
> I wouldn't be surprised if someone, either Russia or USA manipulated them towards thinking that we are the enemies
Western ukrainians wouldn't do shit, really.
>Andrij Tarasenko
>Nazi memetic shizopreniac
>Ukrainian right wing spokesman
Remove it.
>>70939301
>Jobbik in Hungary praises Nazi collaborating hungarian government
AAAAAAAAA
Now you fucking trigerred me you rotten piece of smelling shit.
Hungarian goverment despite collaborating with nazis actually refused to take any hostile action against Poland. That's right, they basically told their allies to go fuck themselves. Meanwhile ukrainians were used by the nazis like dogs, and not only they massacred civilians, they are actually proud of it. They base their whole national identity on being Hitler's servants. So don't even try to ompare those two nations you degenerate son of a cheap ukrainian whore.
>>70941898
>U are usa vassal too
Sure buddy, these evil American opressors forced me to eat 5 burgers just yesterday.
>>70941900
>this is a victory for russia in the end of the day, they got crimea
Which was an autonomy with large military base before the crisis even started, and now their economy is suffering seriously from sanctions and low oil prices
>and entangled their enemy in a long lasting conflict
More like: desperately threw their army to save at least a small scrap of mainland Ukraine for themselves, while losing all the rest.
If you count that as "victory", then I guess you'd declare Taiwan a victor of Chinese civil war as well.
>If you think poland can stand up to even a weak EU you are dreaming
Well, we already did. All that happened was some bitching in EU parliament and that's all.
>>70932790
polskie bro wouldn't you be mad if someone knew (in this case) that your country, your language, your culture is all made up? thought so...
>>70935979
RARE
>>70941963
So why did Ukraine join Moscow? Does it mean that Ukraine might change its mind and rebel turn to Moscow again?
>>70942351
Uspokój się autysto.
Did you know that Hungarian "bros" also took part in pacification of Warsaw Uprising?
>Meanwhile ukrainians were used by the nazis like dogs, and not only they massacred civilians, they are actually proud of it
Read my post again. Not "Ukrainians" but a small bunch of those living in the west. And no, none of them is proud of that today, they simply don't talk about it.
And also, more about Hungarians - Orban is playing our great "friend" in front of us, but also openly sucks Putin's cock behind our back. Remember how he was praised here for being "based" and telling MFW to fuck off? Well, that's because he took loans from Russia in exchange, and he's on their lesh now.
There are no "friends" in politics - just interests. Understand that.
>>70942384
>desperately threw their army to save at least a small scrap of mainland Ukraine for themselves
Nice friend, you seem uneducated on the conflict.
Russia did not send a large portion of their army in and the rebels/russians have achieved severely weakened the ukranian economy. Yes the russian economy was also weakened but you have to look at the long game. With reforms and time the russian wounds will heal, the ukranian economy will be much harder to fix with their two largest production regions gone.
They also do not seem to want Donetsk to join them, they are going for a South ossetia type situation in ukraine so they can put pressure on an anti russian government and maintain some form of control to limit the Ukrainian governments self interests which are mainly aligning more with nato and the EU
>>70941898
They're small countries, they would be under an influence of some bigger country anyway. It's better to be under the one who is advanced and developed. Russia, unfortunately, is shit in comparison to the USA. Also Poland is in the EU and it's much easier for them to turn ignition of the tractor on, and they do: there're loads of Poles emigrate to the UK with no efforts in comparison to Russian. To move to the UK you can't be just a toilet cleaner like a Pole, you should have skills, a university degree and a paying well job in the UK.
>>70942780
I don't care, and I'm careful when it comes to friendship in politics but your comparison was as stupid as an average member of your poor family.
>Did you know that Hungarian "bros" also took part in pacification of Warsaw Uprising?
Yes, I know. That wasn't the point.
>Orban is playing our great "friend" in front of us, but also openly sucks Putin's cock behind our back
So what, is it forbiden to be on friendly terms with Poland and Russia at the same time?
Orban is actually on of the few politicians who are actively trying to make the V4 something more than just a social club, unlike those cuck who (in their own words) "suck off american cock", and which undoubtedly are your idols.
And this part
>Not "Ukrainians" but a small bunch of those living in the west. And no, none of them is proud of that today, they simply don't talk about it
clearly tells me that you are either some shitty hohol living in Poland, in which case kindly fuck off, or a simpleton with little understanding beyond what TV tells him.
And why should it love it?
Cheeki Breeki rebyat
>>70942785
>With reforms and time the russian wounds will heal
Nothing implies that, really. Sanctions are going to stay until Russia occupies these territories, and the ruble is declining every day.
And my point is: they lost entire Ukraine, just like Baltic states in '89. All they're fighting for now is some scraps and will to take "revenge" on their former colony, while severely hurting themselves in the process as well.
>>70933386
typical fucking burger thinking that 100 years is a long time and that's history is made out of.
Russia came out on top in Eastern Europe. However it could have been Poland just as easily
>>70943566
>Nothing implies that
Basic economics and logit imply that. Listen pole bro, I'm not saying Ukraine can't heal either, it will just be harder.
Russia has to just really push reforms to get them off of oil dependency and start stronger trade ties with iran and china, It's not going to be easy, but it is the likely course of things
>>70940375
>Obietnicami
You know we understand this, right? It will cost you more now,lol. Don't go full Jew poles, that's not face you.
>>70943508
>So what, is it forbiden to be on friendly terms with Poland and Russia at the same time?
From point of view of Polish interests? Yes. Strong Russia and Germany are threats we have to avoid at all costs, and having a "friend" that is literally on Russian leash surely isn't a good thing. He fucking gave honors to the graveyard of Russian "liberators" during Putin's visit. Pathethic.
>unlike those cuck who (in their own words) "suck off american cock", and which undoubtedly are your idols
I have no idea who are you talking about, but if Kaczynski, then you're wrong.
>clearly tells me that you are either some shitty hohol living in Poland
Tak kurwa, bo każdy Polak który nie ma wtatuowane na czole "smierć Ukraińskim zwierzętom" to Ukrainiec, co?
Osobiscie mam głęboko w dupie kogo sobie na Ukrainie czczą jako bohatera narodowego, tak długo jak będą na naszym pasku i wcieleni do naszej nowopowstałej federacji. Zbyt wiele lat i zaszłosci pomiędzy nami i nimi, zbyt wiele krwi żeby teraz znowu kacapy nas skłóciły i wszystko szlak trafił, bo głupie Polaczki i głupie chachoły jak zwykle rzucą się sobie do gardeł zamiast działać przeciw wspólnemu wrogowi.
Jak już będziemy mieli ich media, tak jak niemcy mają nasze dzisiaj, będzie można zacząc ich naciskać. Zabronić kultu Bandery. Mówić prawdę o jego zbrodniach. Forsować Petlurę zamiast niego. Ale dopiero PO tym jak będziemy mieli nad nimi kontrolę, nie teraz.
>>70932790
They don't hate Russia, they hate stupid imbeciles living in Russia. Also, Ukraine is a corrupt shithole like Russia, Belarus is a little bit better, but still it's a shithole. I work inside international IT-team at work, where russian, ukrainians, belorussians, poles are presented and we don't have any problems with each other. The problems appear between ignorant and stupid groups of people.
>>70944226
Masz ładne plany ziomeczku, szkoda tylko że nigdy się nie spełnią, bo tak jak niepotrzebne nam są silne Niemcy i Rosja, tak Rosji i Niemcom (i w dalszej mierze USA, ale to inna historia) nie jest potrzebna silna Polska, i wszelkie próby projekcji własnych interesów przez Polskę natychmiast zostaną spacyfikowanie, albo finansowo, albo dyplomatycznie a w ostatecznosci nawet siłowo.
>>70932790
Autism.
Some genocide and war too, but mostly because autism
>>70942622
It was not like joining, it was a slow transition from protectorate to usual province/colony. Its to comlicated stuff to describe it while printing on phone with shitty internet. We could discus it later, such threads (what Slavs should do to benefit from Russi:-) a and Old Europe weaknesses) can be regular. Baltbros will join even before fucking Serbs.
>>70944665
Ok, but how trustworthy is Ukraine? Ukraine rebelled against the Commonwealth and accepted Moscow. Will Ukraine ever make up its mind?
>>70943728
>leaf opinion
>>70943807
>Russia has to just really push reforms to get them off of oil dependency
Whenever we try to buy some actual technology to start production in Russia and not just assembling shit from imported parts west blocks us. Like when Putin tried to buy OPEL and america vetoed it. And then they say putin so evil and lazy russia can not into reforms. What reforms you bastards? We can't just reinvent all these modern gizmos. Ukraine is turning into agrarian colony already, a shining example of what west wants of us.
Dunno why they hated us in the past, but I'm 100% sure that now they do it because we brought war to their home.
And one thing. They say Savchenko committed crime against Russian journalists during the war, so they kidnapped her and started trial. Just think about the level of dirty games our gov. is playing.
And you still don't understand why people hate Russia and us(the Russian people)?
>>70945208
Reforms that aren't reliant on foreign goods, like industry made with russian material or investing more in abundant natural resources you have like metals that can then be used to spur industrial growth
>>70944586
Tak by rzeczywiscie było, gdyby nie fakt, że sytuacja geopolityczna sprzyja nam jak nigdy wczesniej.
Przeczytaj jeszcze raz dokładnie >>70939301
Niemcy umierają. Za +/- 20 lat będą mieli wojnę domową z Muslimami (jak zresztą większosc Europy zachodniej. Dodatkowo EU się rozpada, a bez niej nie będą miały już takiej siły nacisku jak obecnie.
Co do Rosji - wykańczają ją sankcje, konflikt na Ukrainie w który Putin się głupio wpakował i niskie ceny ropy. Ich możliwosci wpływu na nas są praktycznie zerowe, jako że już teraz praktycznie uniezależnilismy się od ich rynku po nałożeniu wzajemnych sankcji.
Zamiast narzekać że nikt nam nigdy na nic nie pozwoli, trzeba wreszcie zacząć cos robić.
>>70945208
Nigga,we don't excel in consumer production,sure,but we are on par with China in heavy machinery production. These things just aren't spoken about that often,since the general population isn't interested in how well the new rocket engine performs.
>>70945404
>trying to reason with a Russian subhuman immune to logic
You'll have more luck trying to convert a zombie into a productive member of society.
>>70945697
I firmly believe that with enough convincing and facts anyone can be turned into a smart politically aware person.
Do you think russia can push reform?
It would be interesting to hear an actual russians opinion
>>70945833
>Do you think russia can push reform?
No, it's dead-in-the-water and no reforms will come along without the radical change in the establihment. They've had 16 years to diversify the economy and reform healthcare, social security, etc. but did nothing substantial. Now it's too late and they know it, that's why they spend money on propaganda to fire up vatniks fight imaginary enemies like the US statedep. Gold reserves are getting thinner and the government is planning to cut expenses and implement more taxes as the oil rent gets less profitable to maintain the budget deficite with the falling currency.
>>70945833
You don't understand Russian political structure, so you speak about pushing reforms, forget about it. Russia has literally feudal political model.
>>70945833
Of course it can. It will happen eventually. NUZHNO TOLKO POTERPET.
>>70946362
>>70946514
I see your points but i have to disagree. Even if the current people stay in power for another 4 years with no reforms, as the pressure grows they or the people who come after them will have no choice other than to reform if they want to stay relevant on the world stage, which is needed to fulfill Russian national interests.
I think that in the next 5-10 years at some point you will see reforms that are trying to get manufacturing to take a larger part of the russian economy, especially in computer parts for local use and car production.
I also see a push for companies to set up farther east to try and encourage not only wealth but people to make siberia less of a wasteland and more of a productive part of the country.
It would not be out of the question for russia to also push heavily on arms sales especially to newly opened markets such as iran and the middle east in general, likely targetting iraq as a new customer also.
In the end of the day though only time will tell
>>70944976
Its definatly not, we have a lot of work to prevent It for the futute. Russkie did nice job to push a war in there, and not loking to end it, so wounds will prevent it for near future, we have some time.
>>70932790
They dont, Galicians maybe but otherwise ukrainians and russians are avery similar peoples belonging to the same culture. Poles are Alien to East slavic civilization. Plast concept is best for poles
>>70946819
Don't try to argue with them, all you can get in return is "REEEEEE YOU DONT UNDERSTEEAAND NOFFIN CAN BE DONE REEEEEE".
>>70939301
What if Russia extends a partition deal in the future?
Russia holocausted them.
>>70945334
Liberal cuck. Seriously i hate cucks, i am surranded by them 24/7 but Polish and russian. Ones are even worse than swedish ones. Liberal cancer fifth columnists, bron from dangerus delusions
>>70944976
Its definatly not, we have a lot of work to prevent It for the futute. Russkie did nice job to push a war in there, and not loking to end it, so wounds will prevent it for near future, we have some time.
>>70937828
Oh God not another kike. Ukraine what are you doing?
>>70947567
Ukraine will probally not exist in 5-10 years. It is in complete collapse without russia propping it up. Eastern ukraine breaking off or Being destroyed in war means no industry -25% Economy, No trade with russia another minus -20% and Massive debt to IMF. Ukraine will probally be absobed by russia when the west finally collapses
>>70932790
Good ol' uncle Joe let millions of Ukrainians die.
>>70932790
>ukraine
You mean, Western Russia?
>>70947927
All jews in Russian empire where restricted to Ukraine belarus and poland, so obviously the region will be have alot of jewish influence
>>70937780
Mad little katsapchik.
>>70948066
The famine was horrible resultat of mismanagment but to be fair the peasants and objektive reasons such as the wheater was equally large reasons for them famine as soviet mismanagment. If dialouge was better between the Central goverment and the kulaks the famine would probally not have happend
>>70948075
Jews have a country now, USA. They should kindly fuck off from the Slavic countries desu.
>>70948118
Galicians diaspora
>>70947039
Even russians hate russians, they killed each other easily, if they had some difference in political views. So no big deal in this. As i said ukraine:russian is something like yanks:dixie relationships in 1863.
>>70947332
>Russian speaking the actual truth is "cuck"
Way to spot a Putinbot.
>>70948326
What about Israel? But yeah USA has massive Jewish influence
>>70946819
I bet you are 12 y.o. We're in this shit because of some reasons and they have been located not in economical spheres. New reforms can't change anything because there's no law, Putin and his friends are the only law in Russia. You can't change establishment new people won't come, only affiliated with the old government people can rule after Putin. Politics decided how things work in my country not economic rules. Even with tons of money we will be living in a 3rd world and we won't reach level of avg Europe country, just remember the oil price at 110 bucks.
I can tell you what is going to happen in next 5-10 years, 100% far east will be part of China - we can't afford it, there's no work there and poverty, even in such conditions people don't leave far east because they have homes/places to live there there's no guarantee they find job close to center or they just don't have enough money to move there, we 100% will lose those territories. You said about national interests, you should know that Russian citizen's wealth is not a part of national interests.
>>70948075
And Russia won 't collapse? You think other regions of Russia aren't watching Ukraine? Besides, Ukrainians have nothing to go back to. They pick temporary difficulties over belonging to this lower Muscovite culture of rule of power and lies
>>70946819
>as the pressure grows they or the people who come after them will have no choice other than to reform if they want to stay relevant on the world stage, which is needed to fulfill Russian national interests.
The people in Russia have a tremendous degree of tolerance to the pressure growing. They are told that it's all the fault of the West refusing to cooperate with Russia and playing against our national interests which is a propaganda crafted to refuse to take the responsibility explaining the state of affairs as "things are just beyond our control".
>I think that in the next 5-10 years at some point you will see reforms that are trying to get manufacturing to take a larger part of the russian economy, especially in computer parts for local use and car production.
No, there won't be free money to do that, and they already failed with that nanotechnolgical scam pulled out in Medvedev's presidency. The fact is Russia can't compete with semiconductor corporations at all it's not making old clones.
>It would not be out of the question for russia to also push heavily on arms sales especially to newly opened markets such as iran and the middle east in general
Arms sales contribute to a very tiny share in the Russian GDP.
>>70947199
Are you frustrated that you can never forget about your own insignificance?
>>70948623
>if it's not
>>70946819
Told you: >>70948623
Russian sure do love to complain.
>>70948517
Most of them live here and don't care about Israel. I mean they say it's their land and constantly shill for it but don't want to go there.
>>70948863
>take it up your ass like a man
Are you a homosoldier, btw?
>>70947927
We utilize any possible resources (kikes network and money) in our outofMoskow effort. Its not our fault your based strong conservarive leaders suck Purin dick so hard.
>>70948576
Retard. Ukrainians and Russians are brothers who should be United in greater pan-slav superstate, like Russian empire or reformed USSR. Muscovites built one of the largest empires in history and had the most advanced culture in Eastern Europe. Ukrainians and russians are much more similar than Polish aliens, as i already Said piast concept is the best geopolitical choice for Poland
>>70948576
Russia song collapse as long as putin remins in power, at worst they will enter a new time of troubles while the west goes full dark ages. And russia will energi much stronger from this geopolitical crisis
>>70942780
Hungarian units declined Germans any help in the Uprising, sabotaged them, or even once had a stand off with a SS unit. Ukrainians were still rebelling 'til 1948. They also helped Germans with pacifying the Uprising (even though they were only good in slaughtering civilians).
>>70949417
'Wont
>>70948386
Heil Bandera!
>>70949225
>let me tell you about your country and how it should be run
Would you friendly fuck off somewhere you can get yourself ready to prep the bull, Sven? The world is more complicated than your adolescent stormfag fantasies. Let the adults talk.
>>70949029
Fuck, literal internationalist semi-globalist shill. You need to get to Church for excorsims NOW. And ukraine can never leave Russia, the two lands are forever bonden togheter
>>70949225
>Ukrainians and Russians are brothers who should be United in greater pan-slav superstate like Russian empire or reformed USSR
> Muscovites built one of the largest empires in history and had the most advanced culture in Eastern Europe
This is where I stopped taking anything you write seriously.
>>70949225
Who appointed you to be an expert on what Ukrainians should do? You have a weird definition of "brothers".
>>70949555
Kek, look at the dispishit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqtpQgFCQIM
>>70949420
Enemy of my enemy is my friend. Anything to kick commie scum out.
>>70949636
Ukrainians and russians emerge from the same original civilization and belong to the orthodox world, just because Poland introducerade catholicism into ukraine and after subversively in the Russian empire docent change anything. And i already admitted Sweden is cucked, but i really dont care and i am slavic anyway
We will feed our polar bears with y'all
>>70943728
>typical fucking burger thinking that 100 years is a long time and that's history is made out of.
Yeah, well, if we added another 60 years we would overthow our illegal illigitimate regime which stole power during the Civil War. Do you want that faggot?
>>70949822
No one. Russians and ukrainians are extremly similar and should stick togheter, as as,should all slavs, No more brothers wars!
>>70949981
What? Are you refering to nazis, hungarians, ukrainians, or something else?
>>70950551
Commie Russians
>>70932790
> Because Jews killed many Ukrainians under the guise of communism.
> Ukrainians can't differentiate between a commie Jew and their Russian brethren.
> Ukies hate Russkies.
Their hate for Russia is understandable, but unfounded. The only way for Russia and Ukrainian to come together is, by Russia admitting the commie revolution was a Jewish revolution, destroying both Russia and Ukraine.
>>70950682
Russians are not communist. Soviet union is less than 5% of russias history and the only reason russians fly soviet flags today is because of the great patriotic war. Most russians rightfully see imperial russia as the their Russia
>>70932790
something about choosing national socialism over soviet socialism
>>70950185
>Yugoslavia (fell apart)
>Czecho-Slovakia (fell apart)
Give it up, it's not working.
>>70949029
They are there to make shekels for themselves and not you. Even if Ukraine starts recovering economically, which I doubt, they will flood it with refugees. They don't care about people and can always go back to the US if shit hits the fan.
>>70951129
>Most russians rightfully see imperial russia as the their Russia
You don't have much clue about things, do you?
>>70951196
Russians fought for bott National and soviet socialism. It was confederate Times and russians just thought for how they thought was less evil, white army russians jones SS and peasants fought in the red army and so on. And soviet socialism was very national too
They're stupid, that's why, OP.
>>70951346
Of Course they like the Triumphs USSR made to but marxist ideology is a western thing, russians just like the power, not the dogma. And russia post-2012 is defintetly on the imperial orthodox side
>>70951285
It will, egen if we must force it too.
>>70932790
Kids hate their parents.
>>70942622
>why do big cities steal wealth?
Because they're population/resource sinks. Thought you savages would've realized that by now considering the Roman Empire.
Just so you leftist urbanites of Europe know: quit trying to turn America into Europe. We have WAY more urban centers than you fuckers and if they get the degree of unrestrained power you fuckers give your capitals, then you can bet your ass that America will be the Moscow of the entire world and reduce human population to a mere trickle as it consumes the wealth of empires to satiate the degenerate urban trash.
If you faggots had even a shred of common sense, you'd do everything you can to encourage teh 3rd Great Migration and, when sufficient numbers of our blacks(i.e. half of all ethnic Southerners) are safe in small towns and villiages, you'd do everything you can to start an atomic war so that the liberal urbanites would fry before they can grab any more power.
We need an atomic war or else Moscow will look like an honest small town in comparison to the urban degeneracy you fuckers will make us unleash.
>>70949818
Why?
Because Russia ate Nein
>>70951898
Because all Russia is is Moscow and the centralization(and thus wasting) of wealth in a single urban center is no virtuous system.
Fuck, Moscow is such a piece of trash that it overthrew the emperor, brought about communism, and, when one leader forced it to actually care about the rest of Russia, was willign to shit all over its only decent commie(Joseph Jughashvili )
Urbanites are the cancer we must ALL unite against and the cure it atomic.
Russians are all Pavlik Morozov.
>>70937256
Fuck Ukrain you guys are assholes....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNMLQVRkPbQ
>>70952293
Fuck ALL urbanites. There's not a single one that doesn't deserve to burn
fuck all of these post commie slavshits
Go China
Grow Larger!!!
>>70953585
>"I don't know what population sources and sinks are but I'll just say something stupid about a degenerate empire of petty tyrants"
FTFY
China has the room to expand(most live in only a fraction of the country) but it won't since urban centers are corrupt pieces of shit that'll do anything to keep from having to reform.
>>70952225
>Russians are all Pavlik Morozov.
No, they're far worse. The urbanite not only betrays anyone but they also degenerate into GRID-infected pieces of trash before dying at an unnaturally young age.
Thank God our blacks are basically antebellum southern whites culturally and have resisted the pressure by the liberals to faggotize them in order to reduce their numbers. Liberals should be exterminated by the blacks.
>>70935783
sorry, but no. you want heroes and martyrs? you have petlura. we will never accept your banderashit
