You pay to have your DNA analysed by 23andme, and you check your ancestry report:
What percentage score of any non-european category would it take for someone to be classed as not white?
What if you have 0.1% sub saharan african?
Where would you draw the line, pol?
>you pay
>imblying i have money to confirm i'm a turk rape-baby
>feelsbadman,jpg
No more than 1/8 non-White, or one non-White great grandparent.
>Classification
Deutschblütiger
>Translation
German-blooded
>Heritage
1/8 Jewish
>Definition
Considered as belonging to the German race and nation; approved to have Reich citizenship
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Laws#Classifications_under_the_laws
1/8 = 12.5%
>>70911224
you forgot to mention the fact that you're paying to give every intelligence agency in the world access to your dna profile.
>great grandparents white
>grandparents white
>parents white
>i'm white.
>3.6%
>1.1%
but you, sir, are a nigger.
and a kike.
Do you look pass for White?
>>70911400
I'm the Turk-rape babby Bulgar bro, don't feel sad. Mother's side from Bulgaria.
>>70911224
>yfw when you learn you're a natsoc merchant
>Tfw worst combination of races possible
>>70911842
>you forgot to mention the fact that you're paying to give every intelligence agency in the world access to your dna profile.
Who gives a shit? What would they do with it anyway?
Those aren't my results.
>>70911224
Get out of my country you filthy non-white cunt
>>70912026
Those aren't my results shithead, I have an anglo-saxon surname. When have you ever met a Garcia here? This is obviously some random american I pulled up with google images.
>>70912105
DAMAGE CONTROL
Or should I say
CONTROL DE DAÑOS
>>70911967
ayy. did you learn bulgarian from her at least?
also when is the reconquista. we were doing fine until the russian faggots got into the picture.. feels bad
>>70911842
>What would they do with it anyway?
>positive ID for when youre fighting on the best side.
>frame you. independent from lea agency confirms that it was your dna on the vagina of the murdered infant
>profile you and your progeny by your genetic code - prone to cancer? heart disease? "sorry sir, we're unable to insure you"
this is gods code and you arent selling it or giving it away --- you are paying people to accept it from you. this is the most devilish plot since charging people a monthly fee to be monitored and tracked.
>>70911224
These kinds of threads are for those insecure about their worth. You know exactly how much you're worth, you just have to accept it.
>>70912548
>>70912639
Projection much?
>literally paying the jew so she can have your DNA
wew lad
>>70912783
Keep your enemies closer, lad.
The Jews are not our enemy.
>>70911224
2 Years of Genetic Science studies here mate - I can tell you that under 1% is considered noise. Ethnicity tests are only as accurate as database of samples they compared against. 23andme (and ancestry.com) use user results as part of their base, and this is going to produce lots of noise, because only genetically stable (homogeneous) populations will give accurate results for comparison against. Mixed people (as most Americans - the majority of their users) are not very good to compare against because it has to take into account peoples declaration of ancestry, which is a huge margin of error.
Anyway, don't sweat less than 1%. If you add your parents and siblings you may also find that it disappears also.
I can explain further if you like.
>>70912015
Are you aware of any ancestry from Oceania? That is a really odd result is such a small amount.
>>70912507
nah, they are pretty much in denial of their roots. it's a clusterfuck really, great-grandpa from thessaloniki, half-albanian too.
>when is the reconquista
i dunno m8 at this point i'll be ok if we can hold onto these lands
>>70912962
When does a person cease to be considered of a certain racial or ethnic group?
>>70913023
Great grandmother on dad's side was 25% native Australian.
>>70912962
>because it has to take into account peoples declaration of ancestry, which is a huge margin of error.
Expand on this please. If you're of German ancestry, for example, wouldn't there be specific genes that would show this?
>>70911224
>giving not just your money but also your DNA to the jew so they know even your literal genetic makeup
M-M-M-M-ONSTER KEK
>>70912019
Your DNA linked to cookies linked to every data trail that you have left on the internet crosslinked with social media profiles. You are basically spying on yourself for the government. Considering most of the rhetoric on /pol/ this would be more than enough to keep you from being gainfully employed.
>>70911224
You are not white.
im 80% european but since im 20% beanlord then that allows me to hate eurocucks? Good shit. Whites are cucks. Castizo master race
>>70911224
pretty simple really, one drop rule.. youl know your never fully white.
>tfw 99.6% European
>>70913042
That is very much a mater of personal opinion.
Genetically speaking, anything over 3% in autosominal testing is certainly not noise, but you would need to look at the relevant section where it lies on the chromosome and dig a bit deeper, and ideally parents data.
You also need to look at haplogroups. Your earliest paternal and maternal ancestry can tell you a lot too. You could have a very European Autosominal test result only to find out you have a direct (albeit ancient) ancestor who was of a totally different ethnic group.
>>70913066
God, that must suck.
>>70913588
>>70913319
Must be disappointing to have such boring incestuous genetics.
>>70913066
Please post a pic of you, Abo
>>70912548
This is what paranoid schizophrenia looks like in the early stage
>>70913663
Nah. I have blue eyes, fair skin, blond hair when I was a kid that gradually turned dark brown.
>>70913255
What about AncestryDNA?
>>70913642
what are you talking about, my genetics showed my family mixed with alot of different european races
>>7091369
You take the freedom of speech for granted. In other first world countries you can be imprisoned for "hate speech".
>>70913766
Ignore him, Muhammad is just jealous.
>>70913255
lol get a grip
>>70912962
>Mixed people (as most Americans - the majority of their users) are not very good to compare against because it has to take into account peoples declaration of ancestry, which is a huge margin of error.
They only use people that self report all 4 grandparents originating from a specific global region. They then toss out statistical outliers.
>my dna.land data
I did ftdna but don't trust their estimates. Don't know where the tubalar comes from here.
>>70912962
Know of better service to use with a better database structure?
>>70911224
One drop rule always applies.
I've started drinking horse blood, riding bareback and working on my bow skills since I'm basically a Mongol.
>>70913642
Statistically theres plenty of diversity for good genes.
>The “magic number” of people needed to create a viable population for multi-generational space travel has been calculated by researchers. It is about the size of a small village – 160. But with some social engineering it might even be possible to halve this to 80.
>>70913750
Same concept ,especially if you live in Utah, owned by Mormons who run that state.
So.. What would be the best DNA service out there to use? 23 and me? Or...?
>>70913886
I thought Mormons are trust worthy.
>>70911733
I find it hilarious how pol often has a higher standard of 'whiteness' than fucking Hitler himself
>>70911733
I DID IT!
>>70913963
For fucks sake why is it literally every time I make a good post on a thread it becomes the last post?
>>70913817
Stick to shitposting straya. The tinfoils were laughed at until prism, wikileaks, and snowden. If you want to step in line and submit your swab then be my guest. It's your privacy not mine. Add your DNA to the database of white nationalists and I'll see you in a reeducation diversity camp
>>70913963
>>70914226
It's not even a good post. Back then there were less people obviously standards of whiteness would drop when there's only a very small handful that are truly 'white' by our definition.
Fast forward to 2016 and we have billions of people in the world, thus there's a much more marginal selection on whiteness due to a much larger pool.
>>70913114
Sadly it's not that Simple. Germans are not a unified genetically homogeneous race of people by any stretch. Just like the UK, its had many thousands of years of population movement and settlement and intermixing. There are no "German genes". They can only take a population study of people form smaller villages that have been there and not moved around to the best of their knowledge, and then compare them against each other and look for similarities. What they might find in Bavaria would be very different then what they find in Saxony. If they take all the Germans and lump them together you get quite a range. All of which would have a lot of similarities with surrounding countries too, as borders do not contain gene flow.
Homogenous groups are wonderful to compare against like Basques or Ashkenazi, and its easy to say that someone has a percentage of similarity to that homogeneous population.
But taking mixed people of multiple ethnic groups categorizing them against homogeneous populations which will give an approximation of their ancestry is one thing. Then adding them to the base you compare against is really not that wise as their results are only an approximation. The more people they add, and the more diverse they are, the more noise (and less accuracy) it adds to future tests.
A big part of that also is part of the result is taking into account their declared ancestry which people may state wrongly - especially new world people.
A example (though not a great one I'll admit) If you have 100 Americans who are sure they are 100% Irish, and their results somewhat fit against Irish studies, but they all have a little bit of Cherokee Indian, but there are no Cherokees tested it would then distort results for people who were Cherokee, and tell them they are 3% Irish. It's not a great way to do it IMO.
>>70913960
As long as you are a Mormon you should be fine. But their DNA is 100% Israelite/native American.
I know for a fact that one of my great grandmothers was Native American yet my result from 23andme says I am slightly less than 1% Native American.
>>70913859
Yes, you are correct about grandparents, but many people may now really know, or have been told or remembered false facts. It's really not a very scientific way to do it.
>>70914288
That makes no sense
>>70911224
>Paying to give people your DNA to put on record
lol, this is like going to the police station and turning in your harddrive and tipping them for receiving it.
If you're 2+% non-white it's already weird as fuck and you're more like a mix raced person. You can identity as white, but I am sure you will end up stabbing us in the back to join BLM or something.
>>70914316
It's almost as if you're saying race as we understand it in popular culture doesn't actually exist.
>>70911224
Why is it always the anglos who start these threads?
>>70914336
Perfect example here. Either family stories are wrong, which happens. or there is not enough testing of the tribes your Grandmother came from, and anyone else that might share a similar genome to you, declared as something else.
These sites are mostly marketing DESU.
>>70914417
You did a good job explaining what you didn't understand.
>>70911224
You do realize they keep your DNA in a database and that the company has ties to Google?
>giving merchants your DNA
>paying for it
Truly the best goyim.
>>70914316
That makes a lot of sense. Especially given the absurd number of ancestors Americans tend to claim while statistically, 85-90% of White Americans are of British, or mostly British descent.
>>70914456
I'm not sure how you got that from what I said.
Race absolutely exists. You can instantly tell if a person is substantially one racial group or another. But every race is many up of many ethnicity, each with their own unique blend.
>>70911224
Why isn't Caucasus never on the map? they don't have genetic samples from here?
>>70914403
I'm not a tinfoil. They would call you a shill, and I'm pretty sure you're just an idiot.
>>70914658
Actually, most white Americans are of German ancestry, British is the second largest.
>>70913965
At last someone with more neanderthal DNA than me, phew.
>>70911224
It doesn't even matter if you 0.1% sub Saharan or 100% sub Saharan.
If you aren't at least 80% Ashkenazi, you are subhuman, disgusting goyim. You filth are all the same.
>>70914945
There's TONS of population studies of the caucuses. You make an interesting point tho, I do wonder how 23andme would show it. I would guess middle eastern or Western Asian as your population share more in common with them genetically. Or might just come up "undefined" if they don't have much data (mine was about 5% with them, and I have some churka ancestry).
They started out marketing to Americans, so there is likely a lot that is not really well defined for central and western Asia.
>>70913862
Shalom, brother.
>>70913862
Now what's the next step of your master plan?
https://youtu.be/_jI6iAa-cC0?t=1m45s
Is he White?
ONE
SINGLE
DROP
>>70915224
That's not yours....
>>70915276
I know that there are tons of studies, by they I meant 23andme specifically. We are mostly West Asian, closest probably to Iranians..
>>70915276
What kind of Churka ancestry do you have?
>>70915984
You would probably be disappointed with the results they give, I doubt they would be very accurate by location. But the raw data you could use on GED match and get more relevant results.
Georgians/Caucus people are pretty unique autosominally speaking. Iran is much more mixed that you might imagine.
Pic very loosely related.
>>70913963
It's meme decay. WN are far more radical than the actual Nazis were because they have to compensate that much harder for how shit the world has become since WWII.
>>70916181
Circassian... 5-6 generations ago on my mothers side.
>>70913619
>Jews are White!
No. I don't care how many times you faggot kikes post this whitewashed jew/actor. Jews are not White.
>>70911224
consider suicide please
>>70916766
You mean POOicide?
>>70913862
Oy fucking Vey
How is that even possible
Must be shooped
>father was hungarian
>tfw it would cost like $200 in shipping to and from Australia
Why can't they just subcontract that shit out here? Fuck, I do DNA sequencing in undergrad Biochem labs.
>>70916766
India please go. If you post in a thread it derails are we all have to say poo in the loo. Until you leave.
>>70917990
>Fuck, I do DNA sequencing in undergrad Biochem labs.
No you don't, you run simple PCRs. Don't try to pretend otherwise.
>>70917990
Why would you buy one then, you can do it all yourself.
The pretty pie chart isn't worth it.
I'm very curious to do this because my grandfather was german but he didn't have a stereotypical look, he had dark hair and green eyes
But i don't have the money so nvm
>>70915026
That's completely retarded. Literally too stupid for me to even bother going to find a link to research. Germans were the largest ethnic group in the US in 1965. Which was to say they were the largest group that wasn't British.
In 1970, 79% of the US was of British descent. About 8.7% of the US was whites of all other ethnic groups.
>>70918107
That's wrong though lol. We literally sequence particular genes related to common cancers and see if there are any mutations in there.
>>70911224
I wanted to do the test to get the probability of alzheimers etc. and genetic diseases, but apparently none of the hospitals in my town offer it.
>>70911224
Feels good man.
>>70913873
Ikr senpai already stole my first purse last week.
>>70918497
No MtDNA HG - he's hiding something :)
Old screen cap too - have to checked it recently for the update?
Am I 0.1% Ayy Lmao?
>>70918622
They really should prune out >1%
I swear they do this on purpose now and no one gets 100%
>>70918713
What? It's still the same.
>>70918622
>99.6% White
>0.3% Nigger
How the hell does shit like this even happen? I doubt it's misidentification. But what it has to mean is that someone was a nigger in the family tree and got fucked by an oil driller, but not only that - that everyone from then on just kept fucking the mulatto offspring until it was bleached almost entirely White. That seems so unlikely it's bizarre.
>>70911224
literally paying google/jews to tell you who you are
who in their right mind would do such a thing?
>>70918865
The new interface is different. like this:
>>70912015
Did yours not update?
Also 99.1 in teh picture, and 100% on teh side. You are hiding .9% f something :)
>>70914583
They can keep our DNA everytime you go to a hospital.
The only difference is that these databases are much more advanced than whatever hospitals use I imagine.
>>70919030
Never mind, I cant do math today haha
I don't know why someone would have a hard time believing you do sequencing, it's pretty simple to do sanger nowadays
>>70918901
Most Americans are probably like 3% black. Just fuck an American and you'll end up with a 0.3% black DNA kid.
>>70919129
mostly because he still wants to pay $200 for something he can do himself.... does not compute
>>70918901
It probably is a false positive,
maybe the guy didn't wash the instrumets properly or whatever
>>70918830
Sard'd
>>70919175
I agree. I can tell the difference between Europeans and white Americans 9 times out of 10.
Americans have a different shaped head and body there's just this "look" they have.
I'm actually originally from Europe so that's why I could tell the difference.
>>70918901
See: >>70914316
>>70919293
Are they the niggers of Italy, Mario?
>>70919320
That's just what happens when you live near black people.
Someone from the North is going to be more white than someone from the South. Like that KKK member who was exposed to be like 30% black. These people look white enough, so you don't think they're carrying black genes, but they are.
>>70912704
>>70913691
i gave 3 very valid reasons why one should not do this. now you give me 3 reasons why one would voluntarily submit their dna into a database besides seeing if an ancestor fucked a nigger 2,500 years ago. it's an obvious trap and you are either bluepilled dumbass that believes himself "one-of-us" (youre not one of us) or youre a schlomo shill.
>>70913859
Wow. Ancestry reports look like shit compared to 23andme
>>70919175
Yes, but America isn't Europe. We had a large nigger population living among us for a very long time and basically became a mixed people. Europe isn't like that.
>>70919291
I honestly wonder.
>>70914316
This, however, seems to offer a decent explanation. In BC times and later the Mediterranean would have seen movements of people with a small bit of African blood and some of those would have mated with pure White Europeans. I would imagine this would be the most likely explanation for a White European with a tiny smattering of nigger DNA.
>>70919320
>there's just this "look" they have.
that Innsmouth Look...
>>70919083
They're also not bound by patient confidentiality laws which is a huge fucking deal.
>>70919860
It is highly unlikely that autosominal testing would reflect an admixture from that long ago (though haplogroups certainly would). If it's showing more than 1% its likely to be something form the last 10 generations or so. Granted anything is possible, but my earlier explanation is the reason it is so common with these services.
>>70919359
All south Italians are niggers
>>70920312
Northern Slavs are significantly Finnic (Mongoloid). I would know :)
>>70911224
It already came out that the government forces them to hand all the DNA information over, the government knowing you have a weakness to X which causes you to die, no thanks.
>>70911733
Ok I'm always confused by this shit.
So, on my mother's side, my grandmother is jewish (German jews) and my grandfather is methodist or something. Meaning my mother would be half jew, i think. And, if that's correct, I would be 1/4 Jew.
On my father's side, my grandfather was pure german citizen (young at the time, so he was a hitler youth) and my grandmother was something but certainly not jewish (met in the US). Meaning my father would be considered "of german blood"
So would I be a jew, or a half breed, or what?
I think I'd be some sort of crossbreed of the second degree.
But, if you look at the chart there, it only shows that with my parents, "marriage is only allowed with official approval" but it doesn't say what their children would be.
>>70920404
Really don't know where the Italian came from. Think this must be noise.
It's a scam you fucking retards
>>70920480
They claim they will delete your data on request, as long as you do not enroll to participate in studies.
Given the suing culture of America where most of their clients are, I would imagine they keep that promise. Someone gets arrested and DNA evidence came from 23andme/ancestry after requesting it deleted they would have a hell of a lawsuit.
>tfw got my DNA done for free when I was at Uni
100% pure Celtic blood, some North-Iberian in me as well at some point as well as some Norse
>>70913862
>ashkenazi
>european
>implying they aren't mudsharks
what a stupid and very incorrect site. Only a retard would actual consider these results to be validated, they are incorrect on the basis of them thinking that jews are whites. Since it's not listed until middle eastern, it is a very incorrect site.
>>70920260
His was less than 1% though.
>>70920539
It only means your genome shares a 4.7% similarity with users who declare themselves as Italian. Doesn't necessarily mean any of your forebears had Italian passports.
>>70920260
Also, do you mean to say that the reason some Whites may show up with "black" admixture is because niggers who were actually mixed identified as "black" and they used them as a base, while they may contain actually European genetic traits that are listed as "Sub-Saharan African"? Because I don't think that's likely.
>>70920536
According to the Jewish faith, you're Jewish. But also you're just mixed. No one cares if someone has Jewish blood in them (at least I think so) or even has a problem with Jews, it's the scheming Zionists people have a problem with
>>70920536
This is because the Maternal line passes on your "jewishness" by Jewish religions law. So because your direct maternal line in Jewish you are considered a Jew. The Germans seemed willing to overlook that to the 3rd generation on some occasions though.
>>70920962
>>70920983
Yeah, I had some superjew professor for religious studies in college and asked him.
He said I'm technically a jew according to judaism, but I wasn't sure about the Nazi side of things.
I don't look too jewish, so I'm guessing i'd be fine.
>>70920539
They use Tuscans and Bergamo for the reference data (north italy). It probably represents some ancient roman in you.
I'm the white/jew version of blade.
>>70920962
Kike genes are poison, so yes, some people (those who know and care) do give a shit. I've seen people who thought they were 100% White who've had grandchildren die from Tay-Sachs, because of crypto-kike ancestry.
>>70920674
Then it is almost certainly noise.
>>70920864
In the case of rogue black admixture showing in European people I would imagine it comes from african-americans declaring 4 ancestors black, but like 70% or more of African-Americans they have some white ancestry. If their tests didn't match any European population bases and they were filed under 100% black, then at a later time a white person who tested and shares a similarity with the black bases genome it would then assign them a % of "black" admixture.
You have to understand genes don't show black and white. It's all just broad comparisons against groups of tested people.
150 bucks to be sure that i'm a son of Gengiskhan? Better go drunk.
>>70912507
ei siunetchiq mrusen
>>70921302
>In the case of rogue black admixture showing in European people I would imagine it comes from african-americans declaring 4 ancestors black, but like 70% or more of African-Americans they have some white ancestry. If their tests didn't match any European population bases and they were filed under 100% black, then at a later time a white person who tested and shares a similarity with the black bases genome it would then assign them a % of "black" admixture.
Aren't they testing specific genes though?
>You have to understand genes don't show black and white.
No, but they DO show ancestry. There has to be a founder and a direct hereditary line.
>>70921081
May as well abuse it. Its a get out of jail free card on every discussion of race and the middle east :) Free Israeli passport too. Plus you get the high IQ without the need for subversive world domination. Win win.
>>70921416
Then again, I suppose every gene hasn't been identified and mapped by ancestry yet, so this COULD be possible.
>>70921416
No they are comparing customers gene sequences against base studies.
The problem lies in that whoever gets tested 1st if added to the base, effects all tests that come afterwards. I explain this in detail earlier.
No genes do not show ancestry. You will need to read on this yourself. Different populations have commonality in their admixture. Once they are documented and data-based you can establish population genetics, and compare future results and see how much they have in common. That is all these tests are.
The only direct line ancestry is by looking at haplogroups.
>>70920173
>http://www.nbcnews.com/id/3077152/ns/technology_and_science-science/t/whos-keeping-your-genetic-keys/#.Vw-TXVJPLIU
>Could the genetic records be subpoenaed? “They probably could,” Greely said, but only in rare circumstances. He listed a couple of theoretical scenarios: “If you’ve disappeared … a corpse is found in a sufficiently deteriorated form, and they don’t know who it is … (or) you’re a criminal suspect, and you haven’t been caught, and there’s DNA left at the scene.”
go ahead --- do it. do it now.
>>70922119
That's not half of it, you're giving your genetic info to a private entity that has little restrictions on how they're gonna use it. The implications are endless: imagine having ads targeted to you based on genetic predispositions. Employers checking your genetic background and making their own conclusions based on some algorithm. Insurers adjusting your premiums according to hereditary diseases based on your DNA. Becoming a criminal suspect because a close DNA match was found on a crime scene. Then some legislators see these things and go "oh it's already so widespread so what's the harm?" and boom, now genetic screening is mandatory.
>>70921788
>The problem lies in that whoever gets tested 1st if added to the base, effects all tests that come afterwards. I explain this in detail earlier.
Hmm. So in other words, 23andme isn't accurate because its base relies on self-reporting, not known gene origins? That's fucking weird.
>No genes do not show ancestry.
They absolutely do if you can figure out where they originate. Heredity isn't magic.
>The only direct line ancestry is by looking at haplogroups.
That's false. Unless you have the same gene appear multiple times in the species de novo, heredity still comes into play. ALL of your genes come from your ancestors. Not just some of them.
>>70922891
Hmm. So in other words, 23andme isn't accurate because its base relies on self-reporting, not known gene origins? That's fucking weird.
The base is both population studies, which are accurate, and customer results based on self reporting (for those that fill in all 4 grand parents).
>They absolutely do if you can figure out where they originate. Heredity isn't magic.
My point is that genes themselves are not labeled black white and asian under a micorscope. Only population studies can determine the genetic makeup of people. Absolutely race and ethnicity can be determined ONCE populations are studied so that results can be compared to them. I hope that clarifies.
>That's false. Unless you have the same gene appear multiple times in the species de novo, heredity still comes into play. ALL of your genes come from your ancestors. Not just some of them.
Yes all genes come form your ancestors, but ONLY your Y-chromosome does not change or mutate between generations. the other 22 chromosomes absolute change between generations as you only pick up parts and pieces pieces form each parent. Some are lost, some are retained. So, what you get in an Autosominal test is the result of recent generations contributions to your genome, not every generation directly and without change. Only your Y-chromosome shows a direct linage unbroken and without change. And of course your mTDNA also does not mutate and thus is a direct indication.
>>70920285
>hurr durr le germanic north italy shitposter
Yet southern italy is the closest related to the Romans you faggot
>Be me
> Dark haired with hazel coloured chinky eyes
> score 100% Scandinavian on 23andMe
>>70924175
That reminds me there was a Sicilian chick at hs who was SO FINE I mean damn. Wish I made an effort to go after her.
>>70925078
23andme consider Finns and Ashkenazi European, so it doesn't mean much really. Its just where your ancestors spent the last 500 years or so - as it says on the website.
Take your results to GEDmatch and see how much west asian etc. you have.
Any N1C Y-HG or U4 MtDNA-HG ?
>>70925201
So what stopped you from doing that?
>>70920285
What about their glorious Norman-Terrone heritage?
23andJew is a psyops to wipe out any sense of ethnic / racial identity by convincing everyone "we're all mutts. Race is a construct. Give up identity. Be one and racemix."
Fucking kikes need more Zyklon.
How subhuman am I?
Not sure why my French and German percentage is so low; my mom is almost entirely of Acadian French descent, and most of the people I match have French surnames.
I also think the Balkan and Yakut percentages are just noise on speculative since it doesn't fit into my known ancestry for the last 500 years.
My paternal haplogroup is shitty Celtic R-L22 (but the family legend was that our surname was from a Viking that landed in Banffshire in the 10th-century, so I guess someone got cucked along the line), and my maternal haplogroup is some native one.
>>70923877
>My point is that genes themselves are not labeled black white and asian under a micorscope. Only population studies can determine the genetic makeup of people. Absolutely race and ethnicity can be determined ONCE populations are studied so that results can be compared to them. I hope that clarifies.
Yes, but my point was it would be strange if 23andme were using their own surveys to determine where genes come from, rather than referring to known origins, unless this company is also revealing the origins of some of these genes.
>>70911224
>tfw white hispanic
Kek
>>70926966
R-L21*
>>70911733
>1/32nd Amerindian
>Nazi Germany would accept me
Feels good
>>70926966
Broadly NW Europeans just means that a lot of your gnome is in common with a wide cross section of the NW European population, France included. Again these results do not give your ancestry country or origin, just how much you share in common with others from these areas.
Pretty Canadian results I'd say. Absolutely vile :)
Back to your shitposting.
>>70927288
She has two asses??
>>70925403
How aren't Finn European?
>>70927099
They do compare to known origins (tests form homogeneous populations), but unless a persons ancestry is from a genetically close population they best an analysis can do is offer a percentage of similarity against similar strings of your dna. Some strings will be common across a wide section of many countries (ie. 40% Broadly NE European), others will match closely to population studies (ie. 22% British). If you declared that your ancestry is 100% British on 4 sides that is then taken into account and added to the database and thus changes (albeit slightly) what they consider to be specifically British for future users. Now of course if you were wrong about your grandpa being British and he was actually a German you just skewed the results for everyone, and now some people with German ancestry might find they have British showing in their results, even though that is really not the case.
Where that becomes a problem as I've said several times now is where there not a lot of data on a given population. Lets say for example west African, and someone who as far as they know are Italian, and their results come back as mostly Italian, and some other broad results, and they report their relatives as Italian too. Their results are added, and those "african" parts of their genome are related to Italian ancestry in the databases. Then the next customer come along who is mostly west African, and strings of his DNA match with results that are now listed as Italian so his results come back with a small amount of Italian ancestry.
This is what is happening, and the more users that are added the more this is going to happen.
The theory is that if you add enough, plus add new population studies it will all even out. But really this is a bad way to do it. It should be based on close population studies only for accurate results.
I hope you get it now.
>>70916499
>Nogays allowed
>>70915984
West Asians unite! Do you consider West Asians as white, because I do. People call me white all the time, only difference being my fat nose.
>>70912015
Ahhahaha, dumb abbo.
Maximum kek'd.
>>70928806
Geographically Finnish people live in Europe. But ethnic Finns come form Northern Siberia and are Asiatic, and also speak a non-European language. Y-HG N1C and HG U5 and U4 being the definition of Finnic which is found all over Siberia and well into East Asia. HG N actually originates from an earlier Hapolgroup who's origins are in SE Asia.
Finnish people form Finland are obviously very mixed with Scandinavians, but Finnic genes are a big part of the Balkan and the Russian population too. It is why we all have many Asiatic features. This is most obvious in Saami and Siberian populations.
>>70928810
I still don't see how this could so often result in shit like "0.7% Sub-Saharan". I think it more likely that's due to historical admixture from peoples who already had it.
>>70928876
White mostly means European, but I'm not sure, because pre Indo-European Europe were similar to us and my country is on the border of Europe. most people say I look white. What kind of West Asian are you?
>>70929156
Indo-European ancestors originated in Siberia too and we have lots of Ancient northern Asian admixture in Caucasus too, which probably also comes from Proto Indo-Europeans.
>>70929249
It certainly could be partly historic admixture, but again, autosominal tests reflect fairly recent ancestry, and too often it just doesn't make sense, especially for Europeans. Despite holywood's attempt to distort history, black people were virtually unknown in most of Europe until very recently.
But yes, it could be historic, it could also be European genetic backflow into Africa (there are tribes in Chad for instance that are all R1b males from an iron age incursion into the area).
It could also just be noise.
Its widely accepted that under 1% (some say as much as 3%) generally is noise.
Still others say it is a strategy by 23 and me to show everyone is a bit mixed. Frankly I wouldn't put it past them either.
>spending money just so you can get more validation from neckbeards on /pol/ that you're white
HOLY KEK
>>70929156
U5 and U4 are actually European Hunter Gatherer Haplogroups.
>>70929715
ANE is very very early. Finnic tribes came much later from further east.
>>70929445
What is White is really pure speculation and personal opinion. Most people look at blonde hair and blue eyes and that is white to them. Finns have highest blondism in Europe. Yet their are significantly Asiatic in genes and apearance. Some say Slavs are white, but we have huge amounts of Mongolic admixture as well as Finnic. Some same Caucus churkas are white, but you have a lot of Semitic genetics. So really its personal opinion.
I'm about 30% ANE, 60% WHG 10% ENF. Just an average Slav mongol rape baby :)
>>70930210
U comes from R and R comes form SW Asia. U originated in Siberia and flowed west. U4 is most common in Saami.
>>70930502
I don't know man, I still think Finns are mostly European.
>>70930766
Sorry U5 is most common in saami.
FWIW I'm U4a3 so its a topic I have researched a great deal.
>>70917911
>Hungarian
>0.1% Asian
MONGOL RAPE BABY
>>70930893
Compared to chukkas they are. :)
You can see the Asiatic in them though. As you can in Russians and Balts.
>>70913862
you are more Ashkenazi then me
>>70930948
Mongols have the 7th highest IQ on average in the world. Higher than all of Europe. Despite poverty and lack of infrastructure. So its not a bad thing :)
98% European
1% Sub Saharan African
0.5% Ashkenazi
I don't know how many generations back the last two are
>>70931098
>>70920404
Finnic people have varying degrees(1-8%) of Mongoloid admixture. Estonians have LESS than the most Slavic of Russians.
>>70930766
But U5 was already in Europe before Y-DNA R was even created, Saami probably look like Mongols because of N1c and actually I have been in Lapland and I don't remember seeing many Mongols, maybe I didn't notice.
>>70926104
A few milkdrops in a pot of shit won't change the flavour
>>70931098
>>70931412
These aren't average Finns or even Saami and if they actually look like that than we Churkas look more European. BTW not all Churkas are the same.
>>70931441
Is that autosominal? I'd love to see those tests.
N1C HG makes up a huge percentage of all our populations, so the origins are mongoloid. It would be interesting to see what remains. 8% sounds very low.
>>70931544
Nope. Saami don't have their own Y-chromosome haplogroups because all of them descend from Finnish and Scandinavian men, having less N1c than Finns. Saami are 4 times more Mongoloid than Finns. Meanwhile Lithuanians also descend from proto-Finns and have 1% Mongoloid admixture so if anything Finns got Mongoloid DNA from absorbing Saami.
>>70931544
Not Y-Hg R, MtDNA-Hg-R
Confusing I know.
>>70931701
They are extreme examples. But I can look out my window and see similar :)
I'm like 15-20% Amerindian, what does that make me, Mestizo?
>>70931832
It seems apparent that Finns originally were mongoloid, and Sammi retained more of that, but Finnish mixed more with their neighbors.
>>70931768
The 8% are outliers from places like Lapland. Average is more like 5-6%. In this study about Indo-European origins, Finns are modeled as 9% Nganansan Samoyed, and Samoyeds are not purely Mongoloid but more like 2/3.
>>70931961
yep.
are you a cheap drunk?
>>70931868
I know that you were talking mtDNA, I just mentione Y-DNA R because if U5 is mongol because it's too new, than R is even more Mongol.
>They are extreme examples. But I can look out my window and see similar :)
That's because Russians are even more Mongoloid than Finns.
>>70932089
Ah OK, I like these EHG/ENC/WHG tests. Goes right back to the origins. Saved - thank you.
>>70932053
What? There is no such thing as "Finns" outside of Fennoscandia. Do you even know the etymology of the word?
I can't walk by a bike without the urge to steal it.
>>70931832
Which Haplogroup causes them to be mongoloid them?
>>70912962
>>70932107
>>70932053
>>70931868
For people of mixed race (50% race A, 50% race B) why do some people look strongly race A while others look race B? Say mexican/white, asian/white, black/white, etc.
>>70932053
I disagree with the idea that Saami are highly descended from Proto-Uralics. I think they partially descend from a late Mongoloid intrusion into NE Europe 3000 years ago completely unrelated to Uralic people. Saami have mitochondrial DNA links to Yukaghirs and Kets.
There is genetic evidence of this intrusion from a site called Bolshoy Oleny Ostrov. Uralic people probably have always had some Mongoloid admixture but I think it may have been even lower than in modern day Finns.
>>70926966
2,5% good guy
>>70932117
True, but I'm form North of St. Petersburg, very near Finland, so we share a lot of similarities.
You have to go back, Garcia.
>>70932089
Correct. Nganansans are not a pure or an ancient population. You can't even find a good proxy for the Finnish Siberian admixture because the population disappeared a long time ago. The Siberian you have in North Russians and Volga people is different from Finnish Siberian.
>>70932491
Finnics and Saamics show a huge amount of Central European influence that you won't find in the Volga populations. In fact, Saamis who live way further away from the Volgic populations share more with ancient Volgic people (Indo-Europeans) than the current ones.
Uralic speaking populations in Fennoscandia are horrible examples of anything Uralic.
>>70911224
One drop rule, Shitskin.
White???
>>70932604
Nortwest Russians share similarities with modern Finns not because of whatever Uralicness but because we are both from the same Corded Ware proximity.
>>70932375
I should say Finnic, I appolgise.
>>70932457
N1c
>>70932465
An explanation would take many pages :) You never really know which of your parents features you will inherit, and which will dominate, It's luck of the draw. Better not to risk it and not race mix. You all look like mutants.
>>70932491
Interesting theory. One of many though. Given N1c origins though and with higher percentage in Saami, the common theory makes sense to me.
>>70932986
I was asking the other mongol.
>>70932457
Haplogroups are subject to extinction and drift in small populations. We don't know what kind of Y-haplogroups were present there before proto-Finns and Scandinavians seeded the pre-Saamis. Maybe there was a ton of Q or something there.
>>70932795
Ever heard of Mordvins? They are pretty damn native to the region but also somewhat Central European shifted because of Corded Ware expansion eastwards. Mari, Udmurts and such are heavily mixed with Turkic tribes.
>>70932986
There was a 4500 BP N1c found in Smolensk Russia and by linguistic theories Uralic should not have been spoken there at that time. Don't count on it having much Mongoloid admixture. It's too they didn't do aDNA on it.
whitest in thread coming through
>>70933196
too bad*
>>70931098
None of the Russians I know look like that. And not just the ones I've seen here in the U.S
>>70932968
I have to disagree, I've been involved deeply in local DNA tests here and most people are Finnic N1c like 80% of men tested.
>>70932822
>Oleg Chanba
>white
Will i survive the day of the rope?
>>70933198
hello genghis
>>70913255
Eh they took samples of my shit in the Marines to see if I was an eligible bone marrow donor
I can't imagine them not having kept that shit anyways.
>>70932986
But Saami literally don't have any N1c of their own, it's all Finnish/Karelian from the last 3k years. I just can't believe Finnic people could have been >25% Mongoloid but lose almost all of it so quickly.
>>70933069
If I had to guess the ancient Lapplanders had Y-DNA Q, R and maybe even J. They were mixed with Motala hunter-gatherers and had tons of Siberian admixture before Proto-Saamics absorbed them.
>>70933294
The guy is Finnish. But thanks for your contribution burger.
>>70919291
Impossible
>>70933416
I think you have it backwards personally. Most studies agree. I think the N1c mongoloids that arrived (7000 years ago?) were already mixing with other tribes along the way and continued to do so.
>>70932986
Cool, genetics is interesting. Maybe I'll look into it in academic studies. Last question for now... what ethnic group do Ukrainians fall in?
>>70933444
Wha? I really doubt any R (indo European) or J (greek/semite) in lappland. Where do you get that from?
>>70931098
Besides this Russian chick is pretty good probably has some Asian
>>70933416
Also, Estonians have a wealth of N1c subclades unlike Latvians and Lithuanians who have mainly one subclade, yet Estonians aren't significantly more Mongoloid than them.
We would need some kind of massive gene flow strictly by women there to explain this paradox if we are assuming Finnic people had some absurd levels of Mongoloid admixture.
I think Proto-Finnics circa 500 BC were like 3% Mongoloid. Finns absorbed Saami and it went up a little while Estonians absorbed Indo-European speakers(Finns did too but not as many I think)and it went down a little.
>>70933776
No-one knows the admixture compositions from so far back. R goes back to Q too and becomes very eastern as well, but it's not relevant to modern genetics. Most people don't consider the Mal'ta boy as relevant to genetics as EHG's because Mal'ta boy's genome is too distant.
>>70934009
Look at the map you posted, Saami have both R1a and R1b and more than Finns.
>>70933950
Ukranians? Never heard of them. Just western Russians in denial. They are Slavs. There are also minority populations like Tatars (turkic).
>>70919572
You're nor wrong, people just don't want to admit reality
>>70911224
That's generally within the margin of error.
>>70934184
Interesting they have more than Finns. I assumed they picked it up along the way (Look at the Komis).
>>70934084
More than some i'd say.
>>70934489
Saami were morbidly inbred. If some Scandishit happened to impgregnate one of them the offpsring carried a higher chance of survival.
