Why is exactly Bernie a bad choice?
>Free Education
That's a great thing! It provides people with an opportunity to more up the social ladder.
>Break down the big banks
The banks are too in control with everyone's lives, from mortgages and car loans, and even student loans. Breaking them up creates better competition between the banks and lower rates for all.
>Tax Wall Street
These people use your money to speculate on stocks. That's a bad thing! They make money off the money of hard working people. And caused the great recession.
>Tax Rates on richer people
Sure the rich already pay 79% of taxes, but they still have millions more. They can easily pay a few more dollars to actually help the nation with better roads, bridges, etc.
>Healthcare for all
There's no reason why the US needs to succumb to the wishes of Insurance Companies. Pay the Doctors to fix people, and be done with it. There's no need to increase prices for everyone.
>Removal of medical patents
Completely stops the price gouging of medicine.
>End the War in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Syria
Stop Isis by killing them then protect the syrians that need to come over.
>End Fraking and produce more Solar power
The US is huge, use fucking Arizona to power the entire nation with Solar Panels.
Seriously, there's no reason to not vote for Bernie.
>>70895339
Because it isn't free. It's taxpayer paid. His proposed taxes would absolutely destroy anything we had left of the american dream. Try making it big when half your income is given to privileged college kids.
>>70895507
That's fine, these kids are paying into social security already. It's only fair for the working class to pay for their college.
It takes a village to raise a child.
>>70895339
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NdHtfKZ9iy8
>The US is huge,
>use fucking Arizona to power the entire nation with Solar Panels.
You quite literally refuted your plan in the same.sentence out of your pure ignorance of how electricity works marking yourself as an absolute fucking retard
>>70895598
>working class
>college
Choose one.
>>70895339
This is the third fucking post like this on the page, fuck off with your free education meme kike
because he's a cuck who can't stand up for himself and who would be a bigger embarassment to the USA than Justin Trudeau is to Canada. I would love free education and free healthcare but I can't stand his cuck character and his cuck supporters. If he had the same ideas with Trump's attitude he would be perfect to me."I will apologize for slavery if I'm elected president" are you kidding me? No way I will ever support this kind of candidate who has to apologize for things that happened centuries ago just to appeal to minorities.
>>70895598
It takes one man to raise a child.
None of it is fair, we should be breaking down the tax systems that disenfranchise the people, not propping up more in the name of fairness.
>>70895339
>these people are using our money to speculate
They're only using our money because the government forces us to invest in shit like 401ks les we get jewed into oblivion.
The only reason college is nessicary os because government education is complete crap
Using the government to force people to give money to the government to solve problems the government created in the first place is fucking retarded.
>>70895507
Want some new perspectives? Go read "The Law" by Frederic Bastiat. What you are proposing is nothing short of stealing from everyone to give to everyone. Taxation was never meant to be such a goddamned burden, and whatever policies make it that way should be repealed.
>>70895339
If he plans on giving us all the same benefits, and not in some skewed affirmative action manner, I would be more willing to accept him. Most socialist Jewish politicians have huge turds in their policy punch bowls.
>>70895910
Also I mean look at his fucking face for a second. For fuck's sake, this guy looks like he would die of a heart attack if he had to go and negotiate with Putin or the Chinese. You can feel it in his voice that he's literally about to die. LOOK AT HIS SMILE. Tell me this man wouldn't enjoy seeing his wife get fucked by a nigger. Everyone can agree on that. And why the fuck does he always do that stupid gesture with his hand EVERY SINGLE TIME he says something(pic related). His haircut makes him look like a fucking mad scientist. Did you see those logos they make for him and put on shirts? His whole campaign is a fucking joke, don't get me started on his supporters. He's going against Hillary and he BARELY attacks her. FUCKING HILLARY! There's so much dirt to her name. He's that much of a little pussy. If Trump was in Bernie's place he would have fucking made Hillary consider suicide by now. Trump has like fucking 3-4 rallies a day and finishes it off with a press conference and if I'm not mistaken, he's older than Bernie. That's what you call High fucking energy. Bernie cannot compete. He is just too weak for his ideas to convince me to support him. He is a beta cuck and it's not surprise all his supporters are also beta cucks. Give me a break with this fucking jew already.
he thinks the wagegap exists
he thinks blacks deserve reparations for slavery
he wants to give amnesty to illegals
also
>Break down the big banks
when he got asked about this at a rally he skipped the question. He doesn't even know what this means.
>>70895339
>>Free Education
>That's a great thing! It provides people with an opportunity to more up the social ladder.
It's not free dumbfuck. You think college professors will work for "free"? If professors worked for free there would be zero quality in the lectures they taught because skilled people do not work for "free". Your making people who paid to go to college pay taxes so your bitch ass can go for free what they paid tens of thousands of dollars for - I don't think so. Nice fantasy land.
>It provides people with an opportunity to more up the social ladder.
It already does this. Go to college faggot.
>>Break down the big banks
The price of mortgage, car loans, and even student loans would raise exponentially because that would be that banks' sole source of income. They currently keep loan costs lower because they also take profits from other parts of their business.
You don't even know how a basic business model works. Again, go to college faggot.
>>Tax Wall Street
So you won't have a 401k and zero way of saving for retirement? Fucking a you are dumb.
>>Tax Rates on richer people
>Sure the rich already pay 79% of taxes, but they still have millions more. They can easily pay a few more dollars to actually help the nation with better roads, bridges, etc.
This is the most Jewish thing I have ever heard. Implement supply chain management on road construction, just saved billions right there. You don't have a revenue problem, you have a spending problem.
Again go to college faggot.
>>Healthcare for all
>There's no need to increase prices for everyone.
Yet the Affordable Care Act (obamacare) has done... exactly that.
>>Removal of medical patents
Then all privately funded medical research would stop overnight. Congrats we have zero defence from future strains of diseases.
>Stop Isis by killing them then protect the syrians that need to come over.
>>70895339
and just like bernie, OP has failed to say how to actually achieve any of these ambitions goals.
Socialist need to Google the laffer's curve and international markets
>>70895910
You supporting Justin
>The US is huge, use fucking Arizona to power the entire nation with Solar Panels.
This is the dumbest thing I've read on here in a week
Nothing is free stupid kid.
Someone will have to pay for your time spent skipping class to smoke weed.
If anything I believe tuition should go up to thin out the major changers and the stupid entitled douchebags to make room for the kids who actually try and value education. Those who can't afford it can get grants and loans like they always did. The rest of you get to fucking work.
>>70896593
I won't need to save for retirement. Expanded social security will happen under Sanders due to the bigger wall street taxes.
>>70896592
>when he got asked about this at a rally he skipped the question. He doesn't even know what this means.
I'm by far not a Bernie supporter - I hate that clown. But I assume he is talking about implementing Glass-Steagal which would break up the investment branches (a la Merril Lynch) from the retail banking branch (a la Bank of America), so they can't use your checking account balances to invest in Wall Street.
I don't know how I feel about that, it makes sense but then again it would never have prevented the 2008 financial crisis.
But it's ridiculous that the idea is even limited to "big banks", realistically it would make more sense to enforce Glass-Steagal on insurance companies because when you pay your car/home/life insurance premiums Allstate, StateFarm, Geico, etc, all take that money and invest it in stocks. You all didn't really think that insurance companies put your premiums in a piggy bank for you later, did you?
>>70895339
>Free Education
>That's a great thing! It provides people with an opportunity to more up the social ladder.
The best people will already do this. I agree there needs to be some regulation on universities as they are run by greedy kikes that have driven the costs up incessantly for decades. But free university is absolutely INSANE. Do you remember how many retards attended your FREE high school? Do you remember how they didn't take it seriously? This is just having the taxpayer funding retards going to university to slack off, do drugs, and get laid. You think people won't go to college even if they have no direction or ambition? That ALREADY happens and it costs an arm and a leg!
>protect the syrians that need to come over
None of them should be coming over, and our government should be forcefully preventing this from happening. We don't need ANY of them, and our house is not in order so we have no business wasting ANY resources on people that aren't already citizens.
>end frakking and use solar power
He also wants to limit nuclear energy, which is completely fucking retarded.
>>70896870
Right, and how will you get social security when no one needs to work to pay for your social security?
Social Security is already bankrupt - it's not even going to be around when you're ready for retirement. Sanders has zero way to fund social security yet wants to increase spending on it
Get a got damn job, save up your fucking money - that's your fucking social security. Quit depending on the government to take care of you ya baby back bitch
>>70895339
>free education
we did this, it got us where we are now. Please don't fuck up just 50 years after your grandparents fucked up
Could someone please post an image of Bernie with the fuck my shit up haircut and blood shot eyes. A friend of mine has been asking about it and I can't find it anywhere. Come on bros.
>>70897171
Sorry only got trump!
>>70895339
>""""""""""""""""""free""""""""""""""""""""
If you don't vote for Trump the terrorists win. Why do you hate America?
>you not wanting to pay for retards to drop out again, but on your dime this time makes you the bad guy
>>70895339
>>Free Education
it's not free, someone else has to pay for it
I need the Bernie version if anyone's holding
Also solar panels aren't particularly reliable. They have low energy times, such as night time and storms, and utility companies often use non-renewable means to meet demands like firing up a jet engine as a generator.
>>70897786
Add wind and hydro to it then. The environment is fucked. And Bernie is the only one that sees this
>>70897863
>Add wind and hydro to it then. The environment is fucked.
Yes, let's kill the migratory birds and salmon.
Fucking libtard logic. Bitch, do you even know how windmills and dams work? They fuck with animals worse than ANY other power source - by far.
the shills are not in hiding.
>1 post
>pro bernie
>idiotic questions and statements
no thank you
>>70898200
whoah whoah.
>check flag
a socialist not supporting a socialist, what gives?
>>70898024
We don't want a Chernobyl or fukishima those really Fuck us up.
>>70895339
Fulfilling my solemn duty as someone with a functioning brain and warning the thread:
1. Bernie's shit cannot be funded:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=661pi6K-8WQ
2. He is a leftist authoritarian who wants more obese black women with clipboards in your life, approves of breadlines, and thinks repression of free association/expression are good values for a nation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrcHgTNOuyo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJBjjP8WSbc
http://reason.com/blog/2016/02/29/bernie-sanders-support-dictatorship
>inb4 buh trump is wurse lol1!!!111
Not arguing that, just saying the emperor has no clothes here. Bernie wants just as many (probably more) boots on your neck than mean old Donald.
>>70896593
You have a couple fair points, but the rest of your rebuttal is fucking retarded. The way you answer this post shows you haven't even the slightest clue of how complicated these issues are. Do us all a favor and just concentrate on graduating high school, come back after 10 years in the real fucking world you twit.
>>70898268
yeah, yeah. i, and others, have said this so many times before: socialism in scandinavia worked because of a small, nationalistic, and hard working society.
immigrants and globalism has kept making it worse, and in 20 years we will be in so much debt we will become third world.
or a caliphate.
![trump1[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/dqpI2kr.jpg "trump1[1].jpg")
>>70895339
>Free Education
Free(tm) = 100% taxpayer subsidised.
It's a waste of money for me to pay for 1000 gender studies degrees or French literature degrees also university becoming common place will devalue a degree even more and make it a necessity to enter the workforce.
>Break down the big banks
How is he going to do that? By what means does he break up a private company and how would it not be totalitarianism? The best way to end the big banks is to stop crony capitalism and government protection of them and allow other banks to compete with them.
>Tax Wall Street
>Tax Rates on richer people
Every tax dollar that goes towards the government is a dollar not spent employing someone. Taxing businesses too much weakens them, weakening employment opportunities.
>Healthcare for all
I actually support universal healthcare, because I live in a country where it works. Not sure if it would work in America due to welfare abuse by niggers though.
>Removal of medical patents
>Completely stops the price gouging of medicine.
It also disincentives the creation of new medicines.
>End the War in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Syria
We have no business in the Syrian civil war, but we are already at war with ISIS. It isn't a war we asked for, but it's war that has been declared on us and we have been attacked. ISIS needs to be destroyed.
>End Fraking and produce more Solar power
why_not_both.jpg and let the market decide which is more viable.
>>70898313
If we keep working on nuclear power, it gets us closer to fusion, which is ultimatley what humanity desperatley needs.
>>70898313
>Chernobyl or fukishima those really Fuck us up.
Geothermal fag, oh wait - bernie doesn't wanna frack :(
Guess you're stuck with steam power, cuck.
>>70895339
/pol/ hates him because liberals like him. Bernie really is the most red-pilled candidate except for the European-tier programs he wants.
>>70895339
>Implying that poor people matter.
>>70898438
>claims i know nothing about the issues
>proceed to make zero points on the issues
Nice ad hominem and red herring fuckwad, try harder next time.
>>70896910
I work for one of those big insurance companies, and it makes $.02 for every premium dollar.
>>70895339
Please tell me this is satire
>>70898681
It invests the premiums once they have them. They are taking $0.02 commission on every premium dollar. They take the remaining $0.98, invest it and profit off the gains before selling to payoff claims.
You do realize he's only promising all of this so he can collect campaign donations from gullible College students so when he doesn't make the nomination he can retire into the sunset
The DNC will never play ball with this nutjob
>>70898677
>>70898438
this is higher quality:
>>70898563
based aussie.
>>70895507
>Because it isn't free. It's taxpayer paid. His proposed taxes would absolutely destroy anything we had left of the american dream.
Here's a breakdown of how he's paying for his policies:
https://berniesanders.com/issues/how-bernie-pays-for-his-proposals/
And here's a calculator to see how much universal healthcare could save or cost your family:
http://berniecare.org/
>>70898350
>says Obama care couldn't be funded
It's actually being funded and thriving now.
Explain
>>70896659
Is that a question or a statement or are you a shit poster?
>>70898821
>And here's a calculator to see how much universal healthcare could save or cost your family:
I don't pay anything now, because my employer pays for it 100% because I'm a skilled laborer - try it sometime. Universal healthcare would raise my taxes, forcing me to pay more. I pay nothing now, I don't want to pay more.
>>70898563
>Australia is at war with ISIS
Since when?
>>70898821
>https://berniesanders.com/issues/how-bernie-pays-for-his-proposals/
>Wall Street Speculation tax
This kills the stock market. How do you "tax" speculation, an intangible figure? You cannot tax an intangible figure dipcucks. Learn to economics. I can't tax you on $1,000,000 because you don't even have $1,000,000. Even though you don't have $1,000,000 pay up on the taxes for it. Fuck you guys are idiots.
>>70898821
I have read that first link several times now, and in a thread about a week or two ago, I answered every single point made.
Just about 70% of the money will come from plugging up ''loopholes'': which isn't possible. There are shills, not unlike yourself, in congress, greedy buisness men in corporations, and globalist jews everywhere else. They simply cannot be plugged up by a pres. such a Sanders. He will be opposed by everyone with money.
Another 20% of the money comes from taxing the rich. Note, that ''rich'' means something different to a Bernie Sanders supporter than it does to everyone else. Tax Bill Gates all you want. But those who earn, lets say 40% more than the average should not be taxed so much, which they will under Sanders, that their bonus becomes nonexistant.
The remaining 10% comes from taxing the general populace. And taxing them are always bad.
>70895339
>Free Education
>"""""""""""""free"""""""""""" Education
>Break down the big banks
>Tax Wall Street
>Tax Rates on richer people
Oh yeah, why would be shooting yourself on the foot a bad thing? Ask France, they tried this. All the rich people took their money to Switzerland. Now they are fucked and they have to embrace austerity. The "richer people will pay for it" meme doesn't work.
>End the War in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Syria
A pointless promise. That's like promising a world without poverty and misery. Shit will always happen. Also, everyone is already trying to stop ISIS.
>Healthcare for all
I don't know how the American system works. But healthcare is one of the biggest businesses in the world. Insurance companies won't just give up.
>inb4 companies’ opinion doesn't matter
Yeah, ask gun companies. How's your gun ban going? Believe it or not, they have a lot of political power.
>Removal of medical patents
I kinda agree here. American patent system is a bit fucked. You can patent shit that shouldn't be allowed.
>End Fraking and produce more Solar power
Nuclear power>>>>>>>Meme Panels and this is not even debatable.
>>70898677
>try harder next time
Yeah I'll put as much effort into my posts as you do. I dont waste time educating idiots.
>>70895339
no such thing as a free lunch, commie
>/pol/ is taking b8 yet again
I'm not even mad
>>70899043
The entire western world is at war with them. I'm not Australian, but did you miss when an ISIS operative took hostages in a Sydney cafe?
>>70899154
Yes
>>70895339
>Free education
College is worth something now because people commit to it. Sure, free college may sound nice, but there's a few problems: mainly, the lack of professors and school infrastructure would lead to overcrowding of campuses, and wait-time for classes would become supremely long.
>Break down big banks
Again, sounds great in theory. But without adequate preparation and regulation, breaking up big banks would launch us into another recession, since our economy has become "built up" around them for a while now. Going back so suddenly could actually be worse for us.
>Tax Wall Street
Fair enough, wall street businesses are still businesses.
>Tax rates on richer people
Yes, the rich have a lot of money, we get it already. But taking tax rates any higher could be bad, as seen in the Laffer curve. I'm not sure of the exact numbers for the curve percentages in the U.S. for the top 1% of earners, but I'd imagine we're pretty close to peaking out already.
>Healthcare for all
Again, problem with current infrastructure. We lack the capacity for such a large reform in such a short amount of time.
>Removal of medical patents
No, but I'd approve of the government claiming certain widely used drugs for public benefit, just like they use eminent domain to claim land. There'd have to be regulations, but I think the patents should stay for a couple years before becoming public domain.
>End the War in Iraq, etc.
Ending the conflict without fixing the problems will end up coming back to bite us later down the line. We should just finish what we've started there as insurance.
>More solar power
Solar power is in-feasible as of now simply due to the lack of advancements in battery technology. For instance, although solar panels everywhere may sound good in theory, without a way to save excess energy for use during nighttime, the investment would be wasted. The costs of renewable energy are too high to be usable, so I'm fine with investing into research on it for now.
>>70899104
>I dont waste time educating idiots.
Still haven't argued a single point I made in my original, detailed post.
>I'm a Bernie supporter so I don't have to explain anything.
Yes, we know you cucks are delusional.
>>70895339
>lower rates for all
How much lower do you want them Senpai?
>>70899104
Man you are delusional. The other guy was clear on his points and made a reasonable rebuttal while you're sitting on your ass saying nothing but "y-you're wrong!"
Go kill yourself you fucking autistic faggot.
>>70899318
he is a
le baiter from le reddits xD
>>70899239
Good post.
>>70899466
>>70899644
Got 2 dubs in a row
That means OP is a fag. Prove me wrong.
>>70895507
I already pay over a third of my paycheck to state and federal taxes by the time its spent, and all i see for it is crumbling roads, a tunnel to nowhere under alaskan way, and US weapons in the hands of muslim terrorists.
I'd probably rather it go to educating and providing healthcare to my countrymen, even if they are degenerate cucks
I guess by the way this thread is going, everyone is just fine and dandy with the status quo and special intrests running everything. Good to know. Have fun with Herr Trump.
>>70895339
>The US is huge, use fucking Arizona to power the entire nation with Solar Panels.
God damnit I was hoping to make it through the list without getting triggered
No, solar energy is absolutely nowhere near as effective as you think it is
Also solar panels are nowhere near as cheap as being able to cover an entire state in them plus they only ever work at best about half the time because they require sunlight
>>70898563
It would be great if you knew anything about taxes, mate.
>thinking statutory rates are the same as actual rates
>current year
Jesus Christ.
>>70895339
don't worry anon. Unlike all the Trump sills here, I already voted and I'm phone banking every day. It's rare we get a politician like Bernie running for president. It might be our last chance to fix democracy. I have a good feeling he will win.
>>70902013
>I'm phone banking every day
Because you don't have a job.
>>70902230
i work 40 hours a week
Trump >> Bernie >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cruz/Hillary
Trump is the best choice by far but I would gladly take Bernie over Shillary Clinton or Ted "Dildo Banner" Cruz.
>>70902311
Nice use of that gif. Bernout confirmed.
>>70902651
ok Trumpfag
