Was is a false flag attack?
>>70893874
no. Timothy's motives were pure, but his execution was nigger-tier retarded for going after a building full of civilians
Just another right-wing gun nut white male doing what they love to do most. When will it stop?
>>70894082
Uh, on April 21st 1995?
>>70893983
True, and Baal was sated this day.
NOW HE NEEDS MORE!
>>70893983
>civilians
>gov employees
>gov kills kids at waco and ruby ridge
>cries when kids get killed in retaliation
they set the rules of engagement first.
Yes
It's still in the courts though
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2007/07/search-john-doe-no-2-story-feds-never-told-about-oklahoma-city-bombing
tl:dr
>unidentified accomplice was an FBI informant
>to this day a lawsuit is still in the court system because the cops "suicided" a look alike
crazy shit
>>70894358
Here's the lookalike that got "suicided"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_Michael_Trentadue
>>70893983
This. Going after civilians and killing kids ain't cool unless they're brown.
>>70893874
Its a damn shame he didn't target a BATFE building instead.
>>70894416
have you seen the man on the right?
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2011/04/confession_of_the_oklahoma_cit.html
If so he's probably an FBI agent
Twenty years later and the FBI still refuses to release the survellaince tape from the building across the street.
I won't go so far as to say it's a false flag, but there was definitely something going on that they don't want us to know.
>>70894538
interviews with the "suicided" guy's brother
http://scotthorton.org/tag/jesse-trentadue/
>>70894538
That guy was ARA.
>>70893874
yes and no...
>no, it was a real attack by timmy and he was truly anti-government
>yes, because he and the other dude received help from middle eastern men (CIA) to help with knowledge to construct and build the bomb. The ploy back then was to squash the anti-government aka freedom groups back in the 90s. There was huge backlash from ruby ridge, waco, etc. Once Timmy figured out he was setup by the CIA arabs, he waved all rights and wanted to be put to death asap.
>>70894358
>>70894416
>>70894538
lol wtf, just checked out that article.
So they caught the wrong guy, then suicided him?
For what purpose?
>to pin it on him?
>>70893874
But of course
There is no such thing as a terrorist attack because it's impossible for a human to kill another human. Islam is the religion of peace, and there are no such thing as mentality unstable people.
Every "attack" is a false flag. No one has ever been killed in these attacks. They are all lies.
Remember, Islam is the religion of peace.
>>70894313
>>gov kills kids at waco and ruby ridge
>>cries when kids get killed in retaliation
>
>they set the rules of engagement first.
WTF kind of logic is that?
What is scarier a couple of lone wolves blew up a building or a massive conspiracy involving US and foreign government operatives?
>>70894776
>>70894668
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>>70894857
Partisan logic I suppose.
>>70894949
Actually of all the CTs I have entertained in my frontal lobes over the years the ARA one has the most validity.
>>70894857
That the government was the first to kill the kids of survivalist communities/gun owners.
Therefore the kids of gov agents are also fair game.
Is what I think his logic is.
>>70894857
step 1. gov kills innocent kids at ruby ridge
step 2. gov kills innocent kids at waco
step 3. rules of engagement now set, kids are targets
step 4. mcveigh kills gov agents kids
step 5. gov cries muh kids
that kind of logic
>>70894683
>he waved all rights and wanted to be put to death asap.
Why? Because he was so ashamed that he was played as a pawn by the very government that he hated? Or did he worry the CIA was going to get hold of him? Or some other reason?
>>70894864
What would a neckbeard find more interesting?
>>70894769
>For what purpose?
He knew "something" he shouldn't have.
But we'll never know because we'll never see those surveillance tapes.
>liberals have to reach way back to the mid 90s when citing white terrorism
>>70895012
Lotta blacks in there as well.
http://carolmoore.net/waco/waco-victims.html
>>70893874
looks like crisis actors before they were even trying
>>70895082
But did they not arrest an innocent lookalike, how would he have known anything? Am I being retarded?
>>70895075
I dunno man. Moe cartoons?
>>70893874
>re-reading the timothe mcveigh wikipedia page and realizing he and I have extremely similar life experiences and political views
>>70895104
Wasn't 90's culture terrorism enough?
>>70895158
Mcveigh spoke on it. He though that they thought the guy they killed looked like Guthrie (who committed suicide later)
>>70895158
they thought it was someone else
the real guy ended up suicded as well. What are the odds right? Two guys who look the same end up killing themselves in police custody in the same 24 hour period in the same part of OK
>>70895235
You were radicalized during Desert Storm because you felt the US government was mean?
One of their own monsters
too bad Clinton wouldnt markup some muslims for him to shoot so he'd get his blood.
>>70895311
Hahaha that is so tragically hilarious. Some guy gets caught up in a government conspiracy and hanged because he looks like an agent they were about to kill.
>>70895299
>>70895311
So was Guthrie shitting himself when he discovered his doppleganger was hanged?
If Guthrie was an agent himself, imagine the betrayal of being used and sacrificed. When he thought he was one of the spooky secret agents, he was really just an expendable pawn.
>>70895311
The ARA were fucking fascinating. A son of a CIA officer who was raised in Vietnam turned tarp and a drunk navy dude who hit massive amounts of banks and never killed anyone.
They should make a movie about those guys.
>>70895057
>Why? Because he was so ashamed that he was played as a pawn by the very government that he hated?
bingo
>>70895104
That's why they've recently expanded "terrorism" to be any act of violence regardless of motive or method. They need school shootings and workplace violence to make white people look bad, because we just aren't raping or robbing enough relative to the blacks and browns.
>>70895546
Guthrie was just a dude who liked eating at buffets and stealing cars and robbing banks.
Kinda a fun guy tbqfh.
>>70895029
But they are completely unrelated. most of the kids were of HUD and SSN workers.
>Canada bombs kids in Afghanistan
>settle the score by killing your mailman's kids?
>>70895057
Im confused by this also, why would he not live and expose the government?
>>70894313
>>70895359
afghanistan, but close enough
>>70895659
For once you're right, Canada.
>>70895691
>implying anyone would believe him
>>70895649
Was Guthrie an agent?
Commander Pedro and Pavell were the real masked face of the hardcore Militia movement.
Not boyscouts.
>>70894683
I thought Hunter or some other book had the instructions in it.
>>70895659
a gov agent, is a gov agent. doesn't matter what letters they use.
>>70895057
>Yfw the US government is the patriots
>>70895807
He was a sometimes CI. But he played the government as many do. (see cumbajohnny for a more recent example)
>>70895012
The daycare was a private company. Anyone who in the area who found it convenient could take their kids there.
>>70893874
For what purpose?
All that happened us Clinton signed a bill that speed up executions and you can no longer bulk buy fertilizer as easily.
Damn the government sure showed those farmers.
>>70893874
Of course it was. Tim McVeigh was a CIA asset. The reason his "execution" was done so quickly was so he could continue with his life working for the CIA under a new name.
The records for Whitewater, Ruby Ridge and Waco were ALL in that building. All those records were destroyed which ended all those investigations.
All the security cameras were taken by the ATF around the neighborhood. All those tapes were 'accidently' destroyed.
There were people at the local Denny's Restaurant that said Tim McVeigh would meet with Iraqi men.
After the bombing he was pulled over for driving a car without a license plate. If he had really just done that terrorist act would he have meekly allowed himself to be arrested even though he was armed?
The FBI and ATF were NOT in the building when the bomb went off. The wife of the top ATF official was in charge of the day care. She "retired" less then a month before this happened.
The building was quickly condemned and destroyed and all the materials were quickly smelted down and reused as fast as possible. This was to prevent anyone from wondering if there was actually a bomb from inside and not this fake "fertilizer" bomb that went off.
This was just one of many inside jobs leading up to 9-11. Makes me wonder what else is going to happen as an inside job.
>>70896010
some kids are more innocent then others
2 legs good, 4 legs bad
>>70894668
>That guy was ARA.
What does ARA stand for? I'm having troubling with Google - only finding like "Anti-Racist Action" and "Armenian Revolutionary Army"
>>70893874
>Literal Gomer Pyle
>Buys an assload of ammonium nitrate
>Keeps receipt
>Buys racing fuel
>Keeps receipt
>Rents Ryder truck
>Uses his own name
>Blows up building
>Gets caught by State trooper just outside of town.
>Surrenders without a fight
>Trooper said Timmy looked out dazed, and confused
Totes not a false flag guyz
>>70893874
Our own Air Force explosives lab said that there was no way a U-Haul of fertilizer did that and the head of the FBI crime lab resigned in disgust over interference with evidence. Most of the case comes from Oklahoma City residents who formed an organization and made a doc, Noble Lie.
So yeah, just losers in basements.
>>70894313
Everyone forgets "blair mtn" too. Feds started this shit first.
>>70895659
>But they are completely unrelated.
And the kids at the Mt. Carmel Center had nothing to do with the (alleged, never proven) child abuse and unpapered machine guns.
But the feds still roasted them anyway. And then raised their flag over the smoldering rubble and posed for photos.
I don't agree with McVeigh's actions (they were ultimately counterproductive) but he wasn't psychotic like the media portrayed him. He had a line of logic. It may have been extreme, but it was still a line of logic.
>>70893874
Our own Air Force explosives lab said that there was no way a U-Haul of fertilizer did that and the head of the FBI crime lab resigned in disgust over interference with evidence. Most of the case comes from Oklahoma City residents who formed an organization and made a doc, Noble Lie.
So yeah, just losers in basements.
Fucking capcha.
Can we all agree that the bombing and killing was wrong? Regardless of who you believe did it?
>>70896175
aryian revolutionary army
>>70893874
Clinton work.
>>70896175
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9ebd7pNVIw
>>70896186
HE HATED AMERICA AND INNOCENT CHILDRENS
Hillary told Vince Foster to get Waco off the news. Bill signed special forces orders and Janet Reno helped.
Oklahoma city was in retaliation for Hillary killing women and children who just wanted to go to heaven.
>>70895719
What did you see.
Take me to the world inside your eyes.
>false flag
a bird flew into my window this morning, was it a false flag? Take off the tinfoil hats and focus on things that actually matter
>>70894358
>3 prisoners found hung that were related to the case
Yea, it definitely wasn't a murder.
>>70893874
No. You can tell because the only noticeable change the government made using OKC as an excuse was the buying and storage of ammonium nitrate and nitromethane.
If anything, OKC got the feds to fuck off with their made-for-TV raids. Clinton and his crew found out that there is a price for acting like thugs.
>>70894358
>>70894416
>>70894606
Came here to post this
Ken Trentadue is a real American hero
>>70896223
Might as well kill random Americans then using that line of "logic", as American citizens pay the salary of these evil, evil government agents, vote for the politicians who appoint their bosses and are every bit as culpable.
>>70895887
dig for the stories anon.. there were reports he and the other dude met with arabs
There's too many search results on Google. What's ARA?
>>70896547
Jayna Davis is a moron and knows nothing about shit from the days.
>>70893874
read about the third man theory
>>70896099.
>The building was quickly condemned and destroyed and all the materials were quickly smelted down and reused as fast as possible. This was to prevent anyone from wondering if there was actually a bomb from inside and not this fake "fertilizer" bomb that went off.
There was no "fake" bomb. Believe whatever government shit you want, but everything adds up engineering wise for the front of the building collapse.
The building was built with a large overhang and the entire front of the building was supported just enough to stand. There was very weak support actually physically under the front of the building. When a bomb hit it, it fell hard because it was built with form over function in mind. It was a completely unacceptable design by today's standards.
There's no conspiracy on that end.
>>70896471
You completely missed the point.
The kids at Waco had nothing to do with anything, their parents had nothing to do with any crimes, and they got killed by the feds. They were just unlucky enough to be tangentially associated with David Koresh.
The kids at the Murrah building had nothing to do with anything, their parent's had nothing too do with any crimes, and McVeigh killed them. They were just unlucky enough to be tangentially associated with the power brokers in the FBI.
He was highlighting the heinousness of their actions by sending it right back at them. An eye for an eye. Revenge at it's most basic level.
Again, I'm not saying it was *right*. I think it was wrong.
But it wasn't random.
>>70896099
The FBI didn't have an office in that building to begin with. Their office was in a tower across the street from the mall like 4 miles away. I really want to know about the management change at the daycare though. I've heard people were mad about it and some pulled their kids out. Just a rumor though.
>>70896457
>only noticeable change
What the serious fuck, nigger
1st. Just because you have your head in your ass and don't "notice" what the government does as a response is hardly basis for saying thereally was no effective change and
2nd, your statement isn't even remotely fucking true. Clinton passed a huge bill on antiterrorism and police state powers advancement that was waiting on the shelves for this just like the patriot act some years later. Five fucking seconds on Google would tell you this but you are obviously more interested in espousing your ignorant bliss bullshit than the truth of the issue.
People like you need to go under the fucking wheels, I swear to god.
>>70896390
Thing man, and some stuff
>>70896736
>>70896099
It also wasn't reused. There's a special dedicated landfill for it next to the regular one.
>>70894313
why wouldn't they just exit a burning building?
>>70896823
That is exactly it "Dirty for dirty".
It was a cold and calculated response.
No heroes. No tinfoil. No nothing. A horrible footnote in American history during a dark time.
>>70897065
What was your MOS?
>>70897108
why didnt the kids in OKC just move to the back of the building that didnt get blown up, or just stay home that day?
>>70897181
combat engineer
>>70897281
MOS please.
>>70897305
fbi pls go
>>70897347
Far far from it.
>>70896823
I'm not missing the point.
Killing random Americans wouldn't be random killings either because random Americans are every bit as tangentially associated with the power brokers in the FBI as the janitor at the Murrah building.
That's the logical conclusion of declaring war on American institutions. Once you've justified the targeted killing of some innocent Americans, you've just justified the targeting killing of all innocent Americans. You can't just draw a line around the entire government and pretend it's somehow separate and fair game.
>>70897379
atf?
>>70897413
I am not and have never been a government employee.
>>70897487
ok mr cia
>>70896998
First off, you dumb scandi shit, I live here. You don't.
There were no noticeable changes in life after OKC concerning policing, unless you sold/used ammonium nitrate or nitromethane.
Some government buildings, usually the Feds, had increased security. There was nothing else, and that anti-terrorism bill is mostly toothless, and politicians ALWAYS use excuses like these to get certain laws passed.
The Patriot Act was the first terrorism law in recent history to actually pose a noted change to citizens. I remember how little people grieved for the Feds and the victims after it happened, due to the shit the feds kept pulling with their raids. I personally cannot remember anyone in my life who decried McVeigh's actions. The news and feds did.
Tim McVeigh was a guy with a good plan but as usual when you're a visionary you surround yourself with morons.
>>70897487
>we wuz good gubment
>didnt kill dem kids in waco
>they did it themselves we was just trying to send em pizza
>>70897559
RIFK.
I am a security researcher.
So that puts me at odds with the gov don't it?
>>70897487
Hahaha CIA, come on now.
>>70895957
>Yfw the US government is the patriots
>>70894416
>His death was ruled a suicide.[1][2] Trentadue's family maintains that he was murdered by the FBI themselves[1] and that officials at the prison engaged in a cover-up.[1] Oklahoma City's chief medical examiner, Fred Jordan, said of Trentadue that it was "very likely he was murdered."[3
>It is contended that Trentadue was mistaken for Richard Lee Guthrie Jr., a member of the Aryan Republican Army, members of which were thought to have associated with McVeigh, and were the subject of FBI investigation. The two men shared a strong physical resemblance – they were the same height, weight, and build, both had thick mustaches, and both had dragon tattoos on their left arm.[4] Both are thought to have resembled the description of "John Doe 2", the never-apprehended possible third conspirator in the bombing along with McVeigh and Terry Nichols. Less than one year after Trentadue's death, Guthrie would also be found dead in his prison cell, the day before he was scheduled to give a television interview.[4] His death was ruled a suicide by hanging.[7]
>In 1999, Alden Gillis Baker – an inmate who had been imprisoned in Oklahoma City's Federal Transfer Center at the same time as Trentadue – came forward to volunteer to testify that he had witnessed Trentadue's murder. According to FBI documentation, the authenticity of which is vigorously disputed by the Department of Justice, Baker was even sharing a cell with Trentadue on the night of his death. In December 1999, Baker reported to a lawyer that he feared for his life. In August 2000, he was found dead in his cell. His death was ruled a suicide by the coroner's office. Trentadue family attorneys pointed out that Baker's hanging was "...pretty incredible because he's the only witness who really came forward and said he saw the guards go in there and murder Kenneth."[8]
kek
>be American
>get hanged
>>70896237
It's insane reading up on what was going on in Oklahoma's government during those years.
>>70893874
>1 post OP
>>70897648
>>70897823
It's always insane. But I was three at the time. Anything interesting you would like to share? I think in Behold A Pale Horse. It talks about how some politicians in the state wanted people to register every little thing they owned so it could be taxed.
>>70897775
>Hanged
FINALLY! Someone uses the proper term. Too bad it's a fucking leaf
>>70894513
>http://scotthorton.org/tag/jesse-trentadue/
Do we know any of the other targets he scouted before he picked OKC?
>>70897775
>As the three ran back to the house, Horiuchi fired again at Kevin Harris as he ran away, but this time hit Weaver's wife Vicki in the head as she held their 10-month-old daughter Elishiba at the door
>'Vicki, we have blueberry pancakes.' To Sara Weaver inside with her dead mother's body, they were deliberately taunting the survivors
>be American
>be set up by the government by being told the wrong court date
>have wife and child murdered
>>70897603
>danish flag he must be danish
You are talking to an American and I'm probably twice your age too at that you stupid little shit.
Why should I even bother reading your arguments at this point? I know for a fact that you are wrong on the issue (dangerously so), and you have clearly shown that you are a moron on top of being wrong.
Why don't you go play in some traffic, kid.
>>70898102
Supposedly that was the only one. The Agents that did Waco were supposedly based out of there.
>>70894313
which department was this one working for, faggot
>>70894313
>>70894857
>>70894955
>>70895029
Jihadist logic
>>70898241
>edly that was the only one. The Agents that did Waco were supposedly based out of there.
Odd because Dallas has a BATFE office these days. Don't know if they did then.
>>70896142
4 legs good, 2 legs better
>>70897405
>because random Americans are every bit as tangentially associated with the power brokers in the FBI as the janitor at the Murrah building.
If you're just going to be pedantic there's no point in having this conversation.
>That's the logical conclusion of declaring war on American institutions. Once you've justified the targeted killing of some innocent Americans, you've just justified the targeting killing of all innocent Americans.
It's not 'war' and they're not 'random'.
>>70898054
I've just been reading about what was going on and what influenced Timothy to carry out the attack.
There were so many faulty investigations and suspected cover ups.
>>70898354
>Jihadist logic
Chair Force logic too
>>70893874
Here's a link seeing how you can't google anything. Again, just because this draconian bill didn't noticeably impact you or your shit lord friends on the playground, doesn't mean it didn't have serious effects on the US political system. You honestly think they need thousands of pages of legislation just to ban fertiliser? Obviously that's not all it did you dumb little fuck.
http://edition.cnn.com/US/9604/24/anti-terrorism/
>>70898276
>an appeal to emotion has been made
sorry agent dickbreath, but you started it.
Tell me again which arbitrary law did these kids commit to be burned to death by your precious agents of the state?
>>70896736
Yeah guys. Get your facts right
>>70896823
Using this logic, McVeigh should have allowed the FBI to go on their merry way, killing all those tangentially related tax payers. They were doing his work for him
Who can build a bomb that big without some BIG help?
>>70898865
you're a terrorist sympathizer. nobody needs to answer your dumb questions. false equivalence. the unintended infliction of death while conducting lawful duties of the state is not the same as the terrorist attack your terrorist role model committed.
Go to iraq and find your truck, faggot
>>70899030
One step at a time.
>>70899030
Capability and intent and intelligence.
Think of that average nigra in Chicago.
If he could wipe out his rival gangs he would. That is intent. He doesn't have the capability or intelligence.
>>70899095
And they didn't have the internet back the. Damn near impossible to build a bomb to do that much damage
>>70899194
Why Impossible?
Could you scale a rock face or icefall if gave you rope?
>>70899069
im sure that is what your superiors told you so you would go kill for them.
>we have badges so killing is not immoral
whatever it takes to keep the ptsd at bay huh?
>>70899194
Millennial lazy ass mentality wasn't as prevalent.
>>70899194
They had gun shows with lots of Vietnam vets selling hand-printed manuals detailing explosives.
These are still prevalent today if you look in the right corners of a gun show.
>>70893874
No. But its certainly not what they told you. McVeigh was taking action against the corrupt government.
Any innocent lives lost were collateral damage.
>>70899615
Do you know what collateral damage is?
>>70899754
Yeah, it's Obama drone striking kids.
>>70899591
I kinda want to go to a gun show. Is it all used stuff with a bunch of fat angry people everywhere?
>>70899825
lol
>>70899837
just go and find out
safer than a day in obama's hometown
DESU, Im glad those faggots got killed in Waco
>On August 5, 1989, Howell released the "New Light" audio tape, in which he stated he had been told by God to procreate with the women in the group to establish a "House of David" of his "special people". This involved separating married couples in the group and agreeing that only he could have sexual relations with the wives, while the men should observe celibacy.[15][16] He also claimed that God had told him to start building an "Army for God" to prepare for the end of days and a salvation for his followers.[16] Howell filed a petition in the Supreme Court of California on May 15, 1990, to legally change his name "for publicity and business purposes" to David Koresh; on August 28, he was granted the petition.[17] By 1992, most of the land belonging to the group had been sold except for a core 77 acres (31 ha). Most of the buildings had been removed or were being salvaged for construction materials to convert much of the main chapel and a tall water tank into apartments for the resident members of the group. Many of the members of the group had been involved with the Davidians for a few generations, and many had large families.[18]
>>70899825
brown kids
Witnesses at McVeighs execution say that his heart was still beating when they declared him dead.
>>70899959
Thats a power level if I ever saw one. Rest in peace Great White Bull.
>>70896099
Do you have any links or anything talking about those points you made? Genuinely curious. This kind of stuff always is pretty fascinating.
